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2012-08-15 06:12:17 PM  
Oh yeah, he was a great man. Here is a picture of his death ray.

lanternhollow.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-15 06:17:08 PM  
To paraphrase Adam Savage, there were basically two Teslas, the scientist and the crackpot.
 
2012-08-15 06:18:39 PM  
s3.amazonaws.com

Click pic to see the whole shebang
 
2012-08-15 06:25:44 PM  
Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.
 
2012-08-15 06:28:51 PM  
I'm sure JP Morgan and GE will be their usual philanthropic saint selves and help out with this.
 
2012-08-15 06:29:38 PM  
GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

You shut your whore mouth. You shut it RIGHT NOW
 
2012-08-15 06:36:15 PM  
So a museum has lots of signs, right?
 
2012-08-15 06:40:04 PM  
He's not going to sleep with you, Oatmeal.
 
2012-08-15 06:41:48 PM  
Sgygus: He's not going to sleep with you, Oatmeal.

To be fair, he wouldn't sleep with anyone (Tesla, not the Oatmeal guy).

/And for some reason, I can't quote right now
 
2012-08-15 07:22:23 PM  
How do quotes just break on a website?

WHAT DID YOU PEOPLE DO?
 
2012-08-15 08:17:51 PM  
Fark the oatmeal, their smugness, and that they stole the name of a breakfast meal.
 
2012-08-15 08:18:18 PM  

revrendjim: So a museum has lots of signs, right?


and 5 men with acoustic guitars.
 
2012-08-15 08:18:19 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: How do quotes just break on a website?

WHAT DID YOU PEOPLE DO?


You didn't notice the new "preview" button? It's shiny. Clearly they're tinkering with stuff right now.

/donated $10
//not much, but if it keeps rising I might do the $25 option after payday
///loves me some Tesla
 
2012-08-15 08:18:58 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Quote is totally broken.


Not anymore!

SEE
 
2012-08-15 08:19:20 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: How do quotes just break on a website?


According to his Facebook, Drew is at the bar. So that could explain things.
 
2012-08-15 08:19:44 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

David Bowie's rich...maybe he can help out...
 
2012-08-15 08:20:49 PM  

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.
 
2012-08-15 08:22:06 PM  

DeltaPunch: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Quote is totally broken.

Not anymore!

SEE


Yeah, I'm not sure what people are complaining about. Quotes have not stopped working for me.

/Perhaps TheBeastOfYuccaFlats is using IE6?
 
2012-08-15 08:23:25 PM  
I refuse to support this museum unless it is an exact replica of the workshop and creepy mountain retreat of Tesla featured in the famed documentary, The Prestige.

/Top hats as far as the eye can see
//and cats and lightbulbs
///they all said I was crazy......
////that I had too many slashies.......
//SLASHIES!!!!1
 
2012-08-15 08:24:00 PM  
Ehh - tried it earlier myself and lost an entire post using quote. Just plain old disappeared out of Fark like it was never made. Firefox latest so... yeah. Something at least earlier this morning was not working properly at all at all.
 
2012-08-15 08:25:21 PM  
I contributed in memory of the Topsy, the elephant Thomas Edison electrocuted.

Asshole *

/ * OK mostly Edison was not an asshole but fark you Edison for electrocuting Topsy
 
2012-08-15 08:25:46 PM  
So the Oatmeal is part of a team that will own the Tesla Museum?
 
2012-08-15 08:26:43 PM  

Capt. Sparkles: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.


Thirded. He was a talented engineer but some of the things he believed he could do seem to require a surprising ignorance of physics.
 
2012-08-15 08:27:12 PM  
OK can we please stop with the "Tesla was going to build a moderately tall tower that would somehow supply the state/country/world with free wireless power" crap? Tesla was a genius and awesome but this is science fiction.
 
2012-08-15 08:28:44 PM  
Chipped in $10; I've spent that on stupider things, I suppose.
 
2012-08-15 08:29:12 PM  
www.forthemommas.com
 
2012-08-15 08:29:19 PM  
Meh, people "dead before their time" usually get more recognition than they deserve. Given enough time he probably would have been running around with cats in his pants.
 
2012-08-15 08:30:24 PM  

jaytkay: I contributed in memory of the Topsy, the elephant Thomas Edison electrocuted.

Asshole *

/ * OK mostly Edison was not an asshole but fark you Edison for electrocuting Topsy


He didn't electrocute the elephant -- he Westinghoused it.
 
2012-08-15 08:31:34 PM  

Robert1966: Capt. Sparkles: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.

Thirded. He was a talented engineer but some of the things he believed he could do seem to require a surprising ignorance of physics.


If they can be made to work, then he is actually a genius. But theories that can't be made to work does not make someone a genius.
 
2012-08-15 08:31:50 PM  
Love will find a way.
 
2012-08-15 08:32:43 PM  

jayhawk88: Tesla was a genius and awesome but this is science fiction.


But, maaaan.... it's like, all part of the conspiracy, maaaaan... the maaaaan wants you to, like, think it's just science fiction, maaaan... 'cause if we all had free energy, we could free our minds, maaaan...
 
2012-08-15 08:33:37 PM  
Indiegogo at 106k already. This will be awesome! Go internet!
 
2012-08-15 08:34:47 PM  

vodka: Meh, people "dead before their time" usually get more recognition than they deserve.


True.
 
2012-08-15 08:35:20 PM  

MrEricSir: vodka: Meh, people "dead before their time" usually get more recognition than they deserve.

True.


WIN!
 
2012-08-15 08:35:51 PM  

jayhawk88: OK can we please stop with the "Tesla was going to build a moderately tall tower that would somehow supply the state/country/world with free wireless power" crap? Tesla was a genius and awesome but this is science fiction.


Does anybody actually believe that? I think mostly people like to promote him because he is an under-rated compared to Edison.

/ Edison had the technical PLUS business PLUS self-promotion skills I think is the difference
 
2012-08-15 08:36:15 PM  
img191.imageshack.us
It's ELECTRIFYING!!!
 
2012-08-15 08:36:19 PM  
I think most of the hero worship is simply a knee-jerk reaction after having the supposed greatness of Edison shoved down everyone's throat.

/I spent twelve years of hard time. . .
 
2012-08-15 08:39:53 PM  
A decent movie about Tesla, (with Orson Welles!) that somewhat accurately depicts how very odd he was socially.

The Secret of Nicola Tesla

Had his funding not been cut off by politics, today we would probably have those flying cars everyone keeps biatching about.
 
2012-08-15 08:40:04 PM  

GreenAdder: To paraphrase Adam Savage, there were basically two Teslas, the scientist and the crackpot.


Yes, and exactly the same thing can be said of Isaac Newton. He spent huge amounts of time on real tinfoil hat stuff.....astrology, pyramid crap, etc., but along the way he managed to do all that gravity and calculus stuff, invented the reflecting telescope, etc.

Moral: If you're brilliant enough, you probably look like a loony in some ways to the rest of us.
 
2012-08-15 08:41:05 PM  

Robert1966: Capt. Sparkles: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.

Thirded. He was a talented engineer but some of the things he believed he could do seem to require a surprising ignorance of physics.


Alternating current laughs at your voting. He did invent that. We still use it. And AC motors, Arc lighting (fluorescent lights anyone?) and the ever popular Tesla coil.
 
2012-08-15 08:41:48 PM  
I don't get the The Oatmeal hate. WTF guys? The contrarian-for-the-sake-of-being-contrarian shiat is an old schtick.

And I think that this is a damned good cause. If you're an American, you live in a country with some really silly museums already in it. I don't see how a Tesla museum would be anything less than awesome.
 
2012-08-15 08:42:47 PM  
I always wanted to make a terrible Tesla coverband and call it "Edison".

/bow
 
2012-08-15 08:42:55 PM  
let's see how much the Edison Estate contributes. if i recall correctly there were some discrepancies in back pay.
 
2012-08-15 08:43:31 PM  
This was at $25k when I submitted it two hours ago, the funding for this is nuts.

/subby
 
2012-08-15 08:43:37 PM  
Everyone's opinions on Tesla aside, I'd rather see the space become a science museum than a shopping center. Science museums are just so much cooler.
 
2012-08-15 08:45:07 PM  
3 hours.

/typo
 
2012-08-15 08:45:43 PM  
I know some girls who need to contribute.

Tesla Girls
 
2012-08-15 08:46:35 PM  
Clicked for creating lightning in my microwave.

/ have to go back to aluminium foil chips
// slashies means I really did think before posting
/// amidoingthisright
//// sigh
 
2012-08-15 08:46:41 PM  

Keyser_Soze_Death: A decent movie about Tesla, (with Orson Welles!) that somewhat accurately depicts how very odd he was socially.

