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2012-08-15 08:30:34 PM
The evidence took up 5 percent of the DEA's worldwide electronic storage.

We had to buy a NAS at work last week. 4 terabytes for $300. With all the money we give these guys to fight the war on drugs they can't scrape up enough money to go to Best Buy and buy a new hard drive? I mean come on, the DEA only has 40 terabytes worth of storage space in the whole world? There's probably fraternities that have more than that in just porn.
 
2012-08-15 08:52:20 PM
Noriega wasn't extradited and you do not need to try him on 7 million charges. Just a few to lock him up for awhile.
 
2012-08-15 09:09:43 PM
The Feds are notorious for really, really bad and outdated computer systems.
 
2012-08-15 09:11:24 PM
So, that's their level of commitment to any crime.
 
2012-08-15 10:01:15 PM
The Miami doctor fled to his native Panama after coming under investigation in 2004, and Panamanian authorities say they do not extradite their own citizens.


Quoting this for those who don't FTFA.
 
2012-08-15 10:02:12 PM

God-is-a-Taco:
Quoting this for those who don't FRTFA.


FTFM
 
2012-08-15 10:05:54 PM
Just in case anyone is wondering, it takes five years to become a resident of Panama and that's after your Immigrant Visa has been approved.

Link
 
2012-08-15 10:06:32 PM
Just curious, that's why.
 
2012-08-15 11:22:04 PM
um...you can get a 2 TB drive off amazon for like...$300 bucks. WTF are these guys talking about? put the data on a 2TB drive, and lock it up in the evidence room.
 
2012-08-15 11:26:57 PM

Weaver95: um...you can get a 2 TB drive off amazon for like...$300 bucks. WTF are these guys talking about? put the data on a 2TB drive, and lock it up in the evidence room.


They probably have some kind of rickety legacy system and are contractually required to buy new hardware from some company that charges 100 time as much.
 
2012-08-16 12:14:43 AM

Weaver95: um...you can get a 2 TB drive off amazon for like...$300 bucks. WTF are these guys talking about? put the data on a 2TB drive, and lock it up in the evidence room.


I'm guessing the 400,000 paper documents were more of a problem than the 2 tb's of electronic files......
 
2012-08-16 03:15:09 AM
how about try him in absentia, find him guilty, put a warrant out for his arrest, and toss most of the unneeded evidence? keep the juicy bit ...

FFS
oh yes, and how about, no extradition to the US?? then 100% tariffs. on everything.
 
2012-08-16 03:21:56 AM

bronyaur1: The Feds are notorious for really, really bad and outdated computer systems.


All government is part of the problem, so vote Republican and Romney-Ryan. So that we can make government so small we can drown it in a bathtub.
 
2012-08-16 06:20:31 AM
Maybe if the DEA wasn't so busy investigating and imprisoning people who, in accordance with state laws, provide ganja to cancer patients, they would have the resources to devote to this.
 
2012-08-16 06:31:51 AM
it's not like it was a pot dealing operation. if it was, we'd spend $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.00

on storage if possible
 
2012-08-16 06:35:48 AM

Weaver95: um...you can get a 2 TB drive off amazon for like...$300 bucks. WTF are these guys talking about? put the data on a 2TB drive, and lock it up in the evidence room.


I remember when you could get them for around $70 last year before they had some rain in Thailand. Then the speculators said OMG, it rained in Thailand, we gotta raise the prices.
 
2012-08-16 06:38:54 AM

fusillade762: Weaver95: um...you can get a 2 TB drive off amazon for like...$300 bucks. WTF are these guys talking about? put the data on a 2TB drive, and lock it up in the evidence room.

They probably have some kind of rickety legacy system and are contractually required to buy new hardware from some company that charges 100 time as much.


They probably have an antiquated file system that won't support a single 2TB drive. So it would require a stack of smaller drives.

In any event, the storage was not the issue. Panama won't extradite. So they were dead in the water anyway. And for what? All they could hope to accomplish was to put this guy in jail. Then we'd have to pay for him.
 
2012-08-16 06:40:47 AM

bronyaur1: The Feds are notorious for really, really bad and outdated computer systems.


Yeah, but they are really good at getting the most power out of what they have. Afterall, who knew you could even hook up a hard drive to a Coleco Adam? Or maybe that was the problem... 2TB stored on cassettes does take up a huge amount of space.
 
2012-08-16 06:46:18 AM
It does seem pointless to waste so much time and effort over somebody who hasn't been in the country for 8 years.
 
