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2012-08-16 08:54:31 AM  
I bet Obama did this.
 
2012-08-16 09:02:53 AM  
In their defence, it really sounds like they needed the practice.
 
2012-08-16 10:46:40 AM  
No mention of what kind of gun it was means it was probably just a BB or pellet gun.
 
2012-08-16 11:24:43 AM  

jaylectricity: No mention of what kind of gun it was means it was probably just a BB or pellet gun.


Probably a Glock or AK-47.
 
2012-08-16 11:25:06 AM  
Does it kick?
 
2012-08-16 11:25:43 AM  
Been there, done that... got hit in the leg with a deformed .45 that left one hell of a welt.

Stupid neighbor was shooting at targets up against his wood pile.. the bullets were passing through and continuing around a 1/4 mile into my yard.. and I just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
2012-08-16 11:26:06 AM  

RobotSpider: jaylectricity: No mention of what kind of gun it was means it was probably just a BB or pellet gun.

Probably a Glock or AK-47.


more likely an assualt rifle or an RPG.
 
2012-08-16 11:26:12 AM  
Well, they hit A target...
 
2012-08-16 11:27:44 AM  

jaylectricity: No mention of what kind of gun it was means it was probably just a BB or pellet gun.


More likely a .22 LR, since a BB or pellet gun might have put nasty crack or small hole in the glass, but wouldn't have shattered it.

For the 10,000 time, fire your weapons at a proper gun range or at least learn how to set one up with a proper backstop and necessary safety precautions or don't even bother loading the weapon.
 
2012-08-16 11:28:21 AM  

RobotSpider: Probably a Glock or AK-47.


Oblig...

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-16 11:29:46 AM  

The shooting practice happened in the backyard of David Beamer's house in Gilbertsville. Beamer is also facing charges. According to a police affidavit, Beamer called New Hanover Township Police earlier in the day to notify them he'd be firing weapons in the backyard.

The mother who was behind the wheel of the SUV says they should have been at a shooting range. "I want them to pay, I want them to understand what they could've done. They could've killed an innocent child."


Yes, they should have been at a range.

But why did the police (apparently) not say anything to dissuade the knucklehead when he called to notify them? I'm wondering if they're out in the middle of nowhere and such activity is permissible.
 
2012-08-16 11:41:56 AM  
i read that as 2 mormons...
 
2012-08-16 11:42:19 AM  
Well, as long as it's for the children.
 
2012-08-16 11:42:43 AM  

dwrash: Been there, done that... got hit in the leg with a deformed .45 that left one hell of a welt.

Stupid neighbor was shooting at targets up against his wood pile.. the bullets were passing through and continuing around a 1/4 mile into my yard.. and I just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.


Similar thing happened to me with one of those CO2 pellet guns at a babysitter's

They changed targets and started shooting at a shed window that had been replaced with that cheap 1/4" thick wall paneling. The shed was also where we had been storing all the extra BB's and pellets and CO2 cartridges, and I was reloading the BB pistol. I got thwacked with a pellet. Damn thing hit with enough force to chip my collarbone.

Very glad we were not using the .22 the older kid owned.
 
2012-08-16 11:47:56 AM  
Good. We need fewer soccer mom's and SUV's using taxpayer subsidized urban sprawl to support their spoiled and pretentious lifestyle.

What do you mean that wasn't the point?
 
2012-08-16 11:49:37 AM  
FTA: "They could've killed an innocent child."

So sick of the negativity out there. Why can't people look on the bright side once in a while and realize these potential young heroes could just as well have killed a guilty child?
 
2012-08-16 11:49:38 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: But why did the police (apparently) not say anything to dissuade the knucklehead when he called to notify them? I'm wondering if they're out in the middle of nowhere and such activity is permissible.


Could be, and the projectile that hit the window was a ricochet or something. Certainly the area is very rural.

Having said that, this looks damned fishy to me:

media.nbcbayarea.com

See how the edges of the windscreen looks like it was pulled out and the bottom window frame is severely warped? I can't see anything two teens would be shooting doing something like that.  I don't even think a 12 gauge at short range would warp that frame like that.
 