The Secret of Nicola Tesla

Had his funding not been cut off by politics, today we would probably have those flying cars everyone keeps biatching about.


And power armor.
 
2012-08-15 08:46:48 PM  

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


I think he was both a lunatic and a genius. He had some brilliant ideas that are still foundations of modern technology, and he had some batshiat crazy ideas that may have been a good idea at the time.

I'm not letting a little mental illness override the good he did. At least he used his crazy for good instead of shooting up a crowd.
 
2012-08-15 08:49:41 PM  
"The Oatmeal is at it again"

What?

Paying for traffic?
 
2012-08-15 08:53:37 PM  

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?


Tesla WAS a farking genius. But horrible at business and by all accounts - a complete asshole. He was his own worse enemy.
 
2012-08-15 08:59:56 PM  

IntertubeUser: I don't get the The Oatmeal hate. WTF guys? The contrarian-for-the-sake-of-being-contrarian shiat is an old schtick.

And I think that this is a damned good cause. If you're an American, you live in a country with some really silly museums already in it. I don't see how a Tesla museum would be anything less than awesome.


Yup, certainly looks like a few Creationist Museum founders are posting here tonight.
 
2012-08-15 09:03:11 PM  

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


He was a crazy, loner, virgin, whose greatness was completely lost on his contemporaries. You can sort of see why the Internet might take a shine to him?
 
2012-08-15 09:08:26 PM  

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


Granted a lot of of his theories were wonky but he did discover AC, invented 3-phase electricity, and radio to name a few. A lot of those came from his wonky theories. His genius wasn't in his theories per say, rather in how he used his own theories to create things that light up our modern world and wireless communications.
 
2012-08-15 09:12:44 PM  
He took his shot, and they did him in.
 
2012-08-15 09:12:53 PM  
Hell, yeah I donated. It's about time his legacy got recognized!

/Fark you and your electrocution of animals, Edison
 
2012-08-15 09:16:22 PM  

phimuskapsi: Indiegogo at 106k already. This will be awesome! Go internet!


$133k now.
 
2012-08-15 09:17:38 PM  
I have a friend who's conspiracy-oriented (to put it nicely) and he's cetain that the US govt has reams of paper containing the schematics for all kinds of miraculous inventions but of course they're holding them all back because of the oil companies and so on.

/annoying
 
2012-08-15 09:18:21 PM  

jayhawk88: OK can we please stop with the "Tesla was going to build a moderately tall tower that would somehow supply the state/country/world with free wireless power" crap? Tesla was a genius and awesome but this is science fiction.


It's always science fiction until somebody pulls it off.

Tesla is a fascinating guy, and I think much of it is because we have a hard time telling the difference between ideas that came from his genius and that which was just his madness talking. And hell, sometimes it takes somebody who's just mentally unbalanced enough to actually think this crap up and then find a way to pull it off.

It reminds me of Under Siege 2, where the generals were explaining the madman who made the earthquake satellite- "Normal people don't think this stuff up."
 
2012-08-15 09:22:01 PM  
Yeah, so it appears they drug in over thirty grand in an hour or so. Every time I refresh the counter jumps about a thousand bucks.

www.theringlord.org
 
2012-08-15 09:22:45 PM  
Carreon climbing out from under a rock in 3... 2... ?
 
2012-08-15 09:31:39 PM  

Crude: Love will find a way.


If you want it to

/If you need me, I'll be eating at Chez Nous
 
2012-08-15 09:33:19 PM  

Robert1966: Thirded. He was a talented engineer but some of the things he believed he could do seem to require a surprising ignorance of physics.


In an era when the whole science of electricity was new, he seems to be no worse at his craft than a lot of the other inventors. He learned by doing, and made some real discoveries.

Remember Arthur C. Clarke's quote: "Any sufficiently-advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
 
2012-08-15 09:35:29 PM  

plumbicon: Robert1966: Thirded. He was a talented engineer but some of the things he believed he could do seem to require a surprising ignorance of physics.

In an era when the whole science of electricity was new, he seems to be no worse at his craft than a lot of the other inventors. He learned by doing, and made some real discoveries.

Remember Arthur C. Clarke's quote: "Any sufficiently-advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."


I much prefer Greg Bear's corollary: "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."


/Yay, science!
//Donated. If we can get forgiveness for Galileo, we can get recognition for Tesla
 
2012-08-15 09:37:44 PM  

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


Well, to be fair, he's part of a trinity. I think it goes something like this, but I could be mistaken.

i46.tinypic.com

This thing changes all the time. For example, Chuck Norris used to be on there, but he was bumped by Batman.

/Tongue firmly in cheek.
//Off to donate.
///Slashies.
 
2012-08-15 09:43:02 PM  
$150K in six hours?

Screw SuperPACS, I want this guy.

He could create "Operation: F It, I'm Not Gonna Lie To You, I'm Totally Stealing It All And Blowing It All On Beer And Hookers" and have six figures by the end of the day.
 
2012-08-15 09:46:16 PM  
Seen $20,000 put towards this since posting half an hour ago. Once I get some free cash I'll be picking up a shirt package; this needs to happen.
 
2012-08-15 09:48:20 PM  
They should ask the company that has profited the most off of Tesla, Spencer Gifts.

mstatic.mit.edu
 
2012-08-15 09:50:00 PM  
I don't like The Oatmeal that much, but this seems like a great idea.
I really hope it's kept as-is as a monument to that giant of a man.
 
2012-08-15 09:52:41 PM  
This video should be required viewing at all schools across the world.
I have zero luck getting links to work, sorry in advance...

Drunk History vol. 6 w/ John C. Reilly & Crispin Glover
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gOR91oentQ



A company I used to work with actually helped setup the video feed for the Tesla Monument inaguration in Niagara Falls on the Canadian side many moons ago. Most of it is in Serbian however a good amount is in English. It was one heck of a nice day and it is an amazing monument to see in person!

Tesla Monument at Niagara Falls - I - 09.07.2006. Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyJlUH7Nd0A

Tesla Monument at Niagara Falls - II - 09.07.2006. Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAhREKRMwZc

Tesla Monument at Niagara Falls - III - 09.07.2006. Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjPE-DBYWQQ

Tesla Monument at Niagara Falls - IV - 09.07.2006. Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFmOdHqu-lc
 
2012-08-15 09:54:16 PM  

Canton: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

Well, to be fair, he's part of a trinity. I think it goes something like this, but I could be mistaken.

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x754]

This thing changes all the time. For example, Chuck Norris used to be on there, but he was bumped by Batman.

/Tongue firmly in cheek.
//Off to donate.
///Slashies.


Needs more porn.
 
2012-08-15 09:54:57 PM  
Tesla worshiping is like Bacon worshiping. It was cool when we were doing it 10 years ago, but now every schmuck who wants to feel smart and quirky namedrops Tesla and Bacon. fark that shiat. farking fads. I hate fads.
 
2012-08-15 09:57:44 PM  

thisispete: Canton: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

Well, to be fair, he's part of a trinity. I think it goes something like this, but I could be mistaken.

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x754]

This thing changes all the time. For example, Chuck Norris used to be on there, but he was bumped by Batman.

/Tongue firmly in cheek.
//Off to donate.
///Slashies.

Needs more porn.


Porn's part of the Holy Internet Communion. (So are cats, but that's usually a separate ritual.)

/Gotta fit both in there somehow.
 
2012-08-15 09:59:39 PM  
I guess this will make up for my love of Chick Fil A. Get bent Oatmeal. I will help to build a Tesla museum though, I guess.
 
2012-08-15 10:02:44 PM  

rocky_howard: Tesla worshiping is like Bacon worshiping. It was cool when we were doing it 10 years ago, but now every schmuck who wants to feel smart and quirky namedrops Tesla and Bacon. fark that shiat. farking fads. I hate fads.


The cool kids have moved onto Buckminster Fuller?
 
2012-08-15 10:03:41 PM  
"J.P. Morgan, you there? One hundred years ago you believed in Tesla and backed him financially. Honor his legacy and help him out again!"

"Backed him financially?"... more like "stabbed him the back". Come on Oatmeal, do a little research about the man's life before you give one of his greatest nemeses credit for helping him...
 
2012-08-15 10:03:50 PM  

revrendjim: So a museum has lots of signs, right?


i235.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-15 10:04:53 PM  

Strix occidentalis: Everyone's opinions on Tesla aside, I'd rather see the space become a science museum than a shopping center. Science museums are just so much cooler.


