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2012-08-16 11:21:06 AM
As a liberal, I feel sad about this. Conservatives can walk into any place and kill anyone they want, just look at Dr. Tiller. They are so much better at this than we are.
 
2012-08-16 11:21:13 AM

zcat: If you're talking about the headline, the apostrophe in "volunteer's" is correct. "Carrying" is a noun the way it's used here.


You must be the subby, because no.

FTFH: CNN says it's way too early to say if LGBT volunteer is carrying Chick-Fil-a bag and automatic weapon into conservative group's headquarters is politically motivated.

If that makes sense to you, you might be a moron.
 
2012-08-16 11:21:14 AM

Roughing The Snapper: The volunteer's what?


Carrying. It's correct.
 
2012-08-16 11:21:23 AM

Highroller48: I'm always amazed at how few peopole konw the dirfference between "Semi-Automatic" and "Automatic".

It's very simple, folks...If more than one bullet comes out when you squeeze the trigger once (a la Robocop), only then is it an "automatic".


Technically speaking, 'automatic' in reference to a handgun can mean semi-automatic. It refers to automatic loading (rather than automatic firing like colloquially used), is in contrast to revolvers or derringers.
 
2012-08-16 11:21:27 AM

malaktaus: When used to refer to handguns, 'automatic' can mean semiautomatic. No, this doesn't really make sense, but there you go.


It's a pretty archaic usage. Most people avoid it because of the ambiguity. It seems more likely that subby just doesn't know gun nomenclature very well.
 
2012-08-16 11:21:46 AM

malaktaus: zedster: The suspect's weapon was a legally obtained 9 mm handgun, according to another law enforcement official.

I doubt he had a legally obtained 9mm automatic handgun, not too many of those.

When used to refer to handguns, 'automatic' can mean semiautomatic.


No, it really can't. True, it's become common to do so, but it's still technically wrong.
 
2012-08-16 11:22:09 AM

LasersHurt: Yes, the LGBT community is so well known for their angry, hateful rhetoric inciting violence. duh.



Billy's not a real transsexual, but he thinks he is. He tries to be. He's tried to be a lot of things, I expect.
 
2012-08-16 11:22:14 AM
question for the arm chair lawyers out there. If CNN said the shooting was politically motivated and it was later proved not to be would they be liable for anything?
 
2012-08-16 11:22:25 AM

jbuist: Bingo. If you decide you really don't like Democrats or Republicans because your Cheerios told you bad things about one of the groups it's not important which group you sided with.


To be fair, I don't think this is an out and out looney bins crazy person. I think it was a person at the far end of the spectrum, no doubt, but there were obviously political leanings there.

The point being, I can admit that there are crazy people will all sorts of political views. They are horrible people that have no place in our society.

Meanwhile, there are people that have spent time on Fark arguing that Eric Robert Rudolph wasn't religious or right-wing because they need to defend "their team"
 
2012-08-16 11:22:44 AM
While this blogger is projecting the actions/beliefs of one individual to an entire community... That's pretty much what every single group with an agenda does, left or right.

For everyone's preaching about how their group alone is the one full of kindness and light, it doesn't stop any of them from cutting me off on the highway when they're in a hurry. People are just idiots no matter if they have Coexist bumper stickers or Jesus Fish bumper stickers.

Everyone wants to be outraged, no one wants to discuss differences.
 
2012-08-16 11:22:51 AM

Biness: nutbags are nutbags. Was it politically motivated? yep. so right wing has nuts. left wing has nuts. the only real constant is that CNN sucks and must serve their high overlord, liberals


You sound cute. Are you a catcher?
 
2012-08-16 11:22:55 AM
Nutjobs attacking nutjobs. Apparently it's open season.

/daffyduck.gif
 
2012-08-16 11:23:21 AM

meanmutton: Can you please point out when there was a politically motivated attack perpetuated by someone who was politically active in conservative politics?


You say this as thought it would be hard to point out...
 
2012-08-16 11:23:30 AM

tuxq: there are a LOT of leftists on here. i'm going back to slashdot so I can find my center.


