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2012-08-16 11:31:47 AM

badaboom: CNN and the liberal blogosphere have blood on their hands. They inspired this lunatic to go on a killing rampage which luckily was stopped by the security guard. When will they stop spewing their hate? The FCC should immediately censor Rachel Maddow, the View, and other liberal commentators before they incite more violence.


I get what you're trying to do, but it's pretty obvious that you're missing all of the important details.
 
2012-08-16 11:32:04 AM

Carth: question for the arm chair lawyers out there. If CNN said the shooting was politically motivated and it was later proved not to be would they be liable for anything?


Of course not. 1st Amendment and all that. Look at the Gabby Giffords situation -- people were crawling all over themselves trying to connect that to a political motivation but it turns out it was just a crazy.
 
2012-08-16 11:33:37 AM

palelizard: Fluorescent Testicle: zcat: If you're talking about the headline, the apostrophe in "volunteer's" is correct. "Carrying" is a noun the way it's used here.

You must be the subby, because no.

FTFH: CNN says it's way too early to say if LGBT volunteer is carrying Chick-Fil-a bag and automatic weapon into conservative group's headquarters is politically motivated.

If that makes sense to you, you might be a moron.

Apostrophes are also used for possessives. The act of carrying [the bag and gun] belongs to the volunteer.


Is it wrong that I'm more interetested in the resolution to the apostrophe debate?

/headline is correct
 
2012-08-16 11:33:58 AM

WTF Indeed: Conservatives can walk into any place and kill anyone they want


AND, they're totally justified in doing it, because GOD.

/don't even try to argue, because GOD

/but I...

/nope, GOD!
 
2012-08-16 11:34:01 AM

dukwbutter: zedster: The suspect's weapon was a legally obtained 9 mm handgun, according to another law enforcement official.

I doubt he had a legally obtained 9mm automatic handgun, not too many of those.

Actually, you know nothing about guns and almost all 9mm's are "automatics". This means "semi-automatic". One trigger pull = 1 round fired = "automatic". The more you know, libtards.


so it has an autoloader but not full automatic firing?

well than, call it an auto-loading handgun not an automatic handgun, there is a difference

A glock18c = automatic handgun
most other magazine fed pistols = auto-loading handguns

The way it was used in the headline "automatic weapon" most people would assume meant a weapon that could fire more than one round per trigger pull and further when people think "automatic weapon" they picture something bigger than a pistol

doesn't change the fact this guy was criminal and shot someone, but stick to the facts
 
2012-08-16 11:34:16 AM

colon_pow: well if they support traditional family values, that means they are hate-mongers and should be destroyed.
totally justifiable.


If someone snapped and tried to shoot up the office of a white supremacist group in the 60s, then they should of course be prosecuted as well. You can't just go around shooting people, no matter how reprehensible they are.

But being coy about why the attempted shooting took place and using euphemisms like "traditional family values" just makes you look like an idiot - so you might as well just get off that cross and get on with your day.
 
2012-08-16 11:34:44 AM

Nova81426: Is it wrong that I'm more interetested in the resolution to the apostrophe debate?

/headline is correct


but still horribly written and subby should be put in time out from their keyboard
 
2012-08-16 11:34:54 AM
How dare CNN report what the FBI has said, which is that it is too early to determine whether the shooting was politically motivated. Why does the FBI have such a liberal bias?
 
2012-08-16 11:35:47 AM
FRC is a vile hate group and the shooting was a stupid, unhelpful idea that did nothing to help LGBT people.

That is all I have to contribute.
 
2012-08-16 11:36:06 AM

CAADbury: dukwbutter: zedster: The suspect's weapon was a legally obtained 9 mm handgun, according to another law enforcement official.

I doubt he had a legally obtained 9mm automatic handgun, not too many of those.

Actually, you know nothing about guns and almost all 9mm's are "automatics". This means "semi-automatic". One trigger pull = 1 round fired = "automatic". The more you know, libtards.


Caadbury - lol wut? Shove it up your ass nimrod. You dont know shiat about guns. I grew up with them. Semi-automatic weapons are commonly referred to as "automatics". This is true of shotguns, pistols, and rifles. You wouldnt know because youre a liberal douche and have never fired a gun.
 
2012-08-16 11:36:18 AM

Red_Fox: zedster: The suspect's weapon was a legally obtained 9 mm handgun, according to another law enforcement official.

I doubt he had a legally obtained 9mm automatic handgun, not too many of those.

Dude, only an american would even care about where the gun came from or what kind of gun it was or whether it was auto or semi-auto....does it really matter?


point was to asses just how overly loaded and nonfactual this headline was.