This times a million.
 
2012-08-15 10:06:27 PM  

Gabrielmot: "J.P. Morgan, you there? One hundred years ago you believed in Tesla and backed him financially. Honor his legacy and help him out again!"

"Backed him financially?"... more like "stabbed him the back". Come on Oatmeal, do a little research about the man's life before you give one of his greatest nemeses credit for helping him...


He's not lying, and neither are you. J.P. Morgan did give Tesla funding, but he also loved his money, so when Tesla's ideas became really expensive he refused to write him a blank check, even though he probably could have afforded it. Frankly, if anyone could ever make wireless power work it would be Tesla, though I'm pretty sure in the last few decades some small advances have been made in this area

/I know, citation needed
 
2012-08-15 10:08:43 PM  

Gabrielmot: "J.P. Morgan, you there? One hundred years ago you believed in Tesla and backed him financially. Honor his legacy and help him out again!"

"Backed him financially?"... more like "stabbed him the back". Come on Oatmeal, do a little research about the man's life before you give one of his greatest nemeses credit for helping him...


Saying "Stabbed him in the back" isn't going to get them to want to donate.
 
2012-08-15 10:11:52 PM  
media.giantbomb.com
 
2012-08-15 10:13:32 PM  
As much grief as the damned towers caused me in Red Alert and you want me to donate?

zzzzZZZZZ... fark .... POW!
 
2012-08-15 10:20:52 PM  

AntonChigger: Gabrielmot: "J.P. Morgan, you there? One hundred years ago you believed in Tesla and backed him financially. Honor his legacy and help him out again!"

"Backed him financially?"... more like "stabbed him the back". Come on Oatmeal, do a little research about the man's life before you give one of his greatest nemeses credit for helping him...

He's not lying, and neither are you. J.P. Morgan did give Tesla funding, but he also loved his money, so when Tesla's ideas became really expensive he refused to write him a blank check, even though he probably could have afforded it. Frankly, if anyone could ever make wireless power work it would be Tesla, though I'm pretty sure in the last few decades some small advances have been made in this area

/I know, citation needed


I think the Wiki take on it is probably more accurate. Morgan gave them money for experiments, and when the wireless electricity thing was thought to threaten Morgan's monopoly on copper electric lines, they killed the funding AND advised other investors to stay away.
 
2012-08-15 10:24:01 PM  
For a mere $500,000 more we'll throw in the Wilhelm Reich Orgone wing!
 
2012-08-15 10:25:10 PM  
My boyfriend will be enjoying a nice new shirt and I just got a sweet bumper sticker.
 
2012-08-15 10:38:38 PM  
He did some cool things, but the whole wireless electricity thing was totally stupid.
 
2012-08-15 10:41:16 PM  

Hand Banana: He did some cool things, but the whole wireless electricity thing was totally stupid.


YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!

Now please, explain why it was stupid.
 
2012-08-15 10:42:07 PM  

Canton: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

Well, to be fair, he's part of a trinity. I think it goes something like this, but I could be mistaken.

[i46.tinypic.com image 850x754]

This thing changes all the time. For example, Chuck Norris used to be on there, but he was bumped by Batman.

/Tongue firmly in cheek.
//Off to donate.
///Slashies.


Where the boobies??? That's the biggest reason I pay for intrawebs.
 
2012-08-15 10:42:24 PM  

Jormungandr: Robert1966: Capt. Sparkles: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.

Thirded. He was a talented engineer but some of the things he believed he could do seem to require a surprising ignorance of physics.

Alternating current laughs at your voting. He did invent that. We still use it. And AC motors, Arc lighting (fluorescent lights anyone?) and the ever popular Tesla coil.


What's the Tesla version of Poe's Law? Cause I'm going to claim that for this post.
 
2012-08-15 10:46:59 PM  

Capt. Sparkles: I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.


I look at it the other way. We need MORE hero worship of scientists and engineers. Make them big, make them figures that kids or just people want to be, want to be like.
Sad that it's more of a bandwagon/fad thing, but it's better than nothing.

Keyser_Soze_Death: Had his funding not been cut off by politics, today we would probably have those flying cars everyone keeps biatching about.


That would be terrifying.
 
2012-08-15 10:51:40 PM  
The internet has always had a thing for misunderstood underdogs.
 
2012-08-15 10:59:08 PM  

tomcatadam: Keyser_Soze_Death: Had his funding not been cut off by politics, today we would probably have those flying cars everyone keeps biatching about.

That would be terrifyingly awesome.


FTFM
 
2012-08-15 11:01:41 PM  

tomcatadam: I look at it the other way. We need MORE hero worship of scientists and engineers. Make them big, make them figures that kids or just people want to be, want to be like.
Sad that it's more of a bandwagon/fad thing, but it's better than nothing.


i47.tinypic.com

In an age where being an intellectual will get you looked down upon more often then not (look no further than the political arena for this), putting a scientist up on the pedestal he deserves is something we NEED now. We NEED to hold our intellectuals and inventors and crazy smart people up, and encourage young people to be like them. We NEED more innovators and rule breakers and more crazy science.
 
2012-08-15 11:02:17 PM  
Sorry but The Oatmeal's deifying of Tesla coupled with his vilifying of Edison makes me want nothing to do with him or this. That's not history, it is a personally crafted narrative.
 
2012-08-15 11:08:51 PM  
i46.tinypic.com

cdn.uproxx.com
 
2012-08-15 11:18:14 PM  
most people are entirely ignorant of all of Tesla's actually working inventions


the AC electric generator

the three-phase induction motor (the motor in every factory on earth)

the AC transformer (walk out to your street, follow the humming sound)

the AC/DC rectifier , and for kicks, also the inverter.

oh, and thanks to solid-state inverters you now get....electric cars that use the 3-phase induction motor, with constant toque at all speeds and no losses. ta da
 
2012-08-15 11:19:19 PM  
For some really wacko reading about Tesla, here is a link suggesting that George H W Bush tried to run Tesla down with his car. Or something like that.
NAZI BUSH ATTACKED TESLA

/will be hiding in my bunker where I cannot be touched by reasonable people
 
2012-08-15 11:20:16 PM  

Ringshadow: tomcatadam: I look at it the other way. We need MORE hero worship of scientists and engineers. Make them big, make them figures that kids or just people want to be, want to be like.
Sad that it's more of a bandwagon/fad thing, but it's better than nothing.

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In an age where being an intellectual will get you looked down upon more often then not (look no further than the political arena for this), putting a scientist up on the pedestal he deserves is something we NEED now. We NEED to hold our intellectuals and inventors and crazy smart people up, and encourage young people to be like them. We NEED more innovators and rule breakers and more crazy science.


THIS. We need more of sweet scientific craziness that produced things like the Curiosity sky crane.
 
2012-08-15 11:22:04 PM  

Owangotang: Sorry but The Oatmeal's deifying of Tesla coupled with his vilifying of Edison makes me want nothing to do with him or this. That's not history, it is a personally crafted narrative.


I think you really need to study the history. Oatmeal's description of Edison was generous. Everything they wrote was true. If you want to see the crafted narrative, look at the history of Edison that was taught to you in schools. The winner writes the history.
 
2012-08-15 11:25:27 PM  
hmm, what else do most people forget ? Tesla was the first to take x-rays of his own skeleton and develop them on film. using his own device for generating x-rays without a radioactive isotope, but from vacuum tubes (like we do it today in every x-ray machine).

should I keep going ?
 
2012-08-15 11:26:55 PM  

scottydoesntknow: [s3.amazonaws.com image 769x1500]

Click pic to see the whole shebang


The Oatmeal is often a great site, but often disappears up its own cavernous asshole. Suggesting that a "true geek" would turn down sex to work on an invention is...hysterically short-sighted and monumentally arrogant. The guy was likely asexual. It had as much to do with "not wanting to interfere with his experiments" as having sex "obliterates writing from my life."

/though it DOES make it more difficult
 
2012-08-15 11:27:05 PM  

dbaggins: hmm, what else do most people forget ? Tesla was the first to take x-rays of his own skeleton and develop them on film. using his own device for generating x-rays without a radioactive isotope, but from vacuum tubes (like we do it today in every x-ray machine).

should I keep going ?


it's also how we're detecting lead content in paint, shoes, toys, etc...

I'm just happy that EPA has developed a plan for xray tube XRF's. Now you don't have to worry about the NRC when transporting it.
 
2012-08-15 11:28:28 PM  

Wookard: Drunk History vol. 6 w/ John C. Reilly & Crispin Glover
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gOR91oentQ



Control-F "Drunk", leaving half satisfied:

HTML BIATCHES

Well worth watching. And thanks, Oatmeal.

