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2012-08-15 06:29:38 PM  
10 votes:
GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

You shut your whore mouth. You shut it RIGHT NOW
2012-08-15 10:46:59 PM  
6 votes:

Capt. Sparkles: I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.


I look at it the other way. We need MORE hero worship of scientists and engineers. Make them big, make them figures that kids or just people want to be, want to be like.
Sad that it's more of a bandwagon/fad thing, but it's better than nothing.

Keyser_Soze_Death: Had his funding not been cut off by politics, today we would probably have those flying cars everyone keeps biatching about.


That would be terrifying.
2012-08-15 08:43:37 PM  
6 votes:
Everyone's opinions on Tesla aside, I'd rather see the space become a science museum than a shopping center. Science museums are just so much cooler.
2012-08-15 11:01:41 PM  
5 votes:

tomcatadam: I look at it the other way. We need MORE hero worship of scientists and engineers. Make them big, make them figures that kids or just people want to be, want to be like.
Sad that it's more of a bandwagon/fad thing, but it's better than nothing.


i47.tinypic.com

In an age where being an intellectual will get you looked down upon more often then not (look no further than the political arena for this), putting a scientist up on the pedestal he deserves is something we NEED now. We NEED to hold our intellectuals and inventors and crazy smart people up, and encourage young people to be like them. We NEED more innovators and rule breakers and more crazy science.
2012-08-15 08:41:48 PM  
4 votes:
I don't get the The Oatmeal hate. WTF guys? The contrarian-for-the-sake-of-being-contrarian shiat is an old schtick.

And I think that this is a damned good cause. If you're an American, you live in a country with some really silly museums already in it. I don't see how a Tesla museum would be anything less than awesome.
2012-08-15 08:40:04 PM  
4 votes:

GreenAdder: To paraphrase Adam Savage, there were basically two Teslas, the scientist and the crackpot.


Yes, and exactly the same thing can be said of Isaac Newton. He spent huge amounts of time on real tinfoil hat stuff.....astrology, pyramid crap, etc., but along the way he managed to do all that gravity and calculus stuff, invented the reflecting telescope, etc.

Moral: If you're brilliant enough, you probably look like a loony in some ways to the rest of us.
2012-08-16 01:20:50 AM  
3 votes:

Hand Banana: He did some cool things, but the whole wireless electricity thing was totally stupid.


See, this is exactly why we need a Tesla museum. We have people in this thread commenting about how Tesla was a loon and half his ideas didn't work, not knowing that at least some of those ideas do work even if we went through a long period of no one understanding them. Wireless power transmission for things like lighting a light bulb were absolutely not a big a deal in the early 1900s...40 years later and most people on the street would call you crazy for suggesting it. This thread makes it obvious that even today people aren't aware of it, despite a NASA high power demonstration conducted in 1975 and a video of said demonstration up on youtube. 

Maybe if this knowledge was more common we'd get start working on the steps needed for space based power generation and transmission to Earth, which, ironically enough, would effectively be "power from the air, enough for everyone", exactly like Tesla said.
2012-08-15 09:48:20 PM  
3 votes:
They should ask the company that has profited the most off of Tesla, Spencer Gifts.

mstatic.mit.edu
2012-08-15 09:33:19 PM  
3 votes:

Robert1966: Thirded. He was a talented engineer but some of the things he believed he could do seem to require a surprising ignorance of physics.


In an era when the whole science of electricity was new, he seems to be no worse at his craft than a lot of the other inventors. He learned by doing, and made some real discoveries.

Remember Arthur C. Clarke's quote: "Any sufficiently-advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
2012-08-15 09:12:53 PM  
3 votes:
Hell, yeah I donated. It's about time his legacy got recognized!

/Fark you and your electrocution of animals, Edison
2012-08-15 06:25:44 PM  
3 votes:
Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.
2012-08-16 08:09:48 AM  
2 votes:
Holy fark.. Something worth a damn on the internet and it involves the most awesome science guy who ever lived? *head asplodes*
2012-08-16 12:50:30 AM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


It's not technically about Tesla. It's a cultural meme. It's "us" and our culture vs "them" and their culture. "They" have screwed things up, deified Edison, shunted Tesla to the dustbin of history, pushed down inventors and crazies and made us eat peas. "We" are growing in power and we have the ability to set the world in our image and reverse what "they" have done, because naturally it's all wrong and we can do a better job. Tesla is, in effect, our mascot, or figurehead. Justice for Tesla is a blow against the establishment and a raising of our flag.

