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(Sports Illustrated)   29 year old QB available with 79.2 passer rating last season on 3,091 yards thrown, with good mobility. Any teams out there with a future HOF receiver and nobody to throw to him? Who play in a crappy city in the desert, perhaps?   (tracking.si.com) divider line 102
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2012-08-16 11:41:58 AM  
What I love about this headline is that I thought two things:

"Kevin Kolb threw for over 3,000 yards?" and "wait, Kolb already plays in Arizona."

/Jackson would be an upgrade for them
 
2012-08-16 01:43:27 PM  
As a Vikes fan i'm shocked, SHOCKED, that Tarvaris isn't starting in Seattle.
 
2012-08-16 01:44:04 PM  
I can't imagaine getting anything better than a 6th rounder for him, even though $4mil is a pretty reasonable pricetag.
 
2012-08-16 01:45:24 PM  

HeathenHealer: As a Vikes fan i'm shocked, SHOCKED, that Tarvaris isn't starting in Seattle.


He would be if Flynn had been more expensive. We'd be hoping to make the playoffs on the backs of our defense and Lynch. It'd probably not be that bad, frankly.
 
2012-08-16 01:48:31 PM  
Sounds like Subby is cruisin' for a bruisin'.
 
2012-08-16 01:52:31 PM  
That's only 43 points behind Aaron Rodgers! That makes him a top 25 Quarterback! In fact he's 5 points in passer rating better than Josh Freeman, who as we all know is a "top 5 QB".
 
2012-08-16 01:52:47 PM  
Hey, whatever happened to Jeff George?

Seriously though, I felt sorry for Tarvaris, but he's damaged goods now. He's had his chance.
 
2012-08-16 01:54:22 PM  

Arkanaut: Hey, whatever happened to Jeff George?

Seriously though, I felt sorry for Tarvaris, but he's damaged goods now. He's had his chance.


He did do all that with a torn pectoral last season.
 
2012-08-16 01:56:13 PM  
79.2 is a really crappy QB rating, but then Jackson is a really crappy QB.

/Seachicken fan
//start Flynn already and shut up, Pete
 
2012-08-16 01:57:16 PM  

IAmRight: What I love about this headline is that I thought two things:

"Kevin Kolb threw for over 3,000 yards?" and "wait, Kolb already plays in Arizona."

/Jackson would be an upgrade for them


This. I've never understood the love for Kevin Kolb.
 
2012-08-16 02:00:39 PM  

Wadded Beef: IAmRight: What I love about this headline is that I thought two things:

"Kevin Kolb threw for over 3,000 yards?" and "wait, Kolb already plays in Arizona."

/Jackson would be an upgrade for them

This. I've never understood the love for Kevin Kolb.


The Eagles probably love the players they got out of the deal, Michal Kendricks and Dominique Rogers-Cromartie.
 
2012-08-16 02:02:32 PM  

IAmRight: What I love about this headline is that I thought two things:

"Kevin Kolb threw for over 3,000 yards?" and "wait, Kolb already plays in Arizona."

/Jackson would be an upgrade for them


Kolb was better than Jackson last year.

Do you ever factcheck before you post?
 
2012-08-16 02:04:17 PM  
Kolb was better than Jackson last year.

Do you ever factcheck before you post?


The point is, if either is your QB, you're in for a long season.. long as in how horrible it is to watch, not long as in beyond 16 games.
 
2012-08-16 02:04:44 PM  

HeathenHealer: As a Vikes fan i'm shocked, SHOCKED, that Tarvaris isn't starting in Seattle.


TJ ain't that bad. I don't get the constant knocks on the guy to be frank. There's 32 starters and 32 backups in the league. But everyone wants to have aaron rodgers with tom brady backing him up - anything less and it's 'he sucks!'.
 
2012-08-16 02:05:23 PM  
No. Kolb sucks. I'll take Jackson over Kolb all day.
 
2012-08-16 02:05:34 PM  

HeathenHealer: As a Vikes fan i'm shocked, SHOCKED, that Tarvaris isn't starting in Seattle.


This.
 
2012-08-16 02:07:10 PM  

JohnBigBootay: TJ ain't that bad. I don't get the constant knocks on the guy to be frank. There's 32 starters and 32 backups in the league. But everyone wants to have aaron rodgers with tom brady backing him up - anything less and it's 'he sucks!'.


No. You see somebody like Alex Smith or say Flacco is not great like Rodgers, but under the right circumstances you could possibly win a superbowl with.

Tavaras simply sucks.
 
2012-08-16 02:07:25 PM  

JohnBigBootay: HeathenHealer: As a Vikes fan i'm shocked, SHOCKED, that Tarvaris isn't starting in Seattle.

TJ ain't that bad. I don't get the constant knocks on the guy to be frank. There's 32 starters and 32 backups in the league. But everyone wants to have aaron rodgers with tom brady backing him up - anything less and it's 'he sucks!'.


I absolutely agree that not everyone will be Rodgers, but if you're relying on TJ to take you to the promise land you're team is pretty much farked.
 
2012-08-16 02:07:37 PM  

PowerSlacker: IAmRight: What I love about this headline is that I thought two things:

"Kevin Kolb threw for over 3,000 yards?" and "wait, Kolb already plays in Arizona."

/Jackson would be an upgrade for them

Kolb was better than Jackson last year.

