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2012-08-15 11:28:37 PM  

21-7-b: A Dark Evil Omen

Just... Everyone seriously rah-rahing over this?

I really, truly, and I say this with all honesty, hope someone murders you and your whole family and burns down your home because they disagree with American foreign policy, because that is what you are wishing on other people.

i'm not wishing any such thing.

given current iranian relations with the rest of the world, i do think increasingly significant iranian control of iraq increases the chance of war with, well, take your pick


Then that is Iran's issue. But anyone cheering mass murder because it's politically expedient or because the TV machine told them IRAN BAD... Well, getting rid of people like that would be more "expedient" from where I'm sitting.
 
2012-08-15 11:28:47 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: This demonstrates a level of ignorance heretofore unknown to science.


Okay, since you're that stupid. I'll educate you.

Israel has an air force that, short of interference from the United States or one of the European countries, is going to decimate anything Iran puts in the sky in roughly five minutes. Complete and total air superiority will then systematically destroy every piece of war infrastructure that Iran has. At the end of 30 days Iran would be so crippled that it's ability to do anything more than stubbornly resist as best it can would be all it has left. Assuming it comes to a ground war, Israel has better... well... everything, but particularly tanks and some of the best tank crews in the world. A fight between Israel and Iran could only be more one sided if it as the United States instead of Israel fighting.

Oh and unlike the United States, Israel is probably not going to be nearly as friendly about its warfare. So keep that in mind.
 
2012-08-15 11:29:51 PM  

kbronsito: Iran has the largest and most diverse ballistic missile arsenal in the Middle East

Yes. They have missiles designed in both Photoshop AND Illustrator available in EPS, PDF, and JPG


Don't forget the animated GIFs.
 
2012-08-15 11:30:12 PM  

robbrie: or start World War III


"Oh no you didn't, ye."
 
2012-08-15 11:41:38 PM  
Don't be a dick, instead, try to help one another.
Problem solved.
 
2012-08-15 11:41:49 PM  

Virtual Pariah: thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?

Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family and instead has a democratic government, and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away, so that's good, and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).

No it's not.

I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.


We can't afford not to, unfortuantely. China would be on those oil and gas reserves like a fat kid on cake, if Russia didn't beat them to it. Nature abhors a vacuum, the vacuum created in the ME in the absence of US domination would lead to some seriously farked up global scale conflicts.
 
2012-08-15 11:43:49 PM  

2000ants: Well since your advocating we attack countries with clandestine nuclear programs, why shouldn't the rest of the world see your clandestine nuclear program as a threat to stability and forcefully remove it, like you want the block's bully to do for you in Iran?



Go right ahead and try
 
2012-08-15 11:44:44 PM  

WeenerGord: i wonder if Professer Tom Lehrer was jewish? He kinda looks jewish. Love his work though!



After reading the nonsense you post, calling other peoples words "Derp" is some great projection
 
2012-08-15 11:46:12 PM  

Captain_Ballbeard: 9/11 Israelis

In September 2001, The New York Times and Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that four hours after the attack, the FBI arrested five Israelis who had been filming the smoking skyline from the roof of a white van in the parking lot of an apartment building, for "puzzling behavior". They were charged with illegally residing in the United States and working there without permits. The Israelis were said to have been videotaping the disaster with what was interpreted as cries of "joy and mockery".[57][58] Police found the van and a search revealed $4,700 in cash hidden, along with foreign passports and a boxcutter which aroused suspicions and led to the detention of the occupants. The men were held in detention for more than 2 months, during which time they were subjected to interrogation and lie detector tests, before being deported back to Israel; one of the men (Paul Kurzberg) refused to take the test for 10 weeks, and then failed it.[59]

The five men worked at the company Urban Moving Systems, owned and operated by Dominick Suter. After the men were arrested the FBI searched their offices and questioned Suter, however Suter fled to Israel before he could be questioned further. Eventually, Suter's name appeared on the May 2002 FBI Suspect List, along with the September 11 hijackers and other suspected extremists.[60][not in citation given][61][62][63]

According to a former CIA chief of operations for counterterrorism Vince Cannistraro, there was speculation that Urban Moving Systems may have been a front for an intelligence operation investigating fund-raising networks channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad. On March 15, 2002, The Forward claimed that the FBI had concluded that the van's driver, Paul Kurzberg, and his brother Sivan, were indeed Mossad operatives, who were in America "spying on local Arabs".[64] ABC news cited this report on June 21, 2002, adding that the FBI had concluded that the five Israelis had no foreknowledge of the attacks ...


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2012-08-15 11:46:18 PM  

Virtual Pariah: thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?

Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family and instead has a democratic government, and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away, so that's good, and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).

No it's not.

I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.


As long as it sits atop significant vital resources, involvement is unavoidable.
 
2012-08-15 11:48:00 PM  

RanDomino: and still the victim.



Who said they're the victim? There you go again with your own persecution complex


snowshovel: Well, I don't think that killing innocents is ever justified, but if you seriously believe that people would willingly fly airplanes into buildings "because they hate our freedom" then you have an everly simplistic view of the world and how actions can build to unforseen side effects.



Well that was my point, maybe you should read what I said again.


BojanglesPaladin: Well I honestly hope he's not dead. But I don't honestly miss him carpet bombing Israel threads. But it would still be an improvement over ICBM's feeble attempts.


Funny how you can't debate one thing I said but you label my comments "feeble"

Broad childish generalizations are fun, but don't call you a troll.
 
2012-08-15 11:49:35 PM  

RanDomino: And therefore Israel gets a free pass to do whatever evil they want just up to the point of being as evil as the most evil other country. Proportionally, what does that mean? Israel gets one free rape of every Arab? Maybe the government should print voucher cards, "redeem for one free rape"; just as long as it's not quite as bad as everything that America's ever done cumulatively.



What's with your obsession about rape? I think it's quite obvious who has the persecution complex here.

The point I made was simple, you're going off on an emo tangent because your hatred blinds you
 
2012-08-15 11:50:51 PM  

thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?

Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family and instead has a democratic government, and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away, so that's good, and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).


Iraq now has instead an increasingly corrupt government which hasn't done squat for its people.
Afghanis are waiting till we're gone to reinstate the Taliban because they've already done it once and they're notorious for not liking puppet regimes.

So that's only good by comparison, I guess.
 
2012-08-15 11:52:48 PM  

Virtual Pariah: Puts down Beer. Thinks for a minute.

Well, if it's only 500 Israelis, then go ahead.
Just don't expect the US to bleed for you. I think the populace is sick to death of the ME being a headache to the rest of the world. If you want to kill each other, by all means, do so.
Just leave us out of it.

Would gladly fence off the whole area and just deal with whomever is left after you all are done.
Even if all that was left was a glass parking lot, at least it'd be quiet.



How ironic considering America has involved itself in the ME for decades because it needs cheap oil to fuel its economy.

Yeah, just leave poor America out of it. Let them overthrow regimes and create puppet states and suck the dick of Saudi princes! How dare you get angry at that!
 
2012-08-15 11:56:24 PM  

thunderbird8804: Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family



A crime family put in place, armed and funded by America, how ironic


thunderbird8804: and instead has a democratic government



A Democratic government that oppresses minority Muslims?


thunderbird8804: and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away



Another bizarre wtf moment. Do you pay attention at all?


thunderbird8804: and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).



Says the guy trying to play off Iraq and Afghanistan as peaceful thriving democracies.
 
2012-08-15 11:58:49 PM  
Virtual Pariah
I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.


Let me know if merely having an opinion ever changes anything.
 
2012-08-16 12:03:45 AM  
Can they just go glass parking lot each other already?

The Islamists seem like crazy mid-east redneck fundamentalists that seem to take every opportunity to act like religious nut jobs.

And the Israeli Zionists seem to keep ebbing closer and closer to the "you become what you fear the most" school of international policy.

All of of this, at least ostensibly over control of the armpit of the earth with the dubious "God told me it so it's true" excuse.

Just farking nuke the shiat outta each other already, everybody gets to go to heaven, nobody gets to occupy any of that crappy piece of god forsaken earth. And hell, maybe it'll have the benefit of pushing more non-fossil fuel energy sources as access to oil in that region (what it's about for the rest of the world) would be mostly cut off.

/WIN WIN WIN
 
2012-08-16 12:05:36 AM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: "you become what you fear the most"



Just like Hitler amiright?
 
2012-08-16 12:05:49 AM  

Virtual Pariah: thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?

Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family and instead has a democratic government, and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away, so that's good, and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).

No it's not.

I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.


Two posts ago...

Virtual Pariah: Would gladly fence off the whole area and just deal with whomever is left after you all are done.
Even if all that was left was a glass parking lot, at least it'd be quiet.


What you said you wanted was a whole lot of people to die, I guess so you can have some peace of mind. The old Kissinger plan is really good at that, and doesn't involve much money or effort (and doesn't use any US troops, double bonus!). Really all you have to do is give the CIA a few million dollars and let them run rampant without any oversight and overnight you have mass graves filled to overflowing with those no good middle easterners.
 
2012-08-16 12:06:35 AM  
It is a good day to die.
 
