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(ABC News)   Paul Ryan: "I did not ask for stimulus money." "What about these papers requesting stimulus money?" "Oooooh, THAT stimulus money. I thought you said 'syllabus honey'"   (abcnews.go.com ) divider line
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2012-08-17 01:11:20 AM  
8 votes:

MeinRS6: Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system, I'm not sure how much confidence you need to have in him in the first place.


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His Constitutional obligations as President of the Senate notwithstanding, the lesson of recent years is that the Vice-President has as much power as the President wants him/her to have. So I don't find your evaluation comforting. At a minimum he has the power to shoot a man in the face with a shotgun and then make the guy apologize for being shot. I'd wager that's quite a feat. Any evaluation of a President must include the one person in the entire world s/he has picked to stand in if necessary.
2012-08-17 12:13:32 AM  
8 votes:
At some point, these cats have got to realize that records ARE actually kept.

Romney seems to have difficulty in understanding that words aren't just deleted when he can't see them any longer. What is astounding is that these folks have convinced themselves that everyone has goldfish-like memories, and to be fair, there are some in the media who seem bound and determined to prove exactly that--and to be fairer, they are paid to keep their memories somewhat fluid when it comes to inconvenient facts--and Ryan appears to be infected with the same malady...

In the end, it shows a disrespect for their electorate, and the people that they want to represent. Or rather, that they say that they want to represent. The interests that they actually represent do have keen memories, but at this point, they have to bring out the bread and circuses to at least appear like they have more interests at heart...
2012-08-17 01:26:16 AM  
6 votes:
After repeated denials, Paul Ryan has admitted he requested stimulus cash even after sharply criticizing the program

so...he requested stimulus money, KNEW he requested stimulus money even though it went against his Ayn Randian beliefs. Then he gets up in front of everyone and says that 'stimulus money is bad'. However...that's not enough. When called out on his using stimulus money...he denies it. KNOWING that accurate records are kept as to who asks for those funds and how much gets paid out. Not until someone rubs his gotdamn nose in it does Ryan finally admit that yeah, he took stimulus cash and was apparently quite happy to do so.

This is how Romney/Ryan would govern this country.
2012-08-17 12:15:05 AM  
6 votes:
Subby, if you were reading a food critic's article, and he was talking about how bad the food was at such-and-such restaurant, and then you came to find out that he had never even been in that restaurant but was only critiquing it one what he'd head, would you trust his critique?

No, of course you wouldn't. I can tell, because from your headline I see you're a smart person.

So let me ask you this: if a man who wanted to fix America and thought that the Stimulus was bad didn't at least try the Stimulus out before he decided against it -- I mean sample its flavors and swish its body around on his tongue, kick the tires and take it out for a bit of a test drive to see what it could really do -- would you have any reason to trust his analysis?

Of course not. And you're welcome.
2012-08-16 11:44:36 PM  
6 votes:

Bontesla: The article layout is terrible. . . which is sad . . . because this is awesome.


Here is a much more readable version from ABC's 'Political Punch.'
2012-08-17 04:55:24 AM  
4 votes:

johnnyrocket: Why is this election even close?



Because i247.photobucket.com
2012-08-16 10:47:41 PM  
4 votes:

MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.


Because of the usual Republican hypocrisy? Sounds good.
2012-08-16 10:18:18 PM  
4 votes:
Two years ago, during an interview on WBZ's NewsRadio he was asked by a caller if he "accepted any money" into his district. Ryan said he did not. . . "I'm not one [of those] people who votes for something then writes to the government to ask them to send us money. I did not request any stimulus money," the congressman answered.

In 2009, Ryan wrote to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis asking for stimulus money to cover costs on two energy conservation projects in his home state of Wisconsin. In the letter, Ryan said the funds would help create jobs and reduce "energy consumption" in the state. At least one of the companies received the requested cash.


The article layout is terrible. . . which is sad . . . because this is awesome.
2012-08-17 08:12:00 AM  
3 votes:

MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.