Do you ever factcheck before you post?


If the only stat you look at is passer rating, yes.

1,955 yds, 9TD, 8INT is pretty shiatty.
 
2012-08-16 02:10:02 PM  
Put him out at WR. That is what his college coach did before he transferred...
 
2012-08-16 02:10:39 PM  

MugzyBrown: JohnBigBootay: TJ ain't that bad. I don't get the constant knocks on the guy to be frank. There's 32 starters and 32 backups in the league. But everyone wants to have aaron rodgers with tom brady backing him up - anything less and it's 'he sucks!'.

No. You see somebody like Alex Smith or say Flacco is not great like Rodgers, but under the right circumstances you could possibly win a superbowl with.

Tavaras simply sucks.


TJack is certainly not elite, but 3,000yds, 60% completion, 14td, 13int certainly isn't sucking. Especially when you consider that he did it with a trorn throwing pec.
 
2012-08-16 02:11:15 PM  

wildbill0712: Put him out at WR. That is what his college coach did before he transferred...


And yet he made the NFL as a QB...
 
2012-08-16 02:11:35 PM  

PowerSlacker: Kolb was better than Jackson last year.

Do you ever factcheck before you post?


That's a reach at best. Kolb sqeaked out qb rating but that's about it. And you seem to count missing 8 games for injury as ablolutely not a factor. It is and it's a rather large one. Kolb had 9 td's and 8 picks. TJ had 14 and 13 as well as a higher completion percentage. TJ ain't Johnny Unitas but I'd rather have him than kolb any day of the week.
 
2012-08-16 02:12:26 PM  

PowerSlacker: 79.2 is a really crappy QB rating, but then Jackson is a really crappy QB.

/Seachicken fan
//start Flynn already and shut up, Pete



Go ask any New England Patriot fan about Pete Carrol....he should have stayed at USC. He was royalty there...now he's just going to prove that he doesn't have what it takes to coach in the NFL.
 
2012-08-16 02:13:40 PM  
TJack is certainly not elite, but 3,000yds, 60% completion, 14td, 13int certainly isn't sucking. Especially when you consider that he did it with a trorn throwing pec.

In today's NFL those numbers suck. He's about the 20th best QB in a league with about 12-15 good QBs.
 
2012-08-16 02:14:13 PM  

JohnBigBootay: PowerSlacker: Kolb was better than Jackson last year.

Do you ever factcheck before you post?

That's a reach at best. Kolb sqeaked out qb rating but that's about it. And you seem to count missing 8 games for injury as ablolutely not a factor. It is and it's a rather large one. Kolb had 9 td's and 8 picks. TJ had 14 and 13 as well as a higher completion percentage. TJ ain't Johnny Unitas but I'd rather have him than kolb any day of the week.


Note that I didn't say Kolb was better than Jackson. I just was refuting the opposite claim.

They both look like equal piles of crap to me.
 
2012-08-16 02:14:39 PM  

HeathenHealer: I absolutely agree that not everyone will be Rodgers, but if you're relying on TJ to take you to the promise land you're team is pretty much farked.


maybe, maybe not. But you have to field a team and play the games and win as many of them as you can even if your team's destiny is not to have a top ten guy this year. Me, I'd rather have tj than kolb as I think he has more upside. they're pretty comparable numerically of late I just have a feeling tj can get better and we've seen all kolb has to offer. I could be wrong of course.
 
2012-08-16 02:16:09 PM  

JohnBigBootay: HeathenHealer: I absolutely agree that not everyone will be Rodgers, but if you're relying on TJ to take you to the promise land you're team is pretty much farked.

maybe, maybe not. But you have to field a team and play the games and win as many of them as you can even if your team's destiny is not to have a top ten guy this year. Me, I'd rather have tj than kolb as I think he has more upside. they're pretty comparable numerically of late I just have a feeling tj can get better and we've seen all kolb has to offer. I could be wrong of course.


Jackson is 16 months older (29 v 28) and has had starting gigs in two places.

I don't see much upside to either of them.
 
2012-08-16 02:16:21 PM  

KFBR392: PowerSlacker: 79.2 is a really crappy QB rating, but then Jackson is a really crappy QB.

/Seachicken fan
//start Flynn already and shut up, Pete


Go ask any New England Patriot fan about Pete Carrol....he should have stayed at USC. He was royalty there...now he's just going to prove that he doesn't have what it takes to coach in the NFL.


Don't remind us.
 
2012-08-16 02:17:14 PM  

JohnBigBootay: HeathenHealer: I absolutely agree that not everyone will be Rodgers, but if you're relying on TJ to take you to the promise land you're team is pretty much farked.

maybe, maybe not. But you have to field a team and play the games and win as many of them as you can even if your team's destiny is not to have a top ten guy this year. Me, I'd rather have tj than kolb as I think he has more upside. they're pretty comparable numerically of late I just have a feeling tj can get better and we've seen all kolb has to offer. I could be wrong of course.


Fair enough. I honestly think the two are probably a toss-up, which sucks for Arizona if that's what your choices have come down to.
 
2012-08-16 02:18:36 PM  

PowerSlacker: Note that I didn't say Kolb was better than Jackson. I just was refuting the opposite claim.

They both look like equal piles of crap to me.


