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(Slate)   Well, apart from health care, transportation, scientific research, the social safety net, and the economy, what has the Stimulus done for us?   (slate.com) divider line 163
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2012-08-16 11:57:52 AM  
this is change you can believe in.

obama has almost always done what's right rather than what's politically expedient. unlike bush, who made a big show of sending everybody $600, obama cut taxes on the middle class and quietly poured billions into clean energy, healthcare and other projects he knew were important but that were not going to give him an immediate lift in the polls. i think this is what he meant when he said that he'd rather be a great one-term president than a mediocre two-term president.

but thanks to the GOP's iron grip on the media, most people will tell you the stimulus was a failure.
 
2012-08-16 01:40:32 PM  

FlashHarry: this is change you can believe in.

obama has almost always done what's right rather than what's politically expedient. unlike bush, who made a big show of sending everybody $600, obama cut taxes on the middle class and quietly poured billions into clean energy, healthcare and other projects he knew were important but that were not going to give him an immediate lift in the polls. i think this is what he meant when he said that he'd rather be a great one-term president than a mediocre two-term president.

but thanks to the GOP's iron grip on the media, most people will tell you the stimulus was a failure.



I want to be your Facebook friend.

/No snark. I'm serious.
 
2012-08-16 01:42:52 PM  

FlashHarry: obama has almost always done what's right rather than what's politically expedient.


...aside from the State Secrets Privilege cases. No worse than I'd expect of the GOP, though.

But yeah, the stimulus definitely seems to have done some good.
 
2012-08-16 01:51:13 PM  
Democrats eunt domus
 
2012-08-16 01:51:53 PM  
Orgasms. You forgot orgasms.
 
2012-08-16 01:52:03 PM  
Government needs to stay out of my Medicare, but they can do whatever for everyone else.
 
2012-08-16 01:52:32 PM  
TL;DR

You can't fit that shiat on a bumper sticker.

Obama won't run on the stimulus. He lost the PR battle on that because of shiatty journalism.
 
2012-08-16 01:52:58 PM  
The aqueduct?
 
2012-08-16 01:53:10 PM  
If you ask Americans then they will tell you that they hate Obamacare and the Stimulus and they want an end to Big Government! Suck it, Americans.
 
2012-08-16 01:54:13 PM  
The aquaducts?
 
2012-08-16 01:54:40 PM  

FlashHarry: but thanks to the GOP's iron grip on the media, most people will tell you the stimulus was a failure.


wtfamireading.jpg
 
2012-08-16 01:54:48 PM  

FlashHarry: but thanks to the GOP's iron grip on the media,


lolwut.jpg
 
2012-08-16 01:54:54 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: The aqueduct?


Damn you. ;)
 
2012-08-16 01:55:20 PM  
brought peace?
 
2012-08-16 01:55:37 PM  
Unemployment is nonexistent and the federal debt went away. Oh yeah and this free Obamacare is great.

Four more years of blaming Bush is definitely the answer.
 
2012-08-16 01:55:48 PM  
Joking aside, some of the money in the stimulus indirectly saved my job, because people started ordering what my company sells because the incentives from the feds were enough to offset the risks of purchasing new equipment, despite my customers markets being severely depressed.

They used that plus the slow time to upgrade facilities to be more efficient so when the market for their goods came back (and it has), they would be ready to fill orders quicker and with less overhead than before.
 
2012-08-16 01:56:34 PM  

Rapmaster2000: If you ask Americans then they will tell you that they hate Obamacare and the Stimulus and they want an end to Big Government! Suck it, Americans.


Wasn't there a study that showed the majority of people opposed Obamacare, but supported most of the measures that are it?
 
2012-08-16 01:56:54 PM  

kombat_unit: FlashHarry: but thanks to the GOP's iron grip on the media,

lolwut.jpg


He's right you know. The GOP if I give them credit for anything, they've "worked the refs" masterfully.
 
2012-08-16 01:57:21 PM  
Because Socilizm
 
2012-08-16 01:57:32 PM  
... Oh God, don't tell me Drew posted this one to the main tab as well.
 
2012-08-16 01:58:00 PM  
Thwart the recovery?
 
2012-08-16 01:58:07 PM  

YELLOL: Four more years of blaming Bush Obama is definitely the answer.


That's what we're going to get with a Romney presidency and YOU know it!
 
2012-08-16 01:58:44 PM  

redmond24: TL;DR

You can't fit that shiat on a bumper sticker.

Obama won't run on the stimulus. He lost the PR battle on that because of shiatty journalism.


That and the unfortunate fact that the stimulus did absolutely nothing but add more debt. Turns out burning money doesn't make more money... who could've guessed?
 
2012-08-16 01:59:09 PM  

Arkanaut: Democrats eunt domus


What Obama blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem
 
2012-08-16 01:59:17 PM  
Upgraded energy efficiency with natural gas and alternative power? Repaired a faltering energy grid? Saved green and renewable power from decline and irrelevance?