2012-08-16 11:51:58 AM  
 
2012-08-16 11:57:50 AM  
dittybopper: " I don't even think a 12 gauge at short range would warp that frame like that."

Yeah, they don't really have *frames* anymore. It's a glorified weather seal. All the structural rigidity comes from the glass.
 
2012-08-16 11:58:33 AM  

dittybopper


See how the edges of the windscreen looks like it was pulled out and the bottom window frame is severely warped? I can't see anything two teens would be shooting doing something like that. I don't even think a 12 gauge at short range would warp that frame like that.


The part around the bottom isn't actually a frame: it's a molded rubber weatherstripping used to hold the glass in a cushioned interference fit in the metal door. The ragged part at the top looks like a plastic bezel of some sort but overall, yeah, that that looks like an awful mess to be caused by just one round.
 
2012-08-16 11:59:12 AM  

ringersol: dittybopper: " I don't even think a 12 gauge at short range would warp that frame like that."

Yeah, they don't really have *frames* anymore. It's a glorified weather seal. All the structural rigidity comes from the glass.


x2

Tahoes and Suburbans with the solid rear window hatches don't have real frames around the windows....just a rubber seal.
 
2012-08-16 12:00:14 PM  
Interesting that the two 18 year olds were referred to ITFA as teens. Two adult males would have been another accurate way to describe.
 
2012-08-16 12:00:19 PM  
A few years ago my former neighbors did that. Bunch of guys in their early 20s. Put a target up on the top beam of the privacy fence, then proceeded to shoot at it. Didnt know what they were doing till it was over, but called the cops because of the gunshots. Was entertaining watching several cops in body armor with AR-15s surround the back yard n bust in the gate. Even better was listening to them lecture the idiots.
 
2012-08-16 12:06:41 PM  
has anyone mentioned the rubber seal and structural glass?

/DB drives a Buick LaSalle
 
2012-08-16 12:08:52 PM  

pute kisses like a man: i read that as 2 mormons...


One is a subset of the other.
 
2012-08-16 12:10:44 PM  
I used to live out in the middle of nowhere in MN and was able to shoot skeet/trap in the backyard. I miss that aspect of living there.
 
2012-08-16 12:12:13 PM  
i614.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-16 12:14:44 PM  

goodolboy71: ringersol: dittybopper: " I don't even think a 12 gauge at short range would warp that frame like that."

Yeah, they don't really have *frames* anymore. It's a glorified weather seal. All the structural rigidity comes from the glass.

x2

Tahoes and Suburbans with the solid rear window hatches don't have real frames around the windows....just a rubber seal.


Look at the bottom, though: That seal appears to be retaining at least some of the glass.

I don't see any other damage. I wonder if they recovered an actual projectile in the vehicle, or if the woman was driving along, her rear window shattered, and she subsequently heard gun shots and put two and two together.

Regardless, in looking at the specific address on Google Maps, it was a bad place to be using firearms. Airguns and archery would have been OK, but firearms? No backstop, it's all flat there.
 
2012-08-16 12:17:25 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: A few years ago my former neighbors did that. Bunch of guys in their early 20s. Put a target up on the top beam of the privacy fence, then proceeded to shoot at it. Didnt know what they were doing till it was over, but called the cops because of the gunshots. Was entertaining watching several cops in body armor with AR-15s surround the back yard n bust in the gate. Even better was listening to them lecture the idiots.


I live in a particularly urban setting and we had a couple "semi-teens" running around here with a pellet gun one day (pre-gentrification). I didn't think too much about it but they must have gotten too close to someone because next thing I know there are about 10 police cars in the street and a bunch of officers with pulled guns. They were smartass kids but it set them back a bit. They were quite cooperative and a bit damp of crotch I'm sure.
 
2012-08-16 12:17:42 PM  
I, for one, am all for confiscating guns from morons who do stupid shiat like this...

"oh, you used your firearm in an unsafe manner? That'll be a 5-year probation of no guns. Sorry."

