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2012-08-15 11:25:27 PM
hmm, what else do most people forget ? Tesla was the first to take x-rays of his own skeleton and develop them on film. using his own device for generating x-rays without a radioactive isotope, but from vacuum tubes (like we do it today in every x-ray machine).

should I keep going ?
 
2012-08-15 11:26:55 PM

scottydoesntknow: [s3.amazonaws.com image 769x1500]

Click pic to see the whole shebang


The Oatmeal is often a great site, but often disappears up its own cavernous asshole. Suggesting that a "true geek" would turn down sex to work on an invention is...hysterically short-sighted and monumentally arrogant. The guy was likely asexual. It had as much to do with "not wanting to interfere with his experiments" as having sex "obliterates writing from my life."

/though it DOES make it more difficult
 
2012-08-15 11:27:05 PM

dbaggins: hmm, what else do most people forget ? Tesla was the first to take x-rays of his own skeleton and develop them on film. using his own device for generating x-rays without a radioactive isotope, but from vacuum tubes (like we do it today in every x-ray machine).

should I keep going ?


it's also how we're detecting lead content in paint, shoes, toys, etc...

I'm just happy that EPA has developed a plan for xray tube XRF's. Now you don't have to worry about the NRC when transporting it.
 
2012-08-15 11:28:28 PM

Wookard: Drunk History vol. 6 w/ John C. Reilly & Crispin Glover
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gOR91oentQ



Control-F "Drunk", leaving half satisfied:

HTML BIATCHES

Well worth watching. And thanks, Oatmeal.

/He fell in love with a specific pigeon.
 
2012-08-15 11:29:46 PM
This is really making progress! Way to go, internet!
 
2012-08-15 11:29:47 PM

Jormungandr: Robert1966: Capt. Sparkles: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.

Thirded. He was a talented engineer but some of the things he believed he could do seem to require a surprising ignorance of physics.

Alternating current laughs at your voting. He did invent that. We still use it. And AC motors, Arc lighting (fluorescent lights anyone?) and the ever popular Tesla coil.


Not to mention this thing called the radio. But thats just some crazy ass theory that never panned out.
 
2012-08-15 11:31:02 PM

RadicalMiddle: Owangotang: Sorry but The Oatmeal's deifying of Tesla coupled with his vilifying of Edison makes me want nothing to do with him or this. That's not history, it is a personally crafted narrative.

I think you really need to study the history. Oatmeal's description of Edison was generous. Everything they wrote was true. If you want to see the crafted narrative, look at the history of Edison that was taught to you in schools. The winner writes the history.


I don't take issue with the veracity of it, only the way it is presented. Every Tesla fact is followed by something dirty Edison did. That's all well and good but it tells me Tesla's and Edison's whole stories don't fit the narrative, which is lame.
 
2012-08-15 11:32:10 PM

IntertubeUser: Canton: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

Well, to be fair, he's part of a trinity. I think it goes something like this, but I could be mistaken.

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x754]

This thing changes all the time. For example, Chuck Norris used to be on there, but he was bumped by Batman.

/Tongue firmly in cheek.
//Off to donate.
///Slashies.

Where the boobies??? That's the biggest reason I pay for intrawebs.


They are like the Holy Mary of the interwebs. Without the virgin part.

Clearly I must work on a new diagram. But, um, later. Because procrastination is also a driving force behind web traffic. Yup...
 
2012-08-15 11:40:43 PM
I went to the site a few weeks back in East Shoreham Long Island. It's pretty interesting place. Surpised that the at least the laboratory section was at least intact.
 
2012-08-15 11:45:10 PM
The Oatmeal post is awesome, cubed
 
2012-08-15 11:50:25 PM
Oh god, not the Tesla myth people again. Look, he was a decent inventor who never capitalized on his inventions. We clear?
 
2012-08-15 11:54:45 PM

JosephFinn: Oh god, not the Tesla myth people again. Look, he was a decent inventor who never capitalized on his inventions. We clear?


decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

you want to give it a try?


He was not a good business man, but he was the best inventor we have ever had.
 
2012-08-15 11:58:32 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: For a mere $500,000 more we'll throw in the Wilhelm Reich Orgone wing!


Redundant. Granted, a WRO down there would be more easily accessible to the general public, but Reich's own property is already a museum.

Link

It's quite pretty up there, and worth a visit even if you don't buy into his theories. And I'm still kicking myself for not having checked yard sale listings that weekend they actually had a yard sale at Orgonon.
 
2012-08-16 12:00:53 AM

dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.


Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....
 
2012-08-16 12:03:56 AM
I gave $10. I wish it could be more, but I have faith in the power of the internet.
 
2012-08-16 12:09:50 AM

Jormungandr: Alternating current laughs at your voting. He did invent that.


Guillaume Duchenne, Ganz Works, Sebastian Ziani de Ferranti, Lucien Gaulard, Galileo Ferraris and Michael Faraday would like a word...


Though Tesla made it worth something.
 
2012-08-16 12:14:15 AM

JosephFinn: Oh god, not the Tesla myth people again. Look, he was a decent inventor who never capitalized on his inventions. We clear?


Well if capitalization is the measure of an inventor's worth, maybe we should be building a museum to Ron Popeil or Billy Mays instead.
 
2012-08-16 12:16:01 AM

JosephFinn: Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....


Edison: never invented a thing. nothing. He ran a very productive company filled with inventors, but invented nothing himself. He WAS one of america's greatest CEOs. I give him that credit.

DaVinci I agree. He was better.

Galileo, no. I don't agree. Galileo was a better scientist and artist than inventor. Your invention has to actually work. Tesla's devices work, he just never coupled it with any business sense. I know I'm going to get a big argument on this one.

Jansen made great optics. that required some inventions, but you are really talking about craftsmanship.

and again, the last two are one or two note geniuses.


I don't think the creation of the ozone hole is a great achievement in today's light, but freon refrigeration is a nice advancement. but Midgley didn't invent refrigeration. Midgley is not in even the same category as Tesla.
 
2012-08-16 12:26:26 AM
I would like there to be one of these Tesla Museums you speak of, but wouldnt my donation be better served helping the human trafficing lemonade stand a few threads up?

Dont you think Tesla would have preferred people not be enslaved to having a museum?
 
2012-08-16 12:28:50 AM
The Oatmeal, huh? So I'm guessing 80% of this Tesla museum will be devoted to Why Thomas Edison Was Evil and Bad and Hardly Ever Wrote His Mom exhibits.

Wahhhh, I'm a Tesla fanboy because the Internet says it's cool.
 
2012-08-16 12:29:47 AM

AntonChigger: Frankly, if anyone could ever make wireless power work it would be Tesla, though I'm pretty sure in the last few decades some small advances have been made in this area


It can be made to work. Just on a massive scale, it means saying good bye to radio communications, basically.
 
2012-08-16 12:30:06 AM

tomcatadam: Capt. Sparkles: I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.

I look at it the other way. We need MORE hero worship of scientists and engineers. Make them big, make them figures that kids or just people want to be, want to be like.
Sad that it's more of a bandwagon/fad thing, but it's better than nothing.

Keyser_Soze_Death: Had his funding not been cut off by politics, today we would probably have those flying cars everyone keeps biatching about.

That would be terrifying.


Yeah, I guess I can see where you're coming from here. I guess a better way to put it would be that I'm just sick of hearing about Tesla. How about bringing somebody else up out of the grave that history just completely glazed over?
 
2012-08-16 12:32:47 AM

JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....


Hero of Alexandria
Having a functioning steam engine in 50 AD is nothing to sneeze at.
 
2012-08-16 12:41:02 AM

This text is now purple: Hero of Alexandria
Having a functioning steam engine in 50 AD is nothing to sneeze at.


that is sort of like Tesla. "here, I built something that can change the world. It works. I actually built it and it runs and I'll show anyone. Here is a really detailed drawing of it too" and then everyone around you figures it is better to stick with what we already know. Newcomen and James Watt had to reinvent it without any knowledge of this earlier device.
 
2012-08-16 12:44:15 AM

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


Go over to your washing machine, grab an axe, chop the washer open, and remove the induction motor from said appliance. You are hereby banned from using this tech ever again.
 
2012-08-16 12:46:04 AM

dbaggins: constant toque at all speeds and no losses. ta da


Needs no constant toque...

encrypted-tbn1.google.com
 
2012-08-16 12:46:42 AM

This text is now purple: JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....

Hero of Alexandria
Having a functioning steam engine in 50 AD is nothing to sneeze at.


Aren't you guys forgetting Archimedes?

Greek Fire, giant ass magnifier to fry attackers, worm drive (not warp, worm) a.k.a. Archimedes' Screw, the Claw of Archimedes, spirals, spheres, balloons, etc.

MOTHERfarkING ARCHIMEDES!!!
 
