If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(CNN)   A better question is "When are drone killings not Illegal?"   (cnn.com) divider line 232
    More: Scary, Hellfire missile, targeted killings, United Nations Special Rapporteur, sovereign states, lethal force, research professor, right to life, use of force  
•       •       •

9768 clicks; posted to Main » on 16 Aug 2012 at 10:06 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



232 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-08-16 08:59:21 AM
If we kill enemy combantants of an international movement, outside the standard nation-state, who are making war upon a nation-state, drone killing are not illegal.

/Would they prefer B-52 carpet bombing?
 
2012-08-16 09:09:08 AM
Drone killings are illegal where there is a chance that someone can be extracted without loss of life for the extraction team.

These people are at war against the United States. They are actively planning attacks against our military and our citizens. These people have no problems with dying or committing suicide for a successful attack. When you are in a war, you kill your enemy.

And yes, even US citizens who participate are open to drone attacks. No one biatched at Lincoln for the confederate troops death even though they were American citizens (Union did not recognize the Confederacy).
 
2012-08-16 09:09:09 AM
The US has been murdering foreign nationals for decades now. The only difference now is that they don't have to send CIA teams in to do it any more.

An asshole bully nation will remain so as technology advances.
 
2012-08-16 09:29:40 AM

BurnShrike: An asshole bully nation murderous cult will remain so as technology advances opportunities are available.


Fixed it for you.

/Remember the Cole.
//Remember 9/11.
///Remember the US Embassy bombings in Africa.
 
2012-08-16 09:42:26 AM
img36.imageshack.us

Drones are killing people? Why exactly aren't we just nerve stapling them?
 
2012-08-16 09:44:10 AM

cman: Drone killings are illegal where there is a chance that someone can be extracted without loss of life for the extraction team.

These people are at war against the United States. They are actively planning attacks against our military and our citizens. These people have no problems with dying or committing suicide for a successful attack. When you are in a war, you kill your enemy.

And yes, even US citizens who participate are open to drone attacks. No one biatched at Lincoln for the confederate troops death even though they were American citizens (Union did not recognize the Confederacy).




To elaborate slightly, when you have someone like me defending President Obama, a man who really does not like him, you know that your position is wrong
 
2012-08-16 09:53:19 AM
When a Republican does it. Duh.
 
2012-08-16 10:07:17 AM
when Obama is in power
 
2012-08-16 10:08:04 AM
bees
 
2012-08-16 10:10:13 AM
Mmm. This should be an interesting thread. This is one of those issues divides real liberals from party-line Democrats.
 
2012-08-16 10:10:59 AM

cman: Drone killings are illegal where there is a chance that someone can be extracted without loss of life for the extraction team.


The are illegal when they are outside the bounds of the AUMF. They are legal when the President deems you are a member of a nation, state, or organization that perpetrated or abided the 9/11 attacks and in his estimation, blowing your shiat up would help prevent it from happening again.

Thats the law.
 
2012-08-16 10:11:14 AM

James F. Campbell: Mmm. This should be an interesting thread. This is one of those issues divides real liberals from party-line Democrats.


real liberals can suck it. Obama's in power
 
2012-08-16 10:11:58 AM
when we say they aren't, i guess.
 
2012-08-16 10:12:06 AM
If they aren't on US soil, f*ck them. Citizen or not, you leave US territory, you become a potential target and deserve no mercy. Don't want to die? Immigrate to the US.
 
2012-08-16 10:12:20 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-16 10:12:35 AM

Rent Party: cman: Drone killings are illegal where there is a chance that someone can be extracted without loss of life for the extraction team.


The are illegal when they are outside the bounds of the AUMF. They are legal when the President deems you are a member of a nation, state, or organization that perpetrated or abided the 9/11 attacks and in his estimation, blowing your shiat up would help prevent it from happening again.

Thats the law.