Yes, I could have also pointed the police, even if they think the motive was clear as day, will not say anything to the media before an investigation is complete
 
2012-08-16 11:36:25 AM

WTF Indeed: As a liberal, I feel sad about this. Conservatives can walk into any place and kill anyone they want, just look at Dr. Tiller. They are so much better at this than we are.


Straws, grasping, you.
 
2012-08-16 11:36:48 AM
bullmurph.com

100% responsible for this heinous act. Should be banned
 
2012-08-16 11:36:53 AM

Fish in a Barrel: Highroller48: I can't agree here. The term has become bastardized by misuse when it comes to handuns. That doesn't mean it's correct to call a semi weapon "automatic".

It hasn't been bastardized. It's just an archaic usage from back when auto-loaders were the new hotness. A 1911 would have been commonly called a .45 automatic, for instance. It hasn't been relevant for the better part of a century, but that doesn't make it wrong. Still, it's so rarely used (and generally only in a context that makes it a clear reference to loading) that it's safe to assume that's not what subby intended.


Fair enough. I don't like it, but a few minutes of Googling shows that even some manufacturers refer to semi-automatic handguns as automatics. I think that, with the invention of fully-automatic weapons, it's archaic as folks have said, but it's definitely still in use.

But damn it, it's gonna bug me....
 
2012-08-16 11:36:58 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Whether subby farked up the apostrophe or farked up the tenses, it's still farked up.


Actually, it probably should have been "Was" regardless. Goddamn, what a complete raping of the English language.
 
2012-08-16 11:37:09 AM

LasersHurt: Yes, the LGBT community is so well known for their angry, hateful rhetoric inciting violence. duh.


I realize you meant this as a joke, but in all seriousness, they have consistently dehumanized their ideological opponents by calling them "anti-gay," "bigots," "homophobes," "hateful," and the like for quite a long time. The Family Research Council has even been officially designated a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center. And then this Chik-fil-a thing happens. Dan Cathy, a known conservative Christian who directs a small fraction of his otherwise laudable charitable giving toward "anti-gay" causes, responds to a direct question from a journalist who works for a Christian publication by saying that he supports "traditional" marriage and the "biblical" understanding of family, and for two or three weeks solid, everyone loses their shiat and acts like he'shiatler reincarnated. Frankly, it's amazing that it took this long for something like this to happen.
 
2012-08-16 11:37:39 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: palelizard: Apostrophes are also used for possessives. The act of carrying [the bag and gun] belongs to the volunteer.

If it was a possessive, "Is politically motivated" would be "Was politically motivated."

Whether subby farked up the apostrophe or farked up the tenses, it's still farked up.


You're correct on the past tense bit. And it would have been easier to read with an 'of a' thrown in there... "volunteer's carrying of a chick-fil-a bag..."
 
2012-08-16 11:37:42 AM

zedster: Yes, I could have also pointed out the police, even if they think the motive was clear as day, will not say anything to the media before an investigation is complete


/ftfm
 
2012-08-16 11:38:00 AM

Voiceofreason01: Nova81426: Is it wrong that I'm more interetested in the resolution to the apostrophe debate?

/headline is correct

but still horribly written and subby should be put in time out from their keyboard


This headline follows the letter of grammar law, but not the spirit.
 
2012-08-16 11:38:09 AM
Pish, tosh, they were labeled a hate group for calling people who were not pedophiles pedophiles. There are anti-gay groups that hold the same moronic views as FRC without the accusing people of crimes they didn't commit thing. If people want to claim FRC is about family values, ask them what the family value in lying about people is. 

They got lucky, frankly, one day someone else who is a little deranged is going to take them seriously and shoot the 'pedophiles' before they can 'hurt more kids.'

...and on that day, as per usual, FRC will still defend its rhetoric as having nothing to do with what's happening around it. Their consistent doubling down on the 'we can't be responsible if people believe us when we lie' stuff will eventually cause them to lose a civil suit that ends in them being bankrupt...and they'll blame liberal judges, not the whole 'caught in the act of lying' thing.

If you want to be anti-gay families, and pro-homophobia, good for you, but if the only way you can do it is by lying, cheating, or breaking the law, you've got to wonder why you wouldn't embrace the term hate group for yourself, like the neonazis do.
 
2012-08-16 11:38:51 AM

dukwbutter: Actually, you know nothing about guns and almost all 9mm's are "automatics". This means "semi-automatic". One trigger pull = 1 round fired = "automatic". The more you know, libtards.


lol.

I'm not even a gun person and I know you are wrong.

A manual gun has to be cocked each time you want to pull the trigger. A pump shotgun would be an example of this. Another example would be a bolt action rifle.