2012-08-16 12:50:30 AM

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


It's not technically about Tesla. It's a cultural meme. It's "us" and our culture vs "them" and their culture. "They" have screwed things up, deified Edison, shunted Tesla to the dustbin of history, pushed down inventors and crazies and made us eat peas. "We" are growing in power and we have the ability to set the world in our image and reverse what "they" have done, because naturally it's all wrong and we can do a better job. Tesla is, in effect, our mascot, or figurehead. Justice for Tesla is a blow against the establishment and a raising of our flag.

Anyhow, Tesla was pretty amazing. The A/C motor is still one of those brilliant inventions that kind of comes out of nowhere. And when he got older, he was pretty crazy. I still think a museum would be lots of fun. I like museums a lot.
 
2012-08-16 12:57:51 AM

Aidan:
Anyhow, Tesla was pretty amazing. The A/C motor is still one of those brilliant inventions that kind of comes out of nowhere. And when he got older, he was pretty crazy. I still think a museum would be lots of fun. I like museums a lot.


Yeah, I just don't like the Oatmeal :P
 
2012-08-16 01:01:56 AM
I will donate ONLY if they promise to rebuild Wardenclyffe Tower to Tesla's original specifications and crank that baby up to full power.

/FULL POWAH!
//MWAHHHAHAHAAAA!!
 
2012-08-16 01:15:12 AM

katfairy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: For a mere $500,000 more we'll throw in the Wilhelm Reich Orgone wing!

Redundant. Granted, a WRO down there would be more easily accessible to the general public, but Reich's own property is already a museum.

Link

It's quite pretty up there, and worth a visit even if you don't buy into his theories. And I'm still kicking myself for not having checked yard sale listings that weekend they actually had a yard sale at Orgonon.


Actually, I've always wanted to build a cloudbuster, just to see for myself. I've found instructions online, and they're not that difficult to make. My sister's ex used to run Borderlands Sciences Research Foundation Link , and so I'm familiar with a lot of Reich's research. Trevor Constable has done a lot of credible work in cloudbusting. I dunno if it's hokum or just repressed science, but I'm curious enough to find out.
 
2012-08-16 01:20:50 AM

Hand Banana: He did some cool things, but the whole wireless electricity thing was totally stupid.


See, this is exactly why we need a Tesla museum. We have people in this thread commenting about how Tesla was a loon and half his ideas didn't work, not knowing that at least some of those ideas do work even if we went through a long period of no one understanding them. Wireless power transmission for things like lighting a light bulb were absolutely not a big a deal in the early 1900s...40 years later and most people on the street would call you crazy for suggesting it. This thread makes it obvious that even today people aren't aware of it, despite a NASA high power demonstration conducted in 1975 and a video of said demonstration up on youtube. 

Maybe if this knowledge was more common we'd get start working on the steps needed for space based power generation and transmission to Earth, which, ironically enough, would effectively be "power from the air, enough for everyone", exactly like Tesla said.
 
2012-08-16 01:28:38 AM

dbaggins: Edison: never invented a thing.


Why do people believe this? He invented lots of stuff, such as the stock ticker and an electric vote recorder when he was a very young man. This was well before he "ran a very productive company filled with inventors."

Of course he invented things. He invented a phonograph that could both record and then produce the sounds.
 
2012-08-16 01:30:55 AM

Dr.Fey: dbaggins: Edison: never invented a thing.

Why do people believe this? He invented lots of stuff, such as the stock ticker and an electric vote recorder when he was a very young man. This was well before he "ran a very productive company filled with inventors."

Of course he invented things. He invented a phonograph that could both record and then produce the sounds.


Its more fun to spout on about how everything you were taught in school was wrong because some guy on the internet told me something different.

/ Hell, its my favorite hobby.
 
2012-08-16 01:34:11 AM

Fragarach: . This thread makes it obvious that even today people aren't aware of it, despite a NASA high power demonstration conducted in 1975 and a video of said demonstration up on youtube.

Maybe if this knowledge was more common we'd get start working on the steps needed for space based power generation and transmission to Earth, which, ironically enough, would effectively be "power from the air, enough for everyone", exactly like Tesla said.


What happens when a bird flys into the signal?
 
2012-08-16 01:35:51 AM

I sound fat: Its more fun to spout on about how everything you were taught in school was wrong because some guy on the internet told me something different.

/ Hell, its my favorite hobby.


And that's the problem with most "rebellious" "liberal" people. They're just exchanging one poison for another just because it's DIFFERENT!!!!!
Those are the same bozos that buy into the Mac bullshiat while getting scalped for things they could buy at 1/3 the price.

