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2012-08-16 03:30:51 PM
Watching the team fall to shiat like this has been beyond entertaining. That being said, anyone who thinks getting rid of Valentine is going to fix their problems is dreaming. The FO is FUBAR, and they could stand to get rid of about half the team. They ran Francona out of town, who was the ultimate player's manager, and they can't play for Bobby V either, who is the exact opposite. WTF, are they Goldilocks?

The whole team should be nuked from orbit.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-08-16 03:34:05 PM
F*ck the Red Sox and f*ck Boston.

Francona wins 2 WS rings, and because he lets his players eat chicken and drink beer, he's suddenly the worst person in the history of the Red Sox organization.

The team sucks. No one is to blame but the players. Do you honestly think Bobby V is telling his players how to swing the bat? Or how to pitch? They suck. End of story.

I swear, too much attention is given to a sub-500 baseball team and a backup QB in NY. Knock if off.
 
2012-08-16 03:38:31 PM

Coco LaFemme: The whole team should be nuked from orbit.


It should have been nuked after last season.

The problem is they have too much money tied up in bad contracts (Lackey and Beckett, still willing to give Crawford time) and a terrible club house culture. I dont think chemistry necessarily makes a good team but a lack of chemistry can kill a team. The franchise is mentally all over the place.
 
2012-08-16 03:41:18 PM
No use firing him now, the season is toast.  Let him ride it out.
 
2012-08-16 04:02:39 PM

MBK: F*ck the Red Sox and f*ck Boston.

Francona wins 2 WS rings, and because he lets his players eat chicken and drink beer, he's suddenly the worst person in the history of the Red Sox organization.

The team sucks. No one is to blame but the players. Do you honestly think Bobby V is telling his players how to swing the bat? Or how to pitch? They suck. End of story.

I swear, too much attention is given to a sub-500 baseball team and a backup QB in NY. Knock if off.


I don't think he let them, in so much as they stopped respecting him. When you don't respect anyone, regardless of what they tell you to do or not do, you're not going to listen. Professional athletes should know knocking back beers and eating fried chicken in the clubhouse isn't smart, especially during a game, and they shouldn't have to be told that. However, Francona lost the clubhouse, and as is the FO's wont when someone is out the door, they painted him as a philanderer and a drug addict after he left.

This shiat makes the Yankees under Billy Martin look tame.
 
2012-08-16 04:09:31 PM
I'm enjoying this. The only thing I don't like is that sports radio during the summer is boring when you don't care about the team anymore.

Oh well, thank god for podcasts and increasingly easy ways to listen to them on the run.
 
2012-08-16 04:10:18 PM

Coco LaFemme: Professional athletes should know knocking back beers and eating fried chicken in the clubhouse isn't smart, especially during a game



Never quite understood the outrage here.  Ok, this is assuming they weren't drunk.  But a beer to relax when you're not playing... who cares.  There's 162 games, each like 2.5 hours.  I don't expect players not in the game to pay attention to every single pitch.
 
Also, its at night... they're hungry.
 
2012-08-16 04:34:44 PM

downstairs: Coco LaFemme: Professional athletes should know knocking back beers and eating fried chicken in the clubhouse isn't smart, especially during a game


Never quite understood the outrage here.  Ok, this is assuming they weren't drunk.  But a beer to relax when you're not playing... who cares.  There's 162 games, each like 2.5 hours.  I don't expect players not in the game to pay attention to every single pitch.
 
Also, its at night... they're hungry.


Coupling it with the pitching staff has a "dont question me, my shiat dont stink" attitude towards everyone leaves a sour taste in people mouths.
 
2012-08-16 05:04:36 PM

downstairs: Coco LaFemme: Professional athletes should know knocking back beers and eating fried chicken in the clubhouse isn't smart, especially during a game

Never quite understood the outrage here.  Ok, this is assuming they weren't drunk.  But a beer to relax when you're not playing... who cares.  There's 162 games, each like 2.5 hours.  I don't expect players not in the game to pay attention to every single pitch.
 
