The end of this episode was like getting punched in the stomach. Best show on TV.

That was preeety, preeety, preeety terrible.

And now I had better clean the soda off of this monitor.

All Landry had to do was give the kid his Giving Tree speech and he would have gone mad.

I enjoyed that more than I should have.

I love recycled reddit!

I don't think the kid is dead. Walt is going to realize this in the next episode(possibly the one after), and the "unforgivable act" is him endorsing the murder of a child to cover his back.

Tis my guess.

Also Todd is totes DEA. I think he shot the kid on the side of the helmet on purpose to make it look like he killed the kid, as well as keep suspicion off him. It's all part of the plan to make Jesse, Walt, Mike, and Saul turn on each other.

akula: I'm expecting the betrayal to come from Jesse

Same here. I figured that he would somehow find out about the poisoning, and say that enough is enough.

/chuckled at the video

ftfa

"While I leave the hard-hitting Heisenberg & Friends coverage to Cajun Boy, Josh, and Dustin, fan-made alternate endings and I go together like Saul Goodman and horrific plane crashes so I'm all over this simple yet splendid creation from YouTuber TheRealLarryDavid1. I'm not sure where he saw the Curb correlation (if I was a YouTube editor I don't think I could resist making a Landry-Tyra tie-in) but the guy does have Larry David in his handle, so that probably has something to do with it."

Did reading that paragraph make anyone else's brain hurt?

Video was funny though.

Strategeryz0r: I don't think the kid is dead. Walt is going to realize this in the next episode(possibly the one after), and the "unforgivable act" is him endorsing the murder of a child to cover his back.

Tis my guess.

Also Todd is totes DEA. I think he shot the kid on the side of the helmet on purpose to make it look like he killed the kid, as well as keep suspicion off him. It's all part of the plan to make Jesse, Walt, Mike, and Saul turn on each other.

I'm pretty sure you can very briefly see a bullet hole in the back of the kid's jacket as he falls off the bike.

Not saying whether he's dead or alive, but I'm pretty sure Todd didn't just wing his helmet.

Sandor at the Zoo: Strategeryz0r: I don't think the kid is dead. Walt is going to realize this in the next episode(possibly the one after), and the "unforgivable act" is him endorsing the murder of a child to cover his back.

Tis my guess.

Also Todd is totes DEA. I think he shot the kid on the side of the helmet on purpose to make it look like he killed the kid, as well as keep suspicion off him. It's all part of the plan to make Jesse, Walt, Mike, and Saul turn on each other.

I'm pretty sure you can very briefly see a bullet hole in the back of the kid's jacket as he falls off the bike.

Not saying whether he's dead or alive, but I'm pretty sure Todd didn't just wing his helmet.

I'll have to rewatch it. I thought I saw the bullet clip the kids helmet. Plus others pointed out that Todd closes his eyes before pulling the trigger, seemingly indicating an intention to miss.

Strategeryz0r: I'll have to rewatch it. I thought I saw the bullet clip the kids helmet. Plus others pointed out that Todd closes his eyes before pulling the trigger, seemingly indicating an intention to miss.

Well, if he closed his eyes intending to miss, then the kid wouldn't have fallen off the bike. And if he was just trying to graze him, he wouldn't have intentionally shut his eyes, 'cause it's gotta require more aim to graze someone than to just plant one right in their chest.

There's a bunch of parallels between "the kid's dead vs. the kid's not dead" and "Jesse shot Gale vs. Jesse didn't shoot Gale".

kid deserved it, torturing tarantulas.

What I loved was the foreshadowing. When Walt leaves the house with a shovel, Skyler asks him if he's going out to bury a body. Turns out, he'd be doing that with it after all.

My guess is that the series is going to come down to a intense struggle within Hank, in that he is going to find out about Walt, and have to choose between throwing the book at him, or joining forces with him.

I think that Walt is setting this up by buying cars and watches, so that when this moment does come, he will be able to show Hank how profitable it has been for him. To have the someone in the DEA on your side, you would be able to make a vast fortune.

So either Hank joins up to create an empire, or he takes the whole operation down. I'm rooting for the former.

Oh and that biatch Skyler gets a set of cement shoes for her long walk off a short pier.

NeoCortex42: Todd being Madrigal, DEA, or cartel would be a pretty big thing for Mike to miss.

