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2012-08-16 08:46:12 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: vogonity: Really? Well I guess the apostrophe in "it's" is correct. Please explain how the apostrophe in "volunteer's" is used correctly.

We've decided that it's supposed to be a possessive, but the rest of the headline is still painfully wrong, so mea culpa.


Preemptively calling everyone who disagrees with you a moron makes you a dick.
 
2012-08-16 09:16:08 PM

intelligent comment below: What is there to discuss? You think a guy donating money to known hate groups, denying humans basic human rights because your religious book says they are eeevviiiilll, is "not" being homophobic, bigoted, hateful, etc. You also think denying them a basic right such as marriage afforded to everyone else isn't being prejudiced because, well because dammit you say so

So good luck with that


Boy, you've got me there. Never heard that one before. Oh, wait, I have. Quoting from an earlier comment of mine,

These words are not just "accurate labels" for people. They are specifically calculated to create an emotional response and to short circuit empathy. It's very common to hear people say things like, "We don't need to listen to them; they're bigots, so it doesn't matter."

Congratulations on being both utterly predictable and for being so very good at following the other sheep.
 
2012-08-16 09:17:30 PM

Rostin: Kuroshin: Rostin: Kuroshin: That right there? That's a prime example of dissembling. Kudos on your intellectual dishonesty.

Prove it.

Prove your dissembling?

Yes, that.

Stop trying to be clever and tell me specifically what you think I said that was dissembling and intellectually dishonest, and why you think so. I'm not interested in trying to guess what you meant based on the poorly constructed rhetorical questions and vague accusations you make in your response.


Already did. Scroll wayyyyyyyyyy up.

Hell, just read some of the other responses in this thread. I don't need to go banging a drum repeating the same things everybody else is saying, in this thread and elsewhere.

Dissembling is all you've done this thread. Yes, those people do hate gays - in the manner that they hate murderers and rapists. They see "gayness" as a choice, not a nature. Gey people, to them, could be decent people that they could love and respect, if they hadn't decided to become gay and live a life that isn't just "against God" (their words, not mine), but so very icky as well.

How do I know this? Because much of my family *are* those people. Not only that, but I'm *surrounded* by those people daily.

The whole "traditional marriage" bit is a bullshiat Red Herring. They know it, we know it, and you know it. There is no such thing as "traditional marriage" in any context. It's a made-up catch phrase they can use to not sound like the bigots they are in public. Again, how do I know this? Because it's the "wink-wink-nudge-nudge" that goes around the entire fundamentalist community that I get exposed to constantly by my relatives.

You're dissembling. I'm not the only one who's called you out on it.
 
2012-08-16 09:21:44 PM

Rostin: intelligent comment below: What is there to discuss? You think a guy donating money to known hate groups, denying humans basic human rights because your religious book says they are eeevviiiilll, is "not" being homophobic, bigoted, hateful, etc. You also think denying them a basic right such as marriage afforded to everyone else isn't being prejudiced because, well because dammit you say so

So good luck with that

Boy, you've got me there. Never heard that one before. Oh, wait, I have. Quoting from an earlier comment of mine,

These words are not just "accurate labels" for people. They are specifically calculated to create an emotional response and to short circuit empathy. It's very common to hear people say things like, "We don't need to listen to them; they're bigots, so it doesn't matter."

Congratulations on being both utterly predictable and for being so very good at following the other sheep.


Again with the dissembling. Calling a bigot a bigot is no different than calling me "white" or "a man." Or, as can be tied into the thread, it is the same as calling some of my friends "homosexual." It's not a perjorative, it's a literal definition.

You're really trying hard to deflect here. If your posts weren't so well-crafted, I would have written you off as just a basic troll a long time ago. Instead I am thinking you're a PR front.
 
2012-08-16 09:39:53 PM

Kuroshin: Rostin: Kuroshin: Rostin: Kuroshin: That right there? That's a prime example of dissembling. Kudos on your intellectual dishonesty.

Prove it.

Prove your dissembling?

Yes, that.

Stop trying to be clever and tell me specifically what you think I said that was dissembling and intellectually dishonest, and why you think so. I'm not interested in trying to guess what you meant based on the poorly constructed rhetorical questions and vague accusations you make in your response.

Already did. Scroll wayyyyyyyyyy up.

Hell, just read some of the other responses in this thread. I don't need to go banging a drum repeating the same things everybody else is saying, in this thread and elsewhere.

Dissembling is all you've done this thread. Yes, those people do hate gays - in the manner that they hate murderers and rapists. They see "gayness" as a choice, not a nature. Gey people, to them, could be decent people that they could love and respect, if they hadn't decided to become gay and live a life that isn't just "against God" (their words, not mine), but so very icky as well.

How do I know this? Because much of my family *are* those people. Not only that, but I'm *surrounded* by those people daily.

