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2012-08-16 05:54:18 PM  
I think I remember reading that the easiest way to game the system is through absentee ballots. Interesting. Glad they caught it.
 
2012-08-16 06:01:46 PM  
Galvin said an employee in the town clerk's office allegedly changed the party affiliation of hundreds of registered voters from Democrat to Republican without their knowledge, and then cast absentee ballots on their behalf.

So...treason? This is at attempted coup d'etat.

Take him out back and shoot him.
 
2012-08-16 06:02:42 PM  
Voter ID would have prevented this...
 
2012-08-16 06:03:23 PM  
well... i'm shocked. shocked, i tell you.
 
2012-08-16 06:06:50 PM  

NowhereMon: Voter ID would have prevented this...


As an election monitor, let me tell you how your full of shiat.

An absentee ballot is mailed in or dropped off at some point before the election, and it gets manually processed through the machine. At the end of the night, when all the other ballots are automatically tallied by the machine, the absentee ballots are then hand counted.

This is why in a tight presidential race, you'll hear that they won't know an outcome right away, because three octogenarians (and me) are hand counting the ballots.

You don't need a voter ID to mail something.
 
2012-08-16 06:09:46 PM  

what_now: As an election monitor, let me tell you how your full of shiat.


I'm sure he was being facetious.
 
2012-08-16 06:10:01 PM  

what_now: NowhereMon: Voter ID would have prevented this...

As an election monitor, let me tell you how your full of shiat.

An absentee ballot is mailed in or dropped off at some point before the election, and it gets manually processed through the machine. At the end of the night, when all the other ballots are automatically tallied by the machine, the absentee ballots are then hand counted.

This is why in a tight presidential race, you'll hear that they won't know an outcome right away, because three octogenarians (and me) are hand counting the ballots.

You don't need a voter ID to mail something.


I think your sarcasm meter needs an adjustment.
 
2012-08-16 06:11:13 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: what_now: As an election monitor, let me tell you how your full of shiat.

I'm sure he was being facetious.


It is election season, tension is running high.
 
2012-08-16 06:24:03 PM  
Siiigh. Someone take this fish hook out of my lip?
 
2012-08-16 06:24:34 PM  
Hey look, Republicans trying to steal an election. AGAIN.
 
2012-08-16 06:32:15 PM  

what_now: Siiigh. Someone take this fish hook out of my lip?


Poe's Law in full effect, y'all.
 
2012-08-16 06:40:00 PM  
Why is it the GOP biatches about voter fraud the most AND they are the ones who commit voter fraud the most?
 
2012-08-16 06:41:53 PM  
...We were able to go into the central user registry and document what appeared to be unusual irregular activity," he said.

Is that as opposed to the usual irregular activity?

/that's some fine police work there, Lou
 
2012-08-16 06:44:04 PM  

cretinbob: Why is it the GOP biatches about voter fraud the most AND they are the ones who commit voter fraud the most?


They most fear what they already are.
 
2012-08-16 06:47:32 PM  
This is still electoral fraud not voter fraud.
 
2012-08-16 07:00:16 PM  

cretinbob: Why is it the GOP biatches about voter fraud the most AND they are the ones who commit voter fraud the most?


rsp.pca.org
 
2012-08-16 07:35:19 PM  

cretinbob: Why is it the GOP biatches about voter fraud the most AND they are the ones who commit voter fraud the most?


ooh! ooh! i know! because they're deeply evil subhuman scum that represent the greatest threat this country, or indeed the planet, has ever faced!

what do i win?
 
2012-08-16 07:53:17 PM  

what_now: Galvin said an employee in the town clerk's office allegedly changed the party affiliation of hundreds of registered voters from Democrat to Republican without their knowledge, and then cast absentee ballots on their behalf.

So...treason? This is at attempted coup d'etat.

Take him out back and shoot him.


fark that. Take him out front and shoot him.
 
2012-08-16 08:25:20 PM  

Tigger: This is still electoral fraud not voter fraud.


So you have people change someone's political affiliation, that same person then gets an absentee ballot and fills it out as that other person, that same said person then sends in the ballot.....and you don't see this as voter fraud. WTF is your bright line rule that marks voter fraud?? I would love to know your wacko definition of voter fraud that doesn't involve someone impersonating a valid voter to cast a a vote.
 
2012-08-16 09:04:00 PM  

mauricecano: Tigger: This is still electoral fraud not voter fraud.

So you have people change someone's political affiliation, that same person then gets an absentee ballot and fills it out as that other person, that same said person then sends in the ballot.....and you don't see this as voter fraud. WTF is your bright line rule that marks voter fraud?? I would love to know your wacko definition of voter fraud that doesn't involve someone impersonating a valid voter to cast a a vote.