2012-08-16 06:48:45 AM
They probably did not want to read through 2 million novels worth of "evidence" and decided their time would be better spent convicting blah people with court appointed lawyers.
 
2012-08-16 06:49:44 AM
Oportunity cost.
 
2012-08-16 06:50:48 AM

durbnpoisn: fusillade762: Weaver95: um...you can get a 2 TB drive off amazon for like...$300 bucks. WTF are these guys talking about? put the data on a 2TB drive, and lock it up in the evidence room.

They probably have some kind of rickety legacy system and are contractually required to buy new hardware from some company that charges 100 time as much.

They probably have an antiquated file system that won't support a single 2TB drive. So it would require a stack of smaller drives.

In any event, the storage was not the issue. Panama won't extradite. So they were dead in the water anyway. And for what? All they could hope to accomplish was to put this guy in jail. Then we'd have to pay for him.


BUT WE MUST HAVE BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

Seriously, folks drink so much of it on Sundays there is a vital need for transfusions. How do you get transfusions to Babby Jesus if not through the steady executions and prison deaths of felons? Going soft on crime and not mistaking vengeance for justice would bring Christiandom to its knees. As the rightful heirs to the title of God's Chosen People, we have a duty to bring some Old Testament pain to those who disturb our domestic tranquility. Even unto the third and fourth generations of those who break our holy and immutable laws.
 
2012-08-16 06:58:05 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: it's not like it was a pot dealing operation. if it was, we'd spend $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.00

on storage if possible


That's not the dealing operation, that's just one of the buyers.
 
2012-08-16 07:04:04 AM

Karac: The evidence took up 5 percent of the DEA's worldwide electronic storage.

We had to buy a NAS at work last week. 4 terabytes for $300. .



home storage aint enterprise storage son. The prices are not the same
 
2012-08-16 07:07:04 AM
A 9 year investigation?

Jeesus H. Christ - I know they have to gather evidence and all, but can't they get enough within a year? After a year shouldn't it be put up or shut up time? Either you have the evidence after 12 months or you still don't see any crime happening.
 
2012-08-16 07:07:44 AM
Our system has failed.
 
2012-08-16 07:11:05 AM
Oh FFS, but a $199 Netbook and a trio of WD hard drives, drag a few interns into a room to scan all the other documents.

All done and compressed down to a hipster bike-courier satchel bag for under $500. Don't pay the interns, they're effing interns.
 
2012-08-16 07:17:12 AM

Lemmy Kilmister: Karac: The evidence took up 5 percent of the DEA's worldwide electronic storage.

We had to buy a NAS at work last week. 4 terabytes for $300. .


home storage aint enterprise storage son. The prices are not the same


kinda like how Office 2012 is FREE. but professional edition is $1000000000000.
 
2012-08-16 07:19:26 AM

Ghryswald: Don't pay the interns, they're effing interns.


Fark you.
 
2012-08-16 07:20:45 AM

Weaver95: um...you can get a 2 TB drive off amazon for like...$300 bucks. WTF are these guys talking about? put the data on a 2TB drive, and lock it up in the evidence room.


If you are paying that much you are getting ripped off. BADLY.

For 150 you can have a 3TB drive in a USB 3.0 case.
Link
 
2012-08-16 07:21:28 AM

AbbeySomeone: It does seem pointless to waste so much time and effort over somebody who hasn't been in the country for 8 years.


God-is-a-Taco: The Miami doctor fled to his native Panama after coming under investigation in 2004, and Panamanian authorities say they do not extradite their own citizens.


Quoting this for those who don't FTFA.


So wait, are you telling me that a trolly headline for a Fox News article is not exactly accurate????
 
2012-08-16 07:21:34 AM

Lemmy Kilmister: Karac: The evidence took up 5 percent of the DEA's worldwide electronic storage.

We had to buy a NAS at work last week. 4 terabytes for $300. .


home storage aint enterprise storage son. The prices are not the same


Exactly. I just got a 7 TB Equallogic from Dell for about $20,000 and I thought it was cheap.
 
2012-08-16 07:27:34 AM

Hacker_X: Weaver95: um...you can get a 2 TB drive off amazon for like...$300 bucks. WTF are these guys talking about? put the data on a 2TB drive, and lock it up in the evidence room.

If you are paying that much you are getting ripped off. BADLY.