Also, its at night... they're hungry.


If you can't spend roughly 3 hrs at your job without needing a drink, you have a problem. I don't care if you're a baseball player or an accountant. When you're on the clock, put the booze down. Drink after the game. Same with eating. A Powerbar or some granola in the dugout is one thing, farking KFC is something else. I'm not even a Red Sox fan, but it's inherently disrespectful to your teammates to be sitting in the clubhouse during the game, drinking beer and eating fast food. It just smacks of not giving a shiat, and I don't like that. Not to mention, some of these players started suffering from poor conditioning as a result, so they were no longer effective in games they desperately needed to win. Both Josh Beckett and Jon Lester gained quite a bit of weight as the season went on, and their endurance dropped a ton. Their shiatty attitude and shiatty physical upkeep cost their team games, and it's still costing them games this season.  That has nothing to do with the manager, or the general manager, or even the owners. That's on them, and no amount of managerial shell game is going to change that. You could put Connie Mack in that clubhouse and the same shiat would still go on.

I feel bad for Red Sox fans who paid money for season tickets to see this shiat. If the Yankees were playing like this, and had gone through all that melodrama in the off-season, I'd be embarrassed.
 
2012-08-16 05:17:44 PM

Coco LaFemme: I feel bad for Red Sox fans who paid money for season tickets to see this shiat. If the Yankees were playing like this, and had gone through all that melodrama in the off-season, I'd be embarrassed.


We are coming up on a full season of sub five hundred, drama filled baseball with this team. There are some real culture issues.
 
2012-08-16 05:18:55 PM

Coco LaFemme: If you can't spend roughly 3 hrs at your job without needing a drink, you have a problem. I don't care if you're a baseball player or an accountant. When you're on the clock, put the booze down.



I'm a computer programmer at work with a beer right now ;)
 
Ok, I see what you mean with the rest of the stuff.  And coupled with the collapse, I guess I would feel the same if it were my White Sox.
 
2012-08-16 05:26:44 PM
As a Braves fan, I cannot sufficiently express the deep, heartfelt gratitude I have for the Boston Red Sox last year and their dramatic, historic collapse that insured the Braves collapse was only the second worst in MLB history, and made sure that ESPN obsessively talked about Boston's collapse while relegating the Braves collapse to an afterthought.
 
2012-08-16 05:55:15 PM
Well, this is playing out exactly like everyone predicted at the start of the year.
 
2012-08-16 06:01:44 PM

GAT_00: Well, this is playing out exactly like everyone predicted at the start of the year.


Haha. Sad but true.
 
2012-08-16 06:19:51 PM
If there was even a dust speck of integrity or respect for the game left, each of those players on the 'team' for Boston should be either run out of baseball, or every subsequent manager should make their pansy-ass life a living hell.
 
2012-08-16 07:10:56 PM

generalDisdain: If there was even a dust speck of integrity or respect for the game left, each of those players on the 'team' for Boston should be either run out of baseball, or every subsequent manager should make their pansy-ass life a living hell.


See, they already have a manager who is making their pansy-ass lives a living hell, and rather than dealing with it, they're whining to the GM about him. Last month there was a meeting at a hotel in NY that apparently 17 members of the team attended, where they basically biatched and moaned about Valentine's style of managing, and how they don't respect him, blah blah blah. What'll happen is, the FO will fire Bobby in the off-season and the hunt for a new manager will begin again, and I guarantee the next guy will be walked all over just like the last two. Part of the problem is that basically, he was set up to fail from the start. Cherington didn't want him, but the ownership did, and went over his head. Then, they wouldn't let Valentine hire his own staff, so he was stuck with coaches who didn't like him, players who didn't like him, and a GM that didn't like him....what were they expecting? I don't know if they're going to finish above .500 this year.

