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(CNN)   Attention. Attention. The only Protestant remaining in the Presidential race is black. THIS IS NOT A DRILL. I REPEAT, THIS IS NOT A DRILL   (religion.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 72
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2012-08-16 02:55:49 PM  
This is a drill.

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2012-08-16 02:56:25 PM  
Well we know who GOD supports ... and it's not the Mormon or the Pope-worshiper
 
2012-08-16 02:56:38 PM  
Islam is a branch of Protestantism?
 
2012-08-16 02:57:00 PM  
I side with Reverend Wright.
 
2012-08-16 02:57:48 PM  
This is not a drill

www.thisisyourconscience.com
 
2012-08-16 02:59:21 PM  
Well hes half protestant through his mom. His father was a voodooist or something, and traditionally mulattoes take the religion of the n-word parent. But I guess it wouldn't be "politically correct" to point this out.
 
2012-08-16 02:59:41 PM  
All christian religions, including Mormonism, boil down to the same bullshiat: worship Jesus and behave. Sick of people pretending that there are such major differences between Protestants, Catholics, mormons, etc. The only real differences are semantics, whether to eat fish on Fridays, whether priests can forgive sins or not, which book of scriptures is more sacred, what types of underwear can protect you from Satan.
 
2012-08-16 03:00:49 PM  
Not only a protestant, but a member of the UCC.

A church that long ago decided homosexuality was not a sin.

in 1968 , which was not exactly a popular time for such sentiments. And made it more 'official' in 1985 (though I believe some member churches ordained a gay minister in 1970-but, since it's a congregationalist church, views did/do vary widely between congregations)

(Citation: here and here
 
2012-08-16 03:00:56 PM  
I'm confused. Is it Sunni or shiate that's orthodox?
 
2012-08-16 03:01:41 PM  
And not only a Protestant, a Baptist! The most Protestanty of Protestants.
 
2012-08-16 03:02:37 PM  
cue the retards claiming Obama is actually an Islamic Atheist Black Liberation Christianist
 
2012-08-16 03:03:28 PM  
Now we're gonna have the Pope and whoever runs the Mormons telling the President what to do!
 
2012-08-16 03:06:28 PM  
Mormons aren't Protestants? Dafuq? Someone show me Smith's understanding of Christianity wasn't informed by 19th C Protestantism and he recognized the Pope as the head of the HRCC.
 
2012-08-16 03:06:47 PM  
I'm sorry, I should care about what flavor of fantasy sauce you spread on your lives because...?

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2012-08-16 03:09:04 PM  

heinekenftw: All christian religions, including Mormonism, boil down to the same bullshiat: worship Jesus and behave. Sick of people pretending that there are such major differences between Protestants, Catholics, mormons, etc. The only real differences are semantics, whether to eat fish on Fridays, whether priests can forgive sins or not, which book of scriptures is more sacred, what types of underwear can protect you from Satan.


Yeah, there is absolutely nothing of substance different between Amish and Southern Baptists
 
2012-08-16 03:11:40 PM  

minnesotaboy: I'm sorry, I should care about what flavor of fantasy sauce you spread on your lives because...?


Because some people dictate public policy
 
2012-08-16 03:15:17 PM  
Yeah, most people who live in the fact based world knew that already.
 
2012-08-16 03:15:53 PM  
Eh, voting by religion was always about bigotry and misogyny anyway, so as long as there's a candidate with those values, it's all good.
 
2012-08-16 03:17:02 PM  
Should adults really be pretending to have an invisible sky man as their friend?
 
2012-08-16 03:17:18 PM  
Sarah Palin will run as the 'Conservative Christian Choice' in November.

Book it, done. Those people are not going to take this shiat lying down.
 
2012-08-16 03:17:37 PM  
I don't know where this idea that religion will play big into this election originates. We've reached peak derp, people. The people who hate Obama hate Obama, and Romney being a Mormon and Ryan being a papist aren't going to make them get over hating Obama enough to vote Democratic.
 
2012-08-16 03:20:43 PM  

heinekenftw: All christian religions, including Mormonism, boil down to the same bullshiat: worship Jesus and behave. Sick of people pretending that there are such major differences between Protestants, Catholics, mormons, etc. The only real differences are semantics, whether to eat fish on Fridays, whether priests can forgive sins or not, which book of scriptures is more sacred, what types of underwear can protect you from Satan.


Surely things like whether they expect the world to end in hellfire and Jesus' second coming within the next couple of years, whether good deeds are required or a bad idea as they distract you from having "faith", and whether being rich/successful shows you Jesus really likes you rather than being most concerned with the least amongst us, all fairly massive differences, to treat them as minor variations on the same faith seems about as valid as claiming Americans, Mexicans and Canadians are basically the same because they are close to each other.
 