/He fell in love with a specific pigeon.
 
2012-08-15 11:29:46 PM  
This is really making progress! Way to go, internet!
 
2012-08-15 11:29:47 PM  

Jormungandr: Robert1966: Capt. Sparkles: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.

Thirded. He was a talented engineer but some of the things he believed he could do seem to require a surprising ignorance of physics.

Alternating current laughs at your voting. He did invent that. We still use it. And AC motors, Arc lighting (fluorescent lights anyone?) and the ever popular Tesla coil.


Not to mention this thing called the radio. But thats just some crazy ass theory that never panned out.
 
2012-08-15 11:31:02 PM  

RadicalMiddle: Owangotang: Sorry but The Oatmeal's deifying of Tesla coupled with his vilifying of Edison makes me want nothing to do with him or this. That's not history, it is a personally crafted narrative.

I think you really need to study the history. Oatmeal's description of Edison was generous. Everything they wrote was true. If you want to see the crafted narrative, look at the history of Edison that was taught to you in schools. The winner writes the history.


I don't take issue with the veracity of it, only the way it is presented. Every Tesla fact is followed by something dirty Edison did. That's all well and good but it tells me Tesla's and Edison's whole stories don't fit the narrative, which is lame.
 
2012-08-15 11:32:10 PM  

IntertubeUser: Canton: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

Well, to be fair, he's part of a trinity. I think it goes something like this, but I could be mistaken.

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This thing changes all the time. For example, Chuck Norris used to be on there, but he was bumped by Batman.

/Tongue firmly in cheek.
//Off to donate.
///Slashies.

Where the boobies??? That's the biggest reason I pay for intrawebs.


They are like the Holy Mary of the interwebs. Without the virgin part.

Clearly I must work on a new diagram. But, um, later. Because procrastination is also a driving force behind web traffic. Yup...
 
2012-08-15 11:40:43 PM  
I went to the site a few weeks back in East Shoreham Long Island. It's pretty interesting place. Surpised that the at least the laboratory section was at least intact.
 
2012-08-15 11:45:10 PM  
The Oatmeal post is awesome, cubed
 
2012-08-15 11:50:25 PM  
Oh god, not the Tesla myth people again. Look, he was a decent inventor who never capitalized on his inventions. We clear?
 
2012-08-15 11:54:45 PM  

JosephFinn: Oh god, not the Tesla myth people again. Look, he was a decent inventor who never capitalized on his inventions. We clear?


decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

you want to give it a try?


He was not a good business man, but he was the best inventor we have ever had.
 
2012-08-15 11:58:32 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: For a mere $500,000 more we'll throw in the Wilhelm Reich Orgone wing!


Redundant. Granted, a WRO down there would be more easily accessible to the general public, but Reich's own property is already a museum.

Link

It's quite pretty up there, and worth a visit even if you don't buy into his theories. And I'm still kicking myself for not having checked yard sale listings that weekend they actually had a yard sale at Orgonon.
 
2012-08-16 12:00:53 AM  

dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.


Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....
 
2012-08-16 12:03:56 AM  
I gave $10. I wish it could be more, but I have faith in the power of the internet.
 
2012-08-16 12:09:50 AM  

Jormungandr: Alternating current laughs at your voting. He did invent that.


Guillaume Duchenne, Ganz Works, Sebastian Ziani de Ferranti, Lucien Gaulard, Galileo Ferraris and Michael Faraday would like a word...


Though Tesla made it worth something.
 
2012-08-16 12:14:15 AM  

JosephFinn: Oh god, not the Tesla myth people again. Look, he was a decent inventor who never capitalized on his inventions. We clear?


Well if capitalization is the measure of an inventor's worth, maybe we should be building a museum to Ron Popeil or Billy Mays instead.
 
2012-08-16 12:16:01 AM  

JosephFinn: Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....


Edison: never invented a thing. nothing. He ran a very productive company filled with inventors, but invented nothing himself. He WAS one of america's greatest CEOs. I give him that credit.

DaVinci I agree. He was better.

Galileo, no. I don't agree. Galileo was a better scientist and artist than inventor. Your invention has to actually work. Tesla's devices work, he just never coupled it with any business sense. I know I'm going to get a big argument on this one.

Jansen made great optics. that required some inventions, but you are really talking about craftsmanship.

and again, the last two are one or two note geniuses.


I don't think the creation of the ozone hole is a great achievement in today's light, but freon refrigeration is a nice advancement. but Midgley didn't invent refrigeration. Midgley is not in even the same category as Tesla.
 
2012-08-16 12:26:26 AM  
I would like there to be one of these Tesla Museums you speak of, but wouldnt my donation be better served helping the human trafficing lemonade stand a few threads up?

Dont you think Tesla would have preferred people not be enslaved to having a museum?
 
2012-08-16 12:28:50 AM  
The Oatmeal, huh? So I'm guessing 80% of this Tesla museum will be devoted to Why Thomas Edison Was Evil and Bad and Hardly Ever Wrote His Mom exhibits.

Wahhhh, I'm a Tesla fanboy because the Internet says it's cool.
 
2012-08-16 12:29:47 AM  

AntonChigger: Frankly, if anyone could ever make wireless power work it would be Tesla, though I'm pretty sure in the last few decades some small advances have been made in this area


It can be made to work. Just on a massive scale, it means saying good bye to radio communications, basically.
 
2012-08-16 12:30:06 AM  

tomcatadam: Capt. Sparkles: I more or less agree with you. He had some good ideas, but the hero worship is getting pretty old.

I look at it the other way. We need MORE hero worship of scientists and engineers. Make them big, make them figures that kids or just people want to be, want to be like.
Sad that it's more of a bandwagon/fad thing, but it's better than nothing.

Keyser_Soze_Death: Had his funding not been cut off by politics, today we would probably have those flying cars everyone keeps biatching about.

That would be terrifying.


Yeah, I guess I can see where you're coming from here. I guess a better way to put it would be that I'm just sick of hearing about Tesla. How about bringing somebody else up out of the grave that history just completely glazed over?
 
2012-08-16 12:32:47 AM  

JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....


Hero of Alexandria
Having a functioning steam engine in 50 AD is nothing to sneeze at.
 
2012-08-16 12:41:02 AM  

This text is now purple: Hero of Alexandria
Having a functioning steam engine in 50 AD is nothing to sneeze at.


that is sort of like Tesla. "here, I built something that can change the world. It works. I actually built it and it runs and I'll show anyone. Here is a really detailed drawing of it too" and then everyone around you figures it is better to stick with what we already know. Newcomen and James Watt had to reinvent it without any knowledge of this earlier device.
 
2012-08-16 12:44:15 AM  

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


Go over to your washing machine, grab an axe, chop the washer open, and remove the induction motor from said appliance. You are hereby banned from using this tech ever again.
 
2012-08-16 12:46:04 AM  

dbaggins: constant toque at all speeds and no losses. ta da


Needs no constant toque...

encrypted-tbn1.google.com
 
2012-08-16 12:46:42 AM  

This text is now purple: JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....

Hero of Alexandria
Having a functioning steam engine in 50 AD is nothing to sneeze at.


Aren't you guys forgetting Archimedes?

Greek Fire, giant ass magnifier to fry attackers, worm drive (not warp, worm) a.k.a. Archimedes' Screw, the Claw of Archimedes, spirals, spheres, balloons, etc.

MOTHERfarkING ARCHIMEDES!!!
 
2012-08-16 12:50:30 AM  

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


It's not technically about Tesla. It's a cultural meme. It's "us" and our culture vs "them" and their culture. "They" have screwed things up, deified Edison, shunted Tesla to the dustbin of history, pushed down inventors and crazies and made us eat peas. "We" are growing in power and we have the ability to set the world in our image and reverse what "they" have done, because naturally it's all wrong and we can do a better job. Tesla is, in effect, our mascot, or figurehead. Justice for Tesla is a blow against the establishment and a raising of our flag.

Anyhow, Tesla was pretty amazing. The A/C motor is still one of those brilliant inventions that kind of comes out of nowhere. And when he got older, he was pretty crazy. I still think a museum would be lots of fun. I like museums a lot.
 
2012-08-16 12:57:51 AM  

Aidan:
Anyhow, Tesla was pretty amazing. The A/C motor is still one of those brilliant inventions that kind of comes out of nowhere. And when he got older, he was pretty crazy. I still think a museum would be lots of fun. I like museums a lot.


