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2012-08-16 11:51:31 AM

zedster: The suspect's weapon was a legally obtained 9 mm handgun, according to another law enforcement official.

I doubt he had a legally obtained 9mm automatic handgun, not too many of those.


Actually, they are usually called 'Automatic', even though they are semi auto by definition. It's a way to distinguish from revolvers, where double-action makes them a semi-auto, but they still have a revolving chamber.
 
2012-08-16 11:52:51 AM

odinsposse: Maybe he was just doing that moral exchange thing people were talking about. You know, you eat at Chik-Fil-a and then donate money to a pro-gay group. He just decided to shoot up some anti-gay people instead.

Also, can anyone think of another instance of an angry crazy liberal shooting up anything? This may be the first time.


Discovery building shooting
 
2012-08-16 11:53:39 AM

Hack Patooey: [www.mememaker.net image 400x398]


Good luck getting homosexualmisia to catch on.

Homomisia is already hatred of the same.

I guess technically Homophobia is fear of the same as well
 
2012-08-16 11:54:01 AM

Ker_Thwap: I'm pretty neutral on the whole gun thing. Here's how I see it.

Normal gun: Bang, click, Bang, click, Bang.

Semi automatic: Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang.

Automatic: Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang


Semi-automatic firearms seem to be the "norm" now.

/Why did my "quote" button disappear?
 
2012-08-16 11:55:04 AM
A) Three people were shot to death at Texas A&M earlier this week.
B) Two police officers were shot to death in Louisiana this morning.
C) An FRC security guard was shot in the arm yesterday.

Which one do you think will still be in the news two weeks from now, A), B), or C)?

Explain your reasoning.
 
2012-08-16 11:56:56 AM

Ker_Thwap: I'm pretty neutral on the whole gun thing. Here's how I see it.

Normal gun: Bang, click, Bang, click, Bang.

Semi automatic: Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang.

Automatic: Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang


Most normal guns are semi automatic in that they re-cock themselves and when you pull the trigger again they go boom.
 
2012-08-16 11:56:58 AM

meanmutton: Roughing The Snapper: The volunteer's what?

The volunteer is carrying.

Contractions, how the fark do they work? Oh, this will tell you! Contractions (Grammar) - English


NO, it is possessive. The volunteers(Unsaid) ACT of carrying.

The word 'of' would have helped. 'The volunteer's carrying of a gun...'

Besides, would one of you dense people explain WHY subby would be pluralizing 'volunteer' WHEN THERE WAS ONLY ONE SHOOTER?
 
2012-08-16 11:57:35 AM
So this guy had 15 Chik-fil-a sandwiches in his backpack.

What was he planning to do? Was he stocked up for a long siege? Planning to make a statement by placing one one on each body?

In any case, I bet he was the best-smelling ideological killer ever.
 
2012-08-16 11:57:52 AM

Lutrasimilis: A) Three people were shot to death at Texas A&M earlier this week.
B) Two police officers were shot to death in Louisiana this morning.
C) An FRC security guard was shot in the arm yesterday.

Which one do you think will still be in the news two weeks from now, A), B), or C)?

Explain your reasoning.


none.

people won't care in two weeks, or something more dramatic will happen.
 
2012-08-16 11:58:32 AM
Subby gets major points for:

1) Correct use of an apostrophe
2) Outing a number of wannabe grammar Nazis who should probably brush up before attempting to cast stones
 
2012-08-16 11:58:38 AM
If the Republican party wanted to ban cookies and I walked into a Romney campaign office with a pack of Famous Amos and a .380 and I being "political".
 
2012-08-16 11:58:59 AM

pute kisses like a man: Lutrasimilis: A) Three people were shot to death at Texas A&M earlier this week.
B) Two police officers were shot to death in Louisiana this morning.
C) An FRC security guard was shot in the arm yesterday.

Which one do you think will still be in the news two weeks from now, A), B), or C)?

Explain your reasoning.

none.

people won't care in two weeks, or something more dramatic will happen.


A couple of cops were killed in Louisiana today after two other cops were shot in an ambush.

Expect that to take front and center today.
 
2012-08-16 11:59:30 AM

tricycleracer: If the Republican party wanted to ban cookies and I walked into a Romney campaign office with a pack of Famous Amos and a .380 am I being "political"?


Wow, really hate the placement of the "Add Comment" button.
 