Fair enough, I'm just more forgiving or perhaps realistic. I think they both fit in the 'fair' category. There's like five guys everyone absolutely wants and five more guys almost all would be pretty happy to have and maybe five more the have nots have reason to believe can become one of those top ten guys. That leaves another 17 or so teams who are gonna have to make do and I think TJ and probably kolb as well are two of those guys. We all can't drive ferraris.
 
2012-08-16 02:18:40 PM  

MugzyBrown: TJack is certainly not elite, but 3,000yds, 60% completion, 14td, 13int certainly isn't sucking. Especially when you consider that he did it with a trorn throwing pec.

In today's NFL those numbers suck. He's about the 20th best QB in a league with about 12-15 good QBs.


In a run-happy offense with a decimated O-Line and a torn pec, they're pretty good. When you consider how the team as a whole is developing as well, he was probably in for a better season this year. I gotta say, as a Seahawk fan, if we had passed on Flynn and Wilson was still developing (as he is), I'd have very little problem with T-Jack starting this year. As it is, he's the most expensive QB, so he's out.
 
2012-08-16 02:19:27 PM  

KFBR392: PowerSlacker: 79.2 is a really crappy QB rating, but then Jackson is a really crappy QB.

/Seachicken fan
//start Flynn already and shut up, Pete


Go ask any New England Patriot fan about Pete Carrol....he should have stayed at USC. He was royalty there...now he's just going to prove that he doesn't have what it takes to coach in the NFL.


I cringed when Paul Allen hired a two time failure to coach the Seahawks...and then he just pulled the same shiat again with the Blazers.
 
2012-08-16 02:19:37 PM  
Huh. i thought we gave up DRC and two draft picks for Kolb. It was "only" DRC and this year's second rounder.


either way, if we once again are left to scrounge the waiver wire for a QB, then Bidwill should tell Whiz and Graves, playoff run or GTFO. Not playoff game, but playoff run. otherwise, we're not going into the 2013 season once again searching for a QB.
 
2012-08-16 02:19:54 PM  

PowerSlacker: Note that I didn't say Kolb was better than Jackson. I just was refuting the opposite claim.


It's not like Jackson is a huge upgrade. But Jackson put up his numbers without Larry Fitzgerald to throw to (and with a torn pectoral muscle). And he's cheaper. And at least Seattle realizes he isn't "the guy" (though apparently Arizona's ready to give up on Kolb, too).
 
2012-08-16 02:20:37 PM  

JohnBigBootay: PowerSlacker: Note that I didn't say Kolb was better than Jackson. I just was refuting the opposite claim.

They both look like equal piles of crap to me.

Fair enough, I'm just more forgiving or perhaps realistic. I think they both fit in the 'fair' category. There's like five guys everyone absolutely wants and five more guys almost all would be pretty happy to have and maybe five more the have nots have reason to believe can become one of those top ten guys. That leaves another 17 or so teams who are gonna have to make do and I think TJ and probably kolb as well are two of those guys. We all can't drive ferraris.


That's a totally fair point. If you're stuck with mediocre already though, why go pick up more mediocrity?
 
2012-08-16 02:20:37 PM  

soopey: Sounds like Subby is cruisin' for a bruisin'.


Ever been to Phoenix? Yikes.

PowerSlacker: IAmRight: What I love about this headline is that I thought two things:

"Kevin Kolb threw for over 3,000 yards?" and "wait, Kolb already plays in Arizona."

/Jackson would be an upgrade for them

Kolb was better than Jackson last year.

Do you ever factcheck before you post?


Stat-wise Kolb was a bit better last year. But my feeling is that TJ is a modicum of improvement at the position over Kolb. I got to watch a lot of TJ last year and to my surprise, he is not a terrible QB.

The other team I could think of is JAX. TJ is much better than Blaine Gabbert. Chad Henne ain't good either.

/really I just wanted to get an NFL related thread going today. Soccer sucks.
 
2012-08-16 02:21:01 PM  

seumasokelly: wildbill0712: Put him out at WR. That is what his college coach did before he transferred...

And yet he made the NFL as a QB...


He got moved so Matt Jones could play QB. And he ended up (briefly) in the NFL as a WR.
Go figure.
 
2012-08-16 02:22:11 PM  
Basically, if I had to pick a QB to run my team in a life-or-death game, (and I'm assuming the person wants there to be a really solid chance of my death, because my choices are Tarvaris or Kolb...) I'm taking Jackson.
 
2012-08-16 02:23:48 PM  
Basically, most Seahawks fans who watched Jackson play last year have come into this thread and said "he doesn't really suck that bad - he's not great but he's serviceable." No one has said anything even to that level of praise about Kolb.
 
2012-08-16 02:24:09 PM  
I like Tarvaris Jackson. He's tough, he plays through injury, and he's a guy that can get you to about .500. I believe had he started the Browns game last year, SEA would have been 8-8.

However, I am almost dead sure that eventually, Flynn and Wilson can both be better than that.

But I like the guy and I feel bad for him not being able to process a defense quickly.
 
2012-08-16 02:25:25 PM  
Trade him to the Yankees.
 
2012-08-16 02:25:38 PM  

Smelly McUgly: I believe had he started the Browns game last year, SEA would have been 8-8.


I think they'd have gone 9-7 (with the idea that they wouldn't have had the incentive to lose to Arizona to get a better draft pick in the season finale).
 