Yeah, I just don't like the Oatmeal :P
 
2012-08-16 01:01:56 AM  
I will donate ONLY if they promise to rebuild Wardenclyffe Tower to Tesla's original specifications and crank that baby up to full power.

/FULL POWAH!
//MWAHHHAHAHAAAA!!
 
2012-08-16 01:15:12 AM  

katfairy: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: For a mere $500,000 more we'll throw in the Wilhelm Reich Orgone wing!

Redundant. Granted, a WRO down there would be more easily accessible to the general public, but Reich's own property is already a museum.

Link

It's quite pretty up there, and worth a visit even if you don't buy into his theories. And I'm still kicking myself for not having checked yard sale listings that weekend they actually had a yard sale at Orgonon.


Actually, I've always wanted to build a cloudbuster, just to see for myself. I've found instructions online, and they're not that difficult to make. My sister's ex used to run Borderlands Sciences Research Foundation Link , and so I'm familiar with a lot of Reich's research. Trevor Constable has done a lot of credible work in cloudbusting. I dunno if it's hokum or just repressed science, but I'm curious enough to find out.
 
2012-08-16 01:20:50 AM  

Hand Banana: He did some cool things, but the whole wireless electricity thing was totally stupid.


See, this is exactly why we need a Tesla museum. We have people in this thread commenting about how Tesla was a loon and half his ideas didn't work, not knowing that at least some of those ideas do work even if we went through a long period of no one understanding them. Wireless power transmission for things like lighting a light bulb were absolutely not a big a deal in the early 1900s...40 years later and most people on the street would call you crazy for suggesting it. This thread makes it obvious that even today people aren't aware of it, despite a NASA high power demonstration conducted in 1975 and a video of said demonstration up on youtube. 

Maybe if this knowledge was more common we'd get start working on the steps needed for space based power generation and transmission to Earth, which, ironically enough, would effectively be "power from the air, enough for everyone", exactly like Tesla said.
 
2012-08-16 01:28:38 AM  

dbaggins: Edison: never invented a thing.


Why do people believe this? He invented lots of stuff, such as the stock ticker and an electric vote recorder when he was a very young man. This was well before he "ran a very productive company filled with inventors."

Of course he invented things. He invented a phonograph that could both record and then produce the sounds.
 
2012-08-16 01:30:55 AM  

Dr.Fey: dbaggins: Edison: never invented a thing.

Why do people believe this? He invented lots of stuff, such as the stock ticker and an electric vote recorder when he was a very young man. This was well before he "ran a very productive company filled with inventors."

Of course he invented things. He invented a phonograph that could both record and then produce the sounds.


Its more fun to spout on about how everything you were taught in school was wrong because some guy on the internet told me something different.

/ Hell, its my favorite hobby.
 
2012-08-16 01:34:11 AM  

Fragarach: . This thread makes it obvious that even today people aren't aware of it, despite a NASA high power demonstration conducted in 1975 and a video of said demonstration up on youtube.

Maybe if this knowledge was more common we'd get start working on the steps needed for space based power generation and transmission to Earth, which, ironically enough, would effectively be "power from the air, enough for everyone", exactly like Tesla said.


What happens when a bird flys into the signal?
 
2012-08-16 01:35:51 AM  

I sound fat: Its more fun to spout on about how everything you were taught in school was wrong because some guy on the internet told me something different.

/ Hell, its my favorite hobby.


And that's the problem with most "rebellious" "liberal" people. They're just exchanging one poison for another just because it's DIFFERENT!!!!!
Those are the same bozos that buy into the Mac bullshiat while getting scalped for things they could buy at 1/3 the price.

I'm as iconoclast as the next guy, but jeez people CRITICAL THINKING is what we need, not a new fashion of fanaticism.
 
2012-08-16 01:39:04 AM  
There you go Farkers. You just donated a bunch a few minutes ago. (Took a minute to read the site some more.)

I didn't read the thread or all the gibberish. I'm just a huge fan of Tesla and am a fan of you jackasses here on Fark. I don't need any of the crap that goes with it.
 
2012-08-16 01:39:09 AM  
Tesla was a genius. Unfortunately like many geniuses he was completely insane. To not like someone because others like them is retarded.

If you do anything with electricity you should appreciate the foundation that Tesla made, you don't have to love the guy, but he certainly deserves a significant amount of credit, something that he often times does not receive.
 
2012-08-16 01:39:12 AM  

This text is now purple: JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....

Hero of Alexandria
Having a functioning steam engine in 50 AD is nothing to sneeze at.


He invented no such thing, because 1) the Aeolipile was described by Vitruvian several decades before Hero's birth, and possibly by Ctesibus before that, and 2) it was not an engine except in the most technical sense. There's basically no way to get a useful amount of work out of it.
 
2012-08-16 01:41:26 AM  

Aidan: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.

It's not technically about Tesla. It's a cultural meme. It's "us" and our culture vs "them" and their culture. "They" have screwed things up, deified Edison, shunted Tesla to the dustbin of history, pushed down inventors and crazies and made us eat peas. "We" are growing in power and we have the ability to set the world in our image and reverse what "they" have done, because naturally it's all wrong and we can do a better job. Tesla is, in effect, our mascot, or figurehead. Justice for Tesla is a blow against the establishment and a raising of our flag.

Anyhow, Tesla was pretty amazing. The A/C motor is still one of those brilliant inventions that kind of comes out of nowhere. And when he got older, he was pretty crazy. I still think a museum would be lots of fun. I like museums a lot.


I like peas. I like Tesla. How can I reconcile these two facts?
 
2012-08-16 01:42:14 AM  

Hand Banana: He did some cool things, but the whole wireless electricity thing was totally stupid.


Which is why there are forms of it being used today and others continue to be developed.
 
2012-08-16 01:47:06 AM  
 
2012-08-16 01:50:27 AM  

vodka: Meh, people "dead before their time" usually get more recognition than they deserve. Given enough time he probably would have been running around with cats in his pants.


And pretty much this. Tesla was awesome.

He was also insane but, after Edison, Marconi, and Westinghouse who could blame him?
 
2012-08-16 02:10:46 AM  

JosephFinn: Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....


Seriously, you chide Tesla for not capitalizing on his inventions, and you cite the guy that drew up plans for flying machines and siege warfare weapons that were completely impractical?
 
2012-08-16 02:20:52 AM  
I'm in for $100
 
2012-08-16 02:23:19 AM  
You know, a lot of the time the power of the Internet is used for evil. And then something awesome like this comes along and I'm glad to be a part of this wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Will be donating soon as I'm on a capable desktop.
 
2012-08-16 02:38:25 AM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: This text is now purple: JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....

Hero of Alexandria
Having a functioning steam engine in 50 AD is nothing to sneeze at.

He invented no such thing, because 1) the Aeolipile was described by Vitruvian several decades before Hero's birth, and possibly by Ctesibus before that, and 2) it was not an engine except in the most technical sense. There's basically no way to get a useful amount of work out of it.


True, the Aeolipile as described was woefully inefficient, but it was a start, combustion to motion, thats the foundation of pretty much everything. It easily could have been refined. They already had very complex machinery that could have been driven by it. Im trying to remember the documentary series, they all kind of blend together, but i remember one, it talked about the aeolipile, and then there was a segment on ancient greek stage craft that included some ridiculously complex set machinery that was mostly hand run. Watching it im thinking... one little inspiration and someone could think to hook an aeolipile up to all that. I think it was episode 103 of Ancient Discoveries. This shorter segment is from another episode but talks about the same basic stuff. The ancient greeks had all the pieces of an internal combustion engine, just nobody had thought to put them together.
 
2012-08-16 02:39:19 AM  

Wookard: the Tesla Monument inaguration in Niagara Falls


photos4.meetupstatic.com

Meh

Needs moar crackling electricity
 
2012-08-16 02:55:58 AM  

JosephFinn: dbaggins: decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

Edison, DaVinci, Galileo, Zacharias Jansen, Thomas Midgley, Jr....


Well, I would've started with the Muslims and the Greeks, but yeah.
 
2012-08-16 03:23:22 AM  
No i am *not* going to donate, for the last time!!!
 
2012-08-16 06:55:50 AM  

CygnusDarius: Keyser_Soze_Death: A decent movie about Tesla, (with Orson Welles!) that somewhat accurately depicts how very odd he was socially.

The Secret of Nicola Tesla

Had his funding not been cut off by politics, today we would probably have those flying cars everyone keeps biatching about.

And power armor.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
AGREES
 
2012-08-16 07:23:01 AM  

Fragarach: Hand Banana: He did some cool things, but the whole wireless electricity thing was totally stupid.