2012-08-16 12:00:42 PM

Dimensio: Ker_Thwap: I'm pretty neutral on the whole gun thing. Here's how I see it.

Normal gun: Bang, click, Bang, click, Bang.

Semi automatic: Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang.

Automatic: Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang

Semi-automatic firearms seem to be the "norm" now.

/Why did my "quote" button disappear?


The norm for over 100 years now.
 
2012-08-16 12:00:44 PM
"/Why did my "quote" button disappear?"

I can never quote on these boards. I run NoScript and Adblock and all that crap. I imagine I haven't given permission to some harmless script while trying to block all of the intrusive scripts.
 
2012-08-16 12:00:59 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: BTW, just because a person is a LGBT volunteer does not mean that the person is into tea bagging as you claimed. There was nothing in the article about that.


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2012-08-16 12:01:32 PM
tricycleracer: tricycleracer: If the Republican party wanted to ban cookies and I walked into a Romney campaign office with a pack of Famous Amos and a .380 am I being "political"?

Wow, really hate the placement of the "Add Comment" button.


I am still attempting to locate the "quote" button.
 
2012-08-16 12:01:48 PM

tricycleracer: Wow, really hate the placement of the "Add Comment" button.


You'll get over it.
 
2012-08-16 12:03:35 PM
Ker_Thwap: I can never quote on these boards. I run NoScript and Adblock and all that crap. I imagine I haven't given permission to some harmless script while trying to block all of the intrusive scripts.

My "quote" button disappeared within the hour. It does not appear in any browser, including browsers on computers without any plug-ins installed.
 
2012-08-16 12:04:25 PM

Dimensio


I am still attempting to locate the "quote" button.


Seriously?

It's that little square button next to the date. The button has quotation marks on it for some reason.
 
2012-08-16 12:05:13 PM
Like I said, I could give a crap about guns.

Just remove the normal line from the my quote if it makes you happier. My point is that even a casual reader of gun related articles can figure out the difference between semi-automatic and automatic. If you feel the need to argue semantics further then you probably have an agenda.
 
2012-08-16 12:05:34 PM

dukwbutter: almost all 9mm's are "automatics". This means "semi-automatic"


LOL, no circular logic there, 'Automatic means semi-automatic?', you sure you want to stand on that statement?

dukwbutter: One trigger pull = 1 round fired = "automatic". The more you know, libtards.


Actually, it is "One trigger pull = 1 round fired = semi-automatic>"

The more you know, moron.

Here's what happens; Magazine fed(Auto-loader pistols) are 'usually' called automatics to set them apart from revolvers, but it IS NOT SET IN STONE, and your "logic" has to be some of the most misinformed bullshiat I've ever seen. You sound about as familiar with guns as Sarah Palin. You can't even use the '1 trigger pull = 1 shot thing in guns, because a double action revolver does not require you to cock the gun in any way to fire, so you can pull the trigger 6 (Or 5, 7, 8 or 9, depending on the revolver), times and it will fire each time without you having to do anything but pull the trigger.

But, hey, go ahead and throw out the term "libtards", I usually get accused of being a Liberal because I can't stand the current batch of republicans. Funny how this supposed "Lib" understand the very basic ideas about guns more than you do.
 
2012-08-16 12:06:07 PM

LasersHurt: They're not "dehumanizing" them by calling them anti-gay, or bigots, or homophobes. They're accurately labelling them. Those are just adjectives - adjectives that apply to humans, of course, who are individuals, alive, and worthy of not being killed.


I'm certainly glad that you recognize that they are human individuals who don't deserve to be killed, but I stand by what I said. When we resort to labeling people based on what we believe their motivations to be while ignoring what they actually say, we have ceased to treat them like fellow human beings. These words are not just "accurate labels" for people. They are specifically calculated to create an emotional response and to short circuit empathy. It's very common to hear people say things like, "We don't need to listen to them; they're bigots, so it doesn't matter."

My point is this - you rarely to never see pro-LGBT people recommending violence specifically. They are very public about their opinions of people who don't support LGBT rights, sure, but that's not an incitement to violence. I find that's a specific requirement that's often glossed over in these matters, on either side of the ideological fence. Sometimes people overreact to disagreeing by thinking it's an incitement to violence. Of course some people overreact by shooting people, and, well, that's bad.

That is a fair point, but it doesn't change the fact that people on both sides are guilty of treating their opponents as less than human in the way that I described.
 