The last player I had any respect for that wore the Red Sox uni was Tim Wakefield, and he retired. All those assholes can get bent.
 
2012-08-16 07:22:10 PM
They have bad players. Nobody could win with that team.

Boston fans are second only to Philly fans for moronitude.
 
2012-08-16 07:22:38 PM

Coco LaFemme: generalDisdain: If there was even a dust speck of integrity or respect for the game left, each of those players on the 'team' for Boston should be either run out of baseball, or every subsequent manager should make their pansy-ass life a living hell.

See, they already have a manager who is making their pansy-ass lives a living hell


Yes, I know. My point being that baseball players are supposed to police themselves.
All the players around the league should be telling them to STFU and stop whining.
 
2012-08-16 07:23:39 PM

MBK: I swear, too much attention is given to a sub-500 baseball team and a backup QB in NY. Knock if off.


It's almost as if the Eastern Sports Programming Network has a location bias or something...
 
2012-08-16 07:25:33 PM
Is it just me or does it seem like people involved in the MLB are always biatching, crying, and complaining? STFU and play ball you babies.
 
2012-08-16 07:45:15 PM

Coco LaFemme: See, they already have a manager who is making their pansy-ass lives a living hell, and rather than dealing with it, they're whining to the GM about him. Last month there was a meeting at a hotel in NY that apparently 17 members of the team attended, where they basically biatched and moaned about Valentine's style of managing, and how they don't respect him, blah blah blah. What'll happen is, the FO will fire Bobby in the off-season and the hunt for a new manager will begin again, and I guarantee the next guy will be walked all over just like the last two. Part of the problem is that basically, he was set up to fail from the start. Cherington didn't want him, but the ownership did, and went over his head. Then, they wouldn't let Valentine hire his own staff, so he was stuck with coaches who didn't like him, players who didn't like him, and a GM that didn't like him....what were they expecting? I don't know if they're going to finish above .500 this year.


The whole organization is farked up right now. Successful organizations move in lock step from the owners on down to ball boy. The Sox are getting tripped up at the head of the line. The players going to biatch to upper management out the skipper? Complete crap. They were upset because he left Lester in to give up 11 runs. Is Bobby supposed to kill his pen because Lester cant get out of the third?

I watched a game a few weeks ago where Lester was pitching great until he started arguing balls and strikes. Every pitch he had a problem with was a ball. The players are entitled and lack the mental toughness required of a successful baseball team. It is a long season and all this drama is taking away from the teams focus.

The organization is unlikable from top to bottom. I try to close my eyes and root for the laundry. Cant just ship with the rest of pink hat blaming rats.
 
2012-08-16 07:49:56 PM

Nabb1: As a Braves St. Louis Cardinals fan, I cannot sufficiently express the deep, heartfelt gratitude I have for the Boston Red Sox Atlanta Braves last year and their dramatic, historic collapse. that insured the Braves collapse was only the second worst in MLB history, and made sure that ESPN obsessively talked about Boston's collapse while relegating the Braves collapse to an afterthought.

 
2012-08-16 07:52:12 PM

jaylectricity: I'm enjoying this. The only thing I don't like is that sports radio during the summer is boring when you don't care about the team anymore.

Oh well, thank god for podcasts and increasingly easy ways to listen to them on the run.


This. I haven't listened to the Sports Hub since the Bruins lost, and probably won't until the Pats start.

Baseball and basketball talk is extremely boring, even when the teams are doing well.
 
2012-08-16 07:54:07 PM

fatalvenom: basketball talk is extremely boring, even when the teams are doing wel


The hosts do not follow basketball. This was made evident when the Bruins lost and they were forced to try to add commentary. They went from not talking about the NBA to being authorities on the schemes.

Stick to hockey, football, and baseball you assholes.
 
2012-08-16 08:05:02 PM
Let this be a lesson to other ownership & upper management in sports; If you treat the local media as your own personal PR firm, and create and float whatever stories you wish in order to help justify whichever decisions you feel you need to make, the players will eventually get fed up and start to do things with the expressed intent of utilizing the media against you and your decisions in order to exert their own control, and might take a more interested role in exacting such then actually, you know, winning games.

