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(Fox News)   Brewer blocks undocumented immigrants from receiving public benefits. No word whether alcohol was involved   (foxnews.com) divider line 125
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2012-08-16 10:44:46 AM
Could she be arrested and held in contempt of court?

I'm sure that is exactly what she wants, for the Feds to come in and enforce federal laws that she won't, so that she can be a martyr and say "Look! Obama's storm troopers are taking over!!"
 
2012-08-16 10:58:17 AM
Just sign the order of secession and get it over with, Leatherface

/please
 
2012-08-16 10:59:30 AM
 
2012-08-16 11:47:45 AM
I don't think I have a problem with this, and I'm a liberal.
 
2012-08-16 12:20:46 PM
The question I have is if this protected immigrant class is paying States taxes or not. If they are, in fairness, they should be exempted of paying these taxes if you are going to withhold State benefits from them.
 
2012-08-16 12:36:10 PM
brewer was angry that illegal immigrants were a sap on state resources. obama's plan identifies productive members of that community and offers them a way to contribute to the state's economy. why in the world would this upset jan brewer?
 
2012-08-16 12:38:18 PM

thomps: brewer was angry that illegal immigrants were a sap on state resources. obama's plan identifies productive members of that community and offers them a way to contribute to the state's economy. why in the world would this upset jan brewer?


Because they're brown.
 
2012-08-16 12:42:14 PM

timujin: why in the world would this upset jan brewer?


She doesn't think for herself. It's her white nationalist puppet masters in the background that are dictating her actions.

And many of them aren't even based in Arizona.
 
2012-08-16 12:52:39 PM

timujin: thomps: brewer was angry that illegal immigrants were a sap on state resources. obama's plan identifies productive members of that community and offers them a way to contribute to the state's economy. why in the world would this upset jan brewer?

Because they're brown.


Pointing that out is racist I've been told.
 
2012-08-16 12:52:51 PM

vernonFL: Could she be arrested and held in contempt of court?

I'm sure that is exactly what she wants, for the Feds to come in and enforce federal laws that she won't, so that she can be a martyr and say "Look! Obama's storm troopers are taking over!!"


Contempt of what court? Enforce what federal law?
 
2012-08-16 12:53:20 PM
My in-laws winter in Arizona but they are white so everything is cool.
 
2012-08-16 12:53:56 PM

mrshowrules: My in-laws winter in Arizona but they are white so everything is cool.


/Canadian
 
2012-08-16 12:54:16 PM

thomps: brewer was angry that illegal immigrants were a sap on state resources. obama's plan identifies productive members of that community and offers them a way to contribute to the state's economy. why in the world would this upset jan brewer?


They aren't white, duh.
 
2012-08-16 12:56:13 PM

Well, I have no trouble at all with keeping illegals off public assistance. Funny thing, though, I thought illegals were already> ineligible or public assistance. What is she...

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Wednesday ordered state agencies to deny driver's licenses and other public benefits to young illegal immigrants who obtain work authorizations under a new Obama administration policy.


Yeah, because a driver's license, which you have to pay and pass tests for, is totally sucking in the government tear oh wait it's not.

Hey guess what, New Mexico? You're gonna get all the productive illegals and Arizona's gonna be stuck with all the gangbangers and those too poor to even move!
 
2012-08-16 12:56:26 PM
Meh. If they jump the fence to find work, let them find work. If there's no work, they can jump back across. I'm an open border kind of guy, but I don't have a huge problem with this.

Anybody know of a compelling reason to offer benefits to undocumented workers?
 
2012-08-16 12:57:31 PM
Wow that'll teach me not to preview when posting from my phone.
 
2012-08-16 12:57:42 PM

Mithiwithi: Well, I have no trouble at all with keeping illegals off public assistance. Funny thing, though, I thought illegals were already> ineligible or public assistance. What is she...

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Wednesday ordered state agencies to deny driver's licenses and other public benefits to young illegal immigrants who obtain work authorizations under a new Obama administration policy.

