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2012-08-16 06:15:02 PM  

PowerSlacker: pion: Money, from the extra home game. If you mandated that every FBS school in the nation had to play 6 home and 6 away games every season, none of them would ever schedule an FCS school again.

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F*ck off with that sh*t, the way FCS programs stay afloat is by getting those guarantee games.

/my school made more money getting the guarantee game against UW last year (UW's first FCS opponent, BTW) than they did the entire championship run the previous season
//if we get two of them in a season, those games pretty much fund the athletic department
 
2012-08-16 06:19:08 PM  

IAmRight: PowerSlacker: pion: Money, from the extra home game. If you mandated that every FBS school in the nation had to play 6 home and 6 away games every season, none of them would ever schedule an FCS school again.

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F*ck off with that sh*t, the way FCS programs stay afloat is by getting those guarantee games.

/my school made more money getting the guarantee game against UW last year (UW's first FCS opponent, BTW) than they did the entire championship run the previous season
//if we get two of them in a season, those games pretty much fund the athletic department


Eastern is a championship level team, though, so it isn't your typical FCS school. They could probably beat some IA schools on a good day.

/ Go Eagles.
 
2012-08-16 06:23:50 PM  

boyofd: thomps: Cup Check: t's hard to recruit a college player when you are located in a cold climate and have a culture surrounded in religion and uptight coeds when one can go to USC or U of Florida and fark on the beach.

notre dame has the number 5 recruiting class in the nation for 2013 according to rivals, and an average recruiting class rank of 11 going back to 2006. i would kill to have that sort of recruiting problem at my college program of choice.

In ND's defense, their recruiting numbers and inflated because recruiting services make more money from the ND fans when they give good reviews and ratings to ND recruits. Have ND recruit you and your star ranking might go up by 1; if it doesn't, it probably will after you commit to them. Still, ND sucks.

As much as I dislike ND, the article was really poorly written and far too snarky. It's not ND's fault that they are popular, and there isn't a single other school that would say, "Please don't give us our own TV deal. We really aren't worth it."

Also, keep in mind that ND is covered by NBC, and so ESPN has a vested interest in marginalizing the team (which really does suck) so that the conferences it televises are given more attention. ESPN is quickly becoming the Fox News (or MSNBC if you are so inclined) of the sports world; pretending to give a "fair and balanced" dose of sports news while actually trying to slant the playing field in its favor.


Last year, 5 of Notre Dame's 12 games were on ESPN or ABC. Try again, conspiracy nut.
 
2012-08-16 06:31:06 PM  

Munchausen's Proxy: I don't see how. For the 2012 season they have Navy, Wake (6-7 last year), Purdue and BYU. Plus Pitt and BC


You forgot that they play at two of the preseason top 4 and have another road game with a top 12-ish team. Hell, if the bottom half of your schedule is the teams you listed, that's considerably more difficult than the crappy part of everyone else's schedule. I love watching Notre Dame lose, but there isn't really much doubt that their schedule actually is pretty damn tough this year.
 
2012-08-16 06:32:26 PM  
Oh god I agree with Rick Reilly.

ND sucks, and they have for a long, long time. They don't deserve the fawning of NBC and the BCS.
 
2012-08-16 06:34:10 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Last year, 5 of Notre Dame's 12 games were on ESPN or ABC. Try again, conspiracy nut.


Not to mention the entire blog they have devoted to Notre Dame on the CFB page.
 
2012-08-16 06:45:02 PM  

Rent Party: Eastern is a championship level team, though, so it isn't your typical FCS school. They could probably beat some IA schools on a good day.


Should've beaten UW.

But that doesn't change the fact that we need games against FBS teams in order to afford our program/other sports. Having like 4,000 fans/game show up doesn't help. :-/
 
2012-08-16 06:50:32 PM  

IAmRight:

But that doesn't change the fact that we need games against FBS teams in order to afford our program/other sports. Having like 4,000 fans/game show up doesn't help. :-/


I get that. But so long as it's way out there in the desert, it's going to be hard to recruit top talent. Perhaps the football program should be run out of the Bellevue satellite campus. :D

I thought they drew more per game, though. I've never actually stepped onto the Cheney campus though, so I don't really know.

/ Bellevue campus dude...
 
2012-08-16 07:31:48 PM  

IAmRight: Rent Party: Eastern is a championship level team, though, so it isn't your typical FCS school. They could probably beat some IA schools on a good day.