Anyhow, Tesla was pretty amazing. The A/C motor is still one of those brilliant inventions that kind of comes out of nowhere. And when he got older, he was pretty crazy. I still think a museum would be lots of fun. I like museums a lot.
2012-08-16 12:44:15 AM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


Go over to your washing machine, grab an axe, chop the washer open, and remove the induction motor from said appliance. You are hereby banned from using this tech ever again.
2012-08-15 11:29:47 PM  
2 votes:

Jormungandr: Robert1966: Capt. Sparkles: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.

Thirded. He was a talented engineer but some of the things he believed he could do seem to require a surprising ignorance of physics.

Alternating current laughs at your voting. He did invent that. We still use it. And AC motors, Arc lighting (fluorescent lights anyone?) and the ever popular Tesla coil.


Not to mention this thing called the radio. But thats just some crazy ass theory that never panned out.
2012-08-15 11:25:27 PM  
2 votes:
hmm, what else do most people forget ? Tesla was the first to take x-rays of his own skeleton and develop them on film. using his own device for generating x-rays without a radioactive isotope, but from vacuum tubes (like we do it today in every x-ray machine).

should I keep going ?
2012-08-15 11:22:04 PM  
2 votes:

Owangotang: Sorry but The Oatmeal's deifying of Tesla coupled with his vilifying of Edison makes me want nothing to do with him or this. That's not history, it is a personally crafted narrative.


I think you really need to study the history. Oatmeal's description of Edison was generous. Everything they wrote was true. If you want to see the crafted narrative, look at the history of Edison that was taught to you in schools. The winner writes the history.
2012-08-15 10:25:10 PM  
2 votes:
My boyfriend will be enjoying a nice new shirt and I just got a sweet bumper sticker.
2012-08-15 10:04:53 PM  
2 votes:

Strix occidentalis: Everyone's opinions on Tesla aside, I'd rather see the space become a science museum than a shopping center. Science museums are just so much cooler.


This times a million.
2012-08-15 10:03:41 PM  
2 votes:
"J.P. Morgan, you there? One hundred years ago you believed in Tesla and backed him financially. Honor his legacy and help him out again!"

"Backed him financially?"... more like "stabbed him the back". Come on Oatmeal, do a little research about the man's life before you give one of his greatest nemeses credit for helping him...
2012-08-15 09:03:11 PM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


He was a crazy, loner, virgin, whose greatness was completely lost on his contemporaries. You can sort of see why the Internet might take a shine to him?
2012-08-15 08:41:05 PM  
2 votes:

Robert1966: Capt. Sparkles: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.

Thirded. He was a talented engineer but some of the things he believed he could do seem to require a surprising ignorance of physics.


Alternating current laughs at your voting. He did invent that. We still use it. And AC motors, Arc lighting (fluorescent lights anyone?) and the ever popular Tesla coil.
2012-08-15 08:25:21 PM  
2 votes:
I contributed in memory of the Topsy, the elephant Thomas Edison electrocuted.

Asshole *

/ * OK mostly Edison was not an asshole but fark you Edison for electrocuting Topsy
2012-08-17 06:57:41 AM  
1 votes:

Max Awesome: jaytkay: I contributed in memory of the Topsy, the elephant Thomas Edison electrocuted.

Asshole *

/ * OK mostly Edison was not an asshole but fark you Edison for electrocuting Topsy

No, you were right the first time. Edison was most definitely an asshole:

[i42.photobucket.com image 771x429]


According to Ira Flatow's book, 'The All Laughed,' though this was done with Edison's knowledge and blessing, the don kept his own hands clean. The nefarious decimation by electrocution of West Orange's pets was directly conducted by Edison's AC hit man, H.P. Brown (who styled himself as a professor but was apparently not), and his chief engineer, Arthur Kennelly. They were the ones who paid neighbourhood kids a quarter per fur-covered head, and secretly tortured and killed the animals by night, keeping careful records of their gruesome deeds. The first public demonstration killed a 76-pound Newfoundland with increasing voltages in a wire cage. SPCA delegates arrived too late to save the dog.

