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(Salon)   While it didn't seem possible, Kansas is getting crazier by the day   (salon.com) divider line 155
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2012-08-16 09:28:53 AM
Must be all that dust in the wind.
 
2012-08-16 09:32:09 AM
I can't wait for all their state services to collapse in on themselves due to basically turning the state over to the Koch brothers.
 
2012-08-16 09:36:25 AM

Aarontology: I can't wait for all their state services to collapse in on themselves due to basically turning the state over to the Koch brothers.


And people will just blame the libs.
 
2012-08-16 09:37:45 AM

SilentStrider: Aarontology: I can't wait for all their state services to collapse in on themselves due to basically turning the state over to the Koch brothers.

And people will just blame the libs.


I'd be impressed if they could pull that off, to be honest. I don't think there are any libs left in Kansas.
 
2012-08-16 09:45:36 AM

Aarontology: SilentStrider: Aarontology: I can't wait for all their state services to collapse in on themselves due to basically turning the state over to the Koch brothers.

And people will just blame the libs.

I'd be impressed if they could pull that off, to be honest. I don't think there are any libs left in Kansas.



It's them damn hippie kids in Lawrence.
 
2012-08-16 09:52:14 AM
Besides being an ideal jell-o mold, what else is Kansas good for now?

/minus any Kansas Farkers
//you're all ok
 
2012-08-16 10:10:32 AM
Another Republican state senator, Pete Brungardt, endured protests outside his optometry practice for his relatively pro-choice position

dba-oracle.com

"Opto-meetry's one a them pussy doctors, right?"
 
2012-08-16 10:15:01 AM
Plans to visit Kansas before the insanity: 0

Plans to visit now: 0
 
2012-08-16 10:19:56 AM
I'm concerned that our conservative SCOTUS may take another case on abortion. I'm not quite sure how that would turn out.
 
2012-08-16 10:40:58 AM

Aarontology: SilentStrider: Aarontology: I can't wait for all their state services to collapse in on themselves due to basically turning the state over to the Koch brothers.

And people will just blame the libs.

I'd be impressed if they could pull that off, to be honest. I don't think there are any libs left in Kansas.


But Obama.
 
2012-08-16 10:48:13 AM
Kansas. What a bunch of kochs
 
2012-08-16 10:49:08 AM
Buckle up, Salon. You have a lot of work to do in the next few months.
 
hej
2012-08-16 10:49:55 AM
"While it didn't seem possible,Kansas America is getting crazier by the day"

/Kansan :(
 
2012-08-16 10:50:21 AM

Bontesla: I'm concerned that our conservative SCOTUS may take another case on abortion. I'm not quite sure how that would turn out.


although the supreme court may be "conservative", they're also conservative. precedence does mean something. plus, the supreme court always rags on the lowly states... now, if the federal government did something, their shiat is pretty much gold. it says so in the constitution, article I, congress will only ever shiat gold.
 
2012-08-16 10:51:17 AM

Aarontology: I'd be impressed if they could pull that off, to be honest. I don't think there are any libs left in Kansas.


Sure there are. You just have to define people who stood where Bob Dole and Nancy Kassebaum did as libs. Brownback meant exactly what he said when he said he was "the first conservative governor in Kansas history" (he did say that, btw).

And besides, "those got-damned UNIONS" still sell as a talking point in Georgia and the Carolinas, where fewer than 4% of the employed population are unionized (and mostly meaninglessly at that).
 
2012-08-16 10:51:23 AM
Not this crap again.
 
2012-08-16 10:51:34 AM
At this point, the crazy is just trying to make everybody emigrate, isn't it?
 
2012-08-16 10:52:02 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Must be all that dust in the wind.


Carry on, my wayward son.
 
2012-08-16 10:52:07 AM

pute kisses like a man: although the supreme court may be "conservative", they're also conservative.


Led by that fascist Roberts, amiright?
 
2012-08-16 10:52:23 AM
Tiller's clinic remains closed, despite two separate efforts to restore abortion access to Wichita. One doctor, Mila Means, even purchased Tiller's equipment, but it remains in her basement after a struggle to find a willing landlord, and now has her hands full with an impending trial against an antiabortion extremist who threatened her life. Thousands of people, wrote Angel Dillard, who had befriended Tiller's murderer, "will know your habits and routines. They know where you shop, who your friends are, what you drive, where you live. You will be checking under your car every day - because maybe today is the day someone places an explosive under it." And Rinker, though she was advising Means, remains skeptical about any clinic being able to open in the coming legislative climate.