Blame (aside from ownership and the players) should probably be put on Boston's already over-saturated media presence. As long as I present myself as "somewhat credible", I can whisper in a journalist's ear that Dustin Pedroia had sex with his dog last night, and you will have umpteen gajillion local newspapers, radio and television stations, bloggers, you name it, clamoring to out-cover and out-report on Pedroia's supposed beastiality. Since it's that f*cking easy to create a story in that town, who the f*ck is going to stop it?
 
2012-08-16 08:06:10 PM
I sincerely appreciate the Boston Red Sox. Their players, their management, and their front office. Without the efforts of that group, the Orioles might not be in the position they are today.

8-3 versus the Sox so far and looking to be 9-3 by the end of today. It is certainly more than I could have hoped for at the start of this season.
 
2012-08-16 08:06:23 PM
Boston should bring back Curt Shilling and have him run things. He turned around a World Series and he knows how to run a business
 
2012-08-16 08:08:02 PM
Bobby V is a bit of a prick. But this shiat ain't his fault. Boston tears are enjoyable, surpassed only by Yankee tears.
 
2012-08-16 08:08:20 PM

Gunny Highway: Coco LaFemme: See, they already have a manager who is making their pansy-ass lives a living hell, and rather than dealing with it, they're whining to the GM about him. Last month there was a meeting at a hotel in NY that apparently 17 members of the team attended, where they basically biatched and moaned about Valentine's style of managing, and how they don't respect him, blah blah blah. What'll happen is, the FO will fire Bobby in the off-season and the hunt for a new manager will begin again, and I guarantee the next guy will be walked all over just like the last two. Part of the problem is that basically, he was set up to fail from the start. Cherington didn't want him, but the ownership did, and went over his head. Then, they wouldn't let Valentine hire his own staff, so he was stuck with coaches who didn't like him, players who didn't like him, and a GM that didn't like him....what were they expecting? I don't know if they're going to finish above .500 this year.

The whole organization is farked up right now. Successful organizations move in lock step from the owners on down to ball boy. The Sox are getting tripped up at the head of the line. The players going to biatch to upper management out the skipper? Complete crap. They were upset because he left Lester in to give up 11 runs. Is Bobby supposed to kill his pen because Lester cant get out of the third?

I watched a game a few weeks ago where Lester was pitching great until he started arguing balls and strikes. Every pitch he had a problem with was a ball. The players are entitled and lack the mental toughness required of a successful baseball team. It is a long season and all this drama is taking away from the teams focus.

The organization is unlikable from top to bottom. I try to close my eyes and root for the laundry. Cant just ship with the rest of pink hat blaming rats.


The rationale behind the Lester move, from the players' standpoint, was that he did it to embarrass or humiliate him, not to save the pen. Also, Lester gave up 5 runs in the 1st inning, 4 runs in the 2nd inning, and then had two scoreless innings in a row. Yeah, 9 runs sucks, but your offense should be able to bail out your starter once in a while. You can understand Valentine wanting to leave Lester in there in the hopes the offense could scrape together enough runs to make it a game, but if he'd pulled him after the 2nd inning, would that have greatly affected the outcome? As poorly as they've been playing, no.

If the Red Sox really want to make some vast improvements, they need to pay attention to how Brian Cashman got the Yankees' front office and ownership under control. They don't always get it right, but at least it's not a giant Benny Hill sketch with everyone running around in double-time with their pants around their ankles and Yakety Sax in the background.
 
2012-08-16 08:08:42 PM
Great headline. That's pretty much what i thought when he got the public vote of confidence from his boss. Has anyone ever gotten that and not been fired within a couple weeks? Wade Phillips in Dallas is the longest i can think of and he lasted about a month.
 