You Apple lover
 
2012-08-16 11:23:53 AM
Whenever a left wing crazy fails, the link is always blamed. It's the link's fault.

/not subby

I figured this was just an isolated incident of one nutjob. There's no politics in play when it is a crazy person.

There's no politics in play unless it is a right winger tea party white guy white pride hick. Then it is a national dilemma. Everybody panic. They are everywhere.

There will be no further discussion in the media about this shooter. If he could be described as a Repubican, we would know everything about his entire life in 24 hours via the media.
 
2012-08-16 11:24:04 AM
When you actively work to restrict someone from life's greatest aspect, love, you may see a less than peachy response. Honestly for such a repressed group it does make me wonder how they have maintained an incredibly peaceful (with very rare exceptions) civil rights approach. Yet those that are doing the oppression are allowed to spew their hate and vitriol with relative impunity because they hide behind a book about a religion that they know nothing about.
 
2012-08-16 11:24:07 AM

meanmutton: CommieTaoist: So it's only relevant to point out links when someone idiot on the left does it yet how dare anyone mention such links when the idiot is a tea bagger, right?

/your blog sucks

Can you please point out when there was a politically motivated attack perpetuated by someone who was politically active in conservative politics?


Every single abortion clinic shooting, bombing and assassination.
 
2012-08-16 11:24:22 AM

sprawl15: Highroller48: I'm always amazed at how few peopole konw the dirfference between "Semi-Automatic" and "Automatic".

It's very simple, folks...If more than one bullet comes out when you squeeze the trigger once (a la Robocop), only then is it an "automatic".

Technically speaking, 'automatic' in reference to a handgun can mean semi-automatic. It refers to automatic loading (rather than automatic firing like colloquially used), is in contrast to revolvers or derringers.


I can't agree here. The term has become bastardized by misuse when it comes to handuns. That doesn't mean it's correct to call a semi weapon "automatic".
 
2012-08-16 11:24:25 AM
well if they support traditional family values, that means they are hate-mongers and should be destroyed.
totally justifiable.
 
2012-08-16 11:25:03 AM

zedster: The suspect's weapon was a legally obtained 9 mm handgun, according to another law enforcement official.

I doubt he had a legally obtained 9mm automatic handgun, not too many of those.


Actually, you know nothing about guns and almost all 9mm's are "automatics". This means "semi-automatic". One trigger pull = 1 round fired = "automatic". The more you know, libtards.
 
2012-08-16 11:25:45 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: zcat: If you're talking about the headline, the apostrophe in "volunteer's" is correct. "Carrying" is a noun the way it's used here.

You must be the subby, because no.

FTFH: CNN says it's way too early to say if LGBT volunteer is carrying Chick-Fil-a bag and automatic weapon into conservative group's headquarters is politically motivated.

If that makes sense to you, you might be a moron.


Apostrophes are also used for possessives. The act of carrying [the bag and gun] belongs to the volunteer.
 
2012-08-16 11:25:50 AM

Highroller48: malaktaus: zedster: The suspect's weapon was a legally obtained 9 mm handgun, according to another law enforcement official.

I doubt he had a legally obtained 9mm automatic handgun, not too many of those.

When used to refer to handguns, 'automatic' can mean semiautomatic.

No, it really can't. True, it's become common to do so, but it's still technically wrong.


No, he's right, and it isn't new. When the first "semi-automatic" pistols came out they were called "automatics".

Hence the "A" in "ACP". "Automatic Colt Pistol".

It's a really old usage though. Pretty sure it died with the introduction of "fully automatic" pistols and SMGs (or machine pistols if you like). .
 
2012-08-16 11:25:50 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: [www.angryflower.com image 600x331]


ha ha you're a moron.
 
2012-08-16 11:25:56 AM

Dimensio: From the blog posting

They're shocked-shocked!-to discover their angry, hate-filled rhetoric has resulted in violence. Knock me over with a feather boa.

Perhaps, were the author to identify specific "angry, hate-filled rhetoric", the author's claims and conclusions would be more viable.