See, this is exactly why we need a Tesla museum. We have people in this thread commenting about how Tesla was a loon and half his ideas didn't work, not knowing that at least some of those ideas do work even if we went through a long period of no one understanding them. Wireless power transmission for things like lighting a light bulb were absolutely not a big a deal in the early 1900s...40 years later and most people on the street would call you crazy for suggesting it. This thread makes it obvious that even today people aren't aware of it, despite a NASA high power demonstration conducted in 1975 and a video of said demonstration up on youtube. 

Maybe if this knowledge was more common we'd get start working on the steps needed for space based power generation and transmission to Earth, which, ironically enough, would effectively be "power from the air, enough for everyone", exactly like Tesla said.


Not going to lie - that video is damn awesome.

/just like Tesla
 
2012-08-16 07:30:23 AM  

gingerjet: GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

Tesla WAS a farking genius. But horrible at business and by all accounts - a complete asshole. He was his own worse enemy.


That's not nearly as good as being his own best friend.

images.wikia.com

But anyways, I agree that a museum would be a much better use of the land than another shopping center...
 
2012-08-16 07:32:25 AM  

dbaggins: JosephFinn: Oh god, not the Tesla myth people again. Look, he was a decent inventor who never capitalized on his inventions. We clear?

decent inventor ? I don't think I can name a single greater inventor in mankind's history.

you want to give it a try?


Johannes Gutenberg. Done.

Much as the many things that have come since then are quite awesome and make our lives easier and longer, mankind would be worthless (and likely all worthwhile inventions we now reap the benefits of would not yet exist) if we'd never first been able to reproduce writing on a massive scale. Math, science, engineering, and medicine are all VERY cool, but if you can't share knowledge/information on a large scale, we'd be screwed.
 
2012-08-16 08:07:39 AM  

Empty Matchbook: scottydoesntknow: [s3.amazonaws.com image 769x1500]

Click pic to see the whole shebang

The Oatmeal is often a great site, but often disappears up its own cavernous asshole. Suggesting that a "true geek" would turn down sex to work on an invention is...hysterically short-sighted and monumentally arrogant. The guy was likely asexual. It had as much to do with "not wanting to interfere with his experiments" as having sex "obliterates writing from my life."

/though it DOES make it more difficult

 

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-16 08:09:48 AM  
Holy fark.. Something worth a damn on the internet and it involves the most awesome science guy who ever lived? *head asplodes*
 
2012-08-16 08:33:35 AM  

Owangotang:
I don't take issue with the veracity of it, only the way it is presented. Every Tesla fact is followed by something dirty Edison did. That's all well and good but it tells me Tesla's and Edison's whole stories don't fit the narrative, which is lame.


He actually went fairly light on Edison. He didn't even touch on Edison's movie pirating and patent trolling.
 
2012-08-16 08:56:28 AM  

JosephFinn: Oh god, not the Tesla myth people again. Look, he was a decent inventor who never capitalized on his inventions. We clear?


And why is capitalizing it the important part?
 
2012-08-16 08:59:47 AM  

vodka: Meh, people "dead before their time" usually get more recognition than they deserve. Given enough time he probably would have been running around with cats in his pants.


Tesla: inventor of the Pocket Pussy.
 
2012-08-16 09:00:50 AM  

Dr.Fey: dbaggins: Edison: never invented a thing.

Why do people believe this? He invented lots of stuff, such as the stock ticker and an electric vote recorder when he was a very young man. This was well before he "ran a very productive company filled with inventors."

Of course he invented things. He invented a phonograph that could both record and then produce the sounds.


That'd been done before too, but not "capitalized". sounds recorded photographically and on other media; Edison just put it on aluminum.
 
2012-08-16 09:17:11 AM  
When I was a kid, we used to go on a vacation ever year to Ft Myers. During these vacations, I went on the tour of Edison's summer home at least once every trip. One time, only once, we got this really old tour guide who explained that this wooden box up on a pedestal was sealed and locked by Edison during a time when he was experimenting with the phonograph, when he was also supposedly trying to find a way to contact the dead. Edison's instructions were that the box was to remain sealed until the year 2000, when he thought the world would finally be ready for what was inside.

So a few years ago, my wife and I did the Edison tour. I looked all around trying to find this box but didn't see anything like it. At the end, I privately asked our tour guide about it, wondering what happened when they opened the box. He told me that the tour guides are no longer allowed to make up stories like they used to.
 
2012-08-16 09:20:46 AM  

dbaggins: should I keep going ?


Yes please.
 
2012-08-16 09:31:35 AM  

sxacho: When I was a kid, we used to go on a vacation ever year to Ft Myers. During these vacations, I went on the tour of Edison's summer home at least once every trip. One time, only once, we got this really old tour guide who explained that this wooden box up on a pedestal was sealed and locked by Edison during a time when he was experimenting with the phonograph, when he was also supposedly trying to find a way to contact the dead. Edison's instructions were that the box was to remain sealed until the year 2000, when he thought the world would finally be ready for what was inside.

So a few years ago, my wife and I did the Edison tour. I looked all around trying to find this box but didn't see anything like it. At the end, I privately asked our tour guide about it, wondering what happened when they opened the box. He told me that the tour guides are no longer allowed to make up stories like they used to.


I thought Edison was just planning to stick his head in the ground and yell.
 
2012-08-16 09:35:28 AM  
What about Dr. Emmett Brown?? FerGodsSake! He invented the flux capacitor!! It's what makes time travel possible!

/Obvious
 
2012-08-16 09:40:36 AM  

GAT_00: Am I the only person left on the Internet who doesn't think Nikola Tesla was a goddamn God?

If you propose theories but never get them working, that NOBODY has ever gotten working, that doesn't make you a genius.


So you don't use alternating current?
 
2012-08-16 09:44:48 AM  

SapperInTexas: Aidan:
It's not technically about Tesla. It's a cultural meme. It's "us" and our culture vs "them" and their culture. "They" have screwed things up, deified Edison, shunted Tesla to the dustbin of history, pushed down inventors and crazies and made us eat peas.

I like peas. I like Tesla. How can I reconcile these two facts?


You like peas. I can't help you. It's one of those universal constants.

/You know peas have teeth, don't you?
 
2012-08-16 09:55:20 AM  

sxacho: When I was a kid, we used to go on a vacation ever year to Ft Myers. During these vacations, I went on the tour of Edison's summer home at least once every trip. One time, only once, we got this really old tour guide who explained that this wooden box up on a pedestal was sealed and locked by Edison during a time when he was experimenting with the phonograph, when he was also supposedly trying to find a way to contact the dead. Edison's instructions were that the box was to remain sealed until the year 2000, when he thought the world would finally be ready for what was inside.

So a few years ago, my wife and I did the Edison tour. I looked all around trying to find this box but didn't see anything like it. At the end, I privately asked our tour guide about it, wondering what happened when they opened the box. He told me that the tour guides are no longer allowed to make up stories like they used to.


I love shaggy dog stories. :)
 
2012-08-16 10:00:08 AM  
Oh good. I look forward to daily updates on what this super awesome website is doing.
Oh, yeah. Pandering to geeks on the internet
 
2012-08-16 10:01:54 AM  

doubled99: Oh good. I look forward to daily updates on what this super awesome website is doing.
Oh, yeah. Pandering to geeks on the internet


Plug Tag?

Seriously who gives a shiat, if your going to greenlight somones attempt at promoting another website the least you could do is give us a filter tool to screen out this crap.
 
2012-08-16 10:09:05 AM  
Thanks for posting subby!

/Dontated
 
2012-08-16 10:13:42 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: sxacho: When I was a kid, we used to go on a vacation ever year to Ft Myers. During these vacations, I went on the tour of Edison's summer home at least once every trip. One time, only once, we got this really old tour guide who explained that this wooden box up on a pedestal was sealed and locked by Edison during a time when he was experimenting with the phonograph, when he was also supposedly trying to find a way to contact the dead. Edison's instructions were that the box was to remain sealed until the year 2000, when he thought the world would finally be ready for what was inside.

So a few years ago, my wife and I did the Edison tour. I looked all around trying to find this box but didn't see anything like it. At the end, I privately asked our tour guide about it, wondering what happened when they opened the box. He told me that the tour guides are no longer allowed to make up stories like they used to.

I love shaggy dog stories. :)


Yeah, but it only took you a minute to find out the end. It took me and my young over-imagination about 20 years.
 