/Know your target and what is beyond.
//Do not aim a firearm at anything you are not prepared to destroy
///Know your target and what is beyond.
 
2012-08-16 12:21:18 PM  

dittybopper: Englebert Slaptyback: But why did the police (apparently) not say anything to dissuade the knucklehead when he called to notify them? I'm wondering if they're out in the middle of nowhere and such activity is permissible.

Could be, and the projectile that hit the window was a ricochet or something. Certainly the area is very rural.

Having said that, this looks damned fishy to me:

[media.nbcbayarea.com image 503x283]

See how the edges of the windscreen looks like it was pulled out and the bottom window frame is severely warped? I can't see anything two teens would be shooting doing something like that.  I don't even think a 12 gauge at short range would warp that frame like that.


Maybe the glass completely broke out after someone tried to open and close the window that had been punctured, or the force from the extension dampers made the glass react that way upon impact.
 
2012-08-16 12:30:31 PM  

dittybopper: goodolboy71: ringersol: dittybopper: " I don't even think a 12 gauge at short range would warp that frame like that."

Yeah, they don't really have *frames* anymore. It's a glorified weather seal. All the structural rigidity comes from the glass.

x2

Tahoes and Suburbans with the solid rear window hatches don't have real frames around the windows....just a rubber seal.

Look at the bottom, though: That seal appears to be retaining at least some of the glass.

I don't see any other damage. I wonder if they recovered an actual projectile in the vehicle, or if the woman was driving along, her rear window shattered, and she subsequently heard gun shots and put two and two together.

Regardless, in looking at the specific address on Google Maps, it was a bad place to be using firearms. Airguns and archery would have been OK, but firearms? No backstop, it's all flat there.


That's what happens when these side and back windows are busted on car these days with this safety glass. Its made to break into small pieces...and alot of it gets stuck in the window seal rubber due to the tight fit of the channel that holds it to the glass. It happens every time a back glass, or one of those small corner windows on back doors or front pillars is broke....the rubber edge seal holds a 1/4 of glass in it all the way around. We see it alot on rental cars that are brought it. People will lock the keys in the car, and rather than call us or a locksmith, some idiot thinks to break the smallest window thinking it is the cheapest to replace. They are wrong, it usually costs more than the other windows.
 
2012-08-16 12:30:45 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I bet Obama did this.


Yep. It's a false-flag op, part of his plot to take away all our guns.
 
2012-08-16 12:39:35 PM  
Sight unseen, I would say that they probably didn't have a lot of room so they put the targets at opposite end of the yard and 1) stationed themselve at opposite ends of the yard also, resulting in a double shooting; 2) shot somebody else through the fence; or 3) put the targets on a tree or pole, which they managed to bring down on themselves, the neighbour's yards, etc.

I am assuming they did not put the target(s) on the house, a propane tank, or the dog. After all, you have to give people credit for some sense.
 
2012-08-16 12:40:49 PM  
Also, the on bottom of the Tahoes and Suburbans, that glass is locked down with a latch built onto the bottom of of the rubber seal. You see up top there is still alot of shattered glass still together. Chances are that tugging on the seal you see is where the glass was shot, and the lift shocks for the window forced the glass open/upwards, but with the glass being cracked, and that latch still holding the glass, it stretched the rubber seal.

I agree...people like that have no business using or having guns. Last weekend we were shooting at a buddies house out of town. Difference being we have a huge earth backstop in the middle of 15 acres and that was backed up to the bottom of a large hill. Its ok to shoot where its allowed, as long as you are safe. These guys, not so much. I had a friend back home a few years ago who's kid was playing in their house and a stray bullet from some idiots like these shooting bottles killed his under 5yr old son in the living room. These guys today got lucky no one was hurt. Sadly its not always the case.
 
2012-08-16 12:45:34 PM  
Hey! What a great opportunity for all the super-authoritative gun experts on Fark to teach us all the intricate wisdom they've accumulated over years of super-responsible gun ownership. And the debates over meaningless firearm minutia should be equally stimulating.