The whole "traditional marriage" bit is a bullshiat Red Herring. They know it, we know it, and you know it. There is no such thing as "traditional marriage" in any context. It's a made-up catch phrase they can use to not sound like the bigots they are in public. Again, how do I know this? Because it's the "wink-wink-nudge-nudge" that goes around the entire fundamentalist community that I get exposed to constantly by my relatives.

You're dissembling. I'm not the only one who's called you out on it.


So.. because you think some of your family members are dishonest and/or misinformed about why people are gay and why gay marriage ought to be opposed, I and everyone else must be too? Is that your argument?

If "the whole traditional marriage thing" really is a "bullshiat red herring", how do you explain that a major component of the WinShape Foundation's donations are for marriage counseling, and that a supposedly anti-gay group like Focus on the Family has an entire section on their website that is devoted to marriage and yet has not a single mention of gay marriage? Is that all just a smokescreen so they can plausibly deny existing solely to subvert gay rights?

By the way, here's a partial transcript of an interview that James Dobson, founder of both Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council, did with Larry King, in which he emphatically denies that being gay is a choice. Maybe you could forward it to your relatives.
 
2012-08-16 09:57:28 PM

Rostin: Boy, you've got me there. Never heard that one before. Oh, wait, I have. Quoting from an earlier comment of mine,

These words are not just "accurate labels" for people. They are specifically calculated to create an emotional response and to short circuit empathy. It's very common to hear people say things like, "We don't need to listen to them; they're bigots, so it doesn't matter."

Congratulations on being both utterly predictable and for being so very good at following the other sheep.



So if I say traditional marriage is between a WHITE man and a WHITE woman, if you dare call me a racist I can cry you're the bigot and labeling me used to try and discredit what I say?

Oh you poor oppressed bigots funding hate groups. I feel so sorry for you
 
2012-08-16 09:58:43 PM

Rostin: So.. because you think some of your family members are dishonest and/or misinformed about why people are gay and why gay marriage ought to be opposed, I and everyone else must be too? Is that your argument?

If "the whole traditional marriage thing" really is a "bullshiat red herring", how do you explain that a major component of the WinShape Foundation's donations are for marriage counseling, and that a supposedly anti-gay group like Focus on the Family has an entire section on their website that is devoted to marriage and yet has not a single mention of gay marriage? Is that all just a smokescreen so they can plausibly deny existing solely to subvert gay rights?

By the way, here's a partial transcript of an interview that James Dobson, founder of both Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council, did with Larry King, in which he emphatically denies that being gay is a choice. Maybe you could forward it to your relatives.



You're right. You people are the most oppressed group in the nation. You can't even go around in public and tell everyone you believe in traditional marriage without fear of being lynched.
 
2012-08-16 10:05:50 PM

Kuroshin: Rostin: intelligent comment below: What is there to discuss? You think a guy donating money to known hate groups, denying humans basic human rights because your religious book says they are eeevviiiilll, is "not" being homophobic, bigoted, hateful, etc. You also think denying them a basic right such as marriage afforded to everyone else isn't being prejudiced because, well because dammit you say so

So good luck with that

Boy, you've got me there. Never heard that one before. Oh, wait, I have. Quoting from an earlier comment of mine,

These words are not just "accurate labels" for people. They are specifically calculated to create an emotional response and to short circuit empathy. It's very common to hear people say things like, "We don't need to listen to them; they're bigots, so it doesn't matter."

Congratulations on being both utterly predictable and for being so very good at following the other sheep.

Again with the dissembling. Calling a bigot a bigot is no different than calling me "white" or "a man." Or, as can be tied into the thread, it is the same as calling some of my friends "homosexual." It's not a perjorative, it's a literal definition.

You're really trying hard to deflect here. If your posts weren't so well-crafted, I would have written you off as just a basic troll a long time ago. Instead I am thinking you're a PR front.


I think we all have a pretty good idea about what makes a person a man or white. There are boundary cases that we could debate and cultural issues to account for, but on the whole, when we call a person "white" or "a man," I think we can agree that we are making basically factual statements.

Bigotry, on the other hand, is a value judgment, not a simple factual one. Please feel free to supply an alternative definition, but to me, a bigot is someone who is wrongfully intolerant (or intolerant in a wrongful way or to an excessive degree, maybe) of another person, point of view, action, putative identity characteristic, etc. You and I will agree that a person is or isn't a bigot only after we have already agreed about what should and shouldn't be tolerated, or about the appropriate ways of expressing disagreement. These things can be highly disputable, perhaps even subjective. Hence, they are in many cases nothing like race or biological sex (again, caveats apply).
 
2012-08-16 10:48:28 PM

intelligent comment below: Rostin: Boy, you've got me there. Never heard that one before. Oh, wait, I have. Quoting from an earlier comment of mine,

These words are not just "accurate labels" for people. They are specifically calculated to create an emotional response and to short circuit empathy. It's very common to hear people say things like, "We don't need to listen to them; they're bigots, so it doesn't matter."