A semi-automatic gun ejects the spent shell casing and loads another round into the chamber, as well as cocking the weapon, allowing a shot to be fired every single time you pull the trigger without the shooter having to do anything else. Example, a 1911. a Glock 9mm, Desert Eagle

A fully automatic weapon is basically the same as an semi-automatic weapon but is designed to allow the weapon to cycle and fire rounds as long as the trigger is pulled. Since this is generally wasteful due to recoil pushing you off target, Automatic weapons frequently have a selector allowing you to use them in Semi automatic fire, fully automatic, and possibly a 3 round burst. Example: M16.

Fully automatic weapons are really hard to get ahold of legally unless you want to join the army and use an M16. Need a lot of permits and permission slips.

Some semi-automatic weapons can be modified to fire fully automatically, but it's highly illegal. I imagine a lot of semi-automatic weapons aren't able to withstand that kind of force without breaking down too
 
2012-08-16 11:38:54 AM
Have any "liberal" sources or commentators suggested that the shooter was actually a conservative "plant" attempting to make opponents of oppression of homosexuals and transgender individuals appear to be violent and irrational?
 
2012-08-16 11:38:59 AM

Biness: nutbags are nutbags. Was it politically motivated? yep. so right wing has nuts. left wing has nuts. the only real constant is that CNN sucks and must serve their high overlord, liberals


Hey now, according to some Farkers, only conservatives would do such a thing. At least that is what they said about the last few right-wing wacko news stories.
 
2012-08-16 11:39:13 AM

Rostin: I realize you meant this as a joke, but in all seriousness, they have consistently dehumanized their ideological opponents by calling them "anti-gay," "bigots," "homophobes," "hateful," and the like for quite a long time.


That word doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
 
2012-08-16 11:40:41 AM
"The Dog Ate My Homework

How dare CNN report what the FBI has said, which is that it is too early to determine whether the shooting was politically motivated. Why does the FBI have such a liberal bias?"

Agreed. People also got all outraged when the police wouldn't comment on motive when the lesbian woman had slurs carved into her skin as well. It's not a matter of the authorities don't know what the motive is, it's a matter of the authorities don't want to destroy their case in court.
 
2012-08-16 11:41:31 AM

Ker_Thwap: While this blogger is projecting the actions/beliefs of one individual to an entire community... That's pretty much what every single group with an agenda does, left or right.


I don't think this it true. I think you're projecting that behavior onto groups with agendas.
 
2012-08-16 11:41:40 AM

dukwbutter: Shove it up your ass nimrod. You dont know shiat about guns. I grew up with them. Semi-automatic weapons are commonly referred to as "automatics". This is true of shotguns, pistols, and rifles. You wouldnt know because youre a liberal douche and have never fired a gun.


i.istockimg.com
 
2012-08-16 11:41:49 AM

palelizard: You're correct on the past tense bit. And it would have been easier to read with an 'of a' thrown in there... "volunteer's carrying of a chick-fil-a bag..."


Yeah, that would work. Or "Volunteer who carried a." Or basically anything except what he wrote. :P
 
2012-08-16 11:41:58 AM
They're shocked-shocked!-to discover their angry, hate-filled rhetoric has resulted in violence. Knock me over with a feather boa.

Nice, no rhetoric from the Right there, I guess All Our Base Belong to Them...

Seriously, the amount of Pot/Kettle in this single blog is amazing, but I've given up on anyone on the Right having any brains and using logic. Last person to have these qualities was Huntsman, and look what they did to him. Before that it was McCain, but in his desperate bid to get a mind-numbingly stupid woman a single heartbeat from the Big Red Button, he threw away all of his principles, and became just as vile as the rest of the Right.

Now, if this guy would like, we could examine all of the shootings in the last 5 years by Righties, and compare them to the guy who got shot in the arm yesterday, and is doing well now.
 
2012-08-16 11:42:08 AM

Vodka Zombie: Really? You're going to greenlight this jammie-wearing retard's blog?


t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-08-16 11:42:53 AM
Their side has ex-soldiers, we got some former USAF contractor. Drops the gun and surrenders. There will be more though, because of our easy access to firearms.
 
2012-08-16 11:43:06 AM
100 people were surveyed.....what is a lesson we learned from the movie "Basic Instinct"?

Jon iz teh kewl: gay members of society can be extremely violent.

 

i7.photobucket.com 

Survey says?!
 
2012-08-16 11:43:12 AM

Rostin: LasersHurt: Yes, the LGBT community is so well known for their angry, hateful rhetoric inciting violence. duh.