Yeah, because a driver's license, which you have to pay and pass tests for, is totally sucking in the government tear oh wait it's not.

Hey guess what, New Mexico? You're gonna get all the productive illegals and Arizona's gonna be stuck with all the gangbangers and those too poor to even move!


I think the smart ones already go to California.
 
2012-08-16 12:58:16 PM
sweet home arizona
 
2012-08-16 12:58:48 PM
And Arizona leaps into the lead in the running to be the first state to break out into race wars.
 
2012-08-16 12:59:32 PM
This story, while a few years old, really helps to illustrate why Brewer is a soulless, ignorant biatch.
 
2012-08-16 01:00:31 PM
When our government agencies are fully caring for all of our citizens that are in need and all of the infrastructure needs are met, then let's talk about helping non-citizens. Until then, they should get nothing. There's nothing wrong with helping your own citizens before you help those of other nations.
 
2012-08-16 01:01:44 PM

Poopspasm: Meh. If they jump the fence to find work, let them find work. If there's no work, they can jump back across. I'm an open border kind of guy, but I don't have a huge problem with this.

Anybody know of a compelling reason to offer benefits to undocumented workers?


Because having an impoverished underclass working in the restaurant and hospitality industries without access to preventative medical care is a bad idea for everyone?
 
2012-08-16 01:02:36 PM

CheetahOlivetti: This story, while a few years old, really helps to illustrate why Brewer is a soulless, ignorant biatch.


ftfl: Santillan attends Phoenix College. He said one advantage to starting his own catering company is that he wouldn't have to worry about showing identification to a potential employer.


see, her brave immigration stance is minting new job-creators!
 
2012-08-16 01:02:48 PM

Mithiwithi: Yeah, because a driver's license, which you have to pay and pass tests for, is totally sucking in the government tear oh wait it's not.


Poopspasm: Anybody know of a compelling reason to offer benefits to undocumented workers?


So they can get insurance and become part of the market there, owning cars, paying registration fees, not leaving other people with higher "uninsured driver" premiums?

Kinda like the whole "let them buy health insurance in the state exchange" when state exchanges come online in 2014. Granted, they won't get any subsidies that are available to citizens, but they will be able to purchase health insurance.
 
2012-08-16 01:03:41 PM
Do they pay income and property taxes? Then they should get public services and benefits. They paid for them.

If they don't, they shouldn't. (looking at you, Mittens)

This is not a hard thing. Aren't the Republicans supposed to be the rugged business industrialists that understand the entire economy forever? And she can't fit her head around a simple transaction?

/skeletor
 
2012-08-16 01:04:12 PM
What part of "illegal" in the phrase "illegal immigrant" is so confusing?

Legal immigrants have always been the backbone of this country, so don't confuse the issue with blanket "because they're brown" bullshiat statements. Illegals strain the hospital and town budgets everywhere they are in large numbers.

Fill out the paperwork and wait your turn like my family, and many of my high school friends' families, did. Otherwise STFU and GTFO.
 
2012-08-16 01:04:34 PM

Poopspasm: Anybody know of a compelling reason to offer benefits to undocumented workers?


More working, less criminalizing.
 
2012-08-16 01:05:44 PM

mrshowrules: My in-laws winter in Arizona but they are white so everything is cool.


I've met them! They stared at us for awhile wondering if we were violent Mexican savages waiting to take their jobs.

Locked their doors and called police 'just in case'.
 
2012-08-16 01:06:48 PM

fickenchucker: What part of "illegal" in the phrase "illegal immigrant" is so confusing?

Legal immigrants have always been the backbone of this country, so don't confuse the issue with blanket "because they're brown" bullshiat statements. Illegals strain the hospital and town budgets everywhere they are in large numbers.

Fill out the paperwork and wait your turn like my family, and many of my high school friends' families, did. Otherwise STFU and GTFO.


She is deny benefits to legal aliens bc she doesn't like the new federal policy.
 