I don't think Todd is an agent for anyone. The Three Amigos only used Vamonos Pest after an extensive search for cooking options. In order for Todd to be a plant, someone would have had to predict that a) Walt/Mike/Jesse or someone was going to be cooking again (far from an obvious scenario, as it's arguably beyond retarded to start pumping out blue meth immediately after the spectacular assassination of a regional drug kingpin and the associated heat), and b) the operation would have used Walt's wacky "cooking in tented houses" plan, which he arrived at on his own with no prodding from Saul or anyone else.

Todd, in all likelihood, is simply a young psycopath who doesn't have a record as such because he's young and hasn't had a chance to plug a bunch of kids yet. And there's enough terrible consequences that will be coming from the end of Dead Freight without Todd being some sort of covert agent.

Strategeryz0r: Sandor at the Zoo: Strategeryz0r: I don't think the kid is dead. Walt is going to realize this in the next episode(possibly the one after), and the "unforgivable act" is him endorsing the murder of a child to cover his back.

Tis my guess.

Also Todd is totes DEA. I think he shot the kid on the side of the helmet on purpose to make it look like he killed the kid, as well as keep suspicion off him. It's all part of the plan to make Jesse, Walt, Mike, and Saul turn on each other.

I'm pretty sure you can very briefly see a bullet hole in the back of the kid's jacket as he falls off the bike.

Not saying whether he's dead or alive, but I'm pretty sure Todd didn't just wing his helmet.

I'll have to rewatch it. I thought I saw the bullet clip the kids helmet. Plus others pointed out that Todd closes his eyes before pulling the trigger, seemingly indicating an intention to miss.

Yes and Jessie didn't kill Gale either because the gun wasn't aimed at Gale.

Karma Chameleon: Strategeryz0r: Sandor at the Zoo: Strategeryz0r: I don't think the kid is dead. Walt is going to realize this in the next episode(possibly the one after), and the "unforgivable act" is him endorsing the murder of a child to cover his back.

Tis my guess.

Also Todd is totes DEA. I think he shot the kid on the side of the helmet on purpose to make it look like he killed the kid, as well as keep suspicion off him. It's all part of the plan to make Jesse, Walt, Mike, and Saul turn on each other.

I'm pretty sure you can very briefly see a bullet hole in the back of the kid's jacket as he falls off the bike.

Not saying whether he's dead or alive, but I'm pretty sure Todd didn't just wing his helmet.

I'll have to rewatch it. I thought I saw the bullet clip the kids helmet. Plus others pointed out that Todd closes his eyes before pulling the trigger, seemingly indicating an intention to miss.

Yes and Jessie didn't kill Gale either because the gun wasn't aimed at Gale.

Except for Fring's henchman who verified Gale was dead, the cops who took the body away, the coroner who validated he was gone.

The whole Jessie didn't kill Gale thing was blown out of the water real quick, and anyone who still thinks that didn't pay much attention to the show, or the conversations that occured afterward. Too many organizations validated the death.

The kid, on the other hand, hasn't been confirmed to be dead yet. All we know is Todd shot him, so there's loads of room for speculation still.

Todd isn't an agent for anyone.

NeoCortex42: Wellon Dowd: Why doesn't Skyler turn Walt in in exchange for immunity?

I think there's a couple reasons. She is worried about her kids and doesn't want Jr. to deal with finding out his dad's a drug kingpin and his mom was having an affair. There's also the issue of Hank. If Skylar turned in Walt, Hank would possibly be outed just as quickly as his former boss was.

She also liked the money. She turns Walt in, she loses the money, the car wash and probably the house.

retarded: Todd isn't an agent for anyone.

I don't know. I did find it kind of odd that he was asking so many questions about why they needed the water and how they were going to pull off the theft. And I found it even dumber that Walt and Jesse would go into such detail explaining their plan to him when he was a hired hand.

Cagey B: NeoCortex42: Todd being Madrigal, DEA, or cartel would be a pretty big thing for Mike to miss.

I don't think Todd is an agent for anyone. The Three Amigos only used Vamonos Pest after an extensive search for cooking options. In order for Todd to be a plant, someone would have had to predict that a) Walt/Mike/Jesse or someone was going to be cooking again (far from an obvious scenario, as it's arguably beyond retarded to start pumping out blue meth immediately after the spectacular assassination of a regional drug kingpin and the associated heat), and b) the operation would have used Walt's wacky "cooking in tented houses" plan, which he arrived at on his own with no prodding from Saul or anyone else.