One of the great accomplishments of the Depression was Hoover Dam. The changes that Obama has made in energy policy, production and distribution are at least as big as that, probably bigger and better thought through.

After all, what did you get from Hoover Dam?

Las Vegas? That's about it. It was a sleepy desert town with a couple of poker saloons and slot-machines before the mafia, the New Mafia and electricty combined with AC and water pumping made it a desert playground for the celebrity classes and the masses.

All in all, the Stimulus has worked well. The failures were elsewhere--in the political and the economic elites, not in the government planning and implementation of classic Keynsian principles. If there is a second dip, it will be because Obama, like FDR, listened to conservatives too much and to progressive thinking not enough. A Depression is the time to build, build, build. Labour is cheap and the construction industry is not doing anything, unusually.
 
2012-08-16 01:59:28 PM  
It has gone from making our children pay for our benefits, to our children and grandchildren.
 
2012-08-16 01:59:42 PM  

YELLOL: Unemployment is nonexistent and the federal debt went away. Oh yeah and this free Obamacare is great.

Four more years of blaming Bush is definitely the answer.


So another 4 years of what amounts to Bush is the answer?

Slow recovery is better than Regressing backwards at least in my world.
 
2012-08-16 02:00:12 PM  

PowerSlacker: FlashHarry: but thanks to the GOP's iron grip on the media, most people will tell you the stimulus was a failure.

wtfamireading.jpg


kombat_unit: FlashHarry: but thanks to the GOP's iron grip on the media,

lolwut.jpg


I think "iron grip" is a bit hyperbolic, except in the case of Fox News and a vast collection of conservative Republican blogs (e.g. Free Republic, American Thinker, etc.). But aside from that, the Republicans really have done their best to control the media. By reifying the concept of the liberal media, genuine news organizations have to be worried about appearing to be even remotely liberal. So they do tend to report more softly on Republicans than they do on Democrats now. The Republican party is, to a greater degree than the Democratic party, guiding the national narratives put out by the media. "The GOP's dramatic influence on the media" may be more accurate in degree, but the sentiment is still true.
 
2012-08-16 02:00:31 PM  
It built a nice shiny new highway close to my house that takes me right into the STL, where I work. I'm OK with that.
 
2012-08-16 02:00:44 PM  
It hasn't provided employment.
 
2012-08-16 02:01:20 PM  

cfffffgagffacfacfacfacfacccccfcaaffff: Arkanaut: Democrats eunt domus

What Obama blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem


Did you just imply Obama is Brian, um I mean, Jesus? ;)
 
2012-08-16 02:01:21 PM  
We got a new highway out of it. So I don't see how the stimulus failed. 

Link

Maybe just repeating it over and over again will make it true right? ;)
 
2012-08-16 02:02:14 PM  
You know, it was exactly the same thing in high school. Everyone just biatched and made fun of the student government. But who do they think would have helped beautify the hallways, organize the pep rally bonfire, or put on the prom if not for them?
 
2012-08-16 02:02:36 PM  

show me: It built a nice shiny new highway close to my house that takes me right into the STL, where I work. I'm OK with that.


MO 141?

That thing is awesome now since they finally built that road. I can get to Chesterfield in no time now coming from St. Charles and once they finish 364 out here in St. Charles County, I'll be able to get to Chesterfield even faster than that!
 
2012-08-16 02:03:00 PM  
Don't forget that the stimulus was also a huge energy bill:
This guy's interview on Grist.com

"Q. What were the big energy pieces in the stimulus?

A.
The energy stuff wasn't just big, it was ginormous. It's hard to get people twice as excited about $90 billion as they would be about $45 billion, or 10 times more than they would be about $9 billion, but even $9 billion would have been ginormous. Ten years earlier, [President] Clinton pushed a five-year, $6 billion clean energy bill that went nowhere; at the time it was seen as preposterous and unrealistic, and it was. And here, 10 years later, $90 billion in the guy's first month in office. Plus it leveraged another $100 billion in private money.

Obama promised that he would double renewable power generation during his first term, and he did." 
 
2012-08-16 02:03:38 PM  
Its rebuilding the highway by my home from 4 to 6 lanes and rebuilding all the overpasses along the way that needed to be updated. Fartbongo truly is history's greatest monster.
 
2012-08-16 02:03:39 PM  

beta_plus: It hasn't provided employment.


I dunno, unemployment has gone done since the stimulus got passed. 

But whatever you want to believe in I suppose. ;)
 
2012-08-16 02:03:50 PM  

YELLOL: Unemployment is nonexistent and the federal debt went away. Oh yeah and this free Obamacare is great.

Four more years of blaming Bush is definitely the answer.


Oh shut the f*ck up. Democrats and liberals had to endure 8 years of blaming Clinton.
 
2012-08-16 02:04:52 PM  

beta_plus: It hasn't provided employment.


Huh, then why is unemployment going down?
 
2012-08-16 02:04:59 PM  

Mrtraveler01: beta_plus: It hasn't provided employment.

I dunno, unemployment has gone done since the stimulus got passed. 