I'm getting a boner just thinking about it.
 
2012-08-16 12:50:49 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: dittybopper

See how the edges of the windscreen looks like it was pulled out and the bottom window frame is severely warped? I can't see anything two teens would be shooting doing something like that. I don't even think a 12 gauge at short range would warp that frame like that.


The part around the bottom isn't actually a frame: it's a molded rubber weatherstripping used to hold the glass in a cushioned interference fit in the metal door. The ragged part at the top looks like a plastic bezel of some sort but overall, yeah, that that looks like an awful mess to be caused by just one round.


Something about this does not add up. i don't think that looks like the damage done by one round going through a pane of shatter-resistant glass.
 
2012-08-16 12:51:19 PM  
Probably a f*cking BB gun.
 
2012-08-16 12:55:52 PM  

dittybopper: Englebert Slaptyback: But why did the police (apparently) not say anything to dissuade the knucklehead when he called to notify them? I'm wondering if they're out in the middle of nowhere and such activity is permissible.

Could be, and the projectile that hit the window was a ricochet or something. Certainly the area is very rural.

Having said that, this looks damned fishy to me:



See how the edges of the windscreen looks like it was pulled out and the bottom window frame is severely warped? I can't see anything two teens would be shooting doing something like that.  I don't even think a 12 gauge at short range would warp that frame like that.


That deformed object is a rubber moulding. Once the glass shatters, there's nothing to hold it, and it just flops around.

As for what hit the glass, automotive glass is either tempered or laminated. That was tempered, and tempered glass doesn't crack or get a little hole- it shatters into a billion tiny cubes. This is by law. So that could have been done by a BB, or a pellet, or a 12- gauge slug, or a cannon ball, and it would look the same.
 
2012-08-16 12:56:49 PM  

brantgoose: Sight unseen, I would say that they probably didn't have a lot of room so they put the targets at opposite end of the yard and 1) stationed themselve at opposite ends of the yard also, resulting in a double shooting; 2) shot somebody else through the fence; or 3) put the targets on a tree or pole, which they managed to bring down on themselves, the neighbour's yards, etc.

I am assuming they did not put the target(s) on the house, a propane tank, or the dog. After all, you have to give people credit for some sense.


According to the article, this is where the target practicing idiots were:

i45.tinypic.com

It's a few hundred yards to where I assume the SUV was on Route 73, as many as 900, but still it's flat as hell, and that means no backstop.

Like I said, OK for archery and airgun practice, but not actual firearms.
 
2012-08-16 12:58:24 PM  

goodolboy71: Its ok to shoot where its allowed, as long as you are safe.


Weird stuff. The dad called the cops to say that they would be shooting [some unknown type and caliber of gun...maybe even a firearm], and wasn't dissuaded. They picked him up afterward for...some kind of charge involving arrest. This article is full of fail, and only part of it is on the part of these young idiots.
 
2012-08-16 12:59:05 PM  

Greek: That deformed object is a rubber moulding. Once the glass shatters, there's nothing to hold it, and it just flops around.

As for what hit the glass, automotive glass is either tempered or laminated. That was tempered, and tempered glass doesn't crack or get a little hole- it shatters into a billion tiny cubes. This is by law. So that could have been done by a BB, or a pellet, or a 12- gauge slug, or a cannon ball, and it would look the same.


Yes, I know, I withdraw the implication.
 
2012-08-16 12:59:37 PM  

yesanded: Hey! What a great opportunity for all the super-authoritative gun experts on Fark to teach us all the intricate wisdom they've accumulated over years of super-responsible gun ownership. And the debates over meaningless firearm minutia should be equally stimulating.


Have you considered decaf? I know it's a pain, and you'll probably just be fixing a pot for yourself, but it might well help.
 
2012-08-16 12:59:59 PM  
It's been said but apparently not taking... The back window was the structure. It has both the hinges and latch attached to the glass. Glass shatters, there's no structural rigidity or weight on the hinges and they go to full open position. If they were driving down the road there's other pressures on it as well. That is what I would expect to see if one got shot in the backglass.
 