You know how I know you don't understand this meme?!??
2012-08-17 08:04:45 AM  
3 votes:

foo monkey: You have to be a moron to think the bag of shiat Obama was handed could be fixed in four years. When he was elected, we were in two wars and the economy was free-falling into the shiatter. We were losing 600k jobs per month. Now we're out of Iraq and on a timeline to leave Afghanistan. Unemployment is down. We are gaining back jobs. Things are better.


"But Fox News says we're in the worst economy since FDR!"

Anytime I try to explain how things are getting better since Obama came into office, and inherited all the debt Bush II created (the majority of the deficit 'created' under Obama was from Bush's last budget, that greatly increased spending with no way to pay for it) to my Conservative coworkers and family, they always pull out some propaganda they heard from Rush or Fox News, which is complete bull. Show them facts, and they try to change the subject back to GOP talking points, or worse yet, go full Derp and start blathering about how he isn't really President anyway.

For example, one coworker of mine has made it his life's goal to make me a Republican. While talking one day about how Obama is the absolute worst President ever, and has destroyed our economy, I stopped him and asked a simple question: "Are you better off than you were four years ago?"

He looked shocked, as we both knew this was an old Republican slogan, and he also knew I knew the answer to that question. Of course he was. He had gone from working as a Federal Corrections Officer to doing Corporate Security at a major Healthcare corporation, and while his income was not much more than before, his benefits were much better. He was putting all of his kids through private school, owns his own home, his wife doesn't have to work to make ends meet, and just bought a new truck for himself.

Nevertheless, this guy tries to tell me he was barely getting by now (not true), had worse healthcare (not true), and it was all Obama's fault! I just shook my head, and he left the room. On the upside, he hasn't tried to convert me to Derpism since that exchange.
2012-08-17 12:15:44 AM  
3 votes:
Paul Ryan, Ron Paul. Different names, same hypocrisy.
2012-08-17 12:13:51 AM  
3 votes:
"If Congressman Ryan is asked to help a Wisconsin entity applying for existing Federal grant funds, he does not believe flawed policy should get in the way of doing his job and providing a legitimate constituent service to his employers," the spokesman told the Milwaukee (Wisc.) Journal Sentinel.

That's fine. So.. don't lie about it? Consider the possibility of not lying about it? How does not lying about it strike you?
2012-08-17 07:42:37 AM  
2 votes:

foo monkey: You have to be a moron to think the bag of shiat Obama was handed could be fixed in four years. When he was elected, we were in two wars and the economy was free-falling into the shiatter. We were losing 600k jobs per month. Now we're out of Iraq and on a timeline to leave Afghanistan. Unemployment is down. We are gaining back jobs. Things are better.


Which is why I hope he's re-elected. Think of what he could accomplish with a neutered and humiliated Republican party.
2012-08-17 07:33:01 AM  
2 votes:

hubiestubert: At some point, these cats have got to realize that records ARE actually kept.

Romney seems to have difficulty in understanding that words aren't just deleted when he can't see them any longer. What is astounding is that these folks have convinced themselves that everyone has goldfish-like memories, and to be fair, there are some in the media who seem bound and determined to prove exactly that--and to be fairer, they are paid to keep their memories somewhat fluid when it comes to inconvenient facts--and Ryan appears to be infected with the same malady...

In the end, it shows a disrespect for their electorate, and the people that they want to represent. Or rather, that they say that they want to represent. The interests that they actually represent do have keen memories, but at this point, they have to bring out the bread and circuses to at least appear like they have more interests at heart...


THIS.

Personally, I believe that Romney/Ryan aren't worried about their "inconsistencies" because they know that FOX News will never bring this up. Stupid premise though. The kind of voter that they need to attract doesn't just watch FOX News. However, I will say that FOX News has driven their base so cuckoo that these people are actually dangerous. The changes that have taken place in most people's lives have nothing to do with Obama, however, faithful FOX viewers have become so indoctrinated with "Obama, the secret Kenyan Muslim Socialist Man" that they have spent their last couple of years raising their blood pressure over nonexistent propaganda. It is really sad. And scary.
2012-08-17 07:18:02 AM  
2 votes:

Rev. Creflo Baller: One of the two reasons he gave for requesting the money was that it would "create jobs."