2012-08-16 08:12:12 PM
Sox are boned, man. Everyone in Boston has either turned on them or gotten over their hatred for the players & owners & their just apathetic now. Even the pinks are catching on that they're not cool & it's not an event. Mainly because they're impossible to cheer to cheer for and that started last September & things just keeping worse & worse. I'm not even talkin about their record. Just the whole culture of the organization. They're are just so many assholes in the organization from top to bottom. The whole freakin thing needs to blown up. And if the Sox owners think that the team is such an important part of the fabric of Boston culture...well, they need to wake the F up & ask the Bruins what happens when players & especially owners piss off an entire city. The Red Sox as they are right now are an f'n joke & it's going to take more than Bobby V to fix. Indefensible douchebags. At least this summer had the Olympics. Next year is when it'll really sink in. A new manager isn't going to change Pedroia, Beckett, Lackey, Gonz, Lester, Ortiz, & every other toxic jackoff on that team. Tough shiat for us.
 
2012-08-16 08:13:48 PM
Sorry, typed the above on an iPhone. Didn't reread the changes it did to the text. Whatevs. You get the message. It sucks to be a Sox fan ATM.
 
2012-08-16 08:21:35 PM

MBTAhole: A new manager isn't going to change Pedroia, Beckett, Lackey, Gonz, Lester, Ortiz, & every other toxic jackoff on that team. Tough shiat for us.


This is what I'd love to see happen.

John Henry gets everyone in a room when the season is over and tells them that Valentine's been fired. Once the whooping and cheering subside, he tells them Dustin Pedroia has been traded to Kansas City. Then he tells them the next person who wants to act like a whiny little biatch and disrespect their manager, can join him. I chose Pedroia because he's the "captain" of the team, and apparently well-liked by everyone (on the team, that is), so his departure would be more of a kick in the nads than say, trading Beckett.....though that needs to happen.
 
2012-08-16 08:29:15 PM

MBK: F*ck the Red Sox and f*ck Boston.

Francona wins 2 WS rings, and because he lets his players eat chicken and drink beer, he's suddenly the worst person in the history of the Red Sox organization.

The team sucks. No one is to blame but the players. Do you honestly think Bobby V is telling his players how to swing the bat? Or how to pitch? They suck. End of story.

I swear, too much attention is given to a sub-500 baseball team and a backup QB in NY. Knock if off.

Bitter much?
 
2012-08-16 08:30:18 PM

Coco LaFemme: trading Beckett.....though that needs to happen.


I agree. I don't think anyone really likes him anyway. He's just another asshole among assholes who've united against a common enemy. What the players didn't count on was that not only are they sucking but they've almost (not entirely) but almost turned Bobby V into a sympathetic character. Pedroia totally destroyed his image and the good will he had here. There's so many things to point to but I think the main reasons why fans have moved on is because ownership dragged Tito through the mud on his way out. Sure, they do it every time a player goes, and fans were even getting fed up with that, but then they did it Tito and even if fans were ready to move on we didn't want it in the disgusting fashion that it happened. On top of that you have the endless parade of other bullshiat.
 
2012-08-16 08:30:22 PM

Coco LaFemme: downstairs: Coco LaFemme: Professional athletes should know knocking back beers and eating fried chicken in the clubhouse isn't smart, especially during a game

Never quite understood the outrage here.  Ok, this is assuming they weren't drunk.  But a beer to relax when you're not playing... who cares.  There's 162 games, each like 2.5 hours.  I don't expect players not in the game to pay attention to every single pitch.
 
Also, its at night... they're hungry.