2012-08-16 01:07:01 PM

mrshowrules: The question I have is if this protected immigrant class is paying States taxes or not. If they are, in fairness, they should be exempted of paying these taxes if you are going to withhold State benefits from them.


Okay, the IRS will get right on that as soon as they get official Tax IDs.

/srsly
 
2012-08-16 01:07:21 PM
If she is denying Federal benefits and running afoul of Federal laws and statutes by doing this, then she needs a wake up smack to the head courtesy of the DOJ.

If she is denying State benefits, I would think the decision to do so would be well within her rights as Governor. In this case you can gripe all you want, but unless the voters of Arizona agree with you, griping is all you can do.
 
2012-08-16 01:07:49 PM

LockeOak: Poopspasm: Meh. If they jump the fence to find work, let them find work. If there's no work, they can jump back across. I'm an open border kind of guy, but I don't have a huge problem with this.

Anybody know of a compelling reason to offer benefits to undocumented workers?

Because having an impoverished underclass working in the restaurant and hospitality industries without access to preventative medical care is a bad idea for everyone?


Which is why I'd prefer to see healthcare addressed as a human rights issue, instead of a benefits to be handed out by politicians.

I'm just saying I don't see why they'd need unemployment or something. If it isn't working for them there, and they're clearly cool with moving, then they should probably move around until they find a job.

Fwiw, the "no drivers licenses" thing is farking retarded too, but for different reasons.
 
2012-08-16 01:08:38 PM

fickenchucker: What part of "illegal" in the phrase "illegal immigrant" is so confusing?

Legal immigrants have always been the backbone of this country, so don't confuse the issue with blanket "because they're brown" bullshiat statements. Illegals strain the hospital and town budgets everywhere they are in large numbers.

Fill out the paperwork and wait your turn like my family, and many of my high school friends' families, did. Otherwise STFU and GTFO.


High school??? Can you even vote yet?
 
2012-08-16 01:08:49 PM
More unlicensed drivers on the roads! Whee!
 
2012-08-16 01:09:50 PM
Goddamn. I'm about to move to Nevada, which is as close to Arizona as I ever want to get.
 
2012-08-16 01:10:09 PM

fickenchucker: Illegals strain the hospital and town budgets everywhere they are in large numbers.


A statement, which, of course, you would be happy to provide a source for.

fickenchucker: Fill out the paperwork and wait your turn like my family, and many of my high school friends' families, did. Otherwise STFU and GTFO.


Question: Assuming all of them did this, how would you alleviate the backlog of applicants produced by limitations on the number of legal immigrants allowed each year? You do realize that due to those restraints and the number of applications for legal immigration some of the applicants must wait over 1000 years before they would be eligible for allowance, right?
 
2012-08-16 01:10:10 PM

Quasar: I don't think I have a problem with this, and I'm a liberal.


THIS
 
2012-08-16 01:10:14 PM

Kuroshin: mrshowrules: The question I have is if this protected immigrant class is paying States taxes or not. If they are, in fairness, they should be exempted of paying these taxes if you are going to withhold State benefits from them.

Okay, the IRS will get right on that as soon as they get official Tax IDs.

/srsly


TINs are being issued to immigrants that come under the new policy.
 
2012-08-16 01:10:36 PM

Arkanaut: More unlicensed drivers on the roads! Whee!


Be honest. It's not like the lack of a driver's license keeps people who shouldn't be driving off of the road, illegal immigrant or not.
 
2012-08-16 01:10:47 PM

LockeOak: Poopspasm: Meh. If they jump the fence to find work, let them find work. If there's no work, they can jump back across. I'm an open border kind of guy, but I don't have a huge problem with this.

Anybody know of a compelling reason to offer benefits to undocumented workers?

Because having an impoverished underclass working in the restaurant and hospitality industries without access to preventative medical care is a bad idea for everyone?


Yes. Giving them access to immunizations improves our herd immunity.
 
2012-08-16 01:11:11 PM
Hmmm... walk illegally into Mexica and it's a mandatory 2 year jail term.

Walk into the USA illegally and you get free handouts.

