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2012-08-15 08:46:20 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Not entirely. There are plenty of People who would loudly denounce this if it was happening in South America or Africa, but turn a blind eye when it happens in Isreal. They convince themselves that it's not that bad, or it's somehow different.

Look at apartheid. Day in and day out over and over we had news coverage about what was happening in some country most people had never hear of. We ALL denounced that, but somehow, the same thing doesn't even warrant coverage when it happens in Isreal. Because it's.... Different.



Yeah, the world is really turning a blind eye to what Israel is apparently doing. It's just as bad as not only the Nazi's but South African apartheid! Honest!
 
2012-08-15 08:46:45 PM  
Hey Israel.

Do it. Start a war. Warmongers get all the girls.

Dooo eeeett
 
2012-08-15 08:47:42 PM  
 
2012-08-15 08:48:05 PM  

Hobodeluxe: intelligent comment below: Captain_Ballbeard: Yes, I am sure that right now Saudi and American lobbyists are trucking money into the Knesset in an effort to get Israel to act against her own interests.


A non nuclear Iran is certainly in Israel's existence, but Saudi Arabia holds all the purse strings.


WeenerGord: I read that Jewish traders were big in the slave trade, that they owned many slave ships and financed others, and promoted the slave trade, because it was profitable, and that they also owned slaves. Is diaspora another world for colonialism? Sorry you cant accept the truth


I read that same Stormfront news story too

it's in the Bible, what to pay for them,how to treat them etc...


Are you saying that the Bible supports Aryan Superiority?!? You fascist!
 
2012-08-15 08:49:13 PM  

Hobodeluxe: it's in the Bible, what to pay for them,how to treat them etc...



I knew I read it somewhere.
 
2012-08-15 08:49:32 PM  
intelligent comment below
I was comparing the actions of countries

Well that's bullshiat.
 
2012-08-15 08:49:47 PM  

RanDomino: intelligent comment below
What does Israel do to the Palestinians? Mass murder amiright?

I know you won't watch this, or you don't care, or it's not really a problem, or some other bullshiat excuse; but, for the rest of you who have some shred of basic decency, here's an illustration of what life is like for thousands of Palestinians, and for hundreds of thousands more lesser only in immediacy.


You got it right in your first sentence.
 
2012-08-15 08:50:42 PM  

WeenerGord: Hobodeluxe: it's in the Bible, what to pay for them,how to treat them etc...


I knew I read it somewhere.


it's in the Torah too



It is permissible to work a non-Jewish servant harshly. Yet, although this is the law, the way of the pious and the wise is to be compassionate and to pursue justice, not to overburden or oppress a servant, and to provide them from every dish and every drink.

The early sages would give their servants from every dish on their table. They would feed their animals and their servants before sitting to their own meals. Does it not say (Psalms 123:2), "As the eyes of the servant to the hand of his master; as the eyes of the maid to her mistress [so our eyes are towards the L-rd our G-d...]"?

So, too, you should not denigrate a servant, neither physically nor verbally. The Torah made him your servant to do work, not to be disgraced. Do not treat him with constant screaming and anger, rather speak with him pleasantly and listen to his complaints. Such were the good ways in which Job took pride when he said, "Did I ever despise the judgment of my servant and my maid when they argued with me? Did not my Maker make him, too, in the belly; did not the same One form us both in the womb?"

For anger and cruelty are only found among other nations. The children of Abraham, our father--and they are Israel, to whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has provided the goodness of Torah and commanded us righteous judgments and statutes--they are compassionate to all. This is one of the attributes of the Holy One, blessed be He, that we are commanded to emulate (Psalms 145:9): "And He has compassion for all He has made."

Furthermore, all who have compassion will be treated compassionately, as was stated (Deuteronomy 13:18), "He will give you compassion and He will have compassion upon you and multiply you."

(Mishneh Torah, Laws of Indentured Servants, 9:8)
 
2012-08-15 08:50:57 PM  
Israel begins to Cheney-ize a war with Iran: "It will last a month and only kill 500 Israelis"

I only hope the Israeli people aren't as stupid as we were 10 years ago. I remember all the chickenhawks that used to post Neville Chamberlain pictures here back then.

The young people in both countries need to use social networking to make a Christmas Truce, or something.

nekulor: I would hate to see the kind of insurgency the revolutionary guard could wage. It would make Iraq and Afghanistan look like a Sunday picnic in the park.