I think the difference he was pointing out is that this was a single election worker cheating, not rank and file voters misrepresenting who they were or whether they were eligible.

I'm not certain the actual definitions he was trying to use really mean that. But that's the gist of what he was saying.
 
2012-08-17 10:14:15 PM  

Tigger: This is still electoral fraud not voter fraud.


^ the above
 
2012-08-18 10:08:01 AM  
Oh, is this finally going green now?
 
2012-08-18 10:09:47 AM  
Wait, what? I've been informed by reliable news sources, most of whom rhyme with rock blues that Voter and/or electoral fraud is perpetrated by dark complected people who vote Democrat. Clearly, this must be some sort of mistake or error More likely it is a plant committed by Sekert Muslin Soshalists!
 
2012-08-18 10:39:03 AM  
Fraudster a 'bagger or establishment GOP?
 
2012-08-18 11:15:29 AM  

Krieghund: mauricecano: Tigger: This is still electoral fraud not voter fraud.

So you have people change someone's political affiliation, that same person then gets an absentee ballot and fills it out as that other person, that same said person then sends in the ballot.....and you don't see this as voter fraud. WTF is your bright line rule that marks voter fraud?? I would love to know your wacko definition of voter fraud that doesn't involve someone impersonating a valid voter to cast a a vote.

I think the difference he was pointing out is that this was a single election worker cheating, not rank and file voters misrepresenting who they were or whether they were eligible..


I can agree to that. I wonder which one is more dangerous, by many orders of magnitude, to the election process.
 
2012-08-18 11:35:20 AM  
This is exactly why we should prevent poor people from voting.
 
2012-08-18 11:39:25 AM  

GAT_00: Hey look, Republicans trying to steal an election. AGAIN.


GOP 2012

Because Democracy is too important to leave up to the Voters

 
2012-08-18 11:41:59 AM  

what_now: NowhereMon: Voter ID would have prevented this...

As an election monitor, let me tell you how your full of shiat.


How can we have a democracy, when our very own election monitors cannot tell which votes are cast ironically?
 
2012-08-18 11:42:32 AM  
ksdanj: fark that. Take him out front and shoot him.

At the very least, a serious goddamn prison sentence, with a lot of publicity that shows how we treat people who pull stunts like this.
 
2012-08-18 11:42:43 AM  

NowhereMon: Voter IDConcealed carry would have prevented this...

 
2012-08-18 11:42:52 AM  
What an interesting case study.

The effect of voter fraud, where an invalid voter would assume a legit voter's identity at the precinct, always seemed to pale in comparison to something like this. In order to influence an election at the same rate that this clerk attempted to do, it would take hundreds of invalid voters to work together and steal ballots from voters who had not yet signed in at their polling place, with no picking a name that has already been used and triggering a red flag. That's a combination of collusion and luck that you can't take seriously.

Yet, many states are pushing for voter ID laws and not trying to enforce the principle of least privilege, which would ensure safeguards against one person being able to pull this kind of fraud.
 
2012-08-18 11:42:56 AM  
If the GOP is trying to steal the Presidential race by voter fraud, they would be smarter to try in a swing state like Florida rather than an almost guaranteed Obama state like Mass.
 
2012-08-18 11:43:15 AM  

cretinbob: Why is it the GOP biatches about voter fraud the most AND they are the ones who commit voter fraud the most?


You will note that most of the time, the right protests exactly what they embrace. Also, most of their groups have ironic lying names.
 
2012-08-18 11:44:16 AM  
I really hope the GOP continues to spend inordinate amounts of time, energy, and money combatting an almost non-existent problem.

Yes, really.
 
2012-08-18 11:45:24 AM  

cretinbob: Why is it the GOP biatches about voter fraud the most AND they are the ones who commit voter fraud the most?


Wrong. They biatch about voter fraud to distract from them committing ELECTORAL fraud.

Republicans are scum. I wish the GOP would just farking collapse already so a new party can show up and we can have a *chance* of returning to a sane political system.
 
2012-08-18 11:46:31 AM  

what_now: Siiigh. Someone take this fish hook out of my lip?


It was good though. I liked the passion.

/happened to me during the Walker recalls a few times
//damn Poe's Law
 
2012-08-18 11:47:25 AM  
NowhereMon: Voter ID would have prevented this...

As an election monitor, let me tell you how your full of shiat.

An absentee ballot is mailed in or dropped off at some point before the election, and it gets manually processed through the machine. At the end of the night, when all the other ballots are automatically tallied by the machine, the absentee ballots are then hand counted.

This is why in a tight presidential race, you'll hear that they won't know an outcome right away, because three octogenarians (and me) are hand counting the ballots.

You don't need a voter ID to mail something.

And thus we set up a blackmarket for absentee ballots!
 
2012-08-18 11:47:27 AM  
How about a hero tag for the people who caught it?