You are correct. Thank you for your post
 
2012-08-16 10:13:11 AM
Legal according what laws...

Is the constitution the supreme law of our land or is international law?
 
2012-08-16 10:15:22 AM
They are only illegal when North Korea or Iran do them.
 
2012-08-16 10:15:25 AM
"Also, the Bush administration carried out fewer targeted killings: Of the 336 attacks as of July 2012 in Pakistan, 284 have occurred under Obama. Bush officials were better able, therefore, to suppress discussion. Also, human rights advocates had their hands full with the more visible problems of the Bush era: torture, Guantanamo Bay and military commissions. A number of them then joined the Obama administration; rather than condemn targeted killing as the violation of international law that it is, some former critics are defending it, presumably as part of their job."

Oh, good. I was afraid we'd have to deal with a double standard.
 
2012-08-16 10:15:48 AM
Obama is the only Nobel Peace Prize recipient who maintains a "kill list."

Let that sink in for a minute...
 
2012-08-16 10:16:09 AM
You require more vespian gas!
 
2012-08-16 10:17:02 AM
"President" Ballrog, HUSSEIN, Sombrero, Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, al-Chicago, Chocolate Jesus, B-Rock the Islamic Shock, Barky McTeleprompter, Wizard of Uhhs, BoBo the Clown, Oblahbla, Jug Ears, Saunas breach akimbo, Waffles The Clown, Borborygmos Hammerhiem, The Rainbow King, Bukkake O'Bunga, OBIGOT, El Jefe Chocholate, "Jace the Mindsculpter", Hopey McChangeypants, Oyobi, Bonzo the Time Traveler, La Bamba yo' Mamma, Samurai Kebab Nachos, Fartbongo, II"

Need a little help with the second one......

Presidential Canduhdate Mitt "The Shiat" Romney, Romneyhood, Ritz Cracka, Willard the Republitard, El Jefe Acartonado, Milli Vanilli Romni, Papaya Vagina, Romman & Roybin,
 
2012-08-16 10:18:02 AM
obummer is a criminal, if we allow it to continue to write executive orders we will all be in gitmo before it is evicted from the white house!
 
2012-08-16 10:18:50 AM

Leeds: Obama is the only Nobel Peace Prize recipient who maintains a "kill list."

Let that sink in for a minute...


Leeds: Obama is the only Nobel Peace Prize recipient who maintains a "kill list."

Let that sink in for a minute...


Only because all the Israeli Prime Ministers they awarded it to are dead
 
2012-08-16 10:19:08 AM

fredsnake: obummer is a criminal, if we allow it to continue to write executive orders we will all be in gitmo before it is evicted from the whiteBLACK HOUSE

 
2012-08-16 10:19:19 AM

GAT_00: When a Republican does it. Duh.


It appears as though you have it backwards: When a Democratic President does it, they're perfectly fine, even if they're killing American citizens without a trial. If it was a Republican President doing it, there would be significantly more opposition to it.
 
2012-08-16 10:19:57 AM
A better question is "When are drone any killings not Illegal?"

/not much better, but doesn't split hairs about technology
 
2012-08-16 10:21:48 AM

ChipNASA: "President" Ballrog, HUSSEIN, Sombrero, Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, al-Chicago, Chocolate Jesus, B-Rock the Islamic Shock, Barky McTeleprompter, Wizard of Uhhs, BoBo the Clown, Oblahbla, Jug Ears, Saunas breach akimbo, Waffles The Clown, Borborygmos Hammerhiem, The Rainbow King, Bukkake O'Bunga, OBIGOT, El Jefe Chocholate, "Jace the Mindsculpter", Hopey McChangeypants, Oyobi, Bonzo the Time Traveler, La Bamba yo' Mamma, Samurai Kebab Nachos, Fartbongo, II"

Need a little help with the second one......