I felt it was odd that a conservative blog was so willing to point out the FRC's hate rhetoric, especially as blame for why a disturbed individual would shoot at them. I mean, it's probably true, the FRC's hate and intolerance is probably a key factor in pushing a mentally ill individual over the edge, but for this conservative blog to admit it? Surprising.

/lalalalaicanthearyou
 
2012-08-16 11:26:25 AM
The most recent obsession of the angry, gay left

/Author is asshole
//Subby is asshole for even knowing this blog exists
///Sad at the amount of hits he will get because of this going green
 
2012-08-16 11:26:29 AM

colon_pow: well if they support traditional family values, that means they are hate-mongers and should be destroyed.
totally justifiable.


The Family Research Council support polygamy like it is advocated in the bible?
 
2012-08-16 11:26:41 AM
Subby,

Please learn how apostrophes work. It's not difficult.

/Really it's not.
 
2012-08-16 11:26:54 AM

odinsposse: Maybe he was just doing that moral exchange thing people were talking about. You know, you eat at Chik-Fil-a and then donate money to a pro-gay group. He just decided to shoot up some anti-gay people instead.

Also, can anyone think of another instance of an angry crazy liberal shooting up anything? This may be the first time.


You're kidding, right? Weather Underground, Black Liberation Army, May 19th Organization, etc.?
 
2012-08-16 11:27:09 AM

barneyfifesbullet: Whenever a left wing crazy fails, the link is always blamed. It's the link's fault.

/not subby

I figured this was just an isolated incident of one nutjob. There's no politics in play when it is a crazy person.

There's no politics in play unless it is a right winger tea party white guy white pride hick. Then it is a national dilemma. Everybody panic. They are everywhere.

There will be no further discussion in the media about this shooter. If he could be described as a Repubican, we would know everything about his entire life in 24 hours via the media.


You sound persecuted.
 
2012-08-16 11:27:15 AM

Highroller48: The term has become bastardized by misuse when it comes to handuns.


Which doesn't mean the nomenclature is wrong. That just means that some people are ignorant. Welcome to Earth.

Highroller48: That doesn't mean it's correct to call a semi weapon "automatic".


Use the full terms and you'll see how silly your statement is: "That doesn't mean it's correct to call a semi-automatic firing weapon automatic loading." Sure. A revolver is semi-automatic firing but isn't automatic loading. What's the point of saying that?
 
2012-08-16 11:27:37 AM

Madbassist1: Fluorescent Testicle: [www.angryflower.com image 600x331]

ha ha you're a moron.


oh...I see there are ...several apostrophes in that sentence...not just the one I saw (it's). I'm going to go away in shame now.
 
2012-08-16 11:27:39 AM

dukwbutter: zedster: The suspect's weapon was a legally obtained 9 mm handgun, according to another law enforcement official.

I doubt he had a legally obtained 9mm automatic handgun, not too many of those.

Actually, you know nothing about guns and almost all 9mm's are "automatics". This means "semi-automatic". One trigger pull = 1 round fired = "automatic". The more you know, libtards.


www.lolwut.com
 
2012-08-16 11:27:41 AM
Politically motivated? Probably. It's hard to say this didn't have anything to do with politics given the people involved.

The question is if it's sponsored violence. The Gay Agenda does not sponsor gun fights. Only water and pillow fights.

So what we have here is an individualist who went on a shooting spree.

Well what the fark do you expect in a culture that glorifies violence, and showcases political inaction to foster outrage as a means of gaining ratings?
 
2012-08-16 11:27:44 AM
Stay classy Libs!!!
 
2012-08-16 11:27:51 AM

zedster: The suspect's weapon was a legally obtained 9 mm handgun, according to another law enforcement official.

I doubt he had a legally obtained 9mm automatic handgun, not too many of those.


Dude, only an american would even care about where the gun came from or what kind of gun it was or whether it was auto or semi-auto....does it really matter?
 
2012-08-16 11:28:02 AM

Arcanum: I'm pretty conservative. Most here would think I'm very conservative.

It's annoying as all hell when some nutjob is associated with a conservative movement.