Congratulations on being both utterly predictable and for being so very good at following the other sheep.


So if I say traditional marriage is between a WHITE man and a WHITE woman, if you dare call me a racist I can cry you're the bigot and labeling me used to try and discredit what I say?

Oh you poor oppressed bigots funding hate groups. I feel so sorry for you


I don't know what you want me to say, here. I already told you that I think it's reasonable to call racists racist, and I've explained why. Does this hypothetical you believe that only white people should or can get married because members of other races are inferior?

I will add that I've tried to consistently write "traditional" in quotes in this thread, because even though I don't think it's a very helpful way to refer to or defend the concept of marriage that Dan Cathy was (I assume) talking about, everyone still knows more or less what it means at this point in time.
 
2012-08-17 12:45:32 AM

Rostin: I don't know what you want me to say, here. I already told you that I think it's reasonable to call racists racist, and I've explained why. Does this hypothetical you believe that only white people should or can get married because members of other races are inferior?

I will add that I've tried to consistently write "traditional" in quotes in this thread, because even though I don't think it's a very helpful way to refer to or defend the concept of marriage that Dan Cathy was (I assume) talking about, everyone still knows more or less what it means at this point in time.



So you're just being willfully obtuse and dancing around the fact Cathy is a bigot and his company supports hate groups and it's justified to call people like that out. The end.
 
2012-08-17 07:56:38 AM

intelligent comment below: Rostin: I don't know what you want me to say, here. I already told you that I think it's reasonable to call racists racist, and I've explained why. Does this hypothetical you believe that only white people should or can get married because members of other races are inferior?

I will add that I've tried to consistently write "traditional" in quotes in this thread, because even though I don't think it's a very helpful way to refer to or defend the concept of marriage that Dan Cathy was (I assume) talking about, everyone still knows more or less what it means at this point in time.


So you're just being willfully obtuse and dancing around the fact Cathy is a bigot and his company supports hate groups and it's justified to call people like that out. The end.


Yes, that's it. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the things I've said in the dozen or so other comments I've made in this thread. I'm just being obtuse.
 
2012-08-17 08:05:35 AM

Rostin: Yes, that's it. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the things I've said in the dozen or so other comments I've made in this thread. I'm just being obtuse.


Hahaha! You are talking to intelligent comment below. You poor bastard.....
 
2012-08-17 08:15:21 AM

Mouser: Shooting up a room full of people I don't like = act of a deranged mind.
Shooting up a room full of people I do like = hate crime.


it's ok when we do it!
 
2012-08-17 08:32:03 AM

jodaveki: Pedophiles, Incestuals, Bestials, Polygamist: "I'd like marry my partner whom I love and to whom I commit myself."
LGBT: "You degrade marriage and disparage commitment."

Pedophiles, Incestuals, Bestials, Polygamist: "I want to adopt children and raise them to be good people who make the world a better place."
LGBT: "You want to pervert children and convert them to your lifestyle choice, and you will damage them psychologically so that they become maladjusted sociopaths."

Pedophiles, Incestuals, Bestials, Polygamist: "I want to be free of discrimination in the workplace based on my sexuality."
LGBT: "Your sexuality is an affront to fabulous employers and they shouldn't have tolerate your presence."

Pedophiles, Incestuals, Bestials, Polygamist: "I want to be able to care for and visit in the hospital my dying partner(s), and have the power to sort out their affairs since I've lived with them for so many years."
LGBT: "Yours is a kind that is so perverted it cannot be termed 'love,' and you are unfit to give final comfort in their last hours."

Pedophiles, Incestuals, Bestials, Polygamists: "I hope you and your ilk starve."
LGBT: "You will burn in hell for eternity."

Yah. Both sides. Hateful


i think that just about wraps up this thread, anyone got something else to add?

/hit the lights when you leave
 
2012-08-17 08:37:25 AM

I drunk what: i think that just about wraps up this thread


actually to be exact that stuff plus:

puddleonfire: AND YOU ALL FELL FOR THE TROLL THREAD


THIS^

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2012-08-17 11:56:34 AM

The Muthaship: Rostin: Yes, that's it. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the things I've said in the dozen or so other comments I've made in this thread. I'm just being obtuse.

Hahaha! You are talking to intelligent comment below. You poor bastard.....



Sticking up for a bigoted troll? Your mom must be proud
 
2012-08-17 12:30:53 PM
LGBT volunteer's
Left.
carrying Chick-Fil-a bag
Right.
and automatic weapon
Right.
into conservative group's headquarters
Left.


I don't get it.
 
2012-08-18 01:25:27 AM
Has anyone mentioned your blog sucks?

How 'bout; "you are bad and you should feel bad"?
 
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