Presidential Canduhdate Mitt "The Shiat" Romney, Romneyhood, Ritz Cracka, Willard the Republitard, El Jefe Acartonado, Milli Vanilli Romni, Papaya Vagina, Romman & Roybin,


Damn you.
The wife sprayed coffee on me at that one.
 
2012-08-16 10:21:50 AM

meanmutton: GAT_00: When a Republican does it. Duh.

It appears as though you have it backwards: When a Democratic President does it, they're perfectly fine, even if they're killing American citizens without a trial. If it was a Republican President doing it, there would be significantly more opposition to it.


Why are you under the impression that being an American citizen means the military cannot kill you if you're fighting for an enemy of the US?
 
2012-08-16 10:22:22 AM

AirForceVet: Fixed it for you.


No, he had it right the first time.
 
2012-08-16 10:22:41 AM

dwrash: Is the constitution the supreme law of our land or is international law?


When killing people in their lands without a declaration of war, I'd say international.
 
2012-08-16 10:22:46 AM

meanmutton: GAT_00: When a Republican does it. Duh.

It appears as though you have it backwards: When a Democratic President does it, they're perfectly fine, even if they're killing American citizens without a trial. If it was a Republican President doing it, there would be significantly more opposition to it.


Don't bother, he's on a roll.
 
2012-08-16 10:23:04 AM
I believe they have been made legal in Ecuador recently.
 
2012-08-16 10:23:14 AM

MBooda: A better question is "When are drone any killings not Illegal?"

/not much better, but doesn't split hairs about technology


when teh military's doin it
 
2012-08-16 10:23:30 AM

meanmutton: GAT_00: When a Republican does it. Duh.

It appears as though you have it backwards: When a Democratic President does it, they're perfectly fine, even if they're killing American citizens without a trial. If it was a Republican President doing it, there would be significantly more opposition to it.


It's okay if we shoot people. We've got a black president.
 
2012-08-16 10:23:53 AM

James F. Campbell: Mmm. This should be an interesting thread. This is one of those issues divides real liberals from party-line Democrats.


And that's the problem isn't it.

I've got a cousin in Pennsylvania that's about as liberal as it gets- pretty darn disgusted with a lot of the current administration, as much as she wanted to support it. Just like I was pretty darn unhappy with "W", as much as I wanted him to be a good president. Funny thing is how much we agree on how things *should* be, despite party alignment (that's quickly eroding for both of us due to extreme jackassery in Washington) and the couple of philosophical differences that we have.
 
2012-08-16 10:24:02 AM

meanmutton: GAT_00: When a Republican does it. Duh.

It appears as though you have it backwards: When a Democratic President does it, they're perfectly fine, even if they're killing American citizens without a trial. If it was a Republican President doing it, there would be significantly more opposition to it.


It's amazing how fark liberals see the world.
 
2012-08-16 10:24:20 AM

arethereanybeernamesleft: dwrash: Is the constitution the supreme law of our land or is international law?

When killing people in their lands without a declaration of war, I'd say international.


Go read the 9/11 AUMF and get back to us when you're a bit more educated on the subject.
 
2012-08-16 10:24:26 AM
If it's not in the USA and used to take out al qaeda thugs, I say go for it.

Of course the teabaggers all cry because we are not reading vicious killers their Miranda rights, but somebody has to help keep America safe.
 
2012-08-16 10:25:00 AM

steelkidney: James F. Campbell: Mmm. This should be an interesting thread. This is one of those issues divides real liberals from party-line Democrats.

And that's the problem isn't it.

I've got a cousin in Pennsylvania that's about as liberal as it gets- pretty darn disgusted with a lot of the current administration, as much as she wanted to support it. Just like I was pretty darn unhappy with "W", as much as I wanted him to be a good president. Funny thing is how much we agree on how things *should* be, despite party alignment (that's quickly eroding for both of us due to extreme jackassery in Washington) and the couple of philosophical differences that we have.


