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(ABC)   Paul Ryan: "I did not ask for stimulus money." "What about these papers requesting stimulus money?" "Oooooh, THAT stimulus money. I thought you said 'syllabus honey'"   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 306
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2012-08-16 10:18:18 PM
Two years ago, during an interview on WBZ's NewsRadio he was asked by a caller if he "accepted any money" into his district. Ryan said he did not. . . "I'm not one [of those] people who votes for something then writes to the government to ask them to send us money. I did not request any stimulus money," the congressman answered.

In 2009, Ryan wrote to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis asking for stimulus money to cover costs on two energy conservation projects in his home state of Wisconsin. In the letter, Ryan said the funds would help create jobs and reduce "energy consumption" in the state. At least one of the companies received the requested cash.


The article layout is terrible. . . which is sad . . . because this is awesome.
 
2012-08-16 10:22:23 PM
So vote Democrat.
 
2012-08-16 10:42:56 PM
"The stimulus didn't stimulate the economy"? Is that from the Retard School of Economics?
 
2012-08-16 10:43:34 PM
Hey girl...
 
2012-08-16 10:47:41 PM

MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.


Because of the usual Republican hypocrisy? Sounds good.
 
2012-08-16 10:51:12 PM

Marcus Aurelius: "The stimulus didn't stimulate the economy"? Is that from the Retard School of Economics?


Which then begs the question: if they didn't work, if he knew they weren't going to work, why didn't the budget hawk reject them?
 
2012-08-16 10:54:59 PM

MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.


With your permission, sir.
 
2012-08-16 11:05:33 PM

MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.


Well, let's see...I'm not a billionaire, so, yes! I will vote Democrat!
 
2012-08-16 11:33:22 PM

Lionel Mandrake: MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.

Well, let's see...I'm not a billionaire, so, yes! I will vote Democrat!


But I might be one day so I won't!
 
2012-08-16 11:44:36 PM

Bontesla: The article layout is terrible. . . which is sad . . . because this is awesome.


Here is a much more readable version from ABC's 'Political Punch.'
 
2012-08-16 11:49:07 PM
Didn't he also vote for the bank bailouts?


Quasar: Lionel Mandrake: MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.

Well, let's see...I'm not a billionaire, so, yes! I will vote Democrat!

But I might be one day so I won't!

 

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2012-08-16 11:49:59 PM

MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.


Usually stating one political position while engaging in another suggests a lack of confidence in the stated position and desire to sacrifice stated principles for short-term personal gain. If Paul Ryan isn't confident and consistent in his own stated position on economic issues, as a voter how can I be confident in him?
 
2012-08-16 11:52:20 PM
Is it just me or is this set of GOP candidates even more insane than the set from 2008??
Could we have a run off election between the sets?
 
2012-08-17 12:01:17 AM
Maddow rerun on it RIGHT NOW.
 
2012-08-17 12:04:41 AM

Somacandra: MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.

Usually stating one political position while engaging in another suggests a lack of confidence in the stated position and desire to sacrifice stated principles for short-term personal gain. If Paul Ryan isn't confident and consistent in his own stated position on economic issues, as a voter how can I be confident in him?


Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system, I'm not sure how much confidence you need to have in him in the first place. I guess you need to have confidence that he can make it thru a state funeral without any big disasters. If Biden can do it, I'm pretty sure that anyone can.

Anyway, my comment was more about how this won't change a single vote.

Does anyone know if Ryan wants to put you people back in chains if he becomes VP? I need the official position if available.
 
2012-08-17 12:10:56 AM

Somacandra: Bontesla: The article layout is terrible. . . which is sad . . . because this is awesome.

Here is a much more readable version from ABC's 'Political Punch.'


From your link:
"After having these letters called to my attention I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled," Ryan said in a statement. "This is why I didn't recall the letters earlier. But they should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that.
"Regardless, it's clear that the Obama stimulus did nothing to stimulate the economy, and now the President is asking to do it all over again."


So, he only asked the federal government for money because some of his constituents wanted money. Is he saying that if anyone in his district had written to him asking for a federal handout, he would've gotten it for them?

And as GAT_00: says:
if they didn't work, if he knew they weren't going to work, why didn't the budget hawk reject them?
 
2012-08-17 12:12:02 AM

MeinRS6: you people


Please acknowledge Mrs. Romney, whom you are quoting.
 