But I thought you said government stimulus doesn't work, Mr. Lyan?


Dozens of Republicans made the same false claims in public, but said the opposite in private. They KNOW that stimulus works, and lie about it.
2012-08-17 07:17:20 AM  
2 votes:

hubiestubert: At some point, these cats have got to realize that records ARE actually kept.


Meh. Doesn't matter.

Republican voters don't care about accuracy, or truth, or reality even. They care about ideology.
2012-08-17 07:15:28 AM  
2 votes:
One of the two reasons he gave for requesting the money was that it would "create jobs."

But I thought you said government stimulus doesn't work, Mr. Lyan?
2012-08-17 04:33:23 AM  
2 votes:
Why is this election even close?
2012-08-17 03:08:16 AM  
2 votes:
I like how MeinRS6 is pretending like no VP has ever become president or had any influence over the policies of the executive branch. Here's a free tip man: When your entire argument hinges on completely ignoring history you might want to shut the fark up.
2012-08-17 02:19:39 AM  
2 votes:

MeinRS6: VP Ryan isn't going to shape the budget or pass a budget. He isn't going to add or decrease funds to Medicare or Obamacare. He's going to do what Romney tells him to do. And Romney is half-a-lib, so I don't see the big concern from the left about Ryan. It's good politics to go after the guy, but in the end the VP job still isn't worth a bucket of warm spit. What has Biden done besides be a jackass?


Sure, but VP Ryan is just one medical emergency away from becoming P Ryan. So yeah, it's worth noting what he believes, and what he'd be likely to do if such an emergency took place.
2012-08-17 12:12:10 AM  
2 votes:

MeinRS6: Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system


Inaccurate.

MeinRS6: Anyway, my comment was more about how this won't change a single vote.


Probably accurate.

MeinRS6: Does anyone know if Ryan wants to put you people back in chains if he becomes VP? I need the official position if available.


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Chains cost money.
2012-08-16 11:49:59 PM  
2 votes:

MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.


Usually stating one political position while engaging in another suggests a lack of confidence in the stated position and desire to sacrifice stated principles for short-term personal gain. If Paul Ryan isn't confident and consistent in his own stated position on economic issues, as a voter how can I be confident in him?
2012-08-16 11:05:33 PM  
2 votes:

MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.


Well, let's see...I'm not a billionaire, so, yes! I will vote Democrat!
2012-08-16 10:51:12 PM  
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: "The stimulus didn't stimulate the economy"? Is that from the Retard School of Economics?


Which then begs the question: if they didn't work, if he knew they weren't going to work, why didn't the budget hawk reject them?
2012-08-18 12:55:09 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: Good point. Take a few aspirin and go to bed now.


Tomorrow he'll be sober but you'll still be the guy defending a liar.
2012-08-17 12:50:52 PM  
1 vote:
Probably not, it probably was all Cheney. But Bush rubber stamped it all and history will blame him for all of it, as it should be. I don't know enough about Ryan to know whether this would be a similar situation but Romney isn't exactly known for standing by his convictions. Or even having any convictions.

It's not just Ryan, it's the entire cadre of Bush/Cheney advisers that are currently employed by the Romney campaign. I have no reason to doubt that those interests (along with Rove, Koch brothers, Adelson, etc) would own Romney's presidency outright.

All Romney cares about is the job title. He has no interest in setting policy or making decisions on his own.
2012-08-17 12:50:10 PM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: Somacandra: MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.

Usually stating one political position while engaging in another suggests a lack of confidence in the stated position and desire to sacrifice stated principles for short-term personal gain. If Paul Ryan isn't confident and consistent in his own stated position on economic issues, as a voter how can I be confident in him?

Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system, I'm not sure how much confidence you need to have in him in the first place. I guess you need to have confidence that he can make it thru a state funeral without any big disasters. If Biden can do it, I'm pretty sure that anyone can.

Anyway, my comment was more about how this won't change a single vote.