It would be intellectually dishonest for me to say this nutjob is associated with the gay marriage movement.

he's just crazy. Our various disagreements are not affected. Abortion's wrongfulness is not alleviated when some monster bombs a clinic. Gabby Giffords doesn't become right about politics when some monster shoots her. The Gay marriage movement shouldn't be ashamed of some nutjob.

This should be obvious, and I hope the right doesn't make hay out of this psycho. But I also hope the left doesn't make hay when it has the chance. It's annoying as hell.


Yessir
 
2012-08-16 11:28:24 AM
gay members of society can be extremely violent. what else can i say
 
2012-08-16 11:28:43 AM
These people occupy a spectrum. None of them are mentally healthy, but some of them are complete nutbags, whose "politics", if they have any, are irrelevant (Jared Laughner, Sideshow Bob). then there are the clearly crazy ones whose politics are the organizing obsession of their madness (Kozinsky,Crazy shooting psychiatrist at army base). and then, there are the psychopaths who are completely sane and deliberate in their intentions (McVeigh, 9-11 hijackers), and solely motivated by their beliefs.
Very different sorts of people, actually - and I think very different conclusions should be drawn from the things they do.
 
2012-08-16 11:28:49 AM

Highroller48: zedster: I doubt he had a legally obtained 9mm automatic handgun, not too many of those.

I'm always amazed at how few peopole konw the dirfference between "Semi-Automatic" and "Automatic".

It's very simple, folks...If more than one bullet comes out when you squeeze the trigger once (a la Robocop), only then is it an "automatic".


No, it isn't that simple. An automatic pistol is a semiautomatic pistol. It is a correct, if confusing, description. I could be wrong, but I think the phrase predates the development of true, non-Gatling automatic weapons, when the only distinction one had to make was between revolvers and "automatic" handguns.
 
2012-08-16 11:29:01 AM
CNN and the liberal blogosphere have blood on their hands. They inspired this lunatic to go on a killing rampage which luckily was stopped by the security guard. When will they stop spewing their hate? The FCC should immediately censor Rachel Maddow, the View, and other liberal commentators before they incite more violence.
 
2012-08-16 11:29:06 AM

Arcanum: I'm pretty conservative. Most here would think I'm very conservative.
It's annoying as all hell when some nutjob is associated with a conservative movement.
It would be intellectually dishonest for me to say this nutjob is associated with the gay marriage movement.
he's just crazy. Our various disagreements are not affected. Abortion's wrongfulness is not alleviated when some monster bombs a clinic. Gabby Giffords doesn't become right about politics when some monster shoots her. The Gay marriage movement shouldn't be ashamed of some nutjob.
This should be obvious, and I hope the right doesn't make hay out of this psycho. But I also hope the left doesn't make hay when it has the chance. It's annoying as hell.


I agree the nutjobs shouldn't be representative of the movement.

But I also think people on both sides should take the opportunity to reflect on whether their rhetoric is excessive. Of course, we supposedly did that after Giffords got shot, and it hasn't seemed to have changed anything.
 
2012-08-16 11:29:18 AM

barneyfifesbullet: Whenever a left wing crazy fails, the link is always blamed. It's the link's fault.

/not subby

I figured this was just an isolated incident of one nutjob. There's no politics in play when it is a crazy person.

There's no politics in play unless it is a right winger tea party white guy white pride hick. Then it is a national dilemma. Everybody panic. They are everywhere.

There will be no further discussion in the media about this shooter. If he could be described as a Repubican, we would know everything about his entire life in 24 hours via the media.


The bigger reason why he won't be discussed long is body count, not political leanings. Sad but true. Here is to hoping we start to take mental health services seriously.

How long did the national media discuss this incident that had no casualties but they eventually found the guy.

Hint: It wasn't very long.
 
2012-08-16 11:30:13 AM
Conservatives, I get it, I really do. Every time someone goes in a spree shooting everyone rushes to blame your politics. So now you're all gleefully rushing to talk about the "hate filled left", etc. Go for it.

The thing is, you've always told the left that they were stupid for blaming right wing politics for the actions of a lone nutbag.