If you can't spend roughly 3 hrs at your job without needing a drink, you have a problem. I don't care if you're a baseball player or an accountant. When you're on the clock, put the booze down. Drink after the game. Same with eating. A Powerbar or some granola in the dugout is one thing, farking KFC is something else. I'm not even a Red Sox fan, but it's inherently disrespectful to your teammates to be sitting in the clubhouse during the game, drinking beer and eating fast food. It just smacks of not giving a shiat, and I don't like that. Not to mention, some of these players started suffering from poor conditioning as a result, so they were no longer effective in games they desperately needed to win. Both Josh Beckett and Jon Lester gained quite a bit of weight as the season went on, and their endurance dropped a ton. Their shiatty attitude and shiatty physical upkeep cost their team games, and it's still costing them games this season.  That has nothing to do with the manager, or the general manager, or even the owners. That's on them, and no amount of managerial shell game is going to change that. You could put Connie Mack in that clubhouse and the same shiat would still go on.

I feel bad for Red Sox fans who paid money for season tickets to see this shiat. If the Yankees were playing like this, and had gone through all that melodrama in the off-season, I'd be embarrassed.


Obviously not a New England-er. We are used to that crap.
 
2012-08-16 08:39:01 PM

Coco LaFemme: John Henry gets everyone in a room when the season is over and tells them that Valentine's been fired. Once the whooping and cheering subside, he tells them Dustin Pedroia has been traded to Kansas City. Then he tells them the next person who wants to act like a whiny little biatch and disrespect their manager, can join him. I chose Pedroia because he's the "captain" of the team, and apparently well-liked by everyone (on the team, that is), so his departure would be more of a kick in the nads than say, trading Beckett.....though that needs to happen.


I just like the idea of openly treating the Royals like Siberia, lol.
 
2012-08-16 08:50:08 PM

robsul82: Coco LaFemme: John Henry gets everyone in a room when the season is over and tells them that Valentine's been fired. Once the whooping and cheering subside, he tells them Dustin Pedroia has been traded to Kansas City. Then he tells them the next person who wants to act like a whiny little biatch and disrespect their manager, can join him. I chose Pedroia because he's the "captain" of the team, and apparently well-liked by everyone (on the team, that is), so his departure would be more of a kick in the nads than say, trading Beckett.....though that needs to happen.

I just like the idea of openly treating the Royals like Siberia, lol.


They could always do the Indians a solid for using them as farm team in the past.
 
2012-08-16 08:53:15 PM

robsul82: Coco LaFemme: John Henry gets everyone in a room when the season is over and tells them that Valentine's been fired. Once the whooping and cheering subside, he tells them Dustin Pedroia has been traded to Kansas City. Then he tells them the next person who wants to act like a whiny little biatch and disrespect their manager, can join him. I chose Pedroia because he's the "captain" of the team, and apparently well-liked by everyone (on the team, that is), so his departure would be more of a kick in the nads than say, trading Beckett.....though that needs to happen.

I just like the idea of openly treating the Royals like Siberia, lol.


Hell I'd be thrilled if they traded half the team with KC. Hell keep paying the contracts if you have to and pick up some young guys from KC and Houston that don't cost as much. At least they'd be enthusiastic and willing to run once in a while.
 
2012-08-16 08:56:35 PM
What a depressing thread. Valentine's a jackass, many of the players suck, the FO is clueless/in over their heads, yadayadayada.

Say g'bye to Ellsbury. WTF would he stay for?
 
2012-08-16 08:57:29 PM

Gunny Highway: They were upset because he left Lester in to give up 11 runs. Is Bobby supposed to kill his pen because Lester cant get out of the third?


And from what I understand, Lester himself didn't have a problem with it. Bobby told him that he might have to just take one for the team and finish some innings.
 
2012-08-16 08:57:45 PM

Lunchlady: Hell I'd be thrilled if they traded half the team with KC.


As a Sox fan, I especially would not mind if KC had a massive brainfart and gave us the likes of Hosmer, Gordon, Moustakas, etc and a f*ckton of propects to help us start over.

Seriously, KC, you need to win now. Your fan base deserves it. I think Nick Punto will add "grit" and "intensity" and "intangibles" that Escobar just doesn't have yet. Let's swap.
 