I realize you meant this as a joke, but in all seriousness, they have consistently dehumanized their ideological opponents by calling them "anti-gay," "bigots," "homophobes," "hateful," and the like for quite a long time. The Family Research Council has even been officially designated a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center. And then this Chik-fil-a thing happens. Dan Cathy, a known conservative Christian who directs a small fraction of his otherwise laudable charitable giving toward "anti-gay" causes, responds to a direct question from a journalist who works for a Christian publication by saying that he supports "traditional" marriage and the "biblical" understanding of family, and for two or three weeks solid, everyone loses their shiat and acts like he'shiatler reincarnated. Frankly, it's amazing that it took this long for something like this to happen.


They're not "dehumanizing" them by calling them anti-gay, or bigots, or homophobes. They're accurately labelling them. Those are just adjectives - adjectives that apply to humans, of course, who are individuals, alive, and worthy of not being killed.

My point is this - you rarely to never see pro-LGBT people recommending violence specifically. They are very public about their opinions of people who don't support LGBT rights, sure, but that's not an incitement to violence. I find that's a specific requirement that's often glossed over in these matters, on either side of the ideological fence. Sometimes people overreact to disagreeing by thinking it's an incitement to violence.

Of course some people overreact by shooting people, and, well, that's bad.
 
2012-08-16 11:43:32 AM

fluffy2097: A semi-automatic gun ejects the spent shell casing and loads another round into the chamber, as well as cocking the weapon, allowing a shot to be fired every single time you pull the trigger without the shooter having to do anything else. Example, a 1911. a Glock 9mm, Desert Eagle


hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
2012-08-16 11:45:03 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: palelizard: You're correct on the past tense bit. And it would have been easier to read with an 'of a' thrown in there... "volunteer's carrying of a chick-fil-a bag..."

Yeah, that would work. Or "Volunteer who carried a." Or basically anything except what he wrote. :P


glad that the plurality of errors was mentioned. I read the original headline as if the apostrophe were correct, but the use of the "carrying" was incorrectly implemented.
 
2012-08-16 11:45:33 AM

fluffy2097: dukwbutter: Actually, you know nothing about guns and almost all 9mm's are "automatics". This means "semi-automatic". One trigger pull = 1 round fired = "automatic". The more you know, libtards.

lol.

I'm not even a gun person and I know you are wrong.

A manual gun has to be cocked each time you want to pull the trigger. A pump shotgun would be an example of this. Another example would be a bolt action rifle.

A semi-automatic gun ejects the spent shell casing and loads another round into the chamber, as well as cocking the weapon, allowing a shot to be fired every single time you pull the trigger without the shooter having to do anything else. Example, a 1911. a Glock 9mm, Desert Eagle

A fully automatic weapon is basically the same as an semi-automatic weapon but is designed to allow the weapon to cycle and fire rounds as long as the trigger is pulled. Since this is generally wasteful due to recoil pushing you off target, Automatic weapons frequently have a selector allowing you to use them in Semi automatic fire, fully automatic, and possibly a 3 round burst. Example: M16.

Fully automatic weapons are really hard to get ahold of legally unless you want to join the army and use an M16. Need a lot of permits and permission slips.

Some semi-automatic weapons can be modified to fire fully automatically, but it's highly illegal. I imagine a lot of semi-automatic weapons aren't able to withstand that kind of force without breaking down too


Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Fully automatic weapons are very easy to get, proving you have no idea what you're talking about. All you need is a class III firearms permit. People do, in fact, routinely refer to semi-automatic pistols, rifles, and shotguns as "automatics", and, if you knew anything about guns (aside from what you read on the intertubes), then you'd know this.
 
2012-08-16 11:45:55 AM
"Ker_Thwap: While this blogger is projecting the actions/beliefs of one individual to an entire community... That's pretty much what every single group with an agenda does, left or right.

I don't think this it true. I think you're projecting that behavior onto groups with agendas."

I think you're projecting that I'm projecting.
 
2012-08-16 11:45:57 AM

fluffy2097: A semi-automatic gun ejects the spent shell casing and loads another round into the chamber, as well as cocking the weapon, allowing a shot to be fired every single time you pull the trigger without the shooter having to do anything else. Example, a 1911. a Glock 9mm, Desert Eagle


Picking nits, but what about a DAO semi, like Sig's DAK?
 
2012-08-16 11:46:55 AM

LasersHurt: They're accurately labelling them.


Kierkegaard is on line one for you.
 
2012-08-16 11:48:00 AM

lazerball: Vodka Zombie: Really? You're going to greenlight this jammie-wearing retard's blog?