Todd, in all likelihood, is simply a young psycopath who doesn't have a record as such because he's young and hasn't had a chance to plug a bunch of kids yet. And there's enough terrible consequences that will be coming from the end of Dead Freight without Todd being some sort of covert agent.

Put like that, you're totally right. Todd wasn't the new guy or anything strange either when they introduced the Vamanos Pest guys.

If he was with Madrigal you would think Mike would know, and that's a lot of foresight for Madrigal to have.

Still methinks Todd plays a big part in Heisenbergs downfall.

ongbok: retarded: Todd isn't an agent for anyone.

I don't know. I did find it kind of odd that he was asking so many questions about why they needed the water and how they were going to pull off the theft. And I found it even dumber that Walt and Jesse would go into such detail explaining their plan to him when he was a hired hand.

Well, somebody had to stand in for the audience so we could get an explanation of what's up. Besides, I think it fit their characters (especially Walt) and the pride and desire to show off their clever plan.

Cagey B: NeoCortex42: Todd being Madrigal, DEA, or cartel would be a pretty big thing for Mike to miss.

I don't think Todd is an agent for anyone. The Three Amigos only used Vamonos Pest after an extensive search for cooking options. In order for Todd to be a plant, someone would have had to predict that a) Walt/Mike/Jesse or someone was going to be cooking again (far from an obvious scenario, as it's arguably beyond retarded to start pumping out blue meth immediately after the spectacular assassination of a regional drug kingpin and the associated heat), and b) the operation would have used Walt's wacky "cooking in tented houses" plan, which he arrived at on his own with no prodding from Saul or anyone else.

Todd, in all likelihood, is simply a young psycopath who doesn't have a record as such because he's young and hasn't had a chance to plug a bunch of kids yet. And there's enough terrible consequences that will be coming from the end of Dead Freight without Todd being some sort of covert agent.

I don't think Todd is an agent either, but the way to run that storyline is that he is FBI or a local LEO undercover hoping to bust the Vamanos group and their seemingly far-reaching B&E endeavors. Then he trips onto something much bigger.

Sandor at the Zoo: ongbok: retarded: Todd isn't an agent for anyone.

I don't know. I did find it kind of odd that he was asking so many questions about why they needed the water and how they were going to pull off the theft. And I found it even dumber that Walt and Jesse would go into such detail explaining their plan to him when he was a hired hand.

Well, somebody had to stand in for the audience so we could get an explanation of what's up. Besides, I think it fit their characters (especially Walt) and the pride and desire to show off their clever plan.

Agreed. I brushed it off as pride when they were spilling the plan to Todd. Even the smug look on the faces of Walt & Jesse were in line with this being the case.

Karma Chameleon: Strategeryz0r: Sandor at the Zoo: Strategeryz0r: I don't think the kid is dead. Walt is going to realize this in the next episode(possibly the one after), and the "unforgivable act" is him endorsing the murder of a child to cover his back.

Tis my guess.

Also Todd is totes DEA. I think he shot the kid on the side of the helmet on purpose to make it look like he killed the kid, as well as keep suspicion off him. It's all part of the plan to make Jesse, Walt, Mike, and Saul turn on each other.

I'm pretty sure you can very briefly see a bullet hole in the back of the kid's jacket as he falls off the bike.

Not saying whether he's dead or alive, but I'm pretty sure Todd didn't just wing his helmet.

I'll have to rewatch it. I thought I saw the bullet clip the kids helmet. Plus others pointed out that Todd closes his eyes before pulling the trigger, seemingly indicating an intention to miss.

Yes and Jessie didn't kill Gale either because the gun wasn't aimed at Gale.

That. Geez where do these tools get this crap? Seriously folks, have a little more faith in Vince Gilligan. "Todd is DEA and he only shot the kid to wing him"? He's not going to put in a twist that retarded.

Todd is working for the DEA or Madrigal??? *facepalm* Some of you really overanalyze things.

D-Liver: My guess is that the series is going to come down to a intense struggle within Hank, in that he is going to find out about Walt, and have to choose between throwing the book at him, or joining forces with him.