2012-08-17 12:12:10 AM

MeinRS6: Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system


Inaccurate.

MeinRS6: Anyway, my comment was more about how this won't change a single vote.


Probably accurate.

MeinRS6: Does anyone know if Ryan wants to put you people back in chains if he becomes VP? I need the official position if available.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Chains cost money.
 
2012-08-17 12:13:32 AM
At some point, these cats have got to realize that records ARE actually kept.

Romney seems to have difficulty in understanding that words aren't just deleted when he can't see them any longer. What is astounding is that these folks have convinced themselves that everyone has goldfish-like memories, and to be fair, there are some in the media who seem bound and determined to prove exactly that--and to be fairer, they are paid to keep their memories somewhat fluid when it comes to inconvenient facts--and Ryan appears to be infected with the same malady...

In the end, it shows a disrespect for their electorate, and the people that they want to represent. Or rather, that they say that they want to represent. The interests that they actually represent do have keen memories, but at this point, they have to bring out the bread and circuses to at least appear like they have more interests at heart...
 
2012-08-17 12:13:51 AM
"If Congressman Ryan is asked to help a Wisconsin entity applying for existing Federal grant funds, he does not believe flawed policy should get in the way of doing his job and providing a legitimate constituent service to his employers," the spokesman told the Milwaukee (Wisc.) Journal Sentinel.

That's fine. So.. don't lie about it? Consider the possibility of not lying about it? How does not lying about it strike you?
 
2012-08-17 12:15:05 AM
Subby, if you were reading a food critic's article, and he was talking about how bad the food was at such-and-such restaurant, and then you came to find out that he had never even been in that restaurant but was only critiquing it one what he'd head, would you trust his critique?

No, of course you wouldn't. I can tell, because from your headline I see you're a smart person.

So let me ask you this: if a man who wanted to fix America and thought that the Stimulus was bad didn't at least try the Stimulus out before he decided against it -- I mean sample its flavors and swish its body around on his tongue, kick the tires and take it out for a bit of a test drive to see what it could really do -- would you have any reason to trust his analysis?

Of course not. And you're welcome.
 
2012-08-17 12:15:44 AM
Paul Ryan, Ron Paul. Different names, same hypocrisy.
 
2012-08-17 12:17:06 AM

Relatively Obscure: "If Congressman Ryan is asked to help a Wisconsin entity applying for existing Federal grant funds, he does not believe flawed policy should get in the way of doing his job and providing a legitimate constituent service to his employers," the spokesman told the Milwaukee (Wisc.) Journal Sentinel.

That's fine. So.. don't lie about it? Consider the possibility of not lying about it? How does not lying about it strike you?


He's a Republican. Why don't you ask him to not breathe the air? It would be easier for him.
 
2012-08-17 12:18:05 AM

Relatively Obscure: MeinRS6: Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system

Inaccurate.


A VP does as he is told. Ya know, warm bucket of spit and all that.

MeinRS6: Anyway, my comment was more about how this won't change a single vote.

Probably accurate.


Ah, sweet agreement.
 
2012-08-17 12:20:36 AM

MeinRS6: Relatively Obscure: MeinRS6: Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system

Inaccurate.

A VP does as he is told. Ya know, warm bucket of spit and all that.


Maybe. A VP still does something sometimes. It ain't much, overall, maybe. But the office has functions. Therefore, "doesn't do anything" is inaccurate. Neener.
 
2012-08-17 12:21:25 AM

Pocket Ninja: Subby, if you were reading a food critic's article, and he was talking about how bad the food was at such-and-such restaurant, and then you came to find out that he had never even been in that restaurant but was only critiquing it one what he'd head, would you trust his critique?

No, of course you wouldn't. I can tell, because from your headline I see you're a smart person.

So let me ask you this: if a man who wanted to fix America and thought that the Stimulus was bad didn't at least try the Stimulus out before he decided against it -- I mean sample its flavors and swish its body around on his tongue, kick the tires and take it out for a bit of a test drive to see what it could really do -- would you have any reason to trust his analysis?

Of course not. And you're welcome.


The same argument can be used for the WWE.

You would never call a ballet fake just because it had a script, would you?
 
2012-08-17 12:26:11 AM

Relatively Obscure: MeinRS6: Relatively Obscure: MeinRS6: Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system

Inaccurate.