2012-08-16 12:06:17 PM
Wait, how do we know he wasn't just standing his ground?
 
2012-08-16 12:06:19 PM

Arcanum: I think the Chik Fil A thing is that people want the right to have their conservative views without democrat mayors becoming fascists about it. It's none of their business what someone's political views are.

If someone wants to protest those views, that's what America's all about. If someone wants to shut down businesses with the 'wrong' opinions, that is a different matter.


Sigh. This canard again.

These "conservative views" and "'wrong' opinions" (from Chick-fil-A) are about using their customers' money to criminalize (or re-criminalize, or prevent decriminalization of) homosexuality both in the US and elsewhere (like Uganda). If all Chick-fil-A had been doing was saying "Gays are icky," well, they'd still be a pretty nasty bunch of idiots, but yes, then it would be free speech/political views issue as you claim.

I don't know if you're repeating this misinformation because you simply don't know better or not. If so, please educate yourself.
 
2012-08-16 12:07:11 PM

Arcanum: I'm pretty conservative. Most here would think I'm very conservative.

It's annoying as all hell when some nutjob is associated with a conservative movement.

It would be intellectually dishonest for me to say this nutjob is associated with the gay marriage movement.

he's just crazy. Our various disagreements are not affected. Abortion's wrongfulness is not alleviated when some monster bombs a clinic. Gabby Giffords doesn't become right about politics when some monster shoots her. The Gay marriage movement shouldn't be ashamed of some nutjob.

This should be obvious, and I hope the right doesn't make hay out of this psycho. But I also hope the left doesn't make hay when it has the chance. It's annoying as hell.


Here's the difference. In their zeal to project a macho Law-and-order, Go-go-military, red-meat image republicans - not conservatives, but republicans specifically - use violent and war like imagery that encourages their nutballs to buy guns and think about using them against their perceived enemies. Combine that with the NRA making the GOP their biatch and you have a situation where it's NOT just crazy people doing horrible things, it's specifically easily led, angry people gravitating toward angry, blame filled republican rhetoric that do horrible things specifically targeting the government and democrats.

You can say it's just crazy people, but the numbers do not lie. For every liberal nutjob killing people, there are scores of GOP inspired deaths. And by the way, liberals generally don't give a fark what you do so long as you don't discriminate against other people, so the persecution of Right wing nutjobs against their "Way of life" is unfounded. What IS NOT unfounded is the liberal argument that laws are specifically being passed to outlaw THEIR way of life, like laws forbidding partners from seeing loved ones in the hospital because they aren't "related" OR laws making Civil unions for gay folks illegal so they can't buy a house together, co-own a car or really anything that makes life more convenient OR that travesty of a bankruptcy law that shields the rich when they get into trouble but cripples the poor OR the selectively enforced war on drugs that is really a war on brown people with drugs.

Quite frankly, you look at who is oppressing whom and you wonder why there aren't more liberal on conservative violently politically motivated crimes. Then again, rational people, no matter how motivated and spun up with rhetoric will not do these kinds of things and it takes a rational person to realize that rich white straight people have gamed the system to perpetuate their own interests and be mad about that.
 
2012-08-16 12:07:22 PM

Mikey1969: The 'of' makes the thing a little tighter, but if it isn't grammatically accurate, it's not because of apostrophes.


Like I said before, whether it was supposed to be a mangled plural or a mangled possessive (I didn't see it as being a possessive because that just makes the rest of it even more wrong), it was still mangled to the point of being comprehended in a dozen different ways by a dozen different people. Therefore, not a good headline. We can all agree on that, yes?
 
2012-08-16 12:07:45 PM

badaboom: CNN and the liberal blogosphere have blood on their hands. They inspired this lunatic to go on a killing rampage which luckily was stopped by the security guard. When will they stop spewing their hate? The FCC should immediately censor Rachel Maddow, the View, and other liberal commentators before they incite more violence.


Good thing they didn't do something like sponsor a 'Let's fire an M16 to remove Gabrielle Giffords from office' event, or you might have a point.
 
2012-08-16 12:07:57 PM
Hmh. Hateful speech from the LGBT community.

From the L. G. B. T. Community.

Hateful. As in "I hate you and want you to burn in hell."

I see.
 
2012-08-16 12:09:52 PM
How could this have even happened? I mean, aren't guns illegal in DC?
 