2012-08-16 12:07:06 AM  
i1172.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-16 12:13:40 AM  
i1172.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-16 12:29:34 AM  

intelligent comment below: Serious Post on Serious Thread: "you become what you fear the most"


Just like Hitler amiright?


why ever would that association come into your mind?

/unless it rings true amirite?
 
2012-08-16 12:34:56 AM  

thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?

Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family and instead has a democratic government, and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away, so that's good, and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).

No it's not.

I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.

Two posts ago...

Virtual Pariah: Would gladly fence off the whole area and just deal with whomever is left after you all are done.
Even if all that was left was a glass parking lot, at least it'd be quiet.

What you said you wanted was a whole lot of people to die, I guess so you can have some peace of mind. The old Kissinger plan is really good at that, and doesn't involve much money or effort (and doesn't use any US troops, double bonus!). Really all you have to do is give the CIA a few million dollars and let them run rampant without any oversight and overnight you have mass graves filled to overflowing with those no good middle easterners.



Way to twist intent.

I said I don't want americans to die for the ME. I did not say that I wanted a whole lot of anybody to die. I am saying that if the fighting in inevitable, I don't want american lives to be lost.

If the only way to stop americans from dying in a war that seems to be a ME issue only, then yes, I would gladly fence off the area until it's over and deal with the winner.

At no point did I use the phrase "No Good Middle Easterners", If the people of the ME choose to live in peace without this endless fighting, I would be fine with that too.

I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.

I'm sorry you can't understand that sentiment.
 
2012-08-16 12:39:08 AM  

RanDomino: Virtual Pariah
I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.

Let me know if merely having an opinion ever changes anything.


Are you doing anything about it?
Are you furthering your beliefs posting here?
 
2012-08-16 12:52:05 AM  

Virtual Pariah: Way to twist intent.

I said I don't want americans to die for the ME. I did not say that I wanted a whole lot of anybody to die. I am saying that if the fighting in inevitable, I don't want american lives to be lost.

If the only way to stop americans from dying in a war that seems to be a ME issue only, then yes, I would gladly fence off the area until it's over and deal with the winner.

At no point did I use the phrase "No Good Middle Easterners", If the people of the ME choose to live in peace without this endless fighting, I would be fine with that too.

I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.

I'm sorry you can't understand that sentiment.


mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com

Good luck.
 
2012-08-16 12:56:42 AM  

Hobodeluxe: DidyoumeanDark: Can we finally agree thar religion as a whole is the problem here? Please let us just start there.
Without religion, why do we fight?

resources? land?


Well sure. But the reason there are two sides to fight over those are because of religion.
 
2012-08-16 01:05:16 AM  
Most of you are tools. Israel has said nothing about occupying, stabilizing, and rebuilding Iran. They just want to destroy the nuclear capabilities of Iran. This means go in kill destroy leave. Nothing about hanging around and experiencing Persian hospitality, more gold columns now! They estimate I month, 500 dead. I'd guess more like 3 weeks, 200 dead. Having experienced 1st hand the capabilities of Muslim muj I'm unimpressed. Granted Israel was not too impressive in their last outing. So maybe 1k dead, 3 times wounded. Not too bad if YOU BELIEVE IT WILL WARD OFF ANOTHER HOLOCAUST. It's amazing to me how many of you think our opinions or thoughts on a subject matter. If Israel thinks Iran is getting nukes for the purpose of wiping them out, then Israel will attack inspite of all your snippy, asinine, pretentious comments. Your opinions matter less than 1/2 a poop.
 
2012-08-16 01:09:06 AM  

thunderbird8804:

[mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com image 540x650]

Good luck.


Which you have already tied into the prior Kissinger plans, so that cause and effect has been established.

If I understand correctly.
Our 9/11 was supposedly because of the 1st Gulf war(OBL claimed it was) which was the unintended result of us arming IRAQ against IRAN.

So once again, my belief in non-involvement in the ME would have held up in the past (No Iran/Iraq issues), and in the instance of Israel vs Iran we would still be in a better place if we did not get involved.
 
2012-08-16 01:13:07 AM  

M11618: . Your opinions matter less than 1/2 a poop.


Of course they don't. But spirited discussion is about all we have.
This is way out of out bailiwick.
 
2012-08-16 01:13:29 AM  

Virtual Pariah: Which you have already tied into the prior Kissinger plans, so that cause and effect has been established.


9/11 had not a thing to do with Kissinger, or any previous administrations policies, it happened because Bin Laden and his goons are fanatically faithful, and thoroughly nihilistic.
 
2012-08-16 01:17:30 AM  
Cheney-ize a war ?

Is that where you get to ride shotgun into it?
 