About fifty pets were killed over the summer of 1888. That was the year that Tesla delivered to Westinghouse the AC motor, the tool he needed to take on Edison. Tesla also devised the AC distribution system for all of New York that Westinghouse used to challenge Edison's hegemony there. Brown's scheme was to terrify the public into believing that AC was inherently dangerous at any voltage, at least much more so than DC. He tried to have mains levels over 300V banned from New York -- understanding full well that this would obviate AC's advantages at higher power. It was Brown's idea to promote AC for use in electrocution, as a most dramatic demonstration of its monstrous peril that the public could not ignore or forgot. He personally electrocuted two 230-pound calves before New York reporters to demonstrate its efficacy in killing human-size animals. And it was a lawyer of his acquaintance, Eugene Lewis, who proposed 'westinghouse' as the formal term for execution by electricity (AC, naturally).

In practice, however, the first public use of AC for electrocution of a human didn't go so well. It took nearly two full minutes for William Kemmler to die, and reporters found it gruesome and horrifying -- to their sights, much crueller than hanging, which it replaced.

In the end, though, engineers prevailed, recognising AC's inherent advantages, giving us the grid we have today. (Edison's would have required countless small generators, located much closer to end users, with an inherent limit to potential efficiencies and savings.)

What were their motivations? Edison and Brown both held patents on DC technologies. Kennelly's livelihood depended on Edison's success. AC threatened their monopoly on urban power systems. So, it was all about the money, at every step. Not about what was right or true or what was good for people. And THAT's what makes Edison an asshole: less that he did evil things, than that he did them because in the end, the only person he cared about was himself. Tesla, by contrast, was fully prepared to bankrupt himself *and* Westinghouse *and* Edison, in order to deliver real benefits for people, to the world as a whole. That kind of humanitarian vision and magnanimity was entirely alien to a self-interested twat like Edison.
2012-08-16 03:05:50 PM  
1 votes:
Well, 24 hours in and they've already raised just a little more than half the money. Inman can really rally the troops.
2012-08-16 10:13:42 AM  
1 votes:

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: sxacho: When I was a kid, we used to go on a vacation ever year to Ft Myers. During these vacations, I went on the tour of Edison's summer home at least once every trip. One time, only once, we got this really old tour guide who explained that this wooden box up on a pedestal was sealed and locked by Edison during a time when he was experimenting with the phonograph, when he was also supposedly trying to find a way to contact the dead. Edison's instructions were that the box was to remain sealed until the year 2000, when he thought the world would finally be ready for what was inside.

So a few years ago, my wife and I did the Edison tour. I looked all around trying to find this box but didn't see anything like it. At the end, I privately asked our tour guide about it, wondering what happened when they opened the box. He told me that the tour guides are no longer allowed to make up stories like they used to.

I love shaggy dog stories. :)


Yeah, but it only took you a minute to find out the end. It took me and my young over-imagination about 20 years.
2012-08-16 08:33:35 AM  
1 votes:

Owangotang:
I don't take issue with the veracity of it, only the way it is presented. Every Tesla fact is followed by something dirty Edison did. That's all well and good but it tells me Tesla's and Edison's whole stories don't fit the narrative, which is lame.


He actually went fairly light on Edison. He didn't even touch on Edison's movie pirating and patent trolling.
2012-08-16 08:07:39 AM  
1 votes:

Empty Matchbook: scottydoesntknow: [s3.amazonaws.com image 769x1500]

Click pic to see the whole shebang

The Oatmeal is often a great site, but often disappears up its own cavernous asshole. Suggesting that a "true geek" would turn down sex to work on an invention is...hysterically short-sighted and monumentally arrogant. The guy was likely asexual. It had as much to do with "not wanting to interfere with his experiments" as having sex "obliterates writing from my life."

/though it DOES make it more difficult

 

3.bp.blogspot.com
2012-08-16 02:55:58 AM  
1 votes:

JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....


