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(Wonkette)   Kentucky so sad all their students failing national tests just because they refuse to teach them science :(   (wonkette.com) divider line 149
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2012-08-16 10:33:20 AM  
"We're simply saying to the ACT people we don't want what is a theory to be taught as a fact in such a way it may damage students' ability to do critical thinking."

I just facepalmed so hard my hand came out the back of my skull.
 
2012-08-16 10:35:55 AM  
Kentucky's new state motto should be, "Garbage in, garbage out."
 
2012-08-16 10:37:02 AM  
"I think we are very committed to being able to take Kentucky students and put them on a report card beside students across the nation," said Republican Sen. David Givens. "We're simply saying to the ACT people we don't want what is a theory to be taught as a fact in such a way it may damage students' ability to do critical thinking."

www.habitationofjustice.com

you might say i'm the black sheep of my family.
 
2012-08-16 10:37:46 AM  
Good. Less competition in the future for people who had a real education, as well as an ignorant labor force that can be easily exploited.

It's like our very own third world!
 
2012-08-16 10:38:58 AM  
Ah, I love the South. Kentucky is a part of the South, right? *shrug*
 
2012-08-16 10:39:47 AM  

Aarontology: Good. Less competition in the future for people who had a real education, as well as an ignorant labor force that can be easily exploited.

It's like our very own third world!


Hehe...competition. Something I thought GOPers liked.

Well, here you go, Kentucky GOP. You failed. And instead of improving your game, you beg for special rules and exemptions.

Hypocrites, the lot of them.
 
2012-08-16 10:40:09 AM  

Aarontology: It's like our very own third world!


Oh, I see you've visited Kentucky already.
 
2012-08-16 10:42:57 AM  
"We're simply saying to the ACT people we don't want what is a theory to be taught as a fact in such a way it may damage students' ability to do critical thinking."

ok, assholes, one more time:

evolution is a FACT, not a theory
natural selection is a THEORY as to how evolution occurs

however, evolution via natural selection is a SCIENTIFIC theory, which isn't the same thing as you having a theory that president obama was born in kenya.
 
2012-08-16 10:43:39 AM  

Diogenes: Hehe...competition. Something I thought GOPers liked.

Well, here you go, Kentucky GOP. You failed. And instead of improving your game, you beg for special rules and exemptions.


It's like they're intentionally sabotaging their children's future. Which as I said is fine by me. It will make it easier for other people to succeed since they won't have to deal with this rabble competing for good jobs and spots in college.

xenophon10k: Oh, I see you've visited Kentucky already.


heh
 
2012-08-16 10:43:45 AM  
These goons deserve everything they get.
 
2012-08-16 10:47:33 AM  
Cultural self-immolation would be entertaining if I wasn't in the flame radius.
 
2012-08-16 10:48:12 AM  
"The theory of evolution is a theory, and essentially the theory of evolution is not science - Darwin made it up," [Rep. Ben] Waide said. "My objection is they should ensure whatever scientific material is being put forth as a standard should at least stand up to scientific method. Under the most rudimentary, basic scientific examination, the theory of evolution has never stood up to scientific scrutiny."

People voted for this.
 
2012-08-16 10:49:31 AM  

Relatively Obscure: "The theory of evolution is a theory, and essentially the theory of evolution is not science - Darwin made it up," [Rep. Ben] Waide said. "My objection is they should ensure whatever scientific material is being put forth as a standard should at least stand up to scientific method. Under the most rudimentary, basic scientific examination, the theory of evolution has never stood up to scientific scrutiny."

People voted for this.


holy fark, these people are morons.
 
2012-08-16 10:49:36 AM  
So how exactly does a creationist biology researcher design a medicine to combat the new strain of antibiotic-resistant gonnarea? Pray for it?
 
2012-08-16 10:50:30 AM  
"The theory of evolution is a theory, and essentially the theory of evolution is not science - Darwin made it up," [Rep. Ben] Waide said. "My objection is they should ensure whatever scientific material is being put forth as a standard should at least stand up to scientific method. Under the most rudimentary, basic scientific examination, the theory of evolution has never stood up to scientific scrutiny."

And how do we apply the scientific method to creationism? How does one test that God created all life? Ask Him?

And no, Scripture does not count. No poorly constructed logical loophole for you.
 
2012-08-16 10:50:38 AM  

Lumpmoose: So how exactly does a creationist biology researcher design a medicine to combat the new strain of antibiotic-resistant gonnarea? Pray for it?

 
2012-08-16 10:51:03 AM  

Lumpmoose: So how exactly does a creationist biology researcher design a medicine to combat the new strain of antibiotic-resistant gonnarea gonorrhea? Pray for it?

 
2012-08-16 10:51:30 AM  

Aarontology: Lumpmoose: So how exactly does a creationist biology researcher design a medicine to combat the new strain of antibiotic-resistant gonnarea? Pray for it?


Ok, weird. It ate my image.

images.politico.com
 
2012-08-16 10:53:00 AM  

Lumpmoose: gonnarea


STDs are for whores and sinners and they deserve what they get. Problem solved.
 