If there's only one thing in this world that could revitalize the Islamic Republic's regime in Iran, it's a war.
 
2012-08-15 08:53:03 PM  

dervish16108: Israel begins to Cheney-ize a war with Iran: "It will last a month and only kill 500 Israelis"

I only hope the Israeli people aren't as stupid as we were 10 years ago. I remember all the chickenhawks that used to post Neville Chamberlain pictures here back then.

The young people in both countries need to use social networking to make a Christmas Truce, or something.

nekulor: I would hate to see the kind of insurgency the revolutionary guard could wage. It would make Iraq and Afghanistan look like a Sunday picnic in the park.

If there's only one thing in this world that could revitalize the Islamic Republic's regime in Iran, it's a war.


the whole region is unsettled right now. all it could take is a spark.
 
2012-08-15 08:55:06 PM  

mab1823: Which 500?


Cheney gets to pick 'em.
 
2012-08-15 08:55:23 PM  
I don't know about that but Israel will completely wreck Iran in a war.
 
2012-08-15 08:55:58 PM  
It sounds good, but I'm looking for something with gas mileage and style. Do you have World War Three in a luxury sports edition?
 
2012-08-15 08:57:11 PM  

Hobodeluxe: (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Indentured Servants, 9:8)


So jews had slaves for 5000 years, Americans...some Americans...had slaves for 400 years, and Americans are devils, and Jews are saints?

It must be..Tradition!
 
2012-08-15 08:57:39 PM  
dervish16108
I only hope the Israeli people aren't as stupid as we were 10 years ago. I remember all the chickenhawks that used to post Neville Chamberlain pictures here back then.

That war is already down the memory hole. The conventional wisdom is that it ended well, if a little vaguely. Any contradictory news (such as the periodic coordinated suicide bomb attacks that kill dozens or hundreds of people) are sent to a little paragraph on page c-8.
 
2012-08-15 09:02:31 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Don't forget Russia.
We can kick of Revelations if we do this right, and hopefully all those preachy Christians and the rest of God's People will get Raptured away and leave the rest of us in peace.


Ya know, if it costs just 500 Israelis and 60,000 end-times media preachers and assorted snake-handlers, I'm fine with declaring victory at that point and taking our ball and going home.
 
2012-08-15 09:02:42 PM  

RanDomino: intelligent comment below
What does Israel do to the Palestinians? Mass murder amiright?

I know you won't watch this, or you don't care, or it's not really a problem, or some other bullshiat excuse; but, for the rest of you who have some shred of basic decency, here's an illustration of what life is like for thousands of Palestinians, and for hundreds of thousands more lesser only in immediacy.



So basically just like living on a Native American reservation?
 
2012-08-15 09:02:51 PM  
Nations fight wars because they believe they must. The major powers are using countries like Iran and NorK as pawns to play power games, instead of taking action to stabilize them. Policy change in Russia and Iran would become tamer, same thing with PRC and NorK. But world power politics won't allow that, so it may happen that Israel comes to believe that they must take out Iran, whatever the outcome.

As for calculating the cost, that is always just grist for the media that no one who is sensible believes. It costs what it costs, and the only thing worse than the cost of winning is the cost of losing. The Jews had no state and no instrumentality to enforce their will for over 1800 years, and it's a more deeply ingrained lesson than with some.

"War is a series of disasters ending in victory." - Georges Clemenceau
 
2012-08-15 09:06:02 PM  

Hobodeluxe: it's in the Torah too



And it's also in the Christian Bible. And what does any of that have to do with the claim the slave trade in America was run by Jews?


WeenerGord: So jews had slaves for 5000 years, Americans...some Americans...had slaves for 400 years, and Americans are devils, and Jews are saints?

It must be..Tradition!



You're the people trying to paint Jews and Israel as the devil while their actions were not close to worse than any other country. Don't project your insecurities on anyone else but yourself.
 
2012-08-15 09:07:30 PM  

randomjsa: I don't know about that but Israel will completely wreck Iran in a war.


This demonstrates a level of ignorance heretofore unknown to science.
 
2012-08-15 09:09:08 PM  

intelligent comment below: You're the people trying to paint Jews and Israel as the devil while their actions were not close to worse than any other country. Don't project your insecurities on anyone else but yourself.