Kansas in general, and Wichita in particular, remain highly symbolic, dating back to the 1991 Summer of Mercy protests that roiled the city. It's a history traced by Stephen Singular's recent book, "The Wichita Divide: The Murder of Dr. George Tiller and the Battle Over Abortion," for which he visited Tiller's murderer, Scott Roeder, in jail. Singular writes that on that visit, Roeder "paused, made eye contact with me through the glass, and forcefully stated, 'I stopped abortion in Wichita.'"

That's still true, and after this election, it seems unlikely to change.



Yeah, that ISN'T blatant threat against someone's life HOW? Oh, you're not saying *you'll* do it, just that it'll happen?
 
2012-08-16 10:52:58 AM
Sigh, nevermind, I just realized they were implying that was the guy in the trial. Not terribly clear.
 
2012-08-16 10:53:01 AM
When they shipped off Sebelius to fondle Obama's testicles and tell him how great he is, one would assume the Crazy went with her. Turns out all that did was uncork the vortex of suck
 
2012-08-16 10:54:50 AM
Thousands of people, wrote Angel Dillard, who had befriended Tiller's murderer, "will know your habits and routines. They know where you shop, who your friends are, what you drive, where you live. You will be checking under your car every day - because maybe today is the day someone places an explosive under it."

Another Isolated Incident(tm). Just a God-fearing Real American, not one of those funny-talking moon idol-worshipping foreigners. Nothing to worry about.

Enjoy your transition to pre-Enlightenment fiefdom, Kansas.
 
2012-08-16 10:55:32 AM
I visited the styx over the weekend to attend a fest. Nothin' but farms and churches. Must have to do with tax law/subsidies.
 
2012-08-16 10:56:11 AM

gopher321: Plans to visit Kansas before the insanity: 0

Plans to visit now: 0


You're not missing anything.

stevegarufi.com
 
2012-08-16 10:56:45 AM
I for one am glad that conservatives are focusing on jobs and small government.
 
2012-08-16 10:57:44 AM

pute kisses like a man: precedence does mean something


Except for the times when it means jack sh*t.
 
2012-08-16 10:57:46 AM
kansas = bowling country

media.kansas.com
 
2012-08-16 10:58:34 AM
ZOMGZ! KANSAS IS CRAZY..cuz..cuz...ABORTION PRO LIFE!!!SHIFT11!!

So, Kansas is pro-life, and that means that they are crazy?? I think I'm missing the logic of both the article's headline, and the Fark Headline.

Even if you are pro-choice, the politics and/or political process for any subject/issue is pretty much the same. Welcome to politics. This article really isn't so much about abortion as it is the political process.
 
2012-08-16 10:58:46 AM
JimmyFartpants


You're not missing anything.

Yep...every road is gravel. I-70 is a bit of a challenge for all yall out of towners, but they get used to it.
 
2012-08-16 10:59:54 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE AGAIN!!! 

/maybe a stretch, but perhaps pro-lifers:slave owners as women:slaves in this debate?
 
2012-08-16 11:00:20 AM

Glenford: FirstNationalBastard: Must be all that dust in the wind.

Carry on, my wayward son.


There'll be peace when this crap is over.

I mean when You are Done.
 
2012-08-16 11:01:13 AM
It really is frustrating living in this state when you have even the tiniest modicum of intelligence. It doesn't matter what you do, how you vote, because there are 1000 more people out there that aren't informed, have no idea what the issues are and are more than content to keep voting in the same assholes. It's very frustrating, from a local level, all the way to a state level.

God, I can't wait to get the fark out of here.
 
2012-08-16 11:01:19 AM
My favorite word FTA: "Brownbackistan".

/American Taliban indeed.
 
2012-08-16 11:01:38 AM

Monongahela Misfit: There'll be peace when this crap is over.

I mean when You are Done.


They may be past the point of no return.
 
2012-08-16 11:02:43 AM
As falls Wichita, so falls Wichita Falls.
 
2012-08-16 11:04:30 AM
Gee, people disagree with your political views so they must be crazy.
I don't agree with a lot of views from the right or the left.
I just have the strange feeling that people might have views that are different from mine. Crazy, huh?
 