2012-08-16 03:21:57 PM  

verbaltoxin: I don't know where this idea that religion will play big into this election originates. We've reached peak derp, people. The people who hate Obama hate Obama, and Romney being a Mormon and Ryan being a papist aren't going to make them get over hating Obama enough to vote Democratic.


I does make you wonder, though (and not just about whether she's naked under the toga):

Whatever happens in November, is the 2016 election going to go back to white Protestants vs white Protestants? My guess is yes, but I've been wrong before.
 
2012-08-16 03:22:17 PM  

OneTimed: cue the retards claiming Obama is actually an Islamic Atheist Black Liberation Christianist


Right. Everyone knows he's a fascist commie!
 
2012-08-16 03:23:17 PM  

heinekenftw: All christian religions, including Mormonism, boil down to the same bullshiat: worship Jesus and behave. Sick of people pretending that there are such major differences between Protestants, Catholics, mormons, etc. The only real differences are semantics, whether to eat fish on Fridays, whether priests can forgive sins or not, which book of scriptures is more sacred, what types of underwear can protect you from Satan.


I'm sorry, no. I'll agree that the distinctions between Catholics and Protestants are minor. The Mormons have their own holy book and a completely different theology. That's not to say they are bad people, but whereas Catholics and Protestants might bicker over the structure of church leadership or whether Jesus is actually or only symbolically present in the Eucharist or what age you should wait to baptize your kids, the Mormons talk about whether you've received certain priestly orders and committed certain obligations to be worthy of certain special sacraments at the regional Temple.

Just because they have Jesus Christ in their official name doesn't make them Christian, just as reading from Psalms doesn't make Catholics Jewish.
 
2012-08-16 03:26:00 PM  
Remember when the Tea Party, FOX News and the GOP were all saying that only a Christian should be in the White House and how they felt it was un-American to vote otherwise and then they voted for a Mormon? Good times, good times.
 
2012-08-16 03:26:05 PM  

MFAWG: Sarah Palin will run as the 'Conservative Christian Choice' in November.

Book it, done. Those people are not going to take this shiat lying down.


Much as I am tired of hearing about this woman (and her family), this would be totally awesome. And with Bachmann as her VP candidate.
 
2012-08-16 03:28:20 PM  

Dr Dreidel: verbaltoxin: I don't know where this idea that religion will play big into this election originates. We've reached peak derp, people. The people who hate Obama hate Obama, and Romney being a Mormon and Ryan being a papist aren't going to make them get over hating Obama enough to vote Democratic.

I does make you wonder, though (and not just about whether she's naked under the toga):

Whatever happens in November, is the 2016 election going to go back to white Protestants vs white Protestants? My guess is yes, but I've been wrong before.


It's pretty simple to me. People on the right really, really hate this guy, and yes, some of it is due to his skin color and mixed parentage. Not all of it, but some of it, and those who aren't basing it on race are making excuses for those that do in the name of solidarity against the President.
 
2012-08-16 03:29:04 PM  

heinekenftw: All christian religions, including Mormonism, boil down to the same bullshiat: worship Jesus and behave


Come to think of it, I can't remember a point in the Bible where Jesus said "Worship me." It may be my damned memory, but I just can't think of any at the moment.
 
2012-08-16 03:29:51 PM  

MFAWG: Sarah Palin will run as the 'Conservative Christian Choice' in November.

Book it, done. Those people are not going to take this shiat lying down.


Yeah, but she's too stupid to do it before the election.
 
2012-08-16 03:35:20 PM  

LoneWolf343: heinekenftw: All christian religions, including Mormonism, boil down to the same bullshiat: worship Jesus and behave

Come to think of it, I can't remember a point in the Bible where Jesus said "Worship me." It may be my damned memory, but I just can't think of any at the moment.


Let's think about it for a sec. Love others as I've loved you; forgive others as I've forgiven you; I bring the glory of God's kingdom; I am the lamb and the bread of life; I am the son of the father; I am the redeemer; give up your possessions and evil ways and follow me; do unto others as you'd have done unto you; the eight Beatitudes, and the stuff about the meek and poor inheriting the earth and being first in God's kingdom; I come in fulfillment of the scriptures and the prophets; I am the way and the light; and the kingdom of God is coming quickly so repent.