2012-08-16 01:17:42 AM  

M11618: Most of you are tools. Israel has said nothing about occupying, stabilizing, and rebuilding Iran. They just want to destroy the nuclear capabilities of Iran. This means go in kill destroy leave. Nothing about hanging around and experiencing Persian hospitality, more gold columns now! They estimate I month, 500 dead. I'd guess more like 3 weeks, 200 dead. Having experienced 1st hand the capabilities of Muslim muj I'm unimpressed. Granted Israel was not too impressive in their last outing. So maybe 1k dead, 3 times wounded. Not too bad if YOU BELIEVE IT WILL WARD OFF ANOTHER HOLOCAUST. It's amazing to me how many of you think our opinions or thoughts on a subject matter. If Israel thinks Iran is getting nukes for the purpose of wiping them out, then Israel will attack inspite of all your snippy, asinine, pretentious comments. Your opinions matter less than 1/2 a poop.


And yet here you are.
 
2012-08-16 01:25:47 AM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: why ever would that association come into your mind?

/unless it rings true amirite?



Assad killed more of his own people in the past year than Israel has ever killed Palestinians. But Israel is becoming like Hitler, of course it's true.
 
2012-08-16 01:26:37 AM  

Virtual Pariah: I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.



What is the gas mileage of your car? Do you have solar panels on your roof? Do you run ac or heat 24/7?
 
2012-08-16 01:27:03 AM  

thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Way to twist intent.

I said I don't want americans to die for the ME. I did not say that I wanted a whole lot of anybody to die. I am saying that if the fighting in inevitable, I don't want american lives to be lost.

If the only way to stop americans from dying in a war that seems to be a ME issue only, then yes, I would gladly fence off the area until it's over and deal with the winner.

At no point did I use the phrase "No Good Middle Easterners", If the people of the ME choose to live in peace without this endless fighting, I would be fine with that too.

I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.

I'm sorry you can't understand that sentiment.

[mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com image 540x650]

Good luck.


Indeed. We have been meddling in the affairs of the middle east since beforee the cold war. After WW2 it only intensified. To think that "they" hate us for our freedoms is derptastic. A few religious extremists hate us for that. But the majority of "they" hate us for things like Israel, the Shah of Iran, then Saddam, the support of the Saudis, infidels stationed in Saudi Arabia, and a lot Im surely forgetting.
 
2012-08-16 01:30:28 AM  

thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Way to twist intent.

I said I don't want americans to die for the ME. I did not say that I wanted a whole lot of anybody to die. I am saying that if the fighting in inevitable, I don't want american lives to be lost.

If the only way to stop americans from dying in a war that seems to be a ME issue only, then yes, I would gladly fence off the area until it's over and deal with the winner.

At no point did I use the phrase "No Good Middle Easterners", If the people of the ME choose to live in peace without this endless fighting, I would be fine with that too.

I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.

I'm sorry you can't understand that sentiment.

[mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com image 540x650]

Good luck.


And the US has yet to go after the Saudis for it.
 
2012-08-16 01:30:43 AM  

thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Which you have already tied into the prior Kissinger plans, so that cause and effect has been established.

9/11 had not a thing to do with Kissinger, or any previous administrations policies, it happened because Bin Laden and his goons are fanatically faithful, and thoroughly nihilistic.


I'm only going by the stated reasons. My understanding, based on the old OBL cave tapes, was that he was acting against the US for our actions in the 1st gulf war. (Something about we should have not even placed foot in the area.)

So, I'm just trying to make some sense of it based on the history of the area. The US armed Iran during the Shah's leadership. We backed Iraq as a counterweight when Iran had a governmental shift. That was US policy.

Iraq, who had been strengthened since their issues with Iran, invaded Kuwait.

The US led a coalition to take back Kuwait. (OBL claimed we should not have done that.)

OBL struck us in retaliation (weather that is the real reason, who knows. I agree they were fanatics, but something set them off seeing as we trained OBL in Afghanistan, it is safe to say he was considered an asset at one time.)

So either, the ME is full of fanatics, (which we would be best avoiding) or US policy over the decades caused a retaliatory strike against us (which would not have happened if we stayed non-involved)

Now we are talking about Israel and Iran. Once again, we have a choice. Do we get involved, (lots of lobby money would like to see us advocate for Israel, which in turn would make us susceptible to another retaliatory strike), do we advocate for Iran, (whose people don't know what to make of the US, but whose government knows that keeping us as an external enemy keeps them in power),or do we let this happen without any US interference (my belief).
 
2012-08-16 01:34:28 AM  

intelligent comment below: Virtual Pariah: I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.


