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(Santa Monica Daily Press)   Unexplained aches and pains? It's probably because of wi-fi parking meters. You should sue the city. For $1.7 billion. Plus $1.7 million a month. It's only fair considering the trauma you've been through   (smdp.com) divider line 19
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2012-08-15 07:09:02 PM  
3 votes:
Look up ionizing vs non-ionizing radiation.

Now look up the inverse-square law.

We'll still be here when you get back.
2012-08-15 07:30:50 PM  
2 votes:
She is hoping to move out of Santa Monica within the year to escape the wireless soup.

Where does she plan to live where she won't be exposed to the signals from her neighbors' wireless routers?
2012-08-15 07:24:22 PM  
2 votes:

ignite ice: I don't want to wait another few decades before impartial parties look at the true data and see the direct correlations between wireless signals and an array of health risks.


Since you've already made up your mind, why do you care about science?
2012-08-16 02:18:51 AM  
1 votes:

AliceBToklasLives: So there's only a constant conjunction between me hitting the "quote" button and absolutely nothing happening?


I admire your sense of Humer.
2012-08-16 12:01:32 AM  
1 votes:
I have a friend who has fibromyalgia AND is paranoid. The government reads his mail and taps his phone but wifi doesn't bother him.
2012-08-15 11:58:29 PM  
1 votes:

ignite ice: It's not even just her that's concerned about this. Article mentions that there is an entire medical community that is concerned about the impact that cell phones, wireless networks, and other low-level emitters are having on their residents' health. Tobacco companies walked the same line decades ago, hiring their own internal scientists to conclude that cigarettes were safe, and people still smoke even today, despite the overwhelming evidence that cigarettes pose an enormous health risk. I don't want to wait another few decades before impartial parties look at the true data and see the direct correlations between wireless signals and an array of health risks.


Do you understand that you have been surrounded by EM Radiation your entire life? Power lines, the wiring in your house, YOUR COMPUTER, they all emit EM Radiation. So does the sun, it's all a part of the electromagnetic spectrum, you have been surrounded by it your entire life, as has every creature on the farming planet(it's a large part of how we evolved), so unless you plan to disconnect from the grid 100% and live in a giant lead box, quit your whining and stop being such a nervous Nancy.

Quit believing everything you read without thinking for yourself.
2012-08-15 11:01:20 PM  
1 votes:
Somebody needs to learn the difference between ionizing and non-ionizing radiation. Oh, and that people have been bombarded with non-ionizing radiation from terrestrial sources for almost a century.

Last I checked, there weren't any major cancer clusters around radio and television transmitters, so this person can go walk off a pier. Farking hypercondriac.
2012-08-15 10:15:21 PM  
1 votes:

wxboy: I would think, with manmade radio waves sweeping all over the Earth for what, over 100 years now, at least, if they were causing any serious medical issues we would have figured it out by now.


Yeah, but they weren't called "wifi". Now that we have a new name for it, its incredibly dangerous.
2012-08-15 09:42:13 PM  
1 votes:

snowshovel: MrEricSir: ignite ice: I don't want to wait another few decades before impartial parties look at the true data and see the direct correlations between wireless signals and an array of health risks.

Since you've already made up your mind, why do you care about science?

well, at one point, science had said that both asbestos and DDT were awesome. And how many drugs that were once deemed safe to use have been taken off the market as more datapoints were filled in.

Just because the science of today thinks something is okay, it doesn't mean that the science of tomorrow won't find things differently.


So every irrational baseless technophobic fear is justified. We should return to the stone age when everything was natural.
2012-08-15 07:43:31 PM  
1 votes:

MrEricSir: Osomatic: China White Tea: I've always thought it would be fun to chase one of these "wifi sensitive" types around with a wireless router. When they flip their shiat, open the case to reveal that it's just a battery powering an LED and ask them if they now believe that they are farking crazy.

No doubt the answer you would get: "Well, I was probably being bombarded with wi-fi signals from somewhere *else* nearby. That's why my sensitivities were triggered."

Then conduct the experiment in a faraday cage, and have radiation sensors to prove that it's working.


50 bucks says it still wouldn't convince them.
2012-08-15 07:37:44 PM  
1 votes:

China White Tea: I've always thought it would be fun to chase one of these "wifi sensitive" types around with a wireless router. When they flip their shiat, open the case to reveal that it's just a battery powering an LED and ask them if they now believe that they are farking crazy.


No doubt the answer you would get: "Well, I was probably being bombarded with wi-fi signals from somewhere *else* nearby. That's why my sensitivities were triggered."

James Randi likes to call the true believers in stuff like this the "unsinkable rubber ducks." No matter what you show them, prove to them, demonstrate to them... you cannot shake their belief in what they have decided is true, and they pop right back up with another explanation. (Cue somebody saying "Yeah, like the way *you* believe in science!" *sigh*)
2012-08-15 07:33:40 PM  
1 votes:
In all seriousness, I don't understand the concern about wi-fi when police radar has been spewing ionizing radiation around for decades and at much more dangerous frequencies.
2012-08-15 07:32:55 PM  
1 votes:

ModernLuddite: There is a woman in my neighbourhood who complains about wi-fi and em radiation causing her problems. She works in the computer section of a department store. She claims that when she leaves the department, she feels better immediately. She is a farking moron.


I feel the same way, but I always chalked it up to a combination of fluorescent tube lighting and soul crushing despair.
2012-08-15 07:29:49 PM  
1 votes:
I would think, with manmade radio waves sweeping all over the Earth for what, over 100 years now, at least, if they were causing any serious medical issues we would have figured it out by now.
2012-08-15 07:26:03 PM  
1 votes:

Yuri Futanari: FTFA: ringing in her ears, ear infections and tightness on the back, left side of her neck.

She needs to look up cervicogenic headaches.


That are brought on by neck tension from anxiety caused by incessant worrying about 'wireless soup'
2012-08-15 07:23:26 PM  
1 votes:

ignite ice: It's not even just her that's concerned about this.


WiFi is radio. It's a victim of its own good marketing. It doesn't seem cool and high tech if you call it what it is, a walkie talkie duct taped to a computer. But that's what it is.
2012-08-15 07:17:39 PM  
1 votes:
ignite ice It's not even just her that's concerned about this. Article mentions that there is an entire medical community that is concerned about the impact that cell phones, wireless networks, and other low-level emitters are having on their residents' health. Tobacco companies walked the same line decades ago, hiring their own internal scientists to conclude that cigarettes were safe, and people still smoke even today, despite the overwhelming evidence that cigarettes pose an enormous health risk..

There have been numerous peer-reviewed studies done on low-level EM emissions (go to pub med and check). At best they're inconclusive, but the vast majority can find no link to health problems. The whole issue reminds me of the chemical sensitivity issue from 15 years ago where after years of research the only conclusive link found was to mental health issues.

I would also point out that we are bathed in natural low-level EM emissions daily so I doubt after 4 billion years of evolution their effects are as deleterious as some people would like to believe.

I don't want to wait another few decades before impartial parties look at the true data and see the direct correlations between wireless signals and an array of health risks

Correlations, direct or otherwise, do not show cause.
2012-08-15 07:15:23 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA: ringing in her ears, ear infections and tightness on the back, left side of her neck.

She needs to look up cervicogenic headaches.
2012-08-15 07:07:44 PM  
1 votes:
Quote button has stopped working. Can't be arsed to copy and paste.

ignite ice: 1/10
 
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