2012-08-16 10:54:27 AM  

Diogenes: Aarontology: Good. Less competition in the future for people who had a real education, as well as an ignorant labor force that can be easily exploited.

It's like our very own third world!

Hehe...competition. Something I thought GOPers liked.

Well, here you go, Kentucky GOP. You failed. And instead of improving your game, you beg for special rules and exemptions.

Hypocrites, the lot of them.


competition is onoly good in theory. However, you can't have true meritocracy, because then you must given up your god given white privilege. And times may be a changin' but it's still beneficial to be a white, christian, male in America.

\ignore me, I'm just rambling.
 
2012-08-16 10:56:53 AM  

Lumpmoose: So how exactly does a creationist biology researcher design a medicine to combat the new strain of antibiotic-resistant gonnarea? Pray for it?


2.bp.blogspot.com

/Oldie but goodie.
 
2012-08-16 10:57:59 AM  
more liberal claptrap from the elitists.
 
2012-08-16 10:59:40 AM  

doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.


Oh my. That's just.. that's amazing.
 
2012-08-16 11:00:24 AM  
What's truly ironic is that the same people who deny natural selection will be the people for whom it will be their demise.
 
2012-08-16 11:04:51 AM  

Relatively Obscure: "The theory of evolution is a theory, and essentially the theory of evolution is not science - Darwin made it up," [Rep. Ben] Waide said. "My objection is they should ensure whatever scientific material is being put forth as a standard should at least stand up to scientific method. Under the most rudimentary, basic scientific examination, the theory of evolution has never stood up to scientific scrutiny."

People voted for this.


It should be legal to sterilize those people. They're bringing down the curve for the rest of us.
 
2012-08-16 11:08:29 AM  

doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.


You have got to be sh*tting me

/ay-yi-yi
 
2012-08-16 11:09:12 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Darwin made it up


This is a fantastic quote.
 
2012-08-16 11:10:09 AM  

doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.


Even the kind of people who bother typing things into their 'talk' page are largely going "WTF?"
 
2012-08-16 11:10:14 AM  

doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.


I can't decide if conservapedia is a liberal plot to make conservatives look like morons, or if it is legitimate.

Poe's law and all...
 
2012-08-16 11:11:03 AM  

impaler: doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.

I can't decide if conservapedia is a liberal plot to make conservatives look like morons, or if it is legitimate.

Poe's law and all...


It's legitimate, unless Andrew Schlafly has been pulling an Andy Kaufman on us since birth,
 
2012-08-16 11:11:18 AM  

DamnYankees: Relatively Obscure: Darwin made it up

This is a fantastic quote.


Don't attribute that to me, damnit! :(
 
2012-08-16 11:25:26 AM  

doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.


i236.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-16 11:42:57 AM  
The future money is going to be in designing machines to be operated by people so dumb the pictographs will have to be "Smiling Jesus" for normal operations and "Frowny Jesus" when it's time to call in the repair crew from another state.
 
2012-08-16 11:54:51 AM  

doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.


FTFL: [E=mc2] is a meaningless, almost nonsensical, statement that purports to relate all matter to light.

Seriously?

Do these people know absolutely NOTHING about science? Or is somebody trolling Conservapedia?

E=mc2 wasn't just some idea Einstein had. It's actually a mathematical necessity derived from Special Relativity.

There are some formulae in physics that are really hard to grasp. E=mc2 isn't one of them.

If Special Relativity is correct (and, it's passed every test it's ever been subjected to) and the conservation of mass/energy is correct, E=mc2 must be correct.
 
2012-08-16 11:57:12 AM  

eraser8: conservation of mass/energy


pffft more liberal claptrap
 
2012-08-16 12:09:15 PM  
"Vincent Cassone, chairman of the University of Kentucky biology department"

Now that is a thankless job title.
 
2012-08-16 12:15:37 PM  

doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.


Win!

I had to go on and read up on Biblical scientific foreknowledge linked at the top of the 'E=mc2 is nonsense' article.

I honestly had no idea.
 
2012-08-16 12:22:49 PM  

TsarTom: doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.

Win!

I had to go on and read up on Biblical scientific foreknowledge linked at the top of the 'E=mc2 is nonsense' article.

I honestly had no idea.


Bob Jones University thinks set theory is pointless and we should focus on real math.
 
2012-08-16 12:30:42 PM  

doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.


That literally caused me pain to read.
 
2012-08-16 12:31:00 PM  
Well, this is good. Eventually, medical schools can just chuck all the applications that come from people who attend public school in certain states.
 
2012-08-16 12:34:09 PM  

Mentat: TsarTom: doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.

Win!

I had to go on and read up on Biblical scientific foreknowledge linked at the top of the 'E=mc2 is nonsense' article.

I honestly had no idea.

Bob Jones University thinks set theory is pointless and we should focus on real math.


would their heads explode if you tried to explain that set theory is a subset of all real math?
 
2012-08-16 12:36:59 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Mentat: TsarTom: doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.

Win!

I had to go on and read up on Biblical scientific foreknowledge linked at the top of the 'E=mc2 is nonsense' article.

I honestly had no idea.