2012-08-16 02:26:48 PM  
As a Redskins fan, I decided to see how those numbers compared with the two-headed beast that was our starting QB corps last season (Grossman & Beck):

RG 3 and out: QBR 72.4, 3151 Yards, 57.9% Completion 16TD 20INT
Beck: QBR 72.1, 858 Yards, 60.6% Completion 2TD 4INT

It seems that Tavaris or Kolb would have been just as good, if not better. Now you know why the team gave up a metric ass load to get RGIII
 
2012-08-16 02:27:30 PM  

IAmRight: Basically, most Seahawks fans who watched Jackson play last year have come into this thread and said "he doesn't really suck that bad - he's not great but he's serviceable." No one has said anything even to that level of praise about Kolb.


Hooray for anecdotal evidence.
 
2012-08-16 02:28:30 PM  
Shiat.

El Brujo: soopey: Sounds like Subby is cruisin' for a bruisin' from Action Jackson.

Ever been to Phoenix? Yikes.




Forgot to add that part. Time for more coffee. Damn these new buttons.
 
2012-08-16 02:29:41 PM  

HeathenHealer: As a Vikes fan i'm shocked, SHOCKED, that Tarvaris isn't starting in Seattle.


He has not been in a good situation, he's been jerked around. He's 29 years old, and quite frankly was [expletive] on for five years.
 
2012-08-16 02:30:58 PM  

KFBR392: PowerSlacker: 79.2 is a really crappy QB rating, but then Jackson is a really crappy QB.

/Seachicken fan
//start Flynn already and shut up, Pete


Go ask any New England Patriot fan about Pete Carrol....he should have stayed at USC. He was royalty there...now he's just going to prove that he doesn't have what it takes to coach in the NFL.


Well he couldn't really stay at USC considering what was coming down the pipe thanks to the Reggie Bush situation.

Also, FWIW if I was going to make a move for a Qb whose team is ditching him for the next hot thing, I'd go with Matt Moore
 
2012-08-16 02:31:27 PM  

Funbags: HeathenHealer: As a Vikes fan i'm shocked, SHOCKED, that Tarvaris isn't starting in Seattle.

He has not been in a good situation, he's been jerked around. He's 29 years old, and quite frankly was [expletive] on for five years.


See also: Jason Campbell
 
2012-08-16 02:32:16 PM  

IAmRight: Smelly McUgly: I believe had he started the Browns game last year, SEA would have been 8-8.

I think they'd have gone 9-7 (with the idea that they wouldn't have had the incentive to lose to Arizona to get a better draft pick in the season finale).


I'm pretty sure they tried to win that game, but Fitzgerald and the fact that Tarvaris couldn't drive them past midfield in OT stopped that from happening.
 
2012-08-16 02:32:29 PM  
Heh. if reports are to be believed, the Redbirds are considering Jackson or.....Colt McCoy.


and how ironic that tomorrow night, Matt Leinart makes his craptastic return to Cardinal Nation. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand if in fact the Redbirds are going to make a run at Tarvaris, how ironic is it that when we were actively shopping Leinart, Seattle approahced us but the braintrust (sarcasm) at Cardinal HQ declined to move Leinart not just in-division, but in-conference.

Oh sweet irony! two years later and we may be on our knees begging Seattle to deal.
 
2012-08-16 02:33:43 PM  

rickythepenguin: Heh. if reports are to be believed, the Redbirds are considering Jackson or.....Colt McCoy.


and how ironic that tomorrow night, Matt Leinart makes his craptastic return to Cardinal Nation. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand if in fact the Redbirds are going to make a run at Tarvaris, how ironic is it that when we were actively shopping Leinart, Seattle approahced us but the braintrust (sarcasm) at Cardinal HQ declined to move Leinart not just in-division, but in-conference.

Oh sweet irony! two years later and we may be on our knees begging Seattle to deal.


I think all it would take to easily win the race for Jackson would be a 5th rounder.
 
2012-08-16 02:35:06 PM  

seumasokelly: rickythepenguin: Heh. if reports are to be believed, the Redbirds are considering Jackson or.....Colt McCoy.


and how ironic that tomorrow night, Matt Leinart makes his craptastic return to Cardinal Nation. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand if in fact the Redbirds are going to make a run at Tarvaris, how ironic is it that when we were actively shopping Leinart, Seattle approahced us but the braintrust (sarcasm) at Cardinal HQ declined to move Leinart not just in-division, but in-conference.

Oh sweet irony! two years later and we may be on our knees begging Seattle to deal.

I think all it would take to easily win the race for Jackson would be a 5th rounder.


Or a bag of used footballs.
 
2012-08-16 02:36:30 PM  

Smelly McUgly: I'm pretty sure they tried to win that game, but Fitzgerald and the fact that Tarvaris couldn't drive them past midfield in OT stopped that from happening.


Then I count that as another win, since we got a free draft pick out of the deal (since they traded the extra few spots they got from losing down, and picked up another couple draft picks).

Hopefully Jaye Howard or Jeremy Lane turn into something. Then basically what happened would be that we got those two players because of a Week 17 loss.
 
2012-08-16 02:36:37 PM  
Oh, and Jason Campbell, 30 years old, career qb rating of 82, who has never thrown more picks than td's in a season, and who has been jerked around by both al davis AND Daniel snyder which damn sure hasn't helped his stats.... had to settle for a backup job. I still don't understand that.
 