2012-08-16 12:10:26 PM
I thought that the Right liked "second amendment solutions".
 
2012-08-16 12:11:05 PM

jodaveki: Hmh. Hateful speech from the LGBT community.

From the L. G. B. T. Community.

Hateful. As in "I hate you and want you to burn in hell."

I see.


but what does it MEAN?
 
2012-08-16 12:13:41 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Fluorescent Testicle: Whether subby farked up the apostrophe or farked up the tenses, it's still farked up.

Actually, it probably should have been "Was" regardless. Goddamn, what a complete raping of the English language.


The headline uses "CNN says..." in the present tense, so even though it's reported speech, the tense doesn't necessarily have to be pushed back, meaning "is" is fine.

Don't worry, Subby, I appreciated your headline.
 
2012-08-16 12:13:52 PM

Rostin: LasersHurt: They're not "dehumanizing" them by calling them anti-gay, or bigots, or homophobes. They're accurately labelling them. Those are just adjectives - adjectives that apply to humans, of course, who are individuals, alive, and worthy of not being killed.

I'm certainly glad that you recognize that they are human individuals who don't deserve to be killed, but I stand by what I said. When we resort to labeling people based on what we believe their motivations to be while ignoring what they actually say, we have ceased to treat them like fellow human beings. These words are not just "accurate labels" for people. They are specifically calculated to create an emotional response and to short circuit empathy. It's very common to hear people say things like, "We don't need to listen to them; they're bigots, so it doesn't matter."

My point is this - you rarely to never see pro-LGBT people recommending violence specifically. They are very public about their opinions of people who don't support LGBT rights, sure, but that's not an incitement to violence. I find that's a specific requirement that's often glossed over in these matters, on either side of the ideological fence. Sometimes people overreact to disagreeing by thinking it's an incitement to violence. Of course some people overreact by shooting people, and, well, that's bad.

That is a fair point, but it doesn't change the fact that people on both sides are guilty of treating their opponents as less than human in the way that I described.


... They actually say that they do not support equal rights for homosexuals. That's not a subtle inference.
 
2012-08-16 12:14:10 PM

Walker: I'm shocked that the Family Research Council, a "hate group" according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, is causing hate. Hate begets hate. Don't put it out there if you don't want it back.


Watch the FRC start whining about their hate group status on right-wing media after this shiat. "They painted a target on our backs" will be the line. They just won a major propaganda victory against the gay rights movement and can demonize activists like never before.

Thankfully, nobody died. The last thing we need right now are more people getting killed by random psychos.
 
2012-08-16 12:17:15 PM
Englebert Slaptyback: Dimensio

I am still attempting to locate the "quote" button.


Seriously?

It's that little square button next to the date. The button has quotation marks on it for some reason.



members.iglou.com

Evidently I am of below average intelligence. Perhaps you could highlight the specific location of the "little square button next to the date".
 
2012-08-16 12:18:03 PM

PiffMan420:

Thankfully, nobody died. The last thing we need right now are more people getting killed by random psychos.


true. right wing nutballs are generally better shots.

*sigh*

this incident does not help. just because right wing nutballs run around shooting people they don't like does NOT mean that left wing nutballs get to do the same. KNOCK IT OFF PEOPLE! yeesh.
 
2012-08-16 12:18:05 PM
A Chi-fil-A bag? Awesome! Must have missed that part from the earlier articles. At least he had a sense of humor.
 
2012-08-16 12:18:22 PM
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2012-08-16 12:07:57 PM

Hmh. Hateful speech from the LGBT community.

From the L. G. B. T. Community.

Hateful. As in "I hate you and want you to burn in hell."

I see.


I'm a moderate, so I tend to piss off twice as many people. That said, I see plenty of hateful left wing speech also. The most recent example I can think of was "I hope every Chik Fil A franchise owner and his family starves." I don't think people even stop to consider how things they say can be hateful when they're all caught up in being moral.
 
2012-08-16 12:19:03 PM

dukwbutter: Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Fully automatic weapons are very easy to get, proving you have no idea what you're talking about. All you need is a class III firearms permit. People do, in fact, routinely refer to semi-automatic pistols, rifles, and shotguns as "automatics", and, if you knew anything about guns (aside from what you read on the intertubes), then you'd know this.


No, for a Class 3 you need a FFL first and then you can become a SOT.

Unless you're mistakenly referring to a tax stamp as a "class III firearms permit". Which it isn't.
 