Nope, nothing here about worshipping Jesus, killing for him, hating others in his name, shunning others for not believing in him, amassing earthly wealth and power, denying gays the right to marry and abortion being murder. Lots of grandiose claims, none of them commands to actually worship Jesus.
 
2012-08-16 03:46:23 PM  

verbaltoxin: LoneWolf343: heinekenftw: All christian religions, including Mormonism, boil down to the same bullshiat: worship Jesus and behave

Come to think of it, I can't remember a point in the Bible where Jesus said "Worship me." It may be my damned memory, but I just can't think of any at the moment.

Let's think about it for a sec. Love others as I've loved you; forgive others as I've forgiven you; I bring the glory of God's kingdom; I am the lamb and the bread of life; I am the son of the father; I am the redeemer; give up your possessions and evil ways and follow me; do unto others as you'd have done unto you; the eight Beatitudes, and the stuff about the meek and poor inheriting the earth and being first in God's kingdom; I come in fulfillment of the scriptures and the prophets; I am the way and the light; and the kingdom of God is coming quickly so repent.

Nope, nothing here about worshipping Jesus, killing for him, hating others in his name, shunning others for not believing in him, amassing earthly wealth and power, denying gays the right to marry and abortion being murder. Lots of grandiose claims, none of them commands to actually worship Jesus.


"You shall worship the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, etc."; "I am the Way, The Truth and The Life; If you love me, keep my commandments"; "go forth and make new believers, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; I shall be with you even to the end of the age."

I agree that there's nothing about killing for Jesus or hating others in his name, amassing wealth and power, or oppressing gays. But there's plenty about Jesus being God.
 
2012-08-16 03:47:54 PM  

heinekenftw: All christian religions, including Mormonism, boil down to the same bullshiat: worship Jesus and behave. Sick of people pretending that there are such major differences between Protestants, Catholics, mormons, etc. The only real differences are semantics, whether to eat fish on Fridays, whether priests can forgive sins or not, which book of scriptures is more sacred, what types of underwear can protect you from Satan.


Have you read what Mormons believe? Because it's substantially different when compared to the beliefs of Souther Baptists. Not hating on the Mormons here, I just using them as an example, and I think that many of them would take offense to your assertion.
 
2012-08-16 03:48:49 PM  

indylaw: I agree that there's nothing about killing for Jesus or hating others in his name, amassing wealth and power, or oppressing gays. But there's plenty about Jesus being God.


I don't think he ever called himself God, or the son of God, directly.

Pilate: Are you the son of God?

Jesus: That's what you say.
 
2012-08-16 03:50:37 PM  

heinekenftw: All christian religions, including Mormonism, boil down to the same bullshiat: worship Jesus and behave. Sick of people pretending that there are such major differences between Protestants, Catholics, mormons, etc. The only real differences are semantics, whether to eat fish on Fridays, whether priests can forgive sins or not, which book of scriptures is more sacred, what types of underwear can protect you from Satan.


Why didn't you put Islam in there with Protestants, Catholics and mormons?

Mormons are polytheists. Christians are monotheists. Mormons use the words, but they are not Christians.

Mormons say salvation is through John Smith, not Jesus Christ. Christians say salvation is through Jesus Christ.

Mormons say salvation is becoming a god, one of many gods.
Christians say salvation is repairing one's relationship with the One True God.

Catholics believe the crackers and wine of the Eucharist physically change into the body and blood of Christ.
Protestants believe the crackers and wine of the Eucharist are just symbolism.

Mormons believe Kolob god physically fked 14 year old Mary.
Catholics believe Mary was immaculately conceived herself, without the taint of original sin (don't ask how), and she conceived Jesus supernaturally, via the Holy Spirit, and remained a virgin her entire life.
Protestants believe Mary conceived supernturally, but was not a virgin her entire life.

Jews believe Mary was a 14 year old prostitute who got pregnant by random Roman soldier... as opposed to Esther who was whored out by her 'uncle' to a very well-known King. It's all good.

Islam believes Mohammed is the great prophet after Jesus.

And then there's the Trinity.

Calling mormonism Christianity is like calling Asatru Christianity.
 
2012-08-16 03:56:06 PM  

Alphax: indylaw: I agree that there's nothing about killing for Jesus or hating others in his name, amassing wealth and power, or oppressing gays. But there's plenty about Jesus being God.

I don't think he ever called himself God, or the son of God, directly.

Pilate: Are you the son of God?

Jesus: That's what you say.


Yeah, Jesus was being snarky. But Pilate didn't want to be there, anyway. Not once in his entire interview of Jesus did he find anything blasphemous, threatening, or of worry to the Roman Empire. Pilate was extremely exasperated by the whole ordeal, and didn't want to be the fall guy -- the muscle -- for the Sanhedrin's internal slapfights.