Well, I would've started with the Muslims and the Greeks, but yeah.
2012-08-16 02:23:19 AM  
1 votes:
You know, a lot of the time the power of the Internet is used for evil. And then something awesome like this comes along and I'm glad to be a part of this wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Will be donating soon as I'm on a capable desktop.
2012-08-16 02:20:52 AM  
1 votes:
I'm in for $100
2012-08-16 01:28:38 AM  
1 votes:

dbaggins: Edison: never invented a thing.


Why do people believe this? He invented lots of stuff, such as the stock ticker and an electric vote recorder when he was a very young man. This was well before he "ran a very productive company filled with inventors."

Of course he invented things. He invented a phonograph that could both record and then produce the sounds.
2012-08-16 01:01:56 AM  
1 votes:
I will donate ONLY if they promise to rebuild Wardenclyffe Tower to Tesla's original specifications and crank that baby up to full power.

/FULL POWAH!
//MWAHHHAHAHAAAA!!
2012-08-16 12:57:51 AM  
1 votes:

Aidan:
Anyhow, Tesla was pretty amazing. The A/C motor is still one of those brilliant inventions that kind of comes out of nowhere. And when he got older, he was pretty crazy. I still think a museum would be lots of fun. I like museums a lot.


Yeah, I just don't like the Oatmeal :P
2012-08-16 12:46:42 AM  
1 votes:

This text is now purple: JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....

Hero of Alexandria
Having a functioning steam engine in 50 AD is nothing to sneeze at.


Aren't you guys forgetting Archimedes?

Greek Fire, giant ass magnifier to fry attackers, worm drive (not warp, worm) a.k.a. Archimedes' Screw, the Claw of Archimedes, spirals, spheres, balloons, etc.

MOTHERfarkING ARCHIMEDES!!!
2012-08-16 12:32:47 AM  
1 votes:

JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....


Hero of Alexandria
Having a functioning steam engine in 50 AD is nothing to sneeze at.
2012-08-16 12:28:50 AM  
1 votes:
The Oatmeal, huh? So I'm guessing 80% of this Tesla museum will be devoted to Why Thomas Edison Was Evil and Bad and Hardly Ever Wrote His Mom exhibits.

Wahhhh, I'm a Tesla fanboy because the Internet says it's cool.
2012-08-16 12:03:56 AM  
1 votes:
I gave $10. I wish it could be more, but I have faith in the power of the internet.
2012-08-16 12:00:53 AM  
1 votes:

dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.


Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....
2012-08-15 11:54:45 PM  
1 votes:

JosephFinn: Oh god, not the Tesla myth people again. Look, he was a decent inventor who never capitalized on his inventions. We clear?


decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

you want to give it a try?


He was not a good business man, but he was the best inventor we have ever had.
2012-08-15 11:45:10 PM  
1 votes:
The Oatmeal post is awesome, cubed
2012-08-15 11:29:46 PM  
1 votes:
This is really making progress! Way to go, internet!
2012-08-15 11:18:14 PM  
1 votes:
most people are entirely ignorant of all of Tesla's actually working inventions


the AC electric generator

the three-phase induction motor (the motor in every factory on earth)

the AC transformer (walk out to your street, follow the humming sound)

the AC/DC rectifier , and for kicks, also the inverter.

oh, and thanks to solid-state inverters you now get....electric cars that use the 3-phase induction motor, with constant toque at all speeds and no losses. ta da
2012-08-15 11:02:17 PM  
1 votes:
Sorry but The Oatmeal's deifying of Tesla coupled with his vilifying of Edison makes me want nothing to do with him or this. That's not history, it is a personally crafted narrative.
2012-08-15 10:59:08 PM  
1 votes:

tomcatadam: Keyser_Soze_Death: Had his funding not been cut off by politics, today we would probably have those flying cars everyone keeps biatching about.

That would be terrifyingly awesome.


FTFM
2012-08-15 10:11:52 PM  
1 votes:
media.giantbomb.com
2012-08-15 10:08:43 PM  
1 votes:

Gabrielmot: "J.P. Morgan, you there? One hundred years ago you believed in Tesla and backed him financially. Honor his legacy and help him out again!"