[t2.gstatic.com image 225x225]


Yeah but the reasonably well written CNN article that subby references is right here, instead subby decided to link some crappy little blog, presumably because one of the Mods owns some of the ad revenue.
 
2012-08-16 11:48:31 AM

fluffy2097: dukwbutter: Actually, you know nothing about guns and almost all 9mm's are "automatics". This means "semi-automatic". One trigger pull = 1 round fired = "automatic". The more you know, libtards.

lol.

I'm not even a gun person and I know you are wrong.

A manual gun has to be cocked each time you want to pull the trigger. A pump shotgun would be an example of this. Another example would be a bolt action rifle.

A semi-automatic gun ejects the spent shell casing and loads another round into the chamber, as well as cocking the weapon, allowing a shot to be fired every single time you pull the trigger without the shooter having to do anything else. Example, a 1911. a Glock 9mm, Desert Eagle

A fully automatic weapon is basically the same as an semi-automatic weapon but is designed to allow the weapon to cycle and fire rounds as long as the trigger is pulled. Since this is generally wasteful due to recoil pushing you off target, Automatic weapons frequently have a selector allowing you to use them in Semi automatic fire, fully automatic, and possibly a 3 round burst. Example: M16.

Fully automatic weapons are really hard to get ahold of legally unless you want to join the army and use an M16. Need a lot of permits and permission slips.

Some semi-automatic weapons can be modified to fire fully automatically, but it's highly illegal. I imagine a lot of semi-automatic weapons aren't able to withstand that kind of force without breaking down too


Its obvious you are not a gin person. And yes, you are wrong. Semi-automatic weapons are routinely called automatics. You, sir, are a liberal idiot.
 
2012-08-16 11:48:31 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: [www.angryflower.com image 600x331]


OK, I missed the 'apostrophe no-no'...

it's--Contraction of 'it is'

volunteer's--Possessive of 'volunteer'(Could also be 'Bob's carrying of a loaded gun')

group's--Possessive of 'group'

CNN says it's it is way too early to say if LGBT volunteer's carrying of Chick-Fil-a bag and automatic weapon into conservative group's headquarters of conservative group is politically motivated

The 'of' makes the thing a little tighter, but if it isn't grammatically accurate, it's not because of apostrophes.
 
2012-08-16 11:48:58 AM

meanmutton: Can we stop calling a pistol an "automatic weapon" now, please?


Nope, semi-automatic doesnt sound as scary. Remember, facts and accuracy come second to selling the story...and nothing sells like scary.
 
2012-08-16 11:49:35 AM

CommieTaoist: So it's only relevant to point out links when someone idiot on the left does it yet how dare anyone mention such links when the idiot is a tea bagger, right?

/your blog sucks


You are missing the point.
The LSM was quick to assume the shooter at the Batman movie was a tea party member based on finding someone with the same name registered at a tea party site.

Here, with all the information they have, they still won't say speculate that it is politically motivated.

Do you see the difference?

BTW, just because a person is a LGBT volunteer does not mean that the person is into tea bagging as you claimed. There was nothing in the article about that.
 
2012-08-16 11:49:38 AM
www.mememaker.net
 
2012-08-16 11:49:43 AM

The Muthaship: LasersHurt: They're accurately labelling them.

Kierkegaard is on line one for you.


Oh stuff relativism, in this case. I care not for its waffliness in this specific case - it's pretty one-sided.
 
2012-08-16 11:50:16 AM

WTF Indeed: I'm sure everyone agrees now that guns should be controlled because when angry liberals have them the world is over.



Now we need guns because of angry liberals.

I'm so tired of all this Chick-Fil-A crap. You know what, the president of that corporation has the right to his own opinion and just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong.

If you don't like it, go eat somewhere else.
 
2012-08-16 11:51:10 AM

Cold_Sassy: I'm so tired of all this Chick-Fil-A crap. You know what, the president of that corporation has the right to his own opinion and just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong.

If you don't like it, go eat somewhere else.


... I believe that was the point?
 
2012-08-16 11:51:12 AM
I'm pretty neutral on the whole gun thing. Here's how I see it.

Normal gun: Bang, click, Bang, click, Bang.

Semi automatic: Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang.

Automatic: Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang
 
2012-08-16 11:51:23 AM

CAADbury: dukwbutter: Shove it up your ass nimrod. You dont know shiat about guns. I grew up with them. Semi-automatic weapons are commonly referred to as "automatics". This is true of shotguns, pistols, and rifles. You wouldnt know because youre a liberal douche and have never fired a gun.


Yes. The truth hurts Caadbury. Post LOL WUT when you dont understand something. Then post some bait jpg when youre proven to be an ignorant liberal douche. Well played, obama fan!
 
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