2012-08-16 11:04:35 AM

pennysdeuce: ZOMGZ! KANSAS IS CRAZY..cuz..cuz...ABORTION PRO LIFE!!!SHIFT11!!

So, Kansas is pro-life, and that means that they are crazy?? I think I'm missing the logic of both the article's headline, and the Fark Headline.

Even if you are pro-choice, the politics and/or political process for any subject/issue is pretty much the same. Welcome to politics. This article really isn't so much about abortion as it is the political process.


The political process murdered George Tiller and bombed abortion clinics?
 
2012-08-16 11:05:27 AM
You realize all this crazy sh*t is going to be struck down, overturned, or dismantled, at latest, 10 or 20 years after you work hard to get it implemented, right? Your only victory is showing the world how self absorbed you are, how unreasonable, and how unwilling to do what's best for the greater good of the community, the nation, the people.

You can not legislate morality. You can't force religion on others. Government is never about that, not even in religious governments. Government is about organization of people, purely and simply. Anything that oppresses the governed, anything that impinges on the freedom of the people is done to privilege a certain section of those people and will eventually be struck down, either legally or martially. It may take time but it will be (NOTE: mandated health insurance is another, longer debate).

A last gasp of the elderly who won't take their finger out of the pie is not going to accomplish anything except polarizing youth further from current government. And said youth will inevitably take the reins of government. There is nothing you can do about that. Eventually we all die and the reins of governance have to be handed to younger men and women. Face it, you've lost and you're fighting a Pyrrhic retreat, in your wake erecting monuments that will soon be torn down.
 
2012-08-16 11:05:43 AM
Didn't the unCivil War start with an argument in Kansas that ended in Murder? They were arguing whether Kansas would be a slave state or a free state.
Seems they still haven't resolved it.
 
2012-08-16 11:06:06 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Gee, people disagree with your political views so they must be crazy.
I don't agree with a lot of views from the right or the left.
I just have the strange feeling that people might have views that are different from mine. Crazy, huh?


It's not like anyone has been harassed, threatened, or killed over their support of abortion rights in Kansas, right?
 
2012-08-16 11:09:10 AM
Spent every summer and Christmas in Kansas City for most of my childhood (parents were from Mission Woods and Fairway)
Haven't been back since 2007 when we moved Grandma down to Houston to escape tornados (and that very summer Hurricane Ike hit)

I don't get the whole pro-life debate... The child someone is carrying is not yours.. you have no intention of raising it, no intention of adopting it, and you sure as hell don't want to pay for it... Why does it matter to you what that person does with their pregnancy? I can see family members getting involved, maybe some close friends, but in the long run, who is going to raise that baby? If someone doesn't want the child, they don't want it. You force them to have it, you will either have a mother who may possibly abuse the child she doesn't want, then you will be shaking your head "how could a mother do that?" She didn't want it.. The child could end up in a foster home, might get adopted, depending on the color of its skin...
So, unless all the pro-life people intend on adopting every single child they "save", they should just go pray for our souls, not harass the hell out of us with their screaming, horrible bumper stickers and bombing of clinics...
 
2012-08-16 11:10:06 AM

sararenne: I don't get the whole pro-life debate... The child someone is carrying is not yours.. you have no intention of raising it, no intention of adopting it, and you sure as hell don't want to pay for it... Why does it matter to you what that person does with their pregnancy? I


This isn't a good argument, IMO. You wouldn't let your neighbor murder their 5 year old, even though that 5 year old is not yours, you have no intention of raising it, no intention of adopting it, and you sure as hell don't want to pay for it

There are lots of good arguments against these assholes, but this isn't one of them.
 
2012-08-16 11:10:11 AM
Pro-life death squad.
 
2012-08-16 11:10:23 AM

pennysdeuce: ZOMGZ! KANSAS IS CRAZY..cuz..cuz...ABORTION PRO LIFE!!!SHIFT11!!

So, Kansas is pro-life, and that means that they are crazy?? I think I'm missing the logic of both the article's headline, and the Fark Headline.

Even if you are pro-choice, the politics and/or political process for any subject/issue is pretty much the same. Welcome to politics. This article really isn't so much about abortion as it is the political process.


I think it's more that they are purging there own party of anyone who even has the faintest scent of being a moderate. They're electing the hardest hard right republicans they can based solely on one issue, which happens to be pretty much a non-issue as there is maybe one abortion clinic in the entire state at this point.
 