What is the gas mileage of your car? Do you have solar panels on your roof? Do you run ac or heat 24/7?


Honestly, what is your point?

I get the oil situation. But we have dealt with other countries in a business setting w/o trying to interfere with their government.
 
2012-08-16 01:38:43 AM  

Virtual Pariah: intelligent comment below: Virtual Pariah: I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.


What is the gas mileage of your car? Do you have solar panels on your roof? Do you run ac or heat 24/7?

Honestly, what is your point?

I get the oil situation. But we have dealt with other countries in a business setting w/o trying to interfere with their government.



And you think OPEC will say okay when America tells them to raise or lower production to manipulate prices? Or not sell more to China?

America has been addicted to cheap oil for decades, that requires it to meddle in the Middle East.

Either change your ridiculous consumption or don't be shocked when you have to send troops to enforce your demands on unwilling nations.

15 of the 17 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi nationals.
 
2012-08-16 02:04:27 AM  
...In my humble opinion, in the nuclear world, the true enemy is war itself.

-Major T. J. "King" Kong in THE DAY AFTER


/getting an uneasy feeling the decision has already been made.
 
2012-08-16 02:04:51 AM  

Virtual Pariah: So either, the ME is full of fanatics, (which we would be best avoiding) or US policy over the decades caused a retaliatory strike against us (which would not have happened if we stayed non-involved)


Or the Middle East has various flavors of fanatic engaged in a civil war with one another, with lots of innocent people caught in the middle, and we find ourselves participating in this civil war, partially because we were drawn into it, and partially because of the debt we owe to those innocent people for the failings of our past foreign policy.
 
2012-08-16 02:07:21 AM  

intelligent comment below: Serious Post on Serious Thread: why ever would that association come into your mind?

/unless it rings true amirite?


Assad killed more of his own people in the past year than Israel has ever killed Palestinians. But Israel is becoming like Hitler, of course it's true.


Ah, the old "But we've killed less defense", always a classic.

You clearly missed the point of my entire Boobies. To be clear, I'm a recovering catholic/atheist, living in America and of mostly European decent. I live in NY, many friends and gf-s have been/are Jewish, not many muslims that I know of, but I don't really ask either. I really really don't give a fark over all about the mideast EXCEPT it keeps spilling over into my news cycles and economic well being and mental health.

It's just asinine.

Look, if I actually try and conjure some metaphor for what the hell is going on in the ME, it's like if after some farked up war where atheists were nearly exterminated, the world decided to carve out a chunk of Mississippi, displace the native inhabitants, and create a well armed Atheist state. It'd suck I guess, to be surrounded by red neck fundamentalists bent on killing you, and I'd want to defend myself by all means necessary. But if it kept dragging in the rest of the world mostly because there was a lot of oil there, and the ongoing schism was based on religion, I think I'd say 'fark it'. Either go nuclear or piss off.

And seriously, the ME crap is infinitely worse b/c it's based on thousands of years of BS religious infighting. I'm just tired of it, hearing about it, feeling shiatty it is happening as a human, knowing I play a part as an American who simultaneously feeds the death monster that ya'll created with my countryman and sending my tax dollars there to continue it and propping up fossil fuel scumbag corporations.

I know you really REALLY want this to be about the poor trod upon jews and the evil evil muslims, but I just don't care anymore. farking end it in holy Armageddon or STFU and act like decent humans.

/my guess, from your 'but they're worse' line of reasoning is GLASS PARKING LOT FTW
 
2012-08-16 02:11:35 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Captain_Ballbeard


There were some tweaks to the commenting feature today, and as with any changes, glitches happen.

Meg has been working at fixing the glitches, but if you're still have problems with quote button please post a farkback.

There's also a thread in TFD about the changes.
 
2012-08-16 02:22:39 AM  
Will the troops be home by Christmas?
 
2012-08-16 02:24:45 AM  
Nuke Israel. Problems solved.
 
2012-08-16 02:24:48 AM  

Porous Horace: Awaiting the usuals.


I usually get ice cream first.
 
2012-08-16 02:27:28 AM  
It's getting hard to tell the trolls apart from the bigots.
 
2012-08-16 02:47:29 AM  

Bucky Katt: It's getting hard to tell the trolls apart from the bigots.


The bigots tend to be pro-Apartheid. The white South African Govt couldn't find many friends as it clung to power in the 80s, Israel was happy to be a chum. Birds of a feather flocking or just Israel picking up some tips on race based partition and slow grinding genocide?
 
2012-08-16 03:29:52 AM  
Dang. As ugly threads go, this one's a 2x4 in the face. And it wasn't a pretty face to begin with.
 
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