"Backed him financially?"... more like "stabbed him the back". Come on Oatmeal, do a little research about the man's life before you give one of his greatest nemeses credit for helping him...


Saying "Stabbed him in the back" isn't going to get them to want to donate.
2012-08-15 10:02:44 PM  
1 votes:

rocky_howard: Tesla worshiping is like Bacon worshiping. It was cool when we were doing it 10 years ago, but now every schmuck who wants to feel smart and quirky namedrops Tesla and Bacon. fark that shiat. farking fads. I hate fads.


The cool kids have moved onto Buckminster Fuller?
2012-08-15 09:43:02 PM  
1 votes:
$150K in six hours?

Screw SuperPACS, I want this guy.

He could create "Operation: F It, I'm Not Gonna Lie To You, I'm Totally Stealing It All And Blowing It All On Beer And Hookers" and have six figures by the end of the day.
2012-08-15 09:22:45 PM  
1 votes:
Carreon climbing out from under a rock in 3... 2... ?
2012-08-15 09:18:21 PM  
1 votes:

jayhawk88: OK can we please stop with the "Tesla was going to build a moderately tall tower that would somehow supply the state/country/world with free wireless power" crap? Tesla was a genius and awesome but this is science fiction.


It's always science fiction until somebody pulls it off.

Tesla is a fascinating guy, and I think much of it is because we have a hard time telling the difference between ideas that came from his genius and that which was just his madness talking. And hell, sometimes it takes somebody who's just mentally unbalanced enough to actually think this crap up and then find a way to pull it off.

It reminds me of Under Siege 2, where the generals were explaining the madman who made the earthquake satellite- "Normal people don't think this stuff up."
2012-08-15 09:12:44 PM  
1 votes:
He took his shot, and they did him in.
2012-08-15 09:08:26 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


Granted a lot of of his theories were wonky but he did discover AC, invented 3-phase electricity, and radio to name a few. A lot of those came from his wonky theories. His genius wasn't in his theories per say, rather in how he used his own theories to create things that light up our modern world and wireless communications.
2012-08-15 08:46:48 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


I think he was both a lunatic and a genius. He had some brilliant ideas that are still foundations of modern technology, and he had some batshiat crazy ideas that may have been a good idea at the time.

I'm not letting a little mental illness override the good he did. At least he used his crazy for good instead of shooting up a crowd.
2012-08-15 08:43:31 PM  
1 votes:
This was at $25k when I submitted it two hours ago, the funding for this is nuts.

/subby
2012-08-15 08:39:53 PM  
1 votes:
A decent movie about Tesla, (with Orson Welles!) that somewhat accurately depicts how very odd he was socially.

The Secret of Nicola Tesla

Had his funding not been cut off by politics, today we would probably have those flying cars everyone keeps biatching about.
2012-08-15 08:36:19 PM  
1 votes:
I think most of the hero worship is simply a knee-jerk reaction after having the supposed greatness of Edison shoved down everyone's throat.

/I spent twelve years of hard time. . .
2012-08-15 08:34:47 PM  
1 votes:

vodka: Meh, people "dead before their time" usually get more recognition than they deserve.


True.
2012-08-15 08:20:49 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.
2012-08-15 08:19:44 PM  
1 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com

David Bowie's rich...maybe he can help out...
2012-08-15 08:18:19 PM  
1 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: How do quotes just break on a website?

WHAT DID YOU PEOPLE DO?


You didn't notice the new "preview" button? It's shiny. Clearly they're tinkering with stuff right now.

/donated $10
//not much, but if it keeps rising I might do the $25 option after payday
///loves me some Tesla
2012-08-15 08:17:51 PM  
1 votes:
Fark the oatmeal, their smugness, and that they stole the name of a breakfast meal.
2012-08-15 06:36:15 PM  
1 votes:
So a museum has lots of signs, right?
2012-08-15 06:18:39 PM  
1 votes:
s3.amazonaws.com

Click pic to see the whole shebang
2012-08-15 06:17:08 PM  
1 votes:
To paraphrase Adam Savage, there were basically two Teslas, the scientist and the crackpot.
 
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