Should've beaten UW.

But that doesn't change the fact that we need games against FBS teams in order to afford our program/other sports. Having like 4,000 fans/game show up doesn't help. :-/


I'm surprised you have more than 4 fans show up with that hideous turf.
 
2012-08-16 07:48:59 PM  

LeafyGreens: Oh god I agree with Rick Reilly.

ND sucks, and they have for a long, long time. They don't deserve the fawning of NBC and the BCS.


I agree, normally I don't like Rick Reilly, but he is correct this time.

Notre Dame has viewership because all Catholics are required to worship them on Saturday. The other days of the week are reserved for worshiping trinkets and making payoffs for sins.

/don't forget the altar boys
 
2012-08-16 08:00:29 PM  

IAmRight: Rent Party: Eastern is a championship level team, though, so it isn't your typical FCS school. They could probably beat some IA schools on a good day.

Should've beaten UW.

But that doesn't change the fact that we need games against FBS teams in order to afford our program/other sports. Having like 4,000 fans/game show up doesn't help. :-/


At least you guys haven't Hofstra'd the football program. One of my best friends, who is an alum and a physical therapist who worked with the team when he was in school, still refuses to donate.

To be fair, they didn't draw. Lacrosse is the big sport at Hofstra anyway.
 
2012-08-16 08:12:12 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: boyofd: thomps: Cup Check: t's hard to recruit a college player when you are located in a cold climate and have a culture surrounded in religion and uptight coeds when one can go to USC or U of Florida and fark on the beach.

notre dame has the number 5 recruiting class in the nation for 2013 according to rivals, and an average recruiting class rank of 11 going back to 2006. i would kill to have that sort of recruiting problem at my college program of choice.

In ND's defense, their recruiting numbers and inflated because recruiting services make more money from the ND fans when they give good reviews and ratings to ND recruits. Have ND recruit you and your star ranking might go up by 1; if it doesn't, it probably will after you commit to them. Still, ND sucks.

As much as I dislike ND, the article was really poorly written and far too snarky. It's not ND's fault that they are popular, and there isn't a single other school that would say, "Please don't give us our own TV deal. We really aren't worth it."

Also, keep in mind that ND is covered by NBC, and so ESPN has a vested interest in marginalizing the team (which really does suck) so that the conferences it televises are given more attention. ESPN is quickly becoming the Fox News (or MSNBC if you are so inclined) of the sports world; pretending to give a "fair and balanced" dose of sports news while actually trying to slant the playing field in its favor.

Last year, 5 of Notre Dame's 12 games were on ESPN or ABC. Try again, conspiracy nut.


Okay, and who were those opponents, and we're they home or away? If we're going to get in depth, might as well do it right.
 
2012-08-16 08:25:35 PM  
They play a weak schedule every year - which is why they never should be in a BCS bowl. Only by playing a tough conference schedule can you properly prepare for the BCS.
 
2012-08-16 08:33:11 PM  
Notre Dame has a TV contract because people like them and watch them...and although wins are nice, it's not all about that for ND fans. If it did not make money, they would not have the contract, sorry haters.

Not sure what is up Reilly's ass and why he feels the need to include a Penn State reference.
Maybe he just has a soft spot for pedophiles and has been in a bad mood since Sandusky got busted.
 
2012-08-16 08:51:20 PM  

PowerSlacker: I'm surprised you have more than 4 fans show up with that hideous turf.


Turf is great in person. Looks worse on TV (as different things are prone to do).

Mostly poor attendance due to it being a commuter school, half an hour from the city, in a not-big football market, not much school pride, and the playoffs go during winter break so no students are on campus. We had more people show up to the championship game in Texas than we did for any game but the Montana game.

/and a lot of the people that are there for the Montana game are from Montana

FreakinB: At least you guys haven't Hofstra'd the football program.


If FBS teams weren't allowed to play FCS teams, that would probably be happening down the road. I don't think Michael Roos (All-Pro tackle and EWU guy) wants to keep donating a few hundred grand every year.
 
2012-08-16 09:01:05 PM  

Rent Party: IAmRight: Warning to others: Rick Reilly.

Once again, his complete lack of knowledge pops up pretty early:

"If I told you about a team that had lost 10 of its last 12 bowl games, had dropped nine of its last 10 to USC, had led the nation only in disappointment, you'd figure that team would be halfway down the Mountain West standings."


