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(Balloon Juice)   On Tuesday, Soledad O'Brien insulted a Romney spokesman by pointing out he was full of shiat. Well, she went on TV yesterday and apolog - wait, strike that. She pointed out again how full of shiat he was   (balloon-juice.com) divider line 36
    More: Followup, Soledad O'Brien, John Sununu, soylent greens, second shift, romney  
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2012-08-16 11:39:09 AM
8 votes:
Good. For. Her.

Every news org should be treating lies in this fashion.
2012-08-16 01:15:51 PM
5 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Wow. I just watched the initial video and my god, the man really didn't have anything other than a talking point to continue repeating. He's clearly not used to having them debunked right in his face. You can see him looking dejected while she tears into him.


For a second, you almost expect Sununu to say, "this is outrageous. I'm a politician; we're allowed to lie and you're not supposed to make a big deal abou it."

It wouldn't be a new tactic for people like him. Remember when Scooter Libby broke multiple federal criminal statutes in defending the Bush administration against charges of fraudulently ginning up support for the Iraq war? Enablers claimed that prosecuting Libby would essentially be "criminalizing politics."

These people seriously believe that lying is a perfectly legitimate political strategy...and any news organization or prosecutor who denies them that "right" isn't playing fair.
2012-08-16 11:30:55 AM
4 votes:

DamnYankees: Wow, its like actual journalism or something.


And it won't matter in the slightest. The people who are smart enough to see through the lies aren't going to vote GOP, and the people who aren't will attack anything that doesn't agree with them. The CBO will be a mouthpiece of George Soros, world-renown economists (liberal and conservative alike) will be communist conspirators, and confirmation bias will once again put the entire country at risk of economic meltdown.
2012-08-16 11:32:22 AM
3 votes:
And the GOP shills will go on every other 'news' show, spout off the exact same lie, and the interviewer will let it slide without blinking an eye.
2012-08-16 07:54:40 PM
2 votes:

Buffalo77: Thrag


Buffalo77: Yeah, I will live or die by what I say because I don't spout bullshiat like you do for you own petty political purposes.

It takes balls to make such an obviously false claim directly underneath the posts that show that you were just spouting bullshiat.


Let me ask you something Thrag, you seem like you have some knowledge about medicare reimbursement. Since the point of my original post was to point out that Medicare/medicaid does not reimburse to cover the actual cost of a procedure and that cutting 1/3 of the medicare budget will further cut reimbusements to healthcare providers thereby affecting service, How is that bullshiat..


Because when I go to the hospital and get treated, I get charged twice as much as it should actually cost. This isn't because hospitals are greedy, it's because so many unisnsured people go to the ER and can't pay. The price for my treatment includes their share.

The theory of the ACA is, hospitals now won't have many uninsured patients, and those that remain will be covered by a government non-insured fund. Imagine if every person that walked through the doors that was uninsured had insurance or Medicaid instead. Think about how much money that would bring in. Think about how much less you would have to charge your patients who were already paying. The ACA estimate is that you'd see the same number of patients and the same total revenue. However, instead of Medicaid and insured patients being charged a staggering amount, their charges would be 2/3 of what they would be if not for ACA.

You shouldn't have to guess. Your or the Bishop should be able to see how much was written off due to inability to pay. See if it exceeds the amount of the cuts Medicare would make. I'm willing to wager that it does.
2012-08-16 06:13:43 PM
2 votes:

Buffalo77: We have a gamma knife that is used for treatment of brain tumors. Its like a laser that precisely target the tumor and is the most advanced method for treating the tumor. It literally targets only the diseased tissue. This is in contrast to the linear accelerator which throws a wide beam of radiation at the tumor and you use lead shielding around the head to block the radiation to healthy tissue. Yeah, medicare don't pay for the gamma knife.


The Gamma Knife is not an experimental procedure. More than 100,000 procedures have been performed and it is recognized by most insurance carriers including Medicare.

Medicare will definitely cover Gamma Knife radiosurgery for patients with brain metastasis.

Gamma Knife radiosurgery is reimbursed by most insurance companies, PPOs, HMOs and Medicare.

It's reimbursed by most insurance companies, PPOs, HMOs and Medicare.
2012-08-16 05:50:51 PM
2 votes:

The Dog Ate The Constitution: sprawl15: The Dog Ate The Constitution: Are you messing with me? You said Read the last sentence like this: "In total, CBO estimates that repealing [Obamacare] would increase net federal spending by $711 billion over the 2013-2022 period.", which is wrong. The removal of ONLY the Medicare and other federal program provisions increase spending by $711 billion.

You really don't know how context works, do you? I'll reword it, because I assumed you weren't a semi-literate troglodyte:

"In total, CBO estimates that repealing [Obamacare] would increase net federal spending by $711 billion over the 2013-2022 period [FOR THE THING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, AND NOT OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT]."

You have some serious anger issues. I hope you don't go shooting anybody who disagrees with your political opinions.