I say no to that. And the reason why is that Hank has a blog

And just one of the outtakes: I'm sure that's what this guy (speaking about Mike) was thinking, way back. He'd make some cash doing what he does for the guys on the other side. But that's what makes a day like today so satisfying. Free-lapdance-from-a-stripper-with-real-knockers-who-gives-you-her-num ber-after-and-answers-when-you-call satisfying. Once in a lifetime, y'know?

That doesn't sound like someone that'll sunddenly jump ship and throw in with the dealers

I think it's already been pointed out that Todd did some work for the group couple seasons ago, so he's a sort of a recurring character. If he was an agent, then his agency would've had a ridiculously good foresight to plant him there very early on.

What really bugs me is, how did they know the traincar with the precursor in it would stop exactly on the bridge? Here's what I know:

1) Jesse measures the track from the railroad crossing to the bridge.
2) Then the lady calls Walt to let him know which traincar will have the chemical in it, but not before Jesse measured the track.
3) The hoses they had at the scene were long enough for only one or two traincar lengths away from the bridge.

That's the only thing that drives me nuts, unless someone can explain it?

Fallout Zone: but the way to run that storyline is that he is FBI or a local LEO undercover hoping to bust the Vamanos group and their seemingly far-reaching B&E endeavors. Then he trips onto something much bigger.

I know that's not what you're advocating, but that would be pretty sloppy writing to me. No way the FBI plants an undercover agent for a bunch of house burglars, and I doubt a local police force has the kind of resources to do that, and I also doubt they'd care enough.

Also, I have a very hard time believing an LEO of any sort is going to shoot a kid. Or at a kid. Or near a kid. Or attempt a weird, pointless circus-style trick shot.

I don't think Todd's a psycho or anything.

Walter and Jesse very sternly told Todd that no one can know about the train robbery. No one. Todd took this very seriously, and probably interpreted to mean that there could be no witness. I think he shot the kid on an implied order from Walter.

Kornchex: ongbok: retarded: Todd isn't an agent for anyone.

I don't know. I did find it kind of odd that he was asking so many questions about why they needed the water and how they were going to pull off the theft. And I found it even dumber that Walt and Jesse would go into such detail explaining their plan to him when he was a hired hand.

Plot device for the audience. They were explaining it to us.

Maybe, but I think it would make more since for them to explain the plan with that much detail to Mike to get him on board with the plan, and not a hired hand. I don't think Todd is an agent for anybody, but I think he was probing them for details because he was going to use what he knows as leverage later to get something from them and having them explain the plan to him in such detail sets that up. It also shows how untouchable Walt thinks he has become to lay out their plan to somebody outside of the circle like that.

Wellon Dowd: Why doesn't Skyler turn Walt in in exchange for immunity?

I think she doesn't want to break Junior's heart. She also probably wouldn't get total immunity, given her crimes. And come to think of it, I'm not sure she's allowed to testify against him being married to him.

ongbok: Kornchex: ongbok: retarded: Todd isn't an agent for anyone.

I don't know. I did find it kind of odd that he was asking so many questions about why they needed the water and how they were going to pull off the theft. And I found it even dumber that Walt and Jesse would go into such detail explaining their plan to him when he was a hired hand.

Plot device for the audience. They were explaining it to us.

Maybe, but I think it would make more since for them to explain the plan with that much detail to Mike to get him on board with the plan, and not a hired hand. I don't think Todd is an agent for anybody, but I think he was probing them for details because he was going to use what he knows as leverage later to get something from them and having them explain the plan to him in such detail sets that up. It also shows how untouchable Walt thinks he has become to lay out their plan to somebody outside of the circle like that.

This is stupid. Even if they didn't explain the plan to Todd, he would've figured it out anyway since he has a role in the heist. It was a 5-man job, and the most important part was having someone experienced who could climb to the top and unbolt the hatch fast enough. The explanation was just a plot device for the audience. I think the people here are way over-analyzing the Todd angle.

The Banana Thug: I don't think Todd's a psycho or anything.

Walter and Jesse very sternly told Todd that no one can know about the train robbery. No one. Todd took this very seriously, and probably interpreted to mean that there could be no witness. I think he shot the kid on an implied order from Walter.

And I don't think Walt's going to be all that mad about it, either, though he'll put on a good show for Jesse and Mike.