You said israel was a saint and and angel, and better than everyone else in the entire world, because other people had slaves, but Israel had slaves the longest. So maybe you are the one who is projecting.
 
2012-08-15 09:10:22 PM  

shkkmo: Also, what happens after 30 days that causes the conflict to end?

What does isreal do say "We blew up all your equipment and factories and stuff. We're chill now right?" Assume that isreal does manage to decimate Iran's army to such an extent that Iran can't wage 'proper' war after 30 days... doesn't this just mean they now have for face an intense suicide bombing and shelling campaign?

Thats really the thing I don't get about the whole "Invade Iran" thing: how can it possibly end in a good way?


it doesn't and i imagine there will be some chaos across the whole region...
 
2012-08-15 09:12:23 PM  

WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: You're the people trying to paint Jews and Israel as the devil while their actions were not close to worse than any other country. Don't project your insecurities on anyone else but yourself.

You said israel was a saint and and angel, and better than everyone else in the entire world, because other people had slaves, but Israel had slaves the longest. So maybe you are the one who is projecting.


You know how you can sing the shower all you want because no one is hearing you anyway?
 
2012-08-15 09:12:23 PM  
Israel, one of only four nations on earth that refuses to sign and abide by the NPT, but they got the balls to whine about somebody else's nuclear program.


/bye bye now, have fun storming the castle
 
2012-08-15 09:14:47 PM  

Magnanimous_J: My prediction: WWIII kills a billion people.


And WWIV will be fought with clubs and sticks.
 
2012-08-15 09:16:34 PM  

WeenerGord: You said israel was a saint and and angel, and better than everyone else in the entire world



I said nothing of the sort, but keep telling yourself that


WeenerGord: because other people had slaves, but Israel had slaves the longest. So maybe you are the one who is projecting.



Israel had slaves the longest? WUT? So not only are you ignorant of current events but of history too. Good one
 
2012-08-15 09:17:41 PM  

Virulency: i imagine there will be some chaos across the whole region...


And that is preferable to the current 'cold' stalemate, how?
 
2012-08-15 09:17:43 PM  

2000ants: Israel, one of only four nations on earth that refuses to sign and abide by the NPT, but they got the balls to whine about somebody else's nuclear program.


/bye bye now, have fun storming the castle



Yes, actually, they do have the balls. Unlike America they only attack countries when directly threatened.
 
2012-08-15 09:20:30 PM  

signaljammer: shkkmo
'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

//root
//word


And the 9/10 of the "decimated" Roman military squad had to do the deed. Would suck to be either one of the living or of the 1/10 dead.
 
2012-08-15 09:20:48 PM  
Israel: Iran has nuclear power plants!!!!

The world: so? they signed the NPT and allow inspections

Israel: But they want to build illegal nukes!!!!

The world: You have illegal nukes

Israel: But,but holocaust!!!
 
2012-08-15 09:21:14 PM  

intelligent comment below: So then 9/11 was justified based on the history of America dealing with the rest of the world?


it pretty much was, you know that, right?

we have been overthrowing, manipulating, murdering and instigating over there for the better part of 75 years, of course they will hate us.
 
2012-08-15 09:22:33 PM  

IoSaturnalia: Virulency: i imagine there will be some chaos across the whole region...

And that is preferable to the current 'cold' stalemate, how?


other than lost lives and treasure?
 
2012-08-15 09:23:15 PM  

SirHolo: signaljammer: shkkmo
'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

//root
//word


And here I thought it meant to have sex with every tenth soldier.
 
2012-08-15 09:23:36 PM  

Lehk: intelligent comment below: So then 9/11 was justified based on the history of America dealing with the rest of the world?

it pretty much was, you know that, right?

we have been overthrowing, manipulating, murdering and instigating over there for the better part of 75 years, of course they will hate us.



So you admit how much worse the actions of America has been compared to Israel?
 
2012-08-15 09:24:22 PM  

intelligent comment below: Israel done that can be classified worse than that?


Depleted Uranium (toxin, carcinogen, teratogen) in mortars and white phosphorus strikes on civillians.

also running over civilians with tanks and bulldozers.
 
2012-08-15 09:25:11 PM  

WizardofToast: Yeah. A month. With minimal losses. And all of the Iranian citizens will gladly take this invasion and overthrow, the neighboring countries will be pretty chill with the whole thing happening and and a pig will fly right over the fireworks of the day of victory. No short-term or long-term effects, nosirree.