The only way he could get back at them for putting him in the difficult position of ordering the execution of a man he believed to be innocent, was that sign he ordered over Jesus' head: King of the Jews. He could snark, too.

America needs to learn from the failure of Pilate. You can't satiate some people. They will make you the fall guy. You will be their hired muscle. You will bear the blame.
 
2012-08-16 03:56:40 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: heinekenftw: All christian religions, including Mormonism, boil down to the same bullshiat: worship Jesus and behave. Sick of people pretending that there are such major differences between Protestants, Catholics, mormons, etc. The only real differences are semantics, whether to eat fish on Fridays, whether priests can forgive sins or not, which book of scriptures is more sacred, what types of underwear can protect you from Satan.

Why didn't you put Islam in there with Protestants, Catholics and mormons?

Mormons are polytheists. Christians are monotheists. Mormons use the words, but they are not Christians.

Mormons say salvation is through John Smith, not Jesus Christ. Christians say salvation is through Jesus Christ.

Mormons say salvation is becoming a god, one of many gods.
Christians say salvation is repairing one's relationship with the One True God.

Catholics believe the crackers and wine of the Eucharist physically change into the body and blood of Christ.
Protestants believe the crackers and wine of the Eucharist are just symbolism.

Mormons believe Kolob god physically fked 14 year old Mary.
Catholics believe Mary was immaculately conceived herself, without the taint of original sin (don't ask how), and she conceived Jesus supernaturally, via the Holy Spirit, and remained a virgin her entire life.
Protestants believe Mary conceived supernturally, but was not a virgin her entire life.

Jews believe Mary was a 14 year old prostitute who got pregnant by random Roman soldier... as opposed to Esther who was whored out by her 'uncle' to a very well-known King. It's all good.

Islam believes Mohammed is the great prophet after Jesus.

And then there's the Trinity.

Calling mormonism Christianity is like calling Asatru Christianity.


Actually calling Mormonism Christianity is much more like calling Islam Christianity.
 
2012-08-16 03:56:43 PM  

verbaltoxin:
Let's think about it for a sec. Love others as I've loved you; forgive others as I've forgiven you; I bring the glory of God's kingdom; I am the lamb and the bread of life; I am the son of the father; I am the redeemer; give up your possessions and evil ways and follow me; do unto others as you'd have done unto you; the eight Beatitudes, and the stuff about the meek and poor inheriting the earth and being first in God's kingdom; I come in fulfillment of the scriptures and the prophets; I am the way and the light; and the kingdom of God is coming quickly so repent.

Nope, nothing here about worshipping Jesus, killing for him, hating others in his name, shunning others for not believing in him, amassing earthly wealth and power, denying gays the right to marry and abortion being murder. Lots of grandiose claims, none of them commands to actually worship Jesus.



Then there's that whole Genesis 19 thing, but you don't like that part of the Bible so it doesn't count, right?
 
2012-08-16 04:04:18 PM  

Alphax: indylaw: I agree that there's nothing about killing for Jesus or hating others in his name, amassing wealth and power, or oppressing gays. But there's plenty about Jesus being God.

I don't think he ever called himself God, or the son of God, directly.

Pilate: Are you the son of God?

Jesus: That's what you say.


"I and my Father are one." John 10:30. That's the most direct statement I'm familiar with. I'll grant that he never says in simple words "I am God," but he repeatedly implies that he is God when he says that he forgives sins, and when others state that he is God, he does not correct them. Why doesn't he just say "Oh, by the way, I'm God in human form"? No idea.
 
2012-08-16 04:04:53 PM  

jodaveki: Mormons aren't Protestants? Dafuq? Someone show me Smith's understanding of Christianity wasn't informed by 19th C Protestantism and he recognized the Pope as the head of the HRCC.


Aleister Crowley could recognize the Pope as the spiritual successor to Peter, the Rock, head of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Aleister Crowley was not a Protestant, either.
 
2012-08-16 04:05:44 PM  
Space Jesus.

//bed time//
//2205 CET//
 
2012-08-16 04:10:09 PM  

max_pooper: Calling mormonism Christianity is like calling Asatru Christianity.

Actually calling Mormonism Christianity is much more like calling Islam Christianity.


In some ways. It's a prophetic revelation that is additional or contrary to Christianity. But Islamic theology is remarkably like Jewish theology - puritanically monotheistic, recognizing the profound fundamental difference between God and man and emphasizing salvation by obeying divine commands and respecting God as something totally above human beings.