For 150 you can have a 3TB drive in a USB 3.0 case.
Link


Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
 
2012-08-16 07:27:42 AM
I worked for the Department of Energy, large swaths of the Federal government got tons of money as part of the Computer Modernization Act, part of the Stimulas Act. We bought millions of dollars new equipment, and contractors to implement the new systems.

The story from the DEA sounds like BS. Even for what the government defines as a critical business system, a secure SAN storage system meeting NIST regulations could easily be had for $300,000. This should be a piddle amount of money for the DEA, especially after all the money these agencies received for just this purpose in 2009.
 
2012-08-16 07:27:47 AM
Prosecutors drop drug charges against doctor because the 400,000 documents and 2 terabytes of data are taking up too much space in their offices. he fled to Panama and ain't ever coming back. No, seriously
 
2012-08-16 07:30:57 AM
So if I am going to do a crime, I have to make sure there is so much evidence against me, that they will get tired of processing it all and just say "Fark it, have a nice day?" That sounds like it's going to be fun.

Hey, DEA, here's a solution. You don't like having 400,000 pages of evidence? Toss out 390,000 of those pages and you still have 10,000 pages of evidence. If you can convict someone based on a piece of pocket lint found at a crime scene, I'm sure 10,000 pages would be enough.
 
2012-08-16 07:31:36 AM

MythDragon: So if I am going to do a crime, I have to make sure there is so much evidence against me, that they will get tired of processing it all and just say "Fark it, have a nice day?" That sounds like it's going to be fun.

Hey, DEA, here's a solution. You don't like having 400,000 pages of evidence? Toss out 390,000 of those pages and you still have 10,000 pages of evidence. If you can convict someone based on a piece of pocket lint found at a crime scene, I'm sure 10,000 pages would be enough.


maybe THEY didn't want to CONVICT HIM??
 
2012-08-16 07:38:03 AM
Two-terabyte memory drives are widely available for $100, but the DEA's data server must be relatively small and may need replacement, a costly and risky proposition for an agency that must maintain the integrity of documents, said University of Iowa computer scientist Douglas Jones



Of for farks sake.

Yeah, its a simple matter of expanding your high peformance SAN by 2TB by hitting up NewEgg for the cheapest 2TB drive they have in stock. Sounds like our users and invaluable business leaders. Exchange server hosting 5,000 mailboxes running out of space? Well, my son just added 2TB to my home PC for like $100, why do you want a whole new DAS cabinet? I mean, we bought the cheapest one and maxed it out 4 years ago when we built the server!

And I'm the chain of custody is more than just stick the data on some USB drive and lock it up. We have to prove more than that with our archival systems and that is just to comply with the occasional civil filings between business partners. I'm sure its a bit more burdesome in criminal cases.
 
2012-08-16 07:39:10 AM

Lord Farkwad: Weaver95: um...you can get a 2 TB drive off amazon for like...$300 bucks. WTF are these guys talking about? put the data on a 2TB drive, and lock it up in the evidence room.

I remember when you could get them for around $70 last year before they had some rain in Thailand. Then the speculators said OMG, it rained in Thailand, we gotta raise the prices.


Hard drive speculators?
 
2012-08-16 07:43:33 AM
They investigated for 9 years and spent who knows what on manpower and they can't afford another HD for 50 bucks?
 
2012-08-16 07:49:55 AM

Lemmy Kilmister: Karac: The evidence took up 5 percent of the DEA's worldwide electronic storage.

We had to buy a NAS at work last week. 4 terabytes for $300. .


home storage aint enterprise storage son. The prices are not the same


WD Blacks can be had in the terabyte range for $2-300, and those are enterprise grade drives. This is just government acquisitions idiocy.
 
2012-08-16 07:57:53 AM

TsukasaK: Lemmy Kilmister: Karac: The evidence took up 5 percent of the DEA's worldwide electronic storage.

We had to buy a NAS at work last week. 4 terabytes for $300. .


home storage aint enterprise storage son. The prices are not the same

WD Blacks can be had in the terabyte range for $2-300, and those are enterprise grade drives. This is just government acquisitions idiocy.


lol
 
2012-08-16 07:58:53 AM
I'm not a criminal defense attorney but I think that if you flee the country you toll the speedy trial clock. Can someone confirm this for me? Otherwise this guy would have one hell of a 3rd Amendment claim.
 
2012-08-16 08:03:41 AM

durbnpoisn: fusillade762: Weaver95: um...you can get a 2 TB drive off amazon for like...$300 bucks. WTF are these guys talking about? put the data on a 2TB drive, and lock it up in the evidence room.