2012-08-16 11:12:18 AM
Don't worry about Kansas, it will go back to being an uninhabitable dust bowl sometime in the next 20 years.
 
2012-08-16 11:12:57 AM

Slackfumasta: pennysdeuce: ZOMGZ! KANSAS IS CRAZY..cuz..cuz...ABORTION PRO LIFE!!!SHIFT11!!

So, Kansas is pro-life, and that means that they are crazy?? I think I'm missing the logic of both the article's headline, and the Fark Headline.

Even if you are pro-choice, the politics and/or political process for any subject/issue is pretty much the same. Welcome to politics. This article really isn't so much about abortion as it is the political process.

The political process murdered George Tiller and bombed abortion clinics?


You're kidding, right? Surely you don't think that just because people in Kansas have a pro-life view, that they must be responsible for George Tiller's death. That was an isolated incident, by a deranged individual. I'm pretty sure that if you gave me a state, I could find someone crazy there and over generalize, and over sensationalize that entire state for that person's actions.

Seriously, you're kidding right?

/and yes, I called you Shirley.
 
2012-08-16 11:14:10 AM

Wendy's Chili: pute kisses like a man: precedence does mean something

Except for the times when it means jack sh*t.


yeah, except for then. I know.

but, you've got a determination that something 'is' a fundamental right. in order to pass muster, the law will either have to pass strict scrutiny (which is tough, and takes a good writer -- very few states have legislators who know how to write laws well), or the court has to deny that something 'is' a fundamental right. when it comes to scrutiny and interpretation, the court is more likely to ignore precedence... but, when it comes to something that has already been qualified as a fundamental right, precedence is heavier... imho.

the whole point is that the court doesn't like taking away fundamental rights. the current court is very conservative because it does not want to create new fundamental rights. but, once the cat's out of the bag, I can't imagine a court trying to reduce fundamental rights.

/ if you just put the whole issue of abortion on the side. here's the issue. can the court change its mind regarding what has already been decided to be a fundamental right and now say, nope, just kidding?
 
2012-08-16 11:14:45 AM

sararenne: Spent every summer and Christmas in Kansas City for most of my childhood (parents were from Mission Woods and Fairway)
Haven't been back since 2007 when we moved Grandma down to Houston to escape tornados (and that very summer Hurricane Ike hit)

I don't get the whole pro-life debate... The child someone is carrying is not yours.. you have no intention of raising it, no intention of adopting it, and you sure as hell don't want to pay for it... Why does it matter to you what that person does with their pregnancy? I can see family members getting involved, maybe some close friends, but in the long run, who is going to raise that baby? If someone doesn't want the child, they don't want it. You force them to have it, you will either have a mother who may possibly abuse the child she doesn't want, then you will be shaking your head "how could a mother do that?" She didn't want it.. The child could end up in a foster home, might get adopted, depending on the color of its skin...
So, unless all the pro-life people intend on adopting every single child they "save", they should just go pray for our souls, not harass the hell out of us with their screaming, horrible bumper stickers and bombing of clinics...


Maybe they... actually believe it when they say that its a person? I have no intention of dedicating my whole life to, say, sheltering the homeless but I would take offense if some group started executing the homeless en masse for their own convenience and I don't think that makes me a hypocrite.
 
2012-08-16 11:16:55 AM

pennysdeuce: Slackfumasta: pennysdeuce: ZOMGZ! KANSAS IS CRAZY..cuz..cuz...ABORTION PRO LIFE!!!SHIFT11!!

So, Kansas is pro-life, and that means that they are crazy?? I think I'm missing the logic of both the article's headline, and the Fark Headline.

Even if you are pro-choice, the politics and/or political process for any subject/issue is pretty much the same. Welcome to politics. This article really isn't so much about abortion as it is the political process.

The political process murdered George Tiller and bombed abortion clinics?

You're kidding, right? Surely you don't think that just because people in Kansas have a pro-life view, that they must be responsible for George Tiller's death. That was an isolated incident, by a deranged individual. I'm pretty sure that if you gave me a state, I could find someone crazy there and over generalize, and over sensationalize that entire state for that person's actions.

Seriously, you're kidding right?

/and yes, I called you Shirley.


Uh huh. So, Dr. Tiller had a habit of wearing body armor just in case a deranged individual, in an isolated incident, happened to try to murder him in church?
 
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