2012-08-16 12:20:19 PM

PiffMan420: Watch the FRC start whining about their hate group status on right-wing media after this shiat. "They painted a target on our backs" will be the line. They just won a major propaganda victory against the gay rights movement and can demonize activists like never before.
.


The FRC started this whine about 10 minutes after the incident. If you ask their supporters if they approve of the actions that got the FRC said label, they shut up and go away.
 
2012-08-16 12:21:28 PM
I have an uber liberal friend, who lives overseas now. When its a right wing nut with a gun going crazy, he floods his facebook page with articles and his own opinions about guns, America, and right wingers. When its a lefty who has flipped out, his page goes into media blackout, nary a mention of it. He is either choosing to ignore it, or the places he goes for news isn't reporting it
 
2012-08-16 12:22:15 PM

BigNumber12: Subby gets major points for:

1) Correct use of an apostrophe
2) Outing a number of wannabe grammar Nazis who should probably brush up before attempting to cast stones


Really? Well I guess the apostrophe in "it's" is correct. Please explain how the apostrophe in "volunteer's" is used correctly.
 
2012-08-16 12:22:50 PM
I'm pretty sure dukwbutter is just trolling. At least I hope so. That kind of aggressive ignorance would be dangerous if it were real.
 
2012-08-16 12:24:42 PM

vogonity: BigNumber12: Subby gets major points for:

1) Correct use of an apostrophe
2) Outing a number of wannabe grammar Nazis who should probably brush up before attempting to cast stones

Really? Well I guess the apostrophe in "it's" is correct. Please explain how the apostrophe in "volunteer's" is used correctly.


The object being possessed by the volunteer is the action "carrying Chick-Fil-a bag and automatic weapon into conservative group's headquarters".

/right?
 
2012-08-16 12:24:52 PM

Dimensio: Englebert Slaptyback: Dimensio

I am still attempting to locate the "quote" button.


Seriously?

It's that little square button next to the date. The button has quotation marks on it for some reason.


[members.iglou.com image 659x170]

Evidently I am of below average intelligence. Perhaps you could highlight the specific location of the "little square button next to the date".


You gotta be logged in first, ie: from the very top of the page it should indicate you are logged in, and your browser and its relation to cookies and/or javascript could be a factor as well.

I think FARK's login management system leaves a bit to be desired, but I have seen very few that don't suck or require me to link to facebook...
 
2012-08-16 12:25:01 PM

vogonity: Really? Well I guess the apostrophe in "it's" is correct. Please explain how the apostrophe in "volunteer's" is used correctly.


We've decided that it's supposed to be a possessive, but the rest of the headline is still painfully wrong, so mea culpa.
 
2012-08-16 12:25:06 PM

Ker_Thwap:
I'm a moderate, so I tend to piss off twice as many people. That said, I see plenty of hateful left wing speech also. The most recent example I can think of was "I hope every Chik Fil A franchise owner and his family starves." I don't think people even stop to consider how things they say can be hateful when they're all caught up in being moral.


I would not consider an "I hope" to be hatespeech. If someone had said "Every Chick-Fil-A franchise owner is a pedophile" (which is the same as what FRC did) I'd consider that hatespeech. No one goes out and shoots someone because someone hopes they starve. If you're saying people have committed crimes, and the cops won't do anything about it, you're inviting the mentally unstable to do your dirty work for you.
Of course, then you have idiots who claim there is no hatespeech because you need to have a mind reader to know why people say things. Or as I call those folk...Idiots. 

Hatespeech is for people too cowardly to stand behind their actions, and too crazy to tell the truth.
 
2012-08-16 12:26:25 PM

Fish in a Barrel: vogonity: BigNumber12: Subby gets major points for:

1) Correct use of an apostrophe
2) Outing a number of wannabe grammar Nazis who should probably brush up before attempting to cast stones

Really? Well I guess the apostrophe in "it's" is correct. Please explain how the apostrophe in "volunteer's" is used correctly.

The object being possessed by the volunteer is the action "carrying Chick-Fil-a bag and automatic weapon into conservative group's headquarters".

/right?


Yup, but that's a bit sloppy, hence the amount of confusion. I'm fixing to get me one o' them there ditchy ordinaries and find me some learnings on this here.
 
2012-08-16 12:26:54 PM
Goddamn gays and their handguns.
 
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