Does anyone know if Ryan wants to put you people back in chains if he becomes VP? I need the official position if available.


You do realize people like Biden right? He is significantly more open an honest than most politicians. On top of that he is not caught in one hypocrisy after another like the boys you are in bed with.
2012-08-17 11:31:17 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: Wow. I've really been turned around on the importance of the VP slot by all of your super persuasive comments.

What's funny is that the some people that are talking about how important the job is are also comfortable with Joe farking Biden filling the position. That's brilliant.


What's funny is that Republicans were comfortable with Sarah farking Palin filling the position. That's brilliant.
2012-08-17 11:11:55 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: Wow. I've really been turned around on the importance of the VP slot by all of your super persuasive comments.

What's funny is that the some people that are talking about how important the job is are also comfortable with Joe farking Biden filling the position. That's brilliant.


On his dumbest day on the dumbest month of the dumbest year while simultaneously sleeping and suffering from brain hemmorhages Joe Biden is still smarter than every single farkwit in the entire GOP.

But I appreciate your genuine concern.
2012-08-17 09:31:27 AM  
1 vote:

Cythraul: Christian? I guess I'm being a bit prejudiced here, but if 'Christian' was an important term in defining who I am, wouldn't I most likely vote Republican?


That's what I don't get. Many people think that.

However, when I read about what Jesus said, and then compare the parties I can not understand why Christians don't flock to the democratic party.

The Democrats want to help the poor and the sick. The consistently try to help the less fortunate against the wishes of the GOP.

The GOP pays lip service to some religious issues (gheys are icky, no abortions, "family values"), but that's all they do. They have not moved the ball forward on these issues, and in other areas they are anti Christian (pro war, against helping the poor, the sick, immigrants, etc.)

I was raised Catholic and went through 12+ years of CCD and I feel like democrats are closer to what we learned in those classes.

If I am missing something, let me know.

To me, it seems the skill the GOP has the most is convincing people to vote against their own self interests.
2012-08-17 09:29:52 AM  
1 vote:

Cythraul: Christian? I guess I'm being a bit prejudiced here, but if 'Christian' was an important term in defining who I am, wouldn't I most likely vote Republican?


Well it depends. Do you actually believe what Jesus Christ said in the Gospels about humbly supporting the weakest in society and rejecting the material comforts of the world?
2012-08-17 09:29:27 AM  
1 vote:

Cythraul: Christian? I guess I'm being a bit prejudiced here, but if 'Christian' was an important term in defining who I am, wouldn't I most likely vote Republican?


I think he meant "Christian" as "follower of Christ" not the GOP-approved "cherry pick the parts I like, ignore the rest" kind.
2012-08-17 09:16:53 AM  
1 vote:

Cythraul: MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.

I'm gay, so I have to vote Democrat.


You're on to a potential meme here

I'm ____________ so I have to vote democrat

Gay
female
pro separation of church and state
for helping poor and unfortunate people
christian
not christian
a father of girls
a minority
an immigrant
concerned about corporate power over government
concerned about income disparity
sane
etc....
2012-08-17 08:53:36 AM  
1 vote:

Headso: NateGrey: MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.

I think a lot of people will, thanks for the suggestion though!

[rove.com image 694x519]

it would be interesting to see that same map from 2008, 2004, 2000, to see how the demographics have changed.


One thing that is interesting is how pinkish Texas looks now.
2012-08-17 08:32:26 AM  
1 vote:

czei: Car_Ramrod: MeinRS6: What has Biden done besides be a jackass?

Biden delivers emotional speech to families of fallen troops


Jeez, the comments on the speech to the families of fallen troops are incredible. Biden's daughter and wife both died and somehow they think Biden is using their deaths for political gain.


they're ghouls, what do you expect?
2012-08-17 08:26:39 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.


I think a lot of people will, thanks for the suggestion though!

rove.com
2012-08-17 08:10:48 AM  
1 vote:

johnnyrocket: Why is this election even close?