Sorry people, shes just enforcing federal law, unlike Obama who spits on it.
 
2012-08-16 01:11:49 PM

Arkanaut: More unlicensed drivers on the roads! Whee!


Especially unlicensed white people who get DUI's or no proof of insurance. Wheee!
 
2012-08-16 01:13:34 PM

TIKIMAN87: Hmmm... walk illegally into Mexica and it's a mandatory 2 year jail term.

Walk into the USA illegally and you get free handouts.

Sorry people, shes just enforcing federal law, unlike Obama who spits on it.


I've walked illegally into Mexico and I have never seen the inside of a Mexican jail.

How does that fit into your non-reality based narrative?
 
2012-08-16 01:15:41 PM

TIKIMAN87: Hmmm... walk illegally into Mexica and it's a mandatory 2 year jail term.

Walk into the USA illegally and you get free handouts.

Sorry people, shes just enforcing federal law, unlike Obama who spits on it.


So... the USA should be more like Mexico? I didn't know you were so much in favor of the Reconquista movement.
 
2012-08-16 01:15:50 PM
I can just look at this coont and tell she's a racist.
 
2012-08-16 01:16:36 PM

fickenchucker: What part of "illegal" in the phrase "illegal immigrant" is so confusing?

Legal immigrants have always been the backbone of this country, so don't confuse the issue with blanket "because they're brown" bullshiat statements. Illegals strain the hospital and town budgets everywhere they are in large numbers[citation needed].

Fill out the paperwork and wait your turn like my family, and many of my high school friends' families, did. Otherwise STFU and GTFO.


So if you speed, we can drag you from your car, beat you to a bloody pulp and hang you from a streetlight? After all, you broke the law.

And that citation better include the state/local/federal taxes paid by illegals. I'll start - any employee that is paid using a bogus SSN is contributing to the program without any hope of return (and even if they do get citizenship later, they get zero credit for having paid already). And that's before sales and gas taxes. And, if they have any sort of cable service, the FCC fees.

And "because they're brown" refers more to the application of such policies - do you think they're asking white-looking folks to produce paperwork with anywhere near the frequency they're asking Swarthy-Americans to? Do you think the focus on illegal immigration would be better served by punishing the employers (who aren't overwhelmingly brown) that hire these immigrants? Do you think "catch and release over the border" in any way actually helps stem the flow of illegal immigrants?
 
2012-08-16 01:17:05 PM

Poopspasm: LockeOak: Poopspasm: Meh. If they jump the fence to find work, let them find work. If there's no work, they can jump back across. I'm an open border kind of guy, but I don't have a huge problem with this.

Anybody know of a compelling reason to offer benefits to undocumented workers?

Because having an impoverished underclass working in the restaurant and hospitality industries without access to preventative medical care is a bad idea for everyone?

Which is why I'd prefer to see healthcare addressed as a human rights issue, instead of a benefits to be handed out by politicians.

I'm just saying I don't see why they'd need unemployment or something. If it isn't working for them there, and they're clearly cool with moving, then they should probably move around until they find a job.

Fwiw, the "no drivers licenses" thing is farking retarded too, but for different reasons.


What are you on about? This action would deny them work permits.
 
2012-08-16 01:17:50 PM

vernonFL: I'm sure that is exactly what she wants, for the Feds to come in and enforce federal laws that she won't, so that she can be a martyr and say "Look! Obama's storm troopers are taking over!!"


Yeah, how well did that work out for various southern governors during the Civil Rights era?
 
2012-08-16 01:17:59 PM
well, good
 
2012-08-16 01:18:28 PM
This is an example of a state in which the coming demographic change--the demotion of whites from a majority to just another minority--is nearer than some people like. The whole goal of repub disenfranchisment efforts has been to put off that day for as long as possible. Arizona is a perfect example of a state in which, 20 years from now, the Hispanic majority will be passing laws limiting the legal rights of whites and Jan Brewer's grandchildren will be whining about how unfair and undeserved it all is.
 
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