2012-08-16 10:14:59 AM  

dbaggins: most people are entirely ignorant of all of Tesla's actually working inventions


the AC electric generator

the three-phase induction motor (the motor in every factory on earth)

the AC transformer (walk out to your street, follow the humming sound)

the AC/DC rectifier , and for kicks, also the inverter.

oh, and thanks to solid-state inverters you now get....electric cars that use the 3-phase induction motor, with constant toque at all speeds and no losses. ta da


Tesla didn't actually discover AC, nor did he invent the transformer. He did patent some improvements to the transformer I believe, and worked on polyphase AC systems. (I'm on my phone now, and don't feel like posting links at the moment.) He did invent the induction motor.

Do you have a source on him developing the rectifier and inverter? I know a lot of his devices made use of synchronous switching for going between AC and DC, but there were a bunch of different technologies used for rectification back then. As for inverters, modern ones didn't really start to come to fruition until the development of power semiconductors in the mid-20th century (same goes for DC-DC converters). There were of course motor generators, though, and Tesla did a lot with resonant circuits so it's not totally unrelated.
 
2012-08-16 10:17:47 AM  
Battered. Chapped. Pussay.
 
2012-08-16 10:21:47 AM  

archichris: doubled99: Oh good. I look forward to daily updates on what this super awesome website is doing.
Oh, yeah. Pandering to geeks on the internet

Plug Tag?

Seriously who gives a shiat, if your going to greenlight somones attempt at promoting another website the least you could do is give us a filter tool to screen out this crap.


I went with spiffy, because I think it is pretty spiffy. If I were associated in any way with the Oatmeal, maybe I would have put up "plug," but I'm not, I'm just a long time fan of Tesla(yes I knew of him way before Bowie played him) and I think it's cool what Inman is doing.
 
2012-08-16 10:51:21 AM  

Empty Matchbook: The Oatmeal is often a great site, but often disappears up its own cavernous asshole. Suggesting that a "true geek" would turn down sex to work on an invention is...hysterically short-sighted and monumentally arrogant. The guy was likely asexual. It had as much to do with "not wanting to interfere with his experiments" as having sex "obliterates writing from my life."


www.harkavagrant.com
 
2012-08-16 11:50:08 AM  
Internet + fools = - money.
 
2012-08-16 12:11:18 PM  

Cyno01: True, the Aeolipile as described was woefully inefficient, but it was a start, combustion to motion, thats the foundation of pretty much everything. It easily could have been refined. They already had very complex machinery that could have been driven by it. Im trying to remember the documentary series, they all kind of blend together, but i remember one, it talked about the aeolipile, and then there was a segment on ancient greek stage craft that included some ridiculously complex set machinery that was mostly hand run. Watching it im thinking... one little inspiration and someone could think to hook an aeolipile up to all that. I think it was episode 103 of Ancient Discoveries. This shorter segment is from another episode but talks about the same basic stuff. The ancient greeks had all the pieces of an internal combustion engine, just nobody had thought to put them together.


More importantly, they had no reason to. They lived in an economy where labor was cheap, but materials were expensive. In that context, it would make no sense to replace human labor with mechanized.
 
2012-08-16 12:24:59 PM  

Ringshadow: [i46.tinypic.com image 850x390]

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The only time I have seen this meme used well.

Ringshadow: tomcatadam: I look at it the other way. We need MORE hero worship of scientists and engineers. Make them big, make them figures that kids or just people want to be, want to be like.
Sad that it's more of a bandwagon/fad thing, but it's better than nothing.

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In an age where being an intellectual will get you looked down upon more often then not (look no further than the political arena for this), putting a scientist up on the pedestal he deserves is something we NEED now. We NEED to hold our intellectuals and inventors and crazy smart people up, and encourage young people to be like them. We NEED more innovators and rule breakers and more crazy science.


Yes! This is the last thing any of us should be complaining about.
 
2012-08-16 01:26:22 PM  

Dr.Fey: He invented a phonograph that could both record and then produce the sounds.


thetubameister: That'd been done before too


Citation needed.
 
2012-08-16 01:34:50 PM  
Link Farked already?!
 
2012-08-16 01:49:14 PM  
For all the Tesla naysaying hipster contrarian douches in this thread, fark off - this thread and fundraising is clearly not for you. Seek hate elsewhere.
 
2012-08-16 01:55:35 PM  
sure looks that way :/
 
2012-08-16 02:24:01 PM  

Disposable Rob: Owangotang:
I don't take issue with the veracity of it, only the way it is presented. Every Tesla fact is followed by something dirty Edison did. That's all well and good but it tells me Tesla's and Edison's whole stories don't fit the narrative, which is lame.

He actually went fairly light on Edison. He didn't even touch on Edison's movie pirating and patent trolling.


This. Edison was a hack.

/From New Jersey
//Made every yearly school field trip pilgrimage to Edison Museum
///Drove by museum every day during high school.
////Donated $100
 
2012-08-16 03:05:50 PM  
Well, 24 hours in and they've already raised just a little more than half the money. Inman can really rally the troops.
 
2012-08-16 04:11:13 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Empty Matchbook: scottydoesntknow: [s3.amazonaws.com image 769x1500]

Click pic to see the whole shebang

The Oatmeal is often a great site, but often disappears up its own cavernous asshole. Suggesting that a "true geek" would turn down sex to work on an invention is...hysterically short-sighted and monumentally arrogant. The guy was likely asexual. It had as much to do with "not wanting to interfere with his experiments" as having sex "obliterates writing from my life."

/though it DOES make it more difficult 

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That there's just IGNINT!
 
2012-08-16 09:19:33 PM  

AntonChigger: Gabrielmot: "J.P. Morgan, you there? One hundred years ago you believed in Tesla and backed him financially. Honor his legacy and help him out again!"

"Backed him financially?"... more like "stabbed him the back". Come on Oatmeal, do a little research about the man's life before you give one of his greatest nemeses credit for helping him...

He's not lying, and neither are you. J.P. Morgan did give Tesla funding, but he also loved his money, so when Tesla's ideas became really expensive he refused to write him a blank check, even though he probably could have afforded it. Frankly, if anyone could ever make wireless power work it would be Tesla, though I'm pretty sure in the last few decades some small advances have been made in this area

/I know, citation needed


My understanding is that wi-pi has been demonstrated to work for many years, but only at low power levels.
 
2012-08-16 10:07:11 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: AntonChigger: Gabrielmot: "J.P. Morgan, you there? One hundred years ago you believed in Tesla and backed him financially. Honor his legacy and help him out again!"

"Backed him financially?"... more like "stabbed him the back". Come on Oatmeal, do a little research about the man's life before you give one of his greatest nemeses credit for helping him...

He's not lying, and neither are you. J.P. Morgan did give Tesla funding, but he also loved his money, so when Tesla's ideas became really expensive he refused to write him a blank check, even though he probably could have afforded it. Frankly, if anyone could ever make wireless power work it would be Tesla, though I'm pretty sure in the last few decades some small advances have been made in this area

/I know, citation needed

My understanding is that wi-pi has been demonstrated to work for many years, but only at low power levels.


It depends on the technology used. You can transfer power using radio waves like microwaves (which I believe NASA has demonstrated at high power with reasonable efficiency), electromagnetic induction (Witricity), and conduction. Tesla was looking into the latter, which is what Wardenclyffe Tower was going to be for. (He did of course work with the other two technologies, this was just what he felt was the most promising.) Basically, he wanted to use the earth as a conductor, with the sky as a return conductor... It sounds a little far fetched, but it sort of works. The tower, I believe, was going to be his way of testing it at full scale. I think he claimed that the major inefficiency was keeping the earth resonating, which he claimed would take around 75 kw (I think). So if you had a hell of a lot more generating capacity than that, the losses would be minimal.

I think the conduction method has been replicated to differing degrees, although I don't think any full scale like that. It's something I'll have to look into again, but I'm not sure how well it would work in this day and age or how much interference with normal radio could be controlled.

On another note, if anyone's somewhat electronics savvy and interested in wireless power, it's not terribly difficult to make resonant inductive wireless work. In fact, there are Youtube videos. Basically, you have two LC circuits tuned to the same frequency. Then you can put AC (or just pulsed DC) in one at the resonant frequency, and pull it out from the other. Making one that's very effective and gives good range is difficult, but lighting a light bulb wirelessly isn't too bad.

This isn't the greatest picture, but I have gotten it working:
home.whatsmykarma.com
 
2012-08-16 10:11:43 PM  

This text is now purple: AntonChigger: Frankly, if anyone could ever make wireless power work it would be Tesla, though I'm pretty sure in the last few decades some small advances have been made in this area

It can be made to work. Just on a massive scale, it means saying good bye to radio communications, basically.