A VP does as he is told. Ya know, warm bucket of spit and all that.

Maybe. A VP still does something sometimes. It ain't much, overall, maybe. But the office has functions. Therefore, "doesn't do anything" is inaccurate. Neener.


VPs are fungible. That's Palin.

When Biden makes a gaffe, I'm not concerned about nuclear war.
 
2012-08-17 12:27:31 AM
"The initial policy of monetary and fiscal stimulus really made a huge difference," she told me. "I would tattoo that on my forehead. The output decline we had was peanuts compared to the output decline we would otherwise have had in a crisis like this. That isn't fully appreciated."
 
2012-08-17 12:30:37 AM

MeinRS6: Does anyone know if Ryan wants to put you people back in chains if he becomes VP? I need the official position if available.


I remember how upset you were when Santorum made a similar "chains" comment. You, the NRO, all the right wing blogs. None of you could believe Santorum would make such a comment.
 
2012-08-17 12:35:40 AM
So this whole "but... but... the VP doesn't do anything!" logic is basically: Vote Ryan, he brings nothing to the ticket!
 
2012-08-17 12:35:43 AM

MeinRS6: Relatively Obscure: MeinRS6: Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system

Inaccurate.

A VP does as he is told. Ya know, warm bucket of spit and all that.


Unless, of course, he's one of those veeps that ascends to the presidency, which happens 20% of the time.
 
2012-08-17 12:38:06 AM

doyner: Unless, of course, he's one of those veeps that ascends to the presidency, which happens 20% of the time.


Dick Cheney cast 8 votes in the Senate.
 
2012-08-17 12:40:11 AM

Relatively Obscure: doyner: Unless, of course, he's one of those veeps that ascends to the presidency, which happens 20% of the time.

Dick Cheney cast 8 votes in the Senate.


And there's that too. So, yeah, the VP is relevant.
 
2012-08-17 12:42:11 AM
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GIS for syllabus honey

/i would ask for one too....
 
2012-08-17 12:48:49 AM
"After having these letters called to my attention I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled," Ryan said in a statement. "This is why I didn't recall the letters earlier. But they should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that.

Have you noticed that when asked about his earlier request, Ryan didn't take responsibility for telling an untruth, but rather he took responsibility for actually making the requests in the first place?
 
2012-08-17 12:50:58 AM

RexTalionis: "After having these letters called to my attention I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled," Ryan said in a statement. "This is why I didn't recall the letters earlier. But they should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that.

Have you noticed that when asked about his earlier request, Ryan didn't take responsibility for telling an untruth, but rather he took responsibility for actually making the requests in the first place?


What I noticed was that he didn't know what the fark was going on in his office with respect to a major political topic in which he was a key player.
 
2012-08-17 12:52:17 AM

MeinRS6: Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system, I'm not sure how much confidence you need to have in him in the first place. I guess you need to have confidence that he can make it thru a state funeral without any big disasters. If Biden can do it, I'm pretty sure that anyone can.

Anyway, my comment was more about how this won't change a single vote.


This election is close enough that he may cast a tie-breaker or 10 in the Senate if elected, but in that case he's really just gonna vote the way he's instructed, but in a indirect manner it could count assuming those results
 
2012-08-17 01:01:42 AM
McCain called it. Bold pick. Just like Palin.
 
2012-08-17 01:03:49 AM

doyner: Relatively Obscure: doyner: Unless, of course, he's one of those veeps that ascends to the presidency, which happens 20% of the time.

Dick Cheney cast 8 votes in the Senate.

And there's that too. So, yeah, the VP is relevant.


Right, but he cast the votes the way the president told him to. That's what a VP does. It wasn't ever up in the air if Cheney was going to vote with the Dems. However, he would have if instructed to do so.

VP Ryan isn't going to shape the budget or pass a budget. He isn't going to add or decrease funds to Medicare or Obamacare. He's going to do what Romney tells him to do. And Romney is half-a-lib, so I don't see the big concern from the left about Ryan. It's good politics to go after the guy, but in the end the VP job still isn't worth a bucket of warm spit. What has Biden done besides be a jackass?
 
2012-08-17 01:10:11 AM

fusillade762: Didn't he also vote for the bank bailouts?


Quasar: Lionel Mandrake: MeinRS6: So vote Democrat.