But now the roles are reversed. Trying to mount a political attack in this case looks even stupider than when the left does it, because this guy was so incompetent he didn't even manage to kill anyone.

So have your day in the sun. But the American right looks even more like a handbag-clutching, stranger-fearing shut-ins than before as this thing begins to reach a fever pitch.

Because the score is still bazillionty-eleven to one. Sure, some gay activist got pissed and tried to shoot up some people on the right.

But that doesn't change the fact that the American left has been defunct as a source of domestic terrorism since the 70's. The vast majority of domestic terrorism (here meaning acts of political violence) since the Reagan years has been from the right, even leaving out the cases where the media jumped to inaccurate conclusions. Timmy McV alone accounts for more political violence than the left has brought to the table for decades.

So everyone have their fun with this, but you all - left and right - just look like a bynch of histrionic cry babies to me.

/a pox on both the "left" and the "right"
 
2012-08-16 11:30:13 AM

barneyfifesbullet: Whenever a left wing crazy fails, the link is always blamed. It's the link's fault.

/not subby

I figured this was just an isolated incident of one nutjob. There's no politics in play when it is a crazy person.

There's no politics in play unless it is a right winger tea party white guy white pride hick. Then it is a national dilemma. Everybody panic. They are everywhere.

There will be no further discussion in the media about this shooter. If he could be described as a Repubican, we would know everything about his entire life in 24 hours via the media.


Lefty nutjobs exist. Lefty nutjobs, however, are generally harmless. Goes along with the Lefty agenda of "guns r bad". Worst most Lefty nutjobs get up to is smashing windows and torching cars. ALF does some nasty shiat, but being extreme Lefties they keep their violence confined to property destruction.

Righty nutjobs exist. Righty nutjobs are rarely entirely harmless. Righty nutjobs are constantly stewing in a broth of hate speech, jingoism, and media that urges "second amendment solutions." Righty nutjobs are armed to the teeth, and often enough practiced in the manufacture of homebrew explosives. (I say this as a person who grew up within the Righty nutjob community, and was trained in both firearms use and explosives manufacture) Righty nutjobs are constantly stroking-off over the day they'll finally be able to purge those heathens from "their" country.

One of these things is not like the other thing...

/not a Lefty or a Righty
//bit of a nutjob though
 
2012-08-16 11:30:16 AM

Highroller48: I can't agree here. The term has become bastardized by misuse when it comes to handuns. That doesn't mean it's correct to call a semi weapon "automatic".


It hasn't been bastardized. It's just an archaic usage from back when auto-loaders were the new hotness. A 1911 would have been commonly called a .45 automatic, for instance. It hasn't been relevant for the better part of a century, but that doesn't make it wrong. Still, it's so rarely used (and generally only in a context that makes it a clear reference to loading) that it's safe to assume that's not what subby intended.
 
2012-08-16 11:30:20 AM

colon_pow: well if they support traditional family values, that means they are hate-mongers and should be destroyed.
totally justifiable.


"traditional family values" aren't any of those things

/I should turn this into a drinking game: every time a news organization uses a misleading euphemism that was obviously coined by some political thinktank/marketing company, take a shot.
 
2012-08-16 11:30:52 AM

Roughing The Snapper: The volunteer's what?


The volunteer is carrying.

Contractions, how the fark do they work? Oh, this will tell you! Contractions (Grammar) - English
 
2012-08-16 11:31:02 AM

palelizard: Apostrophes are also used for possessives. The act of carrying [the bag and gun] belongs to the volunteer.


If it was a possessive, "Is politically motivated" would be "Was politically motivated."

Whether subby farked up the apostrophe or farked up the tenses, it's still farked up.
 
2012-08-16 11:31:03 AM

Kuroshin: Every single abortion clinic shooting, bombing and assassination.


Well, duh! He meant besides them... they're just doing God's commanded work and should be canonized.
 
2012-08-16 11:31:15 AM
Amazing how many liberals are hating on this article right now...
Kinda getting a stiffy....
or is that S'tiffy...
HA!
 
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