IT'S NOT

The media keeps calling it close to drive ratings and keep you watching. If you look at electoral college votes it is nowhere near as close as we are told daily on TV news.
2012-08-17 07:36:42 AM  
1 vote:
You have to be a moron to think the bag of shiat Obama was handed could be fixed in four years. When he was elected, we were in two wars and the economy was free-falling into the shiatter. We were losing 600k jobs per month. Now we're out of Iraq and on a timeline to leave Afghanistan. Unemployment is down. We are gaining back jobs. Things are better.
2012-08-17 07:15:23 AM  
1 vote:
All I know is that my 401k tanked during the second term of GW but this year alon I have made almost 10% on my investments (which isn't great compared to professionals) but that's a damn site better than what it did under George the Lesser. Had we not done anything about the economy, I have no doubt that it would have gone down farther, possibly losing all value. I'll stick with Obama/Biden over Romney/Ryan even though there are a lot of things that I disagree with him on.

Yeah, "I got mine biatch". Suck it GOP loving shills
2012-08-17 07:12:59 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.


Oh we will. For a dozen reasons besides this one.
2012-08-17 07:04:23 AM  
1 vote:
I can see why RMoney likes this clown...
2012-08-17 06:47:52 AM  
1 vote:
Paul Lyin'.
2012-08-17 06:38:40 AM  
1 vote:

GAT_00: Which then begs the question


Would you please stop misusing this term?
2012-08-17 06:28:39 AM  
1 vote:


MeinRS6
:
So vote Democrat.

MeinRS6: Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system
MeinRS6: Ryan can play the role of dufus

You sound tired.
2012-08-17 05:43:30 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6:
Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system, I'm not sure how much confidence you need to have in him in the first place.


Lol thats your best defence of him? Never mind he is a lying shiathead and a moron, he wont have the keys?
2012-08-17 05:30:15 AM  
1 vote:
stillisstillmoving.com
2012-08-17 03:19:39 AM  
1 vote:
This is the same type of guy who howls about the evils of Teh Ghey while banging guys in his spare time, or rants about abortion even though his college GF got one, thus saving his future political career. I seriously doubt this will be the last sad/hilarious revelation we hear about Paul Ryan.
2012-08-17 02:51:02 AM  
1 vote:
These are the type of people who always say: "The government shouldn't interfere with the free market" while sending lobbyists to Washington to interfere in the free market.
2012-08-17 02:46:42 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.


In this case... Yes.
2012-08-17 02:32:16 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: What has Biden done besides be a jackass?


Biden delivers emotional speech to families of fallen troops

W.H.: Joe Biden forced President Obama's hand on gay marriage

And that was just within 3 weeks. Biden is a badass.
2012-08-17 02:18:23 AM  
1 vote:

hammettman: I guess it didn't take long for Ryan to fully assimilate into the Romney "Foot in Mouth" campaign mode.


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2012-08-17 02:02:12 AM  
1 vote:
All this and only 5 days in.

Those Republicans who are saying that Obama should replace Biden should probably be begging Romney to replace Ryan instead.
2012-08-17 01:51:06 AM  
1 vote:
... and the Derpists on the Right will lap up whatever Romney/Ryan tell them, because obviously they aren't a bunch of liars and scumbags. No, the only "scumbags and liars" here are the Left and the media, who call Romney/Ryan out on their lies.

I hate people sometimes.
2012-08-17 01:01:42 AM  
1 vote:
McCain called it. Bold pick. Just like Palin.
2012-08-17 12:50:58 AM  
1 vote:

RexTalionis: "After having these letters called to my attention I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled," Ryan said in a statement. "This is why I didn't recall the letters earlier. But they should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that.

Have you noticed that when asked about his earlier request, Ryan didn't take responsibility for telling an untruth, but rather he took responsibility for actually making the requests in the first place?


What I noticed was that he didn't know what the fark was going on in his office with respect to a major political topic in which he was a key player.
2012-08-17 12:40:11 AM  
1 vote:

Relatively Obscure: doyner: Unless, of course, he's one of those veeps that ascends to the presidency, which happens 20% of the time.

Dick Cheney cast 8 votes in the Senate.