2012-08-16 02:38:08 PM  

seumasokelly: I think all it would take to easily win the race for Jackson would be a 5th rounder.



because if Whiz' tenure has taught us anything, it is that trading draft picks for shiatty QBs is to be avoided at all costs.

*eyeroll*
 
2012-08-16 02:38:52 PM  
I'm still rooting for John Skelton to win the starting gig.
 
2012-08-16 02:39:24 PM  

LucklessWonder: See also: Jason Campbell


Heh. had the same thought. I think JC could still have a good career if he got the right situation. All he's seen is turmoil, crazy owners, constantly changing coaches and coordinators and he still put up pretty decent numbers.
 
2012-08-16 02:39:43 PM  
Until he lands somewhere, I'm going to move him out of my top spot for fantasy football...
 
2012-08-16 02:41:13 PM  
Two words..wildcat...decoy.

//VfB Stuttgart baby//
 
2012-08-16 02:44:33 PM  

mariner314: I'm still rooting for John Skelton to win the starting gig.



I never wavered on that. for all his faults, he needs reps. but whiz farked that up. Whiz believes he's going to have Warner v2.0 fall into his lap AGAIN.
 
2012-08-16 02:47:11 PM  

JohnBigBootay: LucklessWonder: See also: Jason Campbell

Heh. had the same thought. I think JC could still have a good career if he got the right situation. All he's seen is turmoil, crazy owners, constantly changing coaches and coordinators and he still put up pretty decent numbers.


Yeah. The only knock I have against JC is he has the slowest damned release I ever saw, which meant that he needed a solid line in front of him, and the 'Skins haven't had a decent O-line since 1991...
 
2012-08-16 02:50:35 PM  

LucklessWonder: JohnBigBootay: LucklessWonder: See also: Jason Campbell

Heh. had the same thought. I think JC could still have a good career if he got the right situation. All he's seen is turmoil, crazy owners, constantly changing coaches and coordinators and he still put up pretty decent numbers.

Yeah. The only knock I have against JC is he has the slowest damned release I ever saw, which meant that he needed a solid line in front of him, and the 'Skins haven't had a decent O-line since 1991...


The Bears O-line is not how you say...ideal, either.

Farking turnstiles

/Bears fan
 
2012-08-16 02:51:24 PM  

rickythepenguin: mariner314: I'm still rooting for John Skelton to win the starting gig.


I never wavered on that. for all his faults, he needs reps. but whiz farked that up. Whiz believes he's going to have Warner v2.0 fall into his lap AGAIN.


I still think whiz is the right guy for the Cardinals (hell, we went to a superbowl) but the QB circus is a mess. At least we "lost out" on the bidding for Whitehurst to Seattle. I just don't see Kolb getting the job done. He's had the entire off season and he has happy feet back in the pocket. The team seems to rally around Skelton.

Hopefully things settle down, and a clear choice emerges.
 
2012-08-16 02:51:32 PM  

IAmRight: Smelly McUgly: I'm pretty sure they tried to win that game, but Fitzgerald and the fact that Tarvaris couldn't drive them past midfield in OT stopped that from happening.

Then I count that as another win, since we got a free draft pick out of the deal (since they traded the extra few spots they got from losing down, and picked up another couple draft picks).

Hopefully Jaye Howard or Jeremy Lane turn into something. Then basically what happened would be that we got those two players because of a Week 17 loss.


Howard is going to be a good one, I think. Lane is feisty, too. Carroll and Schneider have hit on almost every mid-rounder except for Kris Durham and EJ Wilson, so probably at least one of them turns out.
 
2012-08-16 02:51:53 PM  

LucklessWonder: Yeah. The only knock I have against JC is he has the slowest damned release I ever saw, which meant that he needed a solid line in front of him, and the 'Skins haven't had a decent O-line since 1991...


Yeah. I'm not imagining he would have been an mvp or anything but can you imagine being a young qb with dan snyder's redskins and his revolving door whacko shiat and you finally get out and where do you go? you go to al davis' raiders. No one deserves that.
 
2012-08-16 02:58:18 PM  

JohnBigBootay: HeathenHealer: As a Vikes fan i'm shocked, SHOCKED, that Tarvaris isn't starting in Seattle.

TJ ain't that bad. I don't get the constant knocks on the guy to be frank. There's 32 starters and 32 backups in the league. But everyone wants to have aaron rodgers with tom brady backing him up - anything less and it's 'he sucks!'.


I like the tiered method for active QBs. There is the Aaron Rodgers tier, featuring Aaron Rodgers, and there is everyone else tier.

//Snark aside, there are some QBs that could win with any team (Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc.), some that could win in the right situation (RBerger, Lesser Manning, etc.), some that would not win, no matter the situation (Kolb, Sexy Rexy, etc.), and the unknowns (Rookies, promoted backups).

If TJack was still with the Vikes, I would say he was going nowhere fast, but he did show some competence last year while playing hurt the whole season. I would upgrade him to unknown.
 
2012-08-16 03:00:53 PM  
As a Viking fan, I wished Jackson would have had some more consistency from coaching. He had some really promising games.

I hope he's able to play somewhere, but I'm not really hoping it's in Minnesota.
 
2012-08-16 03:03:31 PM  

This Looks Fun: As a Viking fan, I wished Jackson would have had some more consistency from coaching. He had some really promising games.