I'm as iconoclast as the next guy, but jeez people CRITICAL THINKING is what we need, not a new fashion of fanaticism.
 
2012-08-16 01:39:04 AM
There you go Farkers. You just donated a bunch a few minutes ago. (Took a minute to read the site some more.)

I didn't read the thread or all the gibberish. I'm just a huge fan of Tesla and am a fan of you jackasses here on Fark. I don't need any of the crap that goes with it.
 
2012-08-16 01:39:09 AM
Tesla was a genius. Unfortunately like many geniuses he was completely insane. To not like someone because others like them is retarded.

If you do anything with electricity you should appreciate the foundation that Tesla made, you don't have to love the guy, but he certainly deserves a significant amount of credit, something that he often times does not receive.
 
2012-08-16 01:39:12 AM

This text is now purple: JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....

Hero of Alexandria
Having a functioning steam engine in 50 AD is nothing to sneeze at.


He invented no such thing, because 1) the Aeolipile was described by Vitruvian several decades before Hero's birth, and possibly by Ctesibus before that, and 2) it was not an engine except in the most technical sense. There's basically no way to get a useful amount of work out of it.
 
2012-08-16 01:41:26 AM

Aidan: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

It's not technically about Tesla. It's a cultural meme. It's "us" and our culture vs "them" and their culture. "They" have screwed things up, deified Edison, shunted Tesla to the dustbin of history, pushed down inventors and crazies and made us eat peas. "We" are growing in power and we have the ability to set the world in our image and reverse what "they" have done, because naturally it's all wrong and we can do a better job. Tesla is, in effect, our mascot, or figurehead. Justice for Tesla is a blow against the establishment and a raising of our flag.

Anyhow, Tesla was pretty amazing. The A/C motor is still one of those brilliant inventions that kind of comes out of nowhere. And when he got older, he was pretty crazy. I still think a museum would be lots of fun. I like museums a lot.


I like peas. I like Tesla. How can I reconcile these two facts?
 
2012-08-16 01:42:14 AM

Hand Banana: He did some cool things, but the whole wireless electricity thing was totally stupid.


Which is why there are forms of it being used today and others continue to be developed.
 
2012-08-16 01:47:06 AM
 
2012-08-16 01:50:27 AM

vodka: Meh, people "dead before their time" usually get more recognition than they deserve. Given enough time he probably would have been running around with cats in his pants.


And pretty much this. Tesla was awesome.

He was also insane but, after Edison, Marconi, and Westinghouse who could blame him?
 
2012-08-16 02:10:46 AM

JosephFinn: Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....


Seriously, you chide Tesla for not capitalizing on his inventions, and you cite the guy that drew up plans for flying machines and siege warfare weapons that were completely impractical?
 
2012-08-16 02:20:52 AM
I'm in for $100
 
2012-08-16 02:23:19 AM
You know, a lot of the time the power of the Internet is used for evil. And then something awesome like this comes along and I'm glad to be a part of this wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Will be donating soon as I'm on a capable desktop.
 
2012-08-16 02:38:25 AM

UndeadPoetsSociety: This text is now purple: JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....

Hero of Alexandria
Having a functioning steam engine in 50 AD is nothing to sneeze at.

He invented no such thing, because 1) the Aeolipile was described by Vitruvian several decades before Hero's birth, and possibly by Ctesibus before that, and 2) it was not an engine except in the most technical sense. There's basically no way to get a useful amount of work out of it.


True, the Aeolipile as described was woefully inefficient, but it was a start, combustion to motion, thats the foundation of pretty much everything. It easily could have been refined. They already had very complex machinery that could have been driven by it. Im trying to remember the documentary series, they all kind of blend together, but i remember one, it talked about the aeolipile, and then there was a segment on ancient greek stage craft that included some ridiculously complex set machinery that was mostly hand run. Watching it im thinking... one little inspiration and someone could think to hook an aeolipile up to all that. I think it was episode 103 of Ancient Discoveries. This shorter segment is from another episode but talks about the same basic stuff. The ancient greeks had all the pieces of an internal combustion engine, just nobody had thought to put them together.
 
2012-08-16 02:39:19 AM

Wookard: the Tesla Monument inaguration in Niagara Falls


photos4.meetupstatic.com

Meh

Needs moar crackling electricity
 
2012-08-16 02:55:58 AM

JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....


Well, I would've started with the Muslims and the Greeks, but yeah.
 
2012-08-16 03:23:22 AM
No i am *not* going to donate, for the last time!!!
 
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