How did they score a Pink Floyd Reunion concert. I thought that'd never happen!
 
2012-08-15 09:28:51 PM  

RanDomino:


Boudica's War Tampon
Iran used those weapons in a war against Iraq.

[[citation needed]]



In a declassified report from 1990 (DST-1620S-464-90, dated 15 March 1990), the Defense Intelligence Agency reported that "Iran used chemical weapons late in the war, but never as extensively or successfully as Iraq."

Additionally, it isn't important how often they used CW before. Iran has referred to CW and other weapons of mass destruction as the poor man's nuclear bomb. Syria has these weapons supplied to them by Iran. Since Israel has built nuclear weapons, I have no doubt Iran has developed alternatives, has used them in the Iraq war, has supplied them to countries such as Syria and will no doubt use them if Israel attacks Iran. And I don't blame them at all for doing so.
 
2012-08-15 09:30:40 PM  

Lehk: intelligent comment below: Israel done that can be classified worse than that?

Depleted Uranium (toxin, carcinogen, teratogen) in mortars and white phosphorus strikes on civillians.

also running over civilians with tanks and bulldozers.



These are ammo used by America, you're confused.

And how many civilians are killed by tanks and bulldozers? I'd like numbers and proof this is a tactic to kill them.
 
2012-08-15 09:31:20 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: SirHolo: signaljammer: shkkmo
'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

//root
//word

And here I thought it meant to have sex with every tenth soldier.



It doesn't specifically say that you can't, so....

/before or after you kill them?
 
2012-08-15 09:33:13 PM  

WeenerGord: BojanglesPaladin: SirHolo: signaljammer: shkkmo
'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

//root
//word

And here I thought it meant to have sex with every tenth soldier.


It doesn't specifically say that you can't, so....

/before or after you kill them?


And THAT is where the phrase 'Centurion's choice' comes from.
 
2012-08-15 09:35:47 PM  

intelligent comment below: Derp, hurr, derpa derp


i wonder if Professer Tom Lehrer was jewish? He kinda looks jewish. Love his work though!
 
2012-08-15 09:36:30 PM  
Israel 176,500 active soldiers 565,000 reserve 8,050 paramilitary

Iran 523,000 active soldiers 1,800,000 reserve 1,510,000 paramilitary
 
2012-08-15 09:36:36 PM  

intelligent comment below: 2000ants: Israel, one of only four nations on earth that refuses to sign and abide by the NPT, but they got the balls to whine about somebody else's nuclear program.


/bye bye now, have fun storming the castle


Yes, actually, they do have the balls. Unlike America they only attack countries when directly threatened.



Well since your advocating we attack countries with clandestine nuclear programs, why shouldn't the rest of the world see your clandestine nuclear program as a threat to stability and forcefully remove it, like you want the block's bully to do for you in Iran?
 
2012-08-15 09:38:12 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: And THAT is where the phrase 'Centurion's choice' comes from.


LOL!
 
2012-08-15 09:38:15 PM  
Please end needless war.

Thank you.
 
2012-08-15 09:40:34 PM  
Cheney-ize a war? What does that mean?

The losers have to legalize gay marriage?
 
2012-08-15 09:40:36 PM  
Oh yeah, then we can start looking back fondly at cheap $4/gal gas.
 
2012-08-15 09:42:13 PM  
God I hope their right wing lunatics get them into a war that ruins their country. All it would take for that landmass is one good dirty bomb.
 
2012-08-15 09:42:15 PM  
intelligent comment below
So basically just like living on a Native American reservation?

I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I

So you admit how much worse the actions of America has been compared to Israel?

And therefore Israel gets a free pass to do whatever evil they want just up to the point of being as evil as the most evil other country. Proportionally, what does that mean? Israel gets one free rape of every Arab? Maybe the government should print voucher cards, "redeem for one free rape"; just as long as it's not quite as bad as everything that America's ever done cumulatively.

You're the people trying to paint Jews and Israel as the devil while their actions were not close to worse than any other country. Don't project your insecurities on anyone else but yourself.

Poor, poor, repressed Israel. Manipulated, defeated, and/or overthrown every regional rival and with the world's only superpower in its back pocket, and still the victim.
 
2012-08-15 09:44:32 PM  
Obama has yet to find a nation of brown people he won't bomb.

Once he is down 5 points in the polls.... Goodnight.
 
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