He's not angry. He's just frustrated at your stupidity.
2012-08-16 05:00:31 PM
2 votes:
I really do think the coddling they get on Fox is hurting the average Republican shill's ability to appear reasonable on regular TV.

Wow, that's one of the most awesome sentences I've ever read, sums it up perfectly.
2012-08-16 04:35:10 PM
2 votes:

The Dog Ate The Constitution: Text of Paragraph
"Many of the other provisions that would be repealed by enacting H.R. 6079 affect spending for Medicare, Medicaid, and other federal programs. The ACA made numerous changes to payment rates and payment rules in those programs, established a voluntary federal program for long-term care insurance through the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports (CLASS) provisions, and made certain other changes to federal health programs. In total, CBO estimates that repealing those provisions would increase net federal spending by $711 billion over the 2013-2022 period. (Those budgetary effects are summarized in Table 1.)"

If repealing the changes to Medicare and other federal programs nets $711 billion dollars, wouldn't that mean that the money was removed, "cut", from those various programs? In that sense, isn't OBrien wrong?


H.R. 6079 is the Obamacare repeal. Read the last sentence like this: "In total, CBO estimates that repealing [Obamacare] would increase net federal spending by $711 billion over the 2013-2022 period."

Now, what SunnO))) is arguing is that the Obamacare spending reduction comes from cutting benefits. I.e., that Grandma gets a smaller check or lower health care access. The reductions don't come from cutting benefits, they come from things like reducing Medicare payments to hospitals that provide shiatty service and run high re-admittance rates. If they improve their service and reduce their re-admittance rates, they get paid better and end up lowering health care costs indirectly by reducing the burden on hospital resources.
2012-08-16 04:10:40 PM
2 votes:
I'd fark her
2012-08-16 02:48:19 PM
2 votes:
Dear Romney campaign,

Please keep putting John Sununu on camera.

Sincerely,

An Obama supporter
2012-08-16 02:22:22 PM
2 votes:
Remember kids, a long-term reduction in growth or savings is the exact same thing as an immediate budget cut. But only when Democrats do it, and specifically to Medicare only. For virtually every other program, it's exactly how the GOP claims it will pay for more tax cuts everytime.
2012-08-16 02:11:22 PM
2 votes:

DamnYankees: Wow, its like actual journalism or something.


That was my thought, too.

Karac: Dinki: And the GOP shills will go on every other 'news' show, spout off the exact same lie, and the interviewer will let it slide without blinking an eye.

And they'll toss in Soledad as an example of how the mainstream media is unfairly biased against bullshiat.


It's time for good journalists to take a stand. This Soledad had me smiling from ear to ear to see a journalist doing their due diligence and calling a lie. Don't be afraid of their slander- just keep doing the right thing, and people will notice.

Having said that, the media is all owned by a few large conglomerates who only care about turning a profit. Less and less news, more and more sensationalism.
2012-08-16 02:02:08 PM
2 votes:

dletter: anyone not toeing the line is a filthy commie.


Personally, as a filthy commie I hate being bunched together with those Democratic twat-waffles.
2012-08-16 01:59:17 PM
2 votes:
And there is John Sununu saying the exact point of any rebuttal of any republican talking point.....

O'Brien: "There is independent analysis of what this is about"
Sununu: "No there isn't!"
O'Brien: "Yes there is"
Sununu: "No, there's democratic analysis"

Basically, if anything isn't a talking point of the GOP, it is something from the "far left, liberal, evil democrats". There are no "independents" in GOP eyes.... anyone not toeing the line is a filthy commie.
2012-08-16 01:28:32 PM
2 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Have no fear - the greatest thinker in the modern GOP has already crafted a ready-made response:

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations, then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."


So the greatest threat to the First Amendment is the First Amendment?
2012-08-16 12:16:20 PM
2 votes:
Wow. I just watched the initial video and my god, the man really didn't have anything other than a talking point to continue repeating. He's clearly not used to having them debunked right in his face. You can see him looking dejected while she tears into him.
2012-08-16 11:06:39 AM
2 votes:
Wow, its like actual journalism or something.
2012-08-16 10:49:02 PM
1 votes:
I think the media is just getting sick of Republican bullshiat. Think about it: for all the pandering the media does, they'll always be the 'mainstream liberal media.' They're always going to be demonized and made fun of, then told to kiss the asses of bags of shiat like John Snuwhatever. It's the lousiest job in the world. You're a sucker no matter if you play ball with the Republicans or not.

At this point, the media should just bury the Republicans and report the lies. Why the hell do they have to lose? More access to stuff that can't be told? More lies that will just be written off as shiatty reporting by wealthy motherfarkers who don't like being held accountable? Honestly, the media has a lot of healing to do on their own behalf and kowtowing to a bunch of no-necked and dickless asshats like the Republicans does them no favors. You want ratings? Gut the Republican Party as a real media should have done years ago.
2012-08-16 06:49:37 PM
1 votes:

Buffalo77: Does that invalidate the fact that the reimbursement from medicare does not cover the cost to provide the service in this 12 million dollar facility.