Bob Jones University thinks set theory is pointless and we should focus on real math.

would their heads explode if you tried to explain that set theory is a subset of all real math?


I bet you believe in "imaginary" numbers too. Like those imaginary numbers Obambo claims are new jobs he created. USE REAL AMERICAN MATH TAXBONGO!
 
2012-08-16 12:40:11 PM  

Mentat: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mentat: TsarTom: doublesecretprobation: more liberal claptrap from the elitists.

Win!

I had to go on and read up on Biblical scientific foreknowledge linked at the top of the 'E=mc2 is nonsense' article.

I honestly had no idea.

Bob Jones University thinks set theory is pointless and we should focus on real math.

would their heads explode if you tried to explain that set theory is a subset of all real math?

I bet you believe in "imaginary" numbers too. Like those imaginary numbers Obambo claims are new jobs he created. USE REAL AMERICAN MATH TAXBONGO!


I only believe in the imaginary number j, the one true and honest square root of negative one.
Jeez, GOP math is so irrational.
 
2012-08-16 12:44:40 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: I only believe in the imaginary number j, the one true and honest square root of negative one.


Preach on brother Uchiha_Cycliste! Down with the heresy spouted by the cult of 'i'! It's like current does not exist in their world.
 
2012-08-16 12:48:23 PM  

impaler: Uchiha_Cycliste: I only believe in the imaginary number j, the one true and honest square root of negative one.

Preach on brother Uchiha_Cycliste! Down with the heresy spouted by the cult of 'i'! It's like current does not exist in their world.


God damn hipsters, they liked the amps before they were so current mainstream.
 
2012-08-16 01:12:36 PM  
said Republican Sen. David Givens. "We're simply saying to the ACT people we don't want what is a theory to be taught as a fact in such a way it may damage students' ability to do critical thinking."

Ignoring for the moment the complete fail that is not understanding what a scientific theory is in relation to an established fact, which no doubt others have already commented on, there is a more pernicious issue here that I think will be brushed aside that I want to point out:

Critical thinking does not rest solely on the memorization and regurgitation of factoids devoid of context doled out by authority figures. Critical thinking demands being exposed to all sorts of ideas, and analyzing them in the context of observed data, mathematical proof, empirical findings, and alternative interpretations by professionals of said data, proof, and findings. And in many ways, critical thinking depends on being exposed to false ideas and bad theories in order to understand the epistemological differences between a sound theory and a bad theory.

So, honestly, let's put aside for the moment the argument that the modern understanding of evolution is unequivocally false (which it most certainly is not; it is surely incomplete, but it is the most accurate explanation we currently have in light of the entire body of evidence). For now, for the sake of argument, let's all assume evolutionary theory is not a fact and it is entirely false. Students of biology would still need to be exposed to it in order to develop critical thinking skills. Biology students in college and graduate school are exposed to all manner of theories and perspectives, in order to help them understand which ones make sense and which ones don't. It's the same for every other scientific discipline out there. Because, ultimately, we don't know everything about anything and we will inevitably come up with temporarily ideas that turn out to be false. But since we don't know ahead of time which ones are ultimately false, we need to be exposed to them regardless.

By analogy, Newtonian mechanics is wrong. But students of physics are still exposed to it, and in many contexts still use it, despite its limitations because it is still a useful theory. Because knowing it helps foster critical thinking skills in physics. Among other things, it lays a foundation of knowledge for students that can be revised and updated and changed and abandoned or set aside when more and new knowledge comes along. Trying to gut the biology curriculum because evolutionary theory is wrong (which, I remind you, I'm only saying for the sake of argument; it isn't, but go with me here) does a greater disservice to the goal of teaching students of biology critical thinking than any amount of wrongness evolutionary theory has would.

Turning science education into a rote-memorization process devoid of context, devoid of exploration, devoid of historical and philosophical understanding, and completely lacking in any sense of discovery by saying essentially "Here are facts that smart people have figured out. Know them because I, as your teacher who is smarter than you in this, require you to" turns any attempt at education into a massive f*cking joke.
 
2012-08-16 01:28:16 PM  

FlashHarry: Relatively Obscure: "The theory of evolution is a theory, and essentially the theory of evolution is not science - Darwin made it up," [Rep. Ben] Waide said. "My objection is they should ensure whatever scientific material is being put forth as a standard should at least stand up to scientific method. Under the most rudimentary, basic scientific examination, the theory of evolution has never stood up to scientific scrutiny."

People voted for this.

holy fark, these people are morons.


Religion: Making mush-brain idiots since the birth of humanity.
 
2012-08-16 01:28:23 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The future money is going to be in designing machines to be operated by people so dumb the pictographs will have to be "Smiling Jesus" for normal operations and "Frowny Jesus" when it's time to call in the repair crew from another state.


Fast foods registers already have pictures on them. They are way ahead of you.
 
2012-08-16 01:29:14 PM  
Dare to be stupid.
 
2012-08-16 01:29:20 PM  
Evolution is just a theory.

On the internet, it's an obvious troll, but IRL it is an actual policy position held by a person empowered to pass laws.

Can we hurry up and have a nuclear war or something? I'm sick of this shiat.
 
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