Maybe, if the spectrum emission is broad. But a narrow-band emission shouldn't produce interference outside its own spectrum masque.
 
2012-08-16 10:27:29 PM  

linuxpyro: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: AntonChigger: Gabrielmot: "J.P. Morgan, you there? One hundred years ago you believed in Tesla and backed him financially. Honor his legacy and help him out again!"

"Backed him financially?"... more like "stabbed him the back". Come on Oatmeal, do a little research about the man's life before you give one of his greatest nemeses credit for helping him...

He's not lying, and neither are you. J.P. Morgan did give Tesla funding, but he also loved his money, so when Tesla's ideas became really expensive he refused to write him a blank check, even though he probably could have afforded it. Frankly, if anyone could ever make wireless power work it would be Tesla, though I'm pretty sure in the last few decades some small advances have been made in this area

/I know, citation needed

My understanding is that wi-pi has been demonstrated to work for many years, but only at low power levels.

It depends on the technology used. You can transfer power using radio waves like microwaves (which I believe NASA has demonstrated at high power with reasonable efficiency), electromagnetic induction (Witricity), and conduction. Tesla was looking into the latter, which is what Wardenclyffe Tower was going to be for. (He did of course work with the other two technologies, this was just what he felt was the most promising.) Basically, he wanted to use the earth as a conductor, with the sky as a return conductor... It sounds a little far fetched, but it sort of works. The tower, I believe, was going to be his way of testing it at full scale. I think he claimed that the major inefficiency was keeping the earth resonating, which he claimed would take around 75 kw (I think). So if you had a hell of a lot more generating capacity than that, the losses would be minimal.

I think the conduction method has been replicated to differing degrees, although I don't think any full scale like that. It's something I'll have to look into again, but I'm not sure how well it ...


Neat!
 
2012-08-16 10:29:36 PM  

jaytkay: I contributed in memory of the Topsy, the elephant Thomas Edison electrocuted.

Asshole *

/ * OK mostly Edison was not an asshole but fark you Edison for electrocuting Topsy


No, you were right the first time. Edison was most definitely an asshole:

i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-16 11:14:53 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Neat!


Thanks! And in case you were curious, that setup I had does drive the circuit with pulsed DC, basically square waves. So the interference would be pretty bad... But it could be reduced a lot. It's neat because a lot of that could probably be condensed to a single chip, and someday that might actually be cheaper than adding power jacks to devices.
 
2012-08-17 06:57:41 AM  

Max Awesome: jaytkay: I contributed in memory of the Topsy, the elephant Thomas Edison electrocuted.

Asshole *

/ * OK mostly Edison was not an asshole but fark you Edison for electrocuting Topsy

No, you were right the first time. Edison was most definitely an asshole:

[i42.photobucket.com image 771x429]


According to Ira Flatow's book, 'The All Laughed,' though this was done with Edison's knowledge and blessing, the don kept his own hands clean. The nefarious decimation by electrocution of West Orange's pets was directly conducted by Edison's AC hit man, H.P. Brown (who styled himself as a professor but was apparently not), and his chief engineer, Arthur Kennelly. They were the ones who paid neighbourhood kids a quarter per fur-covered head, and secretly tortured and killed the animals by night, keeping careful records of their gruesome deeds. The first public demonstration killed a 76-pound Newfoundland with increasing voltages in a wire cage. SPCA delegates arrived too late to save the dog.

About fifty pets were killed over the summer of 1888. That was the year that Tesla delivered to Westinghouse the AC motor, the tool he needed to take on Edison. Tesla also devised the AC distribution system for all of New York that Westinghouse used to challenge Edison's hegemony there. Brown's scheme was to terrify the public into believing that AC was inherently dangerous at any voltage, at least much more so than DC. He tried to have mains levels over 300V banned from New York -- understanding full well that this would obviate AC's advantages at higher power. It was Brown's idea to promote AC for use in electrocution, as a most dramatic demonstration of its monstrous peril that the public could not ignore or forgot. He personally electrocuted two 230-pound calves before New York reporters to demonstrate its efficacy in killing human-size animals. And it was a lawyer of his acquaintance, Eugene Lewis, who proposed 'westinghouse' as the formal term for execution by electricity (AC, naturally).

In practice, however, the first public use of AC for electrocution of a human didn't go so well. It took nearly two full minutes for William Kemmler to die, and reporters found it gruesome and horrifying -- to their sights, much crueller than hanging, which it replaced.

In the end, though, engineers prevailed, recognising AC's inherent advantages, giving us the grid we have today. (Edison's would have required countless small generators, located much closer to end users, with an inherent limit to potential efficiencies and savings.)

What were their motivations? Edison and Brown both held patents on DC technologies. Kennelly's livelihood depended on Edison's success. AC threatened their monopoly on urban power systems. So, it was all about the money, at every step. Not about what was right or true or what was good for people. And THAT's what makes Edison an asshole: less that he did evil things, than that he did them because in the end, the only person he cared about was himself. Tesla, by contrast, was fully prepared to bankrupt himself *and* Westinghouse *and* Edison, in order to deliver real benefits for people, to the world as a whole. That kind of humanitarian vision and magnanimity was entirely alien to a self-interested twat like Edison.
 
2012-08-17 09:54:26 AM  

linuxpyro: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: AntonChigger: Gabrielmot: "J.P. Morgan, you there? One hundred years ago you believed in Tesla and backed him financially. Honor his legacy and help him out again!"

"Backed him financially?"... more like "stabbed him the back". Come on Oatmeal, do a little research about the man's life before you give one of his greatest nemeses credit for helping him...

He's not lying, and neither are you. J.P. Morgan did give Tesla funding, but he also loved his money, so when Tesla's ideas became really expensive he refused to write him a blank check, even though he probably could have afforded it. Frankly, if anyone could ever make wireless power work it would be Tesla, though I'm pretty sure in the last few decades some small advances have been made in this area

/I know, citation needed

My understanding is that wi-pi has been demonstrated to work for many years, but only at low power levels.

It depends on the technology used. You can transfer power using radio waves like microwaves (which I believe NASA has demonstrated at high power with reasonable efficiency), electromagnetic induction (Witricity), and conduction. Tesla was looking into the latter, which is what Wardenclyffe Tower was going to be for. (He did of course work with the other two technologies, this was just what he felt was the most promising.) Basically, he wanted to use the earth as a conductor, with the sky as a return conductor... It sounds a little far fetched, but it sort of works. The tower, I believe, was going to be his way of testing it at full scale. I think he claimed that the major inefficiency was keeping the earth resonating, which he claimed would take around 75 kw (I think). So if you had a hell of a lot more generating capacity than that, the losses would be minimal.

I think the conduction method has been replicated to differing degrees, although I don't think any full scale like that. It's something I'll have to look into again, but I'm not sure how well it ...


Ya can also try the ole Flourescent bulb under massive power lines and it's faint bubbling glow will let you know there is a lot of juice above ya :) Thank goodness not everyone lives around high voltage power lines, though. Another fun one (that is DC) is the wireless headphone trick where you leave a headphone line plugged in with bare ends and repeat the procedure on the receiver/amp. put them less than 3' away from each other and you have wireless audio (barely) :)
 
2012-08-17 05:48:18 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: In the end, though, engineers prevailed, recognising AC's inherent advantages, giving us the grid we have today. (Edison's would have required countless small generators, located much closer to end users, with an inherent limit to potential efficiencies and savings.)


The irony is that at higher voltages, DC is in general more dangerous than AC. This is because the voltage is constant, and inductances in the wire can cause it to spike making a DC arc hard to extinguish, and short circuit protection difficult. Also, DC is arguably better for long-distance transmission. AC made sense at the time, however, because stepping the voltage up is easier and required only a transformer. Nowadays, however, power electronics makes dealing with high voltage DC easier. In fact, there are several HVDC lines in use.

I consider Edison to be more of an inventor/tinkerer type, whereas Tesla was an actual engineer. I could have a lot more respect for Edison for his business sense and mindset if it weren't for the whole electrocuting animals thing and general assholishness.

kimmygibblershomework: Ya can also try the ole Flourescent bulb under massive power lines and it's faint bubbling glow will let you know there is a lot of juice above ya :) Thank goodness not everyone lives around high voltage power lines, though. Another fun one (that is DC) is the wireless headphone trick where you leave a headphone line plugged in with bare ends and repeat the procedure on the receiver/amp. put them less than 3' away from each other and you have wireless audio (barely) :)


I've never tried the fluorescent light trick, but I'd like to. As for the headphone trick, I never thought of that, but you could consider that a crude form of radio :).
 
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