And there's that too. So, yeah, the VP is relevant.
2012-08-17 12:38:06 AM  
1 vote:

doyner: Unless, of course, he's one of those veeps that ascends to the presidency, which happens 20% of the time.


Dick Cheney cast 8 votes in the Senate.
2012-08-17 12:30:37 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: Does anyone know if Ryan wants to put you people back in chains if he becomes VP? I need the official position if available.


I remember how upset you were when Santorum made a similar "chains" comment. You, the NRO, all the right wing blogs. None of you could believe Santorum would make such a comment.
2012-08-17 12:27:31 AM  
1 vote:
"The initial policy of monetary and fiscal stimulus really made a huge difference," she told me. "I would tattoo that on my forehead. The output decline we had was peanuts compared to the output decline we would otherwise have had in a crisis like this. That isn't fully appreciated."
2012-08-17 12:26:11 AM  
1 vote:

Relatively Obscure: MeinRS6: Relatively Obscure: MeinRS6: Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system

Inaccurate.

A VP does as he is told. Ya know, warm bucket of spit and all that.

Maybe. A VP still does something sometimes. It ain't much, overall, maybe. But the office has functions. Therefore, "doesn't do anything" is inaccurate. Neener.


VPs are fungible. That's Palin.

When Biden makes a gaffe, I'm not concerned about nuclear war.
2012-08-17 12:21:25 AM  
1 vote:

Pocket Ninja: Subby, if you were reading a food critic's article, and he was talking about how bad the food was at such-and-such restaurant, and then you came to find out that he had never even been in that restaurant but was only critiquing it one what he'd head, would you trust his critique?

No, of course you wouldn't. I can tell, because from your headline I see you're a smart person.

So let me ask you this: if a man who wanted to fix America and thought that the Stimulus was bad didn't at least try the Stimulus out before he decided against it -- I mean sample its flavors and swish its body around on his tongue, kick the tires and take it out for a bit of a test drive to see what it could really do -- would you have any reason to trust his analysis?

Of course not. And you're welcome.


The same argument can be used for the WWE.

You would never call a ballet fake just because it had a script, would you?
2012-08-17 12:17:06 AM  
1 vote:

Relatively Obscure: "If Congressman Ryan is asked to help a Wisconsin entity applying for existing Federal grant funds, he does not believe flawed policy should get in the way of doing his job and providing a legitimate constituent service to his employers," the spokesman told the Milwaukee (Wisc.) Journal Sentinel.

That's fine. So.. don't lie about it? Consider the possibility of not lying about it? How does not lying about it strike you?


He's a Republican. Why don't you ask him to not breathe the air? It would be easier for him.
2012-08-17 12:10:56 AM  
1 vote:

Somacandra: Bontesla: The article layout is terrible. . . which is sad . . . because this is awesome.

Here is a much more readable version from ABC's 'Political Punch.'


From your link:
"After having these letters called to my attention I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled," Ryan said in a statement. "This is why I didn't recall the letters earlier. But they should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that.
"Regardless, it's clear that the Obama stimulus did nothing to stimulate the economy, and now the President is asking to do it all over again."


So, he only asked the federal government for money because some of his constituents wanted money. Is he saying that if anyone in his district had written to him asking for a federal handout, he would've gotten it for them?

And as GAT_00: says:
if they didn't work, if he knew they weren't going to work, why didn't the budget hawk reject them?
2012-08-16 11:49:07 PM  
1 vote:
Didn't he also vote for the bank bailouts?


Quasar: Lionel Mandrake: MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.

Well, let's see...I'm not a billionaire, so, yes! I will vote Democrat!

But I might be one day so I won't!

 

i49.tinypic.com
2012-08-16 11:33:22 PM  
1 vote:

Lionel Mandrake: MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.

Well, let's see...I'm not a billionaire, so, yes! I will vote Democrat!


But I might be one day so I won't!
2012-08-16 10:42:56 PM  
1 vote:
"The stimulus didn't stimulate the economy"? Is that from the Retard School of Economics?
 
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