Or a dumbass tag for the people who tried it?
 
2012-08-18 11:48:48 AM  

farkityfarker: If the GOP is trying to steal the Presidential race by voter fraud, they would be smarter to try in a swing state like Florida rather than an almost guaranteed Obama state like Mass.


It wasn't for the presidential race - it was for a tightly-contested state legislature seat.

And agreed with some of the above - this needs to be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent. And do the same to any Democrat who pulls a stunt like this. America simply can't afford to disenfranchise more voters.
 
2012-08-18 11:49:01 AM  
By committing voter fraud themselves, repubs establish that it is a serious problem. Then they can use that as an excuse to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Democratic voters in order to prevent voter fraud.

I am a Massachusetts residents but I'm lazy, so I'll ask here: any idea what kind of jail time this guys is facing for this crime? We're talking hundreds of violations here. Hundred of years of jail time? Thousands? Just curious.
 
2012-08-18 11:49:48 AM  

MFAWG: I really hope the GOP continues to spend inordinate amounts of time, energy, and money combatting an almost non-existent problem.

Yes, really.


Well, they did just pass a voter ID law in PA which would prevent up to 43% of Philadelphia registered voters from voting. So keep on hopin'.
 
2012-08-18 11:50:24 AM  

2wolves: cretinbob: Why is it the GOP biatches about voter fraud the most AND they are the ones who commit voter fraud the most?

They most fear what they already are.


I still think that they just really like to biatch about stuff. So they create situations that give them reason to biatch
 
2012-08-18 11:51:21 AM  
Oops. that wasn't too hard. Five years in jail and a $10,000 fine. Not sure if that's per offense, though.
 
2012-08-18 11:55:58 AM  

what_now: NowhereMon: Voter ID would have prevented this...

As an election monitor, let me tell you how your full of shiat.

An absentee ballot is mailed in or dropped off at some point before the election, and it gets manually processed through the machine. At the end of the night, when all the other ballots are automatically tallied by the machine, the absentee ballots are then hand counted.

This is why in a tight presidential race, you'll hear that they won't know an outcome right away, because three octogenarians (and me) are hand counting the ballots.

You don't need a voter ID to mail something.


Yikes. I came here to make this exact same joke. Glad someone beat me to it.
 
2012-08-18 11:56:21 AM  
Systematic voter fraud deserves the death penalty.

People died for the right to vote... those that seek to take it should have their lives forfeit.
 
2012-08-18 11:58:01 AM  

cretinbob: Why is it the GOP biatches about voter fraud the most AND they are the ones who commit voter fraud the most?


The same reason they rail against the gheys, then take wide stances in airport restrooms?
 
2012-08-18 11:59:28 AM  
Galvin said an employee in the town clerk's office allegedly changed the party affiliation of hundreds of registered voters from Democrat to Republican without their knowledge, and then cast absentee ballots on their behalf.

"There was effort here to steal voters' identities by enrolling them in different political parties and then applying for absentee ballots for them. This is like identity theft in a financial context. This is just as bad if not worse because people are trying to steal an election. The objective here was to cast fraudulent ballots. That's pretty extreme," he said.


But hey, it's not like they're actually attempting a military coup yet. Jesus Christ, how apocalyptic and crazy has it gotten over there on the right that they can justify doing things like this to themselves?

If you're willing to sacrifice the thing you love to protect it, you're doing it wrong. If you have to silence a lot of voices in order to restore your "freedom" and "honor" and "way of life" -- how threatened must you be by the future?

The shape of the world is changing, and they think suppressing the vote is going to change it? Again, maybe I'm just a pessimist here, but my sense is that our democracy is so thoroughly corrupted that even truly good people are compelled to accept bribes from the extremely wealthy, and so protect their interest.

Public financing of elections might address this issue; but at any rate until the situation is dramatically changed, our ostensible democracy will continue its slow dissolution by capital.

This is a symptom of two things to me: first as a sign of that erosion reaching a certain psychic and social threshold, which perhaps amounts to a dangerous turning point in moral degeneracy and decay of the major parties. The other -- as less than nothing, one of many instances so far of various efforts to suppress the minority vote, which has been America's "truest" creed for so long it can seem contrarian and wicked to recount the sad history. How ugly and melancholy all this violence against the weak, the least seems to me today, at this late hour in history; what tragic and resentful passions must be involved to wish yet again to destroy their capacity for action...

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2012-08-18 11:59:29 AM  
Just wait until you see what the Party of War Jesus has built in Ohio.
 
2012-08-18 11:59:31 AM  
All I could find was that the candidate was endorsed at one time by Scott Brown and a comment said his girlfriend committed the fraud, for what that's worth.
 
2012-08-18 11:59:57 AM  
I am surprised we did not see--But, But Acorn!
 
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