Harry_Seldon: I work for a large tech company. We budget and hire a large significant number of interns and recent college graduates. Our expectations for interns is that we train them do do productive work. We train them to be successful in a rapidly evolving environment. We see interns as an investment int the future, not a profit center. We, as management, take time to train and mentor, provide a comfortable environment, and low stress. By the end of their one year internship, they are prepared to be productive employees, and not necessarily for my company.
raygundan: Harry_Seldon: I work for a large tech company. We budget and hire a large significant number of interns and recent college graduates. Our expectations for interns is that we train them do do productive work. We train them to be successful in a rapidly evolving environment. We see interns as an investment int the future, not a profit center. We, as management, take time to train and mentor, provide a comfortable environment, and low stress. By the end of their one year internship, they are prepared to be productive employees, and not necessarily for my company.In a decade and a half, I've never worked at a tech company that trained or invested in workers. You get hired if you're already an expert on what they're doing, and you get let go when the project ends or they switch to something you're not already an expert in.I'm jealous.
Troifan: This is fairly common in most places today. They want the person at company A who has all the skills they want, but arent willing to train a person to be the person they want. Rarely does one come out of any school, trade, college , barber, you name it, fully trained. You learn tips of the trade along the way.You can be fairly close in qualifications, but arent considered. Lets say the company wants a guy with 4 years experience, and I have 3 ? What is the huge difference, most likely not much.I am continually running into that sort of thing these days. No one seems to want to spend a dime on any sort of training, formal or informal. What ever happened to the days of OJT ( On Job Training ) ? Life is OJT.I know this is becoming more and more of an issue.
gimmegimme: DenisVengeance: I love interns. They work their asses off on projects my guys don't have time for during the year, and in exchange they get to say they worked for a Fortune 100 company on their resume. Win Win.Do they get paid?
Loreweaver: I remember when looking for a tech job after the Dot-Com bubble burst, tech companies were looking for people with several years of .NET experience, which had only been in release for a few months at that point. I was also turned down for a job as a Visual Studio programmer, because I "only" had 5 years experience with VS 97 and 6.0. Nevermind that I had been working with VS97 and VS 6.0 since their release dates, I "lacked" enough experience to work on those platforms, according to the hiring manager...Management and HR get so hung up on the latest buzzwords, and never actually bother to do basic research on the requirements they attach to job openings. They are idiots of the highest magnitude, and only care about how easy it will be for the company to exploit the new hires.
studebaker hoch: Internships are how kids with zero experience or skills get in the door of cool companies.They are also known as "lucky breaks" or "chances of a lifetime".
Fissile: gerbilpox:Too many are like this:Interviewer: "Have you ever driven a Ford car?"Applicant: "Not a Ford one, but other brands of course. I have a license and a clean driving record."Interviewer: "Have you ever driven a red car?"Applicant: "Well, no, not a red one, specifically. Various other colors."Interviewer: "I see. Have you ever driven to [location]?"Applicant: "Yes, I drive by there every day."Interview: "For how long?"Applicant: "Well... I guess for about 6 months now."Interviewer: "I see. I'm sorry, Mr. Jones, but we're looking for someone with 3 years' experience driving a 2011 model red Ford to [location]. Thank you coming in."===============Years ago, I had the following conversation at a job interview:Interviewer: Do you have experience with MS-DOS?Me: I know CP/M.Interviewer: I'm sorry, we are really looking for someone experienced with MS-DOS.
sseye: Especially available to kids who don't have to work for a living, aka another way rich kids get a huge leg up in supposedly meritocratic America. Most of us can't afford to work for sub-minimum wage while dressing and socializing like upper execs for a couple of years, then go to b-school and re-enter 5 levels above the ground floor.
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