But whatever you want to believe in I suppose. ;)


he must be waiting for middle management?
 
2012-08-16 02:04:59 PM  

Mrtraveler01: We got a new highway out of it. So I don't see how the stimulus failed. 

Link

Maybe just repeating it over and over again will make it true right? ;)


Oh, yeah, I guess it built 141 also. I was talking about Page Avenue Extension from Harvester to Mid Rivers Mall Drive. That section was unfunded and otherwise wouldn't have even been started yet but for the stimulus. It opens in exactly two weeks.
 
2012-08-16 02:05:16 PM  
Talked to a guy who is working for a massive road expansion project (laborer) and he was explaining to me how Fartbongo is anti-gun so he is voting for Rmoney and I really wanted to ask if he understood he would be voting himself out of work.
 
2012-08-16 02:06:35 PM  

monoski: Talked to a guy who is working for a massive road expansion project (laborer) and he was explaining to me how Fartbongo is anti-gun so he is voting for Rmoney and I really wanted to ask if he understood he would be voting himself out of work.


Do it for the lulz. :)
 
2012-08-16 02:07:56 PM  

show me: Mrtraveler01: We got a new highway out of it. So I don't see how the stimulus failed. 

Link

Maybe just repeating it over and over again will make it true right? ;)

Oh, yeah, I guess it built 141 also. I was talking about Page Avenue Extension from Harvester to Mid Rivers Mall Drive. That section was unfunded and otherwise wouldn't have even been started yet but for the stimulus. It opens in exactly two weeks.


Two weeks?

I didn't realize they were moving that far ahead. I thought they were still working on it down by Jungerman.

Damn! I gotta check that out. But you're right, it would NOT be this far ahead without the stimulus.
 
2012-08-16 02:09:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: show me: Mrtraveler01: We got a new highway out of it. So I don't see how the stimulus failed. 

Link

Maybe just repeating it over and over again will make it true right? ;)

Oh, yeah, I guess it built 141 also. I was talking about Page Avenue Extension from Harvester to Mid Rivers Mall Drive. That section was unfunded and otherwise wouldn't have even been started yet but for the stimulus. It opens in exactly two weeks.

Two weeks?

I didn't realize they were moving that far ahead. I thought they were still working on it down by Jungerman.

Damn! I gotta check that out. But you're right, it would NOT be this far ahead without the stimulus.


Well, they are going to have to redo the underpass at Jungerman once the highway opens, but yeah, the ribbon cutting is August 30th.
 
2012-08-16 02:09:56 PM  
Go to Recovery.gov - and enter in your zip code. It's actually pretty interesting to see all the tax dollars at work improving infrastructure and grant money for local governments.
 
2012-08-16 02:11:49 PM  

show me: Mrtraveler01: show me: Mrtraveler01: We got a new highway out of it. So I don't see how the stimulus failed. 

Link

Maybe just repeating it over and over again will make it true right? ;)

Oh, yeah, I guess it built 141 also. I was talking about Page Avenue Extension from Harvester to Mid Rivers Mall Drive. That section was unfunded and otherwise wouldn't have even been started yet but for the stimulus. It opens in exactly two weeks.

Two weeks?

I didn't realize they were moving that far ahead. I thought they were still working on it down by Jungerman.

Damn! I gotta check that out. But you're right, it would NOT be this far ahead without the stimulus.

Well, they are going to have to redo the underpass at Jungerman once the highway opens, but yeah, the ribbon cutting is August 30th.


That's great. the intersection at Jungerman is a complete clusterfark right now so it'll be nice when they get that all sorted out and all the traffic moves up onto the new highway.
 
2012-08-16 02:12:43 PM  

YELLOL: That and the unfortunate fact that the stimulus did absolutely nothing but add more debt.


Evidently the current Republican candidate for VP didn't think so.

Rep. Ryan wrote letters in 2009 to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis seeking stimulus grant money for two Wisconsin energy conservation companies. One of them, the nonprofit Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp., later received $20.3 million from the Energy Department to help homes and businesses improve energy efficiency, according to federal records.

In a letter to Chu in December 2009, Ryan said the stimulus money would help his state create thousands of new jobs, save energy and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. That contrasted with his public statements denigrating the stimulus program as a "wasteful spending spree." It also conflicts with his larger federal budget proposal, which would slash Energy Department programs aimed at creating green jobs.


Link
 
2012-08-16 02:15:06 PM  
So an Obama voter, who works for a clearly left leaning news magazine writes a book about how successful Obama's Stimulus program was - even though most other folks deemed it didn't work - and it is to be accepted as truth.

Well call me convinced. I will now vote for Obama this November.
 
2012-08-16 02:17:08 PM  

Overfiend: So an Obama voter, who works for a clearly left leaning news magazine writes a book about how successful Obama's Stimulus program was - even though most other folks deemed it didn't work - and it is to be accepted as truth.

Well call me convinced. I will now vote for Obama this November.


He used these wacky things called "facts" which are supported by "data."
 
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