2012-08-16 08:58:36 PM
This is America, not Colombia. He'll survive through the season. He might not have to manage the baseball team, but he'll probably live through it.
 
2012-08-16 09:21:01 PM

Killer Cars: Lunchlady: Hell I'd be thrilled if they traded half the team with KC.

As a Sox fan, I especially would not mind if KC had a massive brainfart and gave us the likes of Hosmer, Gordon, Moustakas, etc and a f*ckton of propects to help us start over.

Seriously, KC, you need to win now. Your fan base deserves it. I think Nick Punto will add "grit" and "intensity" and "intangibles" that Escobar just doesn't have yet. Let's swap.


I just want the season to end. Whomever gets jettisoned will be currency towards not quite sucking so much next year. The locker room needs to be cleaned. Eat another year of mediocre performance.

Bye bye Ortiz
Bye bye Lackey
put Beckett in the bullpen
Keep Elsbury.

And last but not least: get rid of the parasite known as Larry Luchino.
 
2012-08-16 09:27:25 PM
Valentine is not the cause of the problems, but anyone who thought he would help is an idiot.
 
2012-08-16 09:39:50 PM

robsul82: Coco LaFemme: John Henry gets everyone in a room when the season is over and tells them that Valentine's been fired. Once the whooping and cheering subside, he tells them Dustin Pedroia has been traded to Kansas City. Then he tells them the next person who wants to act like a whiny little biatch and disrespect their manager, can join him. I chose Pedroia because he's the "captain" of the team, and apparently well-liked by everyone (on the team, that is), so his departure would be more of a kick in the nads than say, trading Beckett.....though that needs to happen.

I just like the idea of openly treating the Royals like Siberia, lol.


Whatever works. If this was the Yankees, I'd say send Robbie Cano to KC if it gets the message through to people. Bobby Valentine was an asshole when he managed the Mets, and he was an asshole when he managed in Japan. That they thought he'd suddenly be Tito Francona 2: Electric Boogaloo is ridiculous. They knew what they were getting when they had him sign on the dotted line.

It's not just that the Red Sox are playing shiatty baseball, all teams during the course of the season will have shiatty games. It's that they openly look like and act like they couldn't care less that they're playing shiatty baseball. Couple that with that the mutiny against the management, the bickering with the F.O., and the owners caring more about football teams in England.....I don't like feeling bad for Red Sox fans, but damn it. I feel bad for them. Their fans deserve better than the product they're being sold. I've seen shiatty Yankees teams over the years (pre-Torre era), and at least they looked upset that they were playing like shiat. Made the fans think at least they cared and were trying.
 
2012-08-16 10:10:22 PM

Coco LaFemme: and at least they looked upset that they were playing like shiat. Made the fans think at least they cared and were trying.


Well, I mean I don't think we really want or need any Yankee fan pity but I can see why Yankee fans would. That, and it isn't like Sox fans are defending or making excuses for the team. What the hell can you say? I've never really seen a Sox team where people I know are just giving their tickets away for free and other people are turning them down. You can get two tickets to just about any game right now on the street at game time for $20 from scalpers. But, why would you want to? Who wants to cheer for these guys? I was thinking of taking my girlfriend because she's not from town and has never been so she could at least see Fenway on the cheap but I couldn't bring myself. So I got two tix for the minor league game at Fenway on Saturday instead.
 
2012-08-16 10:16:01 PM
Methinks Theo Epstein either got out of town just in time, or was the only reason the Red Sox didn't suck.
 
2012-08-16 10:27:59 PM
But i thought Red Sox nation was for life? everybody around here in NE was a card carrying member through thick and thin right? I mean sweet carolne every night, the idiots, we always believed, where is all that now.

I'm from New England and this season is just a prime example of how full of it the so-called nation really is
 
2012-08-16 10:31:36 PM
Just to note above, Francona lasted seven extra years due to Dave Roberts.

And the Billy Martin Yankees won. Yep, I'm including '78.
 
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