Yeah, I bet someone who's "about as liberal as it gets" is itching to go out and vote for Mitt Romney.
 
2012-08-16 10:25:36 AM

stirfrybry: meanmutton: GAT_00: When a Republican does it. Duh.

It appears as though you have it backwards: When a Democratic President does it, they're perfectly fine, even if they're killing American citizens without a trial. If it was a Republican President doing it, there would be significantly more opposition to it.

It's amazing how fark liberals see the world.


Without the assistance of Fox News? That is a scary thought.
 
2012-08-16 10:25:53 AM

qorkfiend: steelkidney: James F. Campbell: Mmm. This should be an interesting thread. This is one of those issues divides real liberals from party-line Democrats.

And that's the problem isn't it.

I've got a cousin in Pennsylvania that's about as liberal as it gets- pretty darn disgusted with a lot of the current administration, as much as she wanted to support it. Just like I was pretty darn unhappy with "W", as much as I wanted him to be a good president. Funny thing is how much we agree on how things *should* be, despite party alignment (that's quickly eroding for both of us due to extreme jackassery in Washington) and the couple of philosophical differences that we have.

Yeah, I bet someone who's "about as liberal as it gets" is itching to go out and vote for Mitt Romney.


*snort*

Good one!
 
2012-08-16 10:26:01 AM
Ones that dont get leaked
 
2012-08-16 10:26:32 AM
Also, conservatives complaining about drones strikes and assassinations is hilarious.

Please, you disingenuous twats. Please don't pretend that you care about rights and laws. We both know you don't give a fark, so please don't insult my intelligence, okay?
 
2012-08-16 10:27:06 AM

Lost Thought 00: Leeds: Obama is the only Nobel Peace Prize recipient who maintains a "kill list."

Let that sink in for a minute...

Leeds: Obama is the only Nobel Peace Prize recipient who maintains a "kill list."

Let that sink in for a minute...

Only because all the Israeli Prime Ministers they awarded it to are dead


Don't forget Yasser Arafat.

John Yoo argued before Congress under Bush that it was A-OK for the president to order that a child's testicles be crushed in front of his parents if it was deemed necessary by the president to extract information from the parents.
 
2012-08-16 10:27:27 AM

Jake Havechek: If it's not in the USA and used to take out al qaeda thugs, I say go for it.

Of course the teabaggers all cry because we are not reading vicious killers their Miranda rights, but somebody has to help keep America safe.


Wut? Are you on drugs?
 
2012-08-16 10:27:28 AM

Rent Party:
The are illegal when they are outside the bounds of the AUMF. They are legal when the President deems you are a member of a nation, state, or organization that perpetrated or abided the 9/11 attacks and in his estimation, blowing your shiat up would help prevent it from happening again.

Thats the law.


This. Everything is perfectly legal. The headline is asking the wrong question.
 
2012-08-16 10:28:31 AM
Section 1 - Short Title

This joint resolution may be cited as the 'Authorization for Use of Military Force'.

Section 2 - Authorization For Use of United States Armed Forces

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

(b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-
(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.
 
2012-08-16 10:29:33 AM

meanmutton: GAT_00: When a Republican does it. Duh.

It appears as though you have it backwards: When a Democratic President does it, they're perfectly fine, even if they're killing American citizens without a trial. If it was a Republican President doing it, there would be significantly more opposition to it.


No, it's straight up illegal. The people biatching the loudest tend to be Republicans who, as always, are worthless farking hypocrites.
 
2012-08-16 10:30:15 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Jake Havechek: If it's not in the USA and used to take out al qaeda thugs, I say go for it.

Of course the teabaggers all cry because we are not reading vicious killers their Miranda rights, but somebody has to help keep America safe.

Wut? Are you on drugs?


That was one of the complaints about the al-Awlaki killing - for some reason people believed that 'due process' in this case meant treating everything like criminal prosecutions rather than war powers.
 
Displayed 50 of 232 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report