I hope he's able to play somewhere, but I'm not really hoping it's in Minnesota.


Well, Minnesota got rid of the main problem and I'd think Jackson would be better this time around, but it's just not the right fit for either side with Ponder there.
 
2012-08-16 03:04:44 PM  
You could get Jamarcus for much cheaper, and he'd be just as effective
 
2012-08-16 03:12:08 PM  

MugzyBrown: TJack is certainly not elite, but 3,000yds, 60% completion, 14td, 13int certainly isn't sucking. Especially when you consider that he did it with a trorn throwing pec.

In today's NFL those numbers suck. He's about the 20th best QB in a league with about 12-15 good QBs.


Remember, the NFL today is a league where a quarterback can throw for 5,000 yards and 40 touchdowns with only 16 interceptions and not be picked for the Pro Bowl... or be one of the first two alternates.

/Yes, I'm still mad, bro.
 
2012-08-16 03:14:42 PM  

Lost Thought 00: You could get Jamarcus for much cheaper, and he'd be just as effective


Man, would it take a long time to point out just how many ways you're wrong.
 
2012-08-16 03:18:46 PM  

seumasokelly: Lost Thought 00: You could get Jamarcus for much cheaper, and he'd be just as effective

Man, would it take a long time to point out just how many ways you're wrong.


The last time I something that wrong was steamingpile calling the 2012 Nationals pitching "poor"
 
2012-08-16 03:21:48 PM  

LucklessWonder: seumasokelly: Lost Thought 00: You could get Jamarcus for much cheaper, and he'd be just as effective

Man, would it take a long time to point out just how many ways you're wrong.

The last time I something that wrong was steamingpile calling the 2012 Nationals pitching "poor"


While calling the pitching on the best team in baseball "poor" is wrong, I have no idea what the front end of that statement was supposed to mean.
 
2012-08-16 03:28:17 PM  

seumasokelly: LucklessWonder: seumasokelly: Lost Thought 00: You could get Jamarcus for much cheaper, and he'd be just as effective

Man, would it take a long time to point out just how many ways you're wrong.

The last time I READ something that wrong was steamingpile calling the 2012 Nationals pitching "poor"

While calling the pitching on the best team in baseball "poor" is wrong, I have no idea what the front end of that statement was supposed to mean.


I accidentally the whole thing.
 
2012-08-16 03:46:06 PM  

mariner314: I still think whiz is the right guy for the Cardinals (hell, we went to a superbowl) but the QB circus is a mess. At least we "lost out" on the bidding for Whitehurst to Seattle. I just don't see Kolb getting the job done. He's had the entire off season and he has happy feet back in the pocket. The team seems to rally around Skelton.



to the QB fiasco that has remained a three-year joke under Whiz's watch.....am i the only person that remembers why / how Whiz got the job?

Arizona was seeking a coach to work with quarterback Matt Leinart, and Whisenhunt's development of Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh impressed the Cardinals' brass.

His work with quarterback Ben Roethlisberger helped him get the Cardinals job...."He has done a remarkable job in Pittsburgh, and he obviously had a big hand in grooming their quarterback and shaping him up into a Super Bowl winner," Graves said. 


and Whiz himself, as in my opinion, he feels the hot seat slowly increasing in temperature, will never hesitate to pat himself on the back with regard to how he "developed" Benny Roth.

so my question to every Cardinal fan who still wants to hang on to Whiz, is, if he was so farking awesome with "developing" Benny Roth, what of his tenure in Arizona? People forget, as I say, that had Matt Leinart not snapped his colarbone in half circa Week 5, Week 7 of the Super Bowl season, Warner -- who had been benched in favor of Leinart -- doesn't get a start (although Leinart had played shiatty that season so he would have been pulled).

Max Hall (draft)
Derek Anderson (FA bust)
Rich Bartel (the las vegas football league or UFL, whatever)
Brian St Pierre (FA, played with Whiz in Pittsburgh)
Kolb (disastrous trade)
Skelton (draft)
Ryan Lindley (draft)

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd we're supposedly considering T-Jack or McCoy. or drafting a QB in the 2013.

How many times do we make the same mistake, and then, keep giving Whiz the benefit of the doubt?
 
2012-08-16 03:51:06 PM  
How long before Russell Wilson takes over? Hope he gets a shot once Flynn is revealed to be a fraud.

/'Noles fan
//Kid can play
 
2012-08-16 03:52:35 PM  
Rod Graves is your problem, Ricky. He's pretty terrible at talent evaluation.
 
2012-08-16 03:56:38 PM  

LucklessWonder: The last time I something that wrong was steamingpile calling the 2012 Nationals pitching "poor"


Before that he said that Aaron Rodgers was an average QB who is only good because players are good around him. He's really on a whole 'nother level.
 
2012-08-16 04:03:26 PM  

rickythepenguin: and Whiz himself, as in my opinion, he feels the hot seat slowly increasing in temperature, will never hesitate to pat himself on the back with regard to how he "developed" Benny Roth.


He just forgot to teach the other guys how to be 6'5" 260 .lb brahma bulls who routinely complete passes with a couple of linebackers hanging off their back and legs. Roethlisberger wasn't 'developed'. He's a bit above average in qb skills but his size and strength make him somewhat unique thereby pushing him into the upper third of desirable qb's. I'm a steeler fan and I'm fine with that. A great qb can take an average team deep into the playoffs but you can win just fine with a 'good' qb if you do the other shiat right.
 