That sounds like Virginia Tech to me.


Came here to say this. I love my Hokies, but they just don't seem to know how to finish a season with a win.
 
2012-08-16 09:07:58 PM  
Notre Dame should join a conference. It should not join the ACC.
 
2012-08-16 09:55:20 PM  

IAmRight: Warning to others: Rick Reilly.

Dangit...usually I read the comments here first. We need a warning before clicking the link sort of like something that screams... Bleacher Report...I know not to click them to start with.

 
2012-08-16 10:17:17 PM  
Is it a blue moon? I can't believe Riley is on the right side of something.
 
2012-08-16 10:18:20 PM  

dletter: Like any of those "wins" things has to do with having their own NBC TV deal, or importance with the BCS... it is because of their history and their alumni connections. As long as that is there, and there are no scandals at Notre Dame, NBC is going to enjoy fairly decent ratings showing ND games, and it is worth the contract.


Also, without ND, what is NBC showing on Saturday afternoons in the fall? Non-Olympic figure skating and Professional Bull Riding? Maybe move a few more MLS game-of-the-weeks over from NBCSN? Or just infomercials.

They may be overpaying, but it least it's something to fill the block.
 
2012-08-16 11:07:44 PM  

msupf: Okay, and who were those opponents, and we're they home or away? If we're going to get in depth, might as well do it right.


Those were away games for ND at which ESPN owns the rights to broadcast. Big Ten teams, or Big East teams, mostly, if I had to guess. ND goes and plays places where ESPN owns broadcast rights.
 
2012-08-16 11:38:05 PM  
If there is anyone who know about living on past accomplishments, its Rick Reilly. He's also one of the guys who used to write a yearly "Joe Paterno is a paragon of virtue" articles. If ESPN had any credibility, they'd go after the rampant cheating in college football and basketball. The SEC has become a pro-league. College football is a joke. Yet they biatch about one of the schools where the players can read and have to go to class.
 
2012-08-16 11:39:47 PM  
And, from what I remember, the Big Ten and SEC make more money per school from their TV deals than Notre Dame makes from NBC. Demanding that Notre Dame join one of the protection rackets that masquerade as conferences shows where Ricky and ESPN are in the bag.
 
2012-08-17 02:30:39 AM  
Notre Dame sucks.

That is all.
 
2012-08-17 11:35:52 AM  

thecpt: Notre Dame has been over-ranked for the past five years, but you won't hear me complain about it (other than the fact that its generally unfair) because it helps the Big Ten schedules as they have to play a ranked shiatty team rather than a good unranked team.


Like all those times Penn State was ranked in the top 10 in recent years?

/nothing to do with scandal
 
2012-08-17 01:57:59 PM  
i45.tinypic.com

The season didn't get better for USF last year. Go Bulls.
 
2012-08-17 03:56:26 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!:

Last year, 5 of Notre Dame's 12 games were on ESPN or ABC. Try again, conspiracy nut.


Conspiracy nut? I don't think it is all that disputed that ESPN plays favorites with teams and over-promotes games it has on its own network. So pointing out its vested interest in downplaying the sole thing NBC has going for it on the college football front is hardly conspiratorial.

Assuming your numbers are true, they are consistent with ND playing 5 away games at places that have a contract with ESPN. And since this is an article about this year, the more relevant question is how many games are on ESPN or ABC this season? Right now 1 is scheduled for ABC (MSU), and at least 8 will be on NBC or CBS. I think Big 12 games are broadcast on a Fox affiliate, so the game against Oklahoma may not be on ESPN either. So, most of the time, ND games will be competing with ESPN games for viewers, and ESPN still has a clear incentive to downplay the team.
 
2012-08-18 07:29:46 AM  

dletter: Notre Dame has won 86 games since the turn of this century. Oregon has won 111 games since then. TCU has won 119. Boise State has won 136. Do they have their own TV deals? Do they get to be the only school that sits with the BCS conference commissioners, deciding how a playoff is going to work?

Like any of those "wins" things has to do with having their own NBC TV deal, or importance with the BCS... it is because of their history and their alumni connections. As long as that is there, and there are no scandals at Notre Dame, NBC is going to enjoy fairly decent ratings showing ND games, and it is worth the contract.


So why don't the dark knights have a similar deal, can't think of an alumni that is more well known.
 
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