They probably have some kind of rickety legacy system and are contractually required to buy new hardware from some company that charges 100 time as much.

They probably have an antiquated file system that won't support a single 2TB drive. So it would require a stack of smaller drives.

In any event, the storage was not the issue. Panama won't extradite. So they were dead in the water anyway. And for what? All they could hope to accomplish was to put this guy in jail. Then we'd have to pay for him.


No one in the government knows how to format a 2TB hard drive into smaller partitions?
 
2012-08-16 08:03:49 AM

Studson: I'm not a criminal defense attorney but I think that if you flee the country you toll the speedy trial clock. Can someone confirm this for me? Otherwise this guy would have one hell of a 3rd Amendment claim.


If he's not a U.S. citizen, we technically could send his ass to Gitmo for eternity without a trial.
 
2012-08-16 08:05:06 AM

MythDragon: So if I am going to do a crime, I have to make sure there is so much evidence against me, that they will get tired of processing it all and just say "Fark it, have a nice day?" That sounds like it's going to be fun.

Hey, DEA, here's a solution. You don't like having 400,000 pages of evidence? Toss out 390,000 of those pages and you still have 10,000 pages of evidence. If you can convict someone based on a piece of pocket lint found at a crime scene, I'm sure 10,000 pages would be enough.


Except they don't have 400,000 pages of evidence, they have 400,000 pages of crap you seized from his office that includes patient records, hockey pool forms, lazy town slashfic, professional letters and maybe if you're lucky something about drugs. And someone has to sift through every word of it for anything that might have probative value so they can log it and have a photocopy ready for disclosure. I'm gonna guess your average DEA agent knows about as much about reading medical transcriptions as I know about reading the Bhagivad Gita, so they're probably either hiring help or relying on a small number of trained pros. Either way that's going to take one seriously long time.
 
2012-08-16 08:09:24 AM

aNihilV10L8tr: No one in the government knows how to format a 2TB hard drive into smaller partitions?


Think about what you're asking for a moment. I'll go ahead and answer that for you. No. No they don't. This is the government you're talking about.
 
2012-08-16 08:11:43 AM

Weaver95: um...you can get a 2 TB drive off amazon for like...$300 bucks. WTF are these guys talking about? put the data on a 2TB drive, and lock it up in the evidence room.


$300? Here's a shiatload from Newegg for around $120

But still, welcome to the new legal defense method. Information overload.
 
2012-08-16 08:21:26 AM

robbrie: Prosecutors drop drug charges against doctor because the 400,000 documents and 2 terabytes of data are taking up too much space in their offices. he fled to Panama and ain't ever coming back. No, seriously


Not quite. If the case only required one sheet of paper, for example, it would still be open. It probably wouldn't ever get anywhere, but they likely wouldn't have closed it. The fact that the case wasn't going anywhere and they had so much shiat sitting around is why they closed it...so they could get rid of the shiat.
 
2012-08-16 08:23:18 AM

Flakeloaf: MythDragon: So if I am going to do a crime, I have to make sure there is so much evidence against me, that they will get tired of processing it all and just say "Fark it, have a nice day?" That sounds like it's going to be fun.

Hey, DEA, here's a solution. You don't like having 400,000 pages of evidence? Toss out 390,000 of those pages and you still have 10,000 pages of evidence. If you can convict someone based on a piece of pocket lint found at a crime scene, I'm sure 10,000 pages would be enough.

Except they don't have 400,000 pages of evidence, they have 400,000 pages of crap you seized from his office that includes patient records, hockey pool forms, lazy town slashfic, professional letters and maybe if you're lucky something about drugs. And someone has to sift through every word of it for anything that might have probative value so they can log it and have a photocopy ready for disclosure. I'm gonna guess your average DEA agent knows about as much about reading medical transcriptions as I know about reading the Bhagivad Gita, so they're probably either hiring help or relying on a small number of trained pros. Either way that's going to take one seriously long time.


================

^This^

"Oooh, I'm a super genius techno-geek, and I could solve this problem with 200 bucks and a trip to BestBuy!" This is why techno-geek idiot savants shouldn't be given any responsibilities that don't directly involve writing code. Leave the big picture decisions up to the adult supervision.

Despite what the Feds say publicly, this isn't about a lack of tech know how. This is about getting human beings to analyze 400K worth of documents....most of it written in arcane doctor-ese. No, you couldn't build a case with only a small portion of the docs, because even Lionel Hutz could pick apart a case like that in a few minutes.
 
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