2012-08-16 04:05:02 PM  
It's like people are comparing dog shiat to cat shiat in here with the Kolb vs Jackson debate.
 
2012-08-16 04:06:06 PM  

IAmRight: Before that he said that Aaron Rodgers was an average QB who is only good because players are good around him. He's really on a whole 'nother level.


Oh come on. He had that inside info on the roethlisbeger scandal in georgia that time. I wonder if he ever made bail on that deal?
 
2012-08-16 04:06:07 PM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: How long before Russell Wilson takes over? Hope he gets a shot once Flynn is revealed to be a fraud.

/'Noles fan
//Kid can play


I'd say he'll sit this season, barring injury.
 
2012-08-16 04:06:34 PM  

rickythepenguin: mariner314: I still think whiz is the right guy for the Cardinals (hell, we went to a superbowl) but the QB circus is a mess. At least we "lost out" on the bidding for Whitehurst to Seattle. I just don't see Kolb getting the job done. He's had the entire off season and he has happy feet back in the pocket. The team seems to rally around Skelton.


to the QB fiasco that has remained a three-year joke under Whiz's watch.....am i the only person that remembers why / how Whiz got the job?

Arizona was seeking a coach to work with quarterback Matt Leinart, and Whisenhunt's development of Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh impressed the Cardinals' brass.

His work with quarterback Ben Roethlisberger helped him get the Cardinals job...."He has done a remarkable job in Pittsburgh, and he obviously had a big hand in grooming their quarterback and shaping him up into a Super Bowl winner," Graves said. 


and Whiz himself, as in my opinion, he feels the hot seat slowly increasing in temperature, will never hesitate to pat himself on the back with regard to how he "developed" Benny Roth.

so my question to every Cardinal fan who still wants to hang on to Whiz, is, if he was so farking awesome with "developing" Benny Roth, what of his tenure in Arizona? People forget, as I say, that had Matt Leinart not snapped his colarbone in half circa Week 5, Week 7 of the Super Bowl season, Warner -- who had been benched in favor of Leinart -- doesn't get a start (although Leinart had played shiatty that season so he would have been pulled).

Max Hall (draft)
Derek Anderson (FA bust)
Rich Bartel (the las vegas football league or UFL, whatever)
Brian St Pierre (FA, played with Whiz in Pittsburgh)
Kolb (disastrous trade)
Skelton (draft)
Ryan Lindley (draft)

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd we're supposedly considering T-Jack or McCoy. or drafting a QB in the 2013.

How many times do we make the same mistake, and then, keep giving Whiz the benefit of the doubt?



No, you are not the only one that remembers. I'm actually more of a "Team Todd Haley" guy. I think he was the real reason (and Warner) that we had a superbowl run.

Max Hall was an Undrafted free agent ;-)
 
2012-08-16 04:09:36 PM  

4NSpy: It's like people are comparing dog shiat to cat shiat in here with the Kolb vs Jackson debate.


I don't think that's fair. there's like 96 qb roster spots in the nfl. It's the guys we don't know who are at the dog and cat shiat level. These guys are more like the oatmeal and cauliflower of the nfl. I won't look forward to it but it will keep me alive and won't make me puke.
 
2012-08-16 04:17:00 PM  

JohnBigBootay: 4NSpy: It's like people are comparing dog shiat to cat shiat in here with the Kolb vs Jackson debate.

I don't think that's fair. there's like 96 qb roster spots in the nfl. It's the guys we don't know who are at the dog and cat shiat level. These guys are more like the oatmeal and cauliflower of the nfl. I won't look forward to it but it will keep me alive and won't make me puke.


Ha!

Or like a Ford Escort vs. a Chevy Cavalier.
 
2012-08-16 04:21:28 PM  

mariner314: Max Hall was an Undrafted free agent ;-)



Huh. google could settle it easily but i thought we drafted him late?

ugh. so depressing. so very, very depressing.

T-Jack and or Colt McCoy are the way out of the mess? either one likely costs draft picks. Especially now that each team knows the players are commodities.

YEAH BURN MORE DRAFT PICKS, ROD GRAVES.

/idiots. i should be the Cards GM.
 
2012-08-16 04:22:27 PM  
People are talking about Colt McCoy.
 
2012-08-16 04:24:03 PM  

El Brujo: Or like a Ford Escort vs. a Chevy Cavalier.


Exactly. These guys are middling quality used cars with a decent amount of miles on them, not rusting yugos on blocks. It's not always pretty but the nfl needs some escorts and cavaliers.
 
2012-08-16 04:41:08 PM  
It must be a sign of the times that these conversations are all taking place with no mention of anyone who would just be like a kid out there.

You know.

The one that I don't want to mention because I'm so happy that nobody has mentioned him.

Yeah. That's right. Him.
 
2012-08-16 04:44:47 PM  

Pardon Me Sultan: It must be a sign of the times


It's a sign of the times that we are farking junkies still trying to sweat out the lack of football. Personally I am ready to start the season about two months ago. I swear to god I would kill to see, oh, I don't know, a Browns/Rams game. I'd watch every second with delight.
 