Well, let's see...I'm not a billionaire, so, yes! I will vote Democrat!

But I might be one day so I won't! 

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Yeah, that was the best line in a long time.


//something something sucking the government tit
 
2012-08-17 01:11:20 AM

MeinRS6: Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system, I'm not sure how much confidence you need to have in him in the first place.


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His Constitutional obligations as President of the Senate notwithstanding, the lesson of recent years is that the Vice-President has as much power as the President wants him/her to have. So I don't find your evaluation comforting. At a minimum he has the power to shoot a man in the face with a shotgun and then make the guy apologize for being shot. I'd wager that's quite a feat. Any evaluation of a President must include the one person in the entire world s/he has picked to stand in if necessary.
 
2012-08-17 01:25:32 AM
Cheney may have been the most important VP in history, but that was due to his many years/jobs in DC and the wars that started in those years. If it had been 8yrs of peacetime, Cheney would have given a bunch of speeches and gone to funerals too.

Ryan is smart, but he hasn't done all of the things that Cheney had done when he became VP. Not by a long shot. With Biden we have gone back to having the VP slot for a dufus, just like Gore under Clinton. Would Ryan reverse that trend and be some kind of power player in a Romney administration? I would look at history for what the most likely answer to that question is.
 
2012-08-17 01:26:16 AM
After repeated denials, Paul Ryan has admitted he requested stimulus cash even after sharply criticizing the program

so...he requested stimulus money, KNEW he requested stimulus money even though it went against his Ayn Randian beliefs. Then he gets up in front of everyone and says that 'stimulus money is bad'. However...that's not enough. When called out on his using stimulus money...he denies it. KNOWING that accurate records are kept as to who asks for those funds and how much gets paid out. Not until someone rubs his gotdamn nose in it does Ryan finally admit that yeah, he took stimulus cash and was apparently quite happy to do so.

This is how Romney/Ryan would govern this country.
 
2012-08-17 01:30:21 AM

Weaver95: After repeated denials, Paul Ryan has admitted he requested stimulus cash even after sharply criticizing the program

so...he requested stimulus money, KNEW he requested stimulus money even though it went against his Ayn Randian beliefs. Then he gets up in front of everyone and says that 'stimulus money is bad'. However...that's not enough. When called out on his using stimulus money...he denies it. KNOWING that accurate records are kept as to who asks for those funds and how much gets paid out. Not until someone rubs his gotdamn nose in it does Ryan finally admit that yeah, he took stimulus cash and was apparently quite happy to do so.

This is how Romney/Ryan would govern this country.


And he criticizes Obama for $700 million reduction in Medicare while simultaneously including the same cuts in his own budget and then justifies it by saying, "Well, the President did it first."

Romney/Ryan 2012: No Tag-Backs
 
2012-08-17 01:47:24 AM

Somacandra: MeinRS6: Since the VP doesn't do anything in our system, I'm not sure how much confidence you need to have in him in the first place.

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His Constitutional obligations as President of the Senate notwithstanding, the lesson of recent years is that the Vice-President has as much power as the President wants him/her to have. So I don't find your evaluation comforting. At a minimum he has the power to shoot a man in the face with a shotgun and then make the guy apologize for being shot. I'd wager that's quite a feat. Any evaluation of a President must include the one person in the entire world s/he has picked to stand in if necessary.


My god, it must have been incredibly painful for Cheney to hold that smile for a full 2-3 seconds... poor guy
 
2012-08-17 01:51:06 AM
... and the Derpists on the Right will lap up whatever Romney/Ryan tell them, because obviously they aren't a bunch of liars and scumbags. No, the only "scumbags and liars" here are the Left and the media, who call Romney/Ryan out on their lies.

I hate people sometimes.
 
2012-08-17 01:57:16 AM
I guess it didn't take long for Ryan to fully assimilate into the Romney "Foot in Mouth" campaign mode.
 
2012-08-17 01:58:05 AM
 
2012-08-17 02:02:12 AM
All this and only 5 days in.

Those Republicans who are saying that Obama should replace Biden should probably be begging Romney to replace Ryan instead.
 
2012-08-17 02:03:44 AM

MeinRS6: Would Ryan reverse that trend and be some kind of power player in a Romney administration? I would look at history for what the most likely answer to that question is.


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