Mormon theology involves other Gods in addition to the God of Abraham, and stressing that human beings can become gods themselves.
 
2012-08-16 04:16:12 PM  

max_pooper: ExperianScaresCthulhu: heinekenftw: All christian religions, including Mormonism, boil down to the same bullshiat: worship Jesus and behave. Sick of people pretending that there are such major differences between Protestants, Catholics, mormons, etc. The only real differences are semantics, whether to eat fish on Fridays, whether priests can forgive sins or not, which book of scriptures is more sacred, what types of underwear can protect you from Satan.

Why didn't you put Islam in there with Protestants, Catholics and mormons?

Mormons are polytheists. Christians are monotheists. Mormons use the words, but they are not Christians.

Mormons say salvation is through John Smith, not Jesus Christ. Christians say salvation is through Jesus Christ.

Mormons say salvation is becoming a god, one of many gods.
Christians say salvation is repairing one's relationship with the One True God.

Catholics believe the crackers and wine of the Eucharist physically change into the body and blood of Christ.
Protestants believe the crackers and wine of the Eucharist are just symbolism.

Mormons believe Kolob god physically fked 14 year old Mary.
Catholics believe Mary was immaculately conceived herself, without the taint of original sin (don't ask how), and she conceived Jesus supernaturally, via the Holy Spirit, and remained a virgin her entire life.
Protestants believe Mary conceived supernturally, but was not a virgin her entire life.

Jews believe Mary was a 14 year old prostitute who got pregnant by random Roman soldier... as opposed to Esther who was whored out by her 'uncle' to a very well-known King. It's all good.

Islam believes Mohammed is the great prophet after Jesus.

And then there's the Trinity.

Calling mormonism Christianity is like calling Asatru Christianity.

Actually calling Mormonism Christianity is much more like calling Islam Christianity.


What does Islam say? There is One True God, and Mohammed is His Prophet.

Muslims are monotheists, not polytheists like Mormons, though, man. The Prophet Mohammed did not tell his followers that if they believed in him (Mohammed) that they would be gods like god the father, equal to god the father.

Mormonism creates a non-biblical lost jewish tribe of native americans.

Islam claims to be children of the biblical Ishmael, first true-born son of Abraham, who got raw-dealed by that whole Isaac thing, but is still a prophet of god.

Speaking of Ishmael......... I loooooooooove the theory that it was Ishmael whom Abraham was commanded to kill on the mountaintop, and not Isaac.

But anyway, I mention Asatru because it's polytheist. Islam is not polytheist. Mormonism can claim that it is birthed from the Abraham-traditions, but Abraham was a monotheist, not a polytheist. You're right that neither Islam nor Mormonism is Christianity, though. Islam is closer 'to the family' than Mormonism is, though.
 
2012-08-16 04:16:45 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Jews believe Mary was a 14 year old prostitute who got pregnant by random Roman soldier... as opposed to Esther who was whored out by her 'uncle' to a very well-known King. It's all good.


TBF, that's not a central tenet of the faith. Jews don't believe that Mary had conversations with or pregnancies from god, that's all. The historical explanation - assuming "Mary" was real, lived as the NT describes, and had a husband named "Joseph" and a son named Jesus - for how a woman became pregnant...is not all that hard to come up with. I, for one, never heard the Roman Soldier thing (but I have heard that the "Mary" described may have needed an aspirin between her thighs).

// there's also a bit more to the Esther story than that
 
2012-08-16 04:18:41 PM  

LordOfThePings: This is a drill.

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That's a little girl's drill. THIS is a man's drill:
www.womp-int.com

As is:
web.mst.edu
 
2012-08-16 04:24:06 PM  
I was raised by Evangelical Conservatives and was taught that Mormonism and Catholicism are not only cults, but dangerous cults. It's been great fun asking my parents, "Who are you voting for again?"
 
2012-08-16 04:30:11 PM  
Gary Johnson is a Lutheran, and he's on the ballot in all 50 states.
 
2012-08-16 04:33:37 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: That's a little girl's drill. THIS is a man's drill:


You sound like you're compensating.
 
2012-08-16 04:41:44 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Gary Johnson is a Lutheran, and he's on the ballot in all 50 states.


I like Lutherans and I like libertarians as a general rule. Too bad he can't win.
 
2012-08-16 04:52:43 PM  

WTF Indeed: And not only a Protestant, a Baptist! The most Protestanty of Protestants.


Yes by Roman Catholic is the most Christiany of the Christian faiths. I cite as evidence every horror film ever made involving religion/clergy.
 
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