2012-08-16 04:54:12 PM  

JohnBigBootay:
It's a sign of the times that we are farking junkies still trying to sweat out the lack of football. Personally I am ready to start the season about two months ago. I swear to god I would kill to see, oh, I don't know, a Browns/Rams game. I'd watch every second with delight.


Me too.

Read the Browns article up the sports tab if you haven't. Brilliant.
 
2012-08-16 05:08:10 PM  

El Brujo: Read the Browns article up the sports tab if you haven't. Brilliant.


Heh. That's pretty good. Some of the fan comments were priceless. As seattleite it's weird to see such vitriol for Holmgren. But you know what? if the Browns were my team, I'd stick with them. I hope their fans stay loyal. One day they will win and it will be like the most delicious thing ever.
 
2012-08-16 05:19:38 PM  
The interesting thing over the past couple of weeks has been McNabb hanging out at my gym pretty much every day in Tempe. I know he lives out here, but he's probably just biding his time and waiting for Arizona to go in to full panic mode.
 
2012-08-16 05:27:28 PM  
Some guy at the pub was trying to argue that Tavaris Jackson was never given a chance, and if only he would have gotten more starts, he could have been good. I laughed in his face.
 
2012-08-16 06:17:06 PM  

DevilsHorns J: The interesting thing over the past couple of weeks has been McNabb hanging out at my gym pretty much every day in Tempe. I know he lives out here, but he's probably just biding his time and waiting for Arizona to go in to full panic mode.


what do you guys have an all you can eat buffet or something?
 
2012-08-16 06:26:08 PM  

DevilsHorns J: The interesting thing over the past couple of weeks has been McNabb hanging out at my gym pretty much every day in Tempe. I know he lives out here, but he's probably just biding his time and waiting for Arizona to go in to full panic mode.



Huh. I used to see Ed Hochuli there pretty regualrly....and a host of MLB players during spring training.

My wife saw Ice-T there about a month ago. Another friend a day or so later did Zumba / Zoombah with CoCo. said to my wife, "her butt is AMAZING!"

/codename: gym behind Ikea
 
2012-08-16 06:28:15 PM  
Jackson won't work in Arizona. They're a dome team and they need a dome QB that can air it out and throw, reliably, 30+ times a game. You know, like Kurt Warner. They made an attempt at Peyton, but their o-line is a little more porous than Denver's. Skelton did alright and might be capable of further development. Go with him. He's got a better upside than Tavaris.
 
2012-08-16 07:07:52 PM  
Big problem with him was his QB rating on 3rd Down, it was in the low 60s.
 
2012-08-16 07:24:05 PM  
Hey, Derek, did you hear that the cards were thinking of bringing you back in?
cdn.bleacherreport.net
Just kidding, the Cards traded for TJack.
m.brobible.com 
Do you think that's funny?
mt.nesn.com
 
2012-08-16 11:44:55 PM  

mariner314: I'm still rooting for John Skelton to win the starting gig.



I'm rooting for Ryan Lindley, but only because I'm an SDSU fan, and he was farking AMAZING and set all kinds of school records at the QB position...plus it'd be dope to see him and DeMarco Sampson connecting on 80-yard pass plays like they did in college.

and....
Just because I'm a big ol' SDSU freak, here's their current NFL'ers:
Russell Allen, LB, Jacksonville Jaguars
Antwan Applewhite, DE, Carolina Panthers
Aaron Brewer, C, Denver Broncos
Vincent Brown, WR, San Diego Chargers
Miles Burris, LB, Oakland Raiders
Brandyn Dombrowski, T, San Diego Chargers
Tommie Draheim, C, Green Bay Packers
Heath Farwell, LB, Seattle Seahawks
Ronnie Hillman, RB, Denver Broncos
Ryan Lindley, QB, Arizona Cardinals
Jerome Long, DT, Kansas City Chiefs
Lance Louis, G, Chicago Bears
Matthew McCoy, LB, Seattle Seahawks
Kirk Morrison, LB, Buffalo Bills
Kevin O'Connell, QB, San Diego Chargers
Larry Parker, DB, Arizona Cardinals
William Robinson, T, Jacksonville Jaguars
DeMarco Sampson, WR, Arizona Cardinals
Chaz Schilens, WR, New York Jets
Brian Stahovich, P, Indianapolis Colts
Brett Swain, WR, San Francisco 49ers
Roberto Wallace, WR, Miami Dolphins
 
2012-08-17 12:25:31 AM  

farbekrieg: DevilsHorns J: The interesting thing over the past couple of weeks has been McNabb hanging out at my gym pretty much every day in Tempe. I know he lives out here, but he's probably just biding his time and waiting for Arizona to go in to full panic mode.

what do you guys have an all you can eat buffet or something?


Actually, the dude's in really good shape. I was shocked when I saw him- I figured he'd be up to a good 280 or so by now.

rickythepenguin: DevilsHorns J: The interesting thing over the past couple of weeks has been McNabb hanging out at my gym pretty much every day in Tempe. I know he lives out here, but he's probably just biding his time and waiting for Arizona to go in to full panic mode.


Huh. I used to see Ed Hochuli there pretty regualrly....and a host of MLB players during spring training.

My wife saw Ice-T there about a month ago. Another friend a day or so later did Zumba / Zoombah with CoCo. said to my wife, "her butt is AMAZING!"

/codename: gym behind Ikea


That would be the one. And my wife said the exact same thing about Coco after their Zumba class.
 
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