2012-08-16 01:00:43 PM  

heili skrimsli: Something about this does not add up. i don't think that looks like the damage done by one round going through a pane of shatter-resistant glass.


The back window is tempered, not shatter-resistant. It's designed to crumble into pieces on impact. BB guns can shatter these windows with just one shot. Gravity does the rest.
 
2012-08-16 01:01:56 PM  

yesanded: Hey! What a great opportunity for all the super-authoritative gun experts on Fark to teach us all the intricate wisdom they've accumulated over years of super-responsible gun ownership.


As one of Fark's super-authoritative gun experts, these guys were idiots. No proper backstop. They were rightfully arrested.

See, thing is, I'm OK with people doing stuff, until they do it in a patently unsafe manner. Then I'm OK with the authorities making them stop.
 
2012-08-16 01:02:21 PM  

mytdawg: Sultan Of Herf: A few years ago my former neighbors did that. Bunch of guys in their early 20s. Put a target up on the top beam of the privacy fence, then proceeded to shoot at it. Didnt know what they were doing till it was over, but called the cops because of the gunshots. Was entertaining watching several cops in body armor with AR-15s surround the back yard n bust in the gate. Even better was listening to them lecture the idiots.

I live in a particularly urban setting and we had a couple "semi-teens" running around here with a pellet gun one day (pre-gentrification). I didn't think too much about it but they must have gotten too close to someone because next thing I know there are about 10 police cars in the street and a bunch of officers with pulled guns. They were smartass kids but it set them back a bit. They were quite cooperative and a bit damp of crotch I'm sure.


Hell I was at a Savers store (They sell everything that couldn't be sold at a regular store.) Saw a pump action airgun that looked just like a shotgun but with a tiny orange identifier on it. I even though "I could be shot if I pointed that at a cop." And this was only a week ago.
 
2012-08-16 01:07:20 PM  

dittybopper: brantgoose: Sight unseen, I would say that they probably didn't have a lot of room so they put the targets at opposite end of the yard and 1) stationed themselve at opposite ends of the yard also, resulting in a double shooting; 2) shot somebody else through the fence; or 3) put the targets on a tree or pole, which they managed to bring down on themselves, the neighbour's yards, etc.

I am assuming they did not put the target(s) on the house, a propane tank, or the dog. After all, you have to give people credit for some sense.

According to the article, this is where the target practicing idiots were:

[i45.tinypic.com image 850x536]

It's a few hundred yards to where I assume the SUV was on Route 73, as many as 900, but still it's flat as hell, and that means no backstop.

Like I said, OK for archery and airgun practice, but not actual firearms.


Unless you get one of these involved:

www.accreditedindustrytraining.com.au
 
2012-08-16 01:09:23 PM  
If that mother and her young children had thought to arm themselves before heading out in public, this near-tragedy could have easily been avoided.

Thanks Fartbongo!
 
2012-08-16 01:15:37 PM  

dittybopper: goodolboy71: ringersol: dittybopper: " I don't even think a 12 gauge at short range would warp that frame like that."

Yeah, they don't really have *frames* anymore. It's a glorified weather seal. All the structural rigidity comes from the glass.

x2

Tahoes and Suburbans with the solid rear window hatches don't have real frames around the windows....just a rubber seal.

Look at the bottom, though: That seal appears to be retaining at least some of the glass.

I don't see any other damage. I wonder if they recovered an actual projectile in the vehicle, or if the woman was driving along, her rear window shattered, and she subsequently heard gun shots and put two and two together.


Is this common where you live? I've never heard of a rear window spontaneously shattering without some sort of help.

Of course, if you took 2 minutes to watch the video, you'd have the answers you seek: @ 27 seconds, "bullet came through my back window and into the seat post."

It also shows what I assume is the target they'd set up. With your gun experience, you should be able to tell us if their backdrop was sufficient and it was a freak accident or if the two should be ravaged by the pack of wild lawyers SUV mom will surely unleash.
 
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