Either you're using it for stupid reasons or you need to fire whoever is dealing with Medicare.

Your company's employees being retarded is not the government's problem.
2012-08-16 06:38:19 PM
1 votes:
2012-08-16 06:35:33 PM
1 votes:

Buffalo77: We have a gamma knife Cyberknife that is used for treatment of brain tumors. Its like a laser that precisely target the tumor and is the most advanced method for treating the tumor. It literally targets only the diseased tissue. This is in contrast to the linear accelerator which throws a wide beam of radiation at the tumor and you use lead shielding around the head to block the radiation to healthy tissue. Yeah, medicare don't pay for the gamma knife Cyberknife.


Which is still bullshiat.

"While Accuray cannot guarantee reimbursement from any third-party payer, data collected from US-based CyberKnife centers indicate that Medicare has covered the CyberKnife treatment, and over 100 unique commercial, private payers are reimbursing the related codes, and any or all portions of CyberKnife services. Patients should always consult with a physician in connection with any and all treatment options, and if required, obtain prior authorization from their insurance companies once a treatment option is determined."
2012-08-16 04:47:41 PM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: seems like it isn't much more insightful but it is not.

"Again, Sununu is basically right. If repealing health care reform raises federal spending by $711 billion, he infers that health care reform cuts Medicare by the same amount."

Let's say you live in old house.


Better example. You have a $100 food budget, and food prices keep going up. The Obama plan would reduce your spending by $10 by going to a cheaper store. Sununu looks at this and claims that you're simply buying 10% less food, thus 'gutting' your food budget.
2012-08-16 04:35:52 PM
1 votes:

The Why Not Guy: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 320x190]


She looks like she's about to say "U mad, bro?"
2012-08-16 04:32:37 PM
1 votes:

imontheinternet: Exactly. And they aren't even actual cuts. The $700b is a reduction in projected increases.


If you use a coupon at the grocery store, you are slashing food benefits for your family.
2012-08-16 04:25:53 PM
1 votes:
Sununu is a big piece of shat,



/NH resident.
2012-08-16 04:15:54 PM
1 votes:

Shrugging Atlas: Diogenes: I wish Sununu would learn how to be a decent human being.

He could start by learning how to dress himself for a tv interview. It looks like he slept in those clothes and woke up 2 minutes before he went on the air.


Is he a booze hound? Cause it looks like he's wearing the uniform.
2012-08-16 04:09:36 PM
1 votes:
Did some actual reporting slip past the corporate overlords at CNN? What are they going to do if this inspires other reporters to do their jobs for the first time in a decade or so?
2012-08-16 04:08:46 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: DamnYankees: Wow, its like actual journalism or something.

That was my thought, too.

Karac: Dinki: And the GOP shills will go on every other 'news' show, spout off the exact same lie, and the interviewer will let it slide without blinking an eye.

And they'll toss in Soledad as an example of how the mainstream media is unfairly biased against bullshiat.

It's time for good journalists to take a stand. This Soledad had me smiling from ear to ear to see a journalist doing their due diligence and calling a lie. Don't be afraid of their slander- just keep doing the right thing, and people will notice.

Having said that, the media is all owned by a few large conglomerates who only care about turning a profit. Less and less news, more and more sensationalism.


Hasn't this demonstrated that actual journalism can be sensational? I mean, we're all talking about this event... but that's probably because it is unusual. Still, something to consider.
2012-08-16 04:05:20 PM
1 votes:

Madbassist1: Well prove it then! Speak proper grammar like stuff.


Proper grammar is so bourgeois, btw, I was typing, not speaking, I don't speak when I type, that's just odd.
2012-08-16 03:54:48 PM
1 votes:
I called it right when this first came up

1) Boehner asks CBO what would happen if Obamacare was repealed
2) CBO says Medicare costs would increase by $716B
3) derpasphere: Obama cut Medicare by $716B
2012-08-16 01:47:37 PM
1 votes:
You mean repeating a lie over and over again doesn't make it true?!
2012-08-16 01:46:22 PM
1 votes:
What an interesting world it would be if more journalists acted like journalists instead of simpering yes-men cowering under Rupert Murdoch's great, wrinkled sack.
2012-08-16 01:38:54 PM
1 votes:
[HERO]
2012-08-16 01:28:19 PM
1 votes:

mr_bunny: sigdiamond2000: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Have no fear - the greatest thinker in the modern GOP has already crafted a ready-made response:

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations, then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

Please tell me that's not a real quote. 

Please.

Sarah Palin quote.


For real? Wouldn't surprise me. She's the queen of "asking me a substantive, fact-based question is an attack."
2012-08-16 01:06:21 PM
1 votes:

Quasar: Man, that lady is unflappable. She could not be flapped.



(looks at pic of Soledad) flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap
 
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