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(BBC)   Israel begins to Cheney-ize a war with Iran: "It will last a month and only kill 500 Israelis"   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 413
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2012-08-15 06:33:55 PM
And everyone will get free ice cream.
 
2012-08-15 06:34:34 PM
and ponies.
 
2012-08-15 06:34:43 PM
and I never inhale

/ or swallow
 
2012-08-15 06:35:03 PM
This will end well.
 
2012-08-15 06:35:52 PM
Do it, you farks, and drag the US in on it too. Let's burn this motherfarker down.
 
2012-08-15 06:36:16 PM
you guys run with that.
 
2012-08-15 06:38:06 PM
mmm cookies
 
2012-08-15 06:38:33 PM
I love the smell of WWIII in the morning.
 
2012-08-15 06:38:37 PM
I feel like Obama won't have a hard time saying "No you guys go, we're good"

Romney, on the other hand, won't be able to jump onboard fast enough.
 
2012-08-15 06:38:37 PM
Which 500?
 
2012-08-15 06:38:37 PM
It will also pay for itself with Iranian oil revenues and the Iranian people will greet you as liberators.


Looks like Israel is slowly coming to the cold realization that the US is kinda busy right now, militarily speaking, and this president isn't going to be double-dog dared into a war with Iran (and that he's gonna be the guy in charge for the next four years)

So now they are trying to pysche themselves into doing it on their own.

Bad Move. You all used to be the conference powerhouse what with the Six Day War and all, but your most recent game was an away game tie against a division IIA opponent (Hezbollah)
 
2012-08-15 06:38:39 PM
And they'll have no plan for the aftermath...
 
TWX
2012-08-15 06:38:39 PM
And people wonder why I actually can see some merit in One World Government from time time...
 
2012-08-15 06:38:50 PM
Will it pay for itself, and will they be greeted as liberators?
 
2012-08-15 06:39:10 PM
www.thejc.com
www.thejc.com
Begins?
 
2012-08-15 06:39:12 PM
Awaiting the usuals.
 
2012-08-15 06:39:32 PM
Activision is pestering Israel to start World War 3 because they need a new US involved war for their Call of Duty games
 
2012-08-15 06:39:47 PM
Israel goes to war with the army it has, not the army it wishes America had.
 
2012-08-15 06:39:54 PM
And 30,000 Americans
 
2012-08-15 06:40:00 PM
Israel 'prepared for 30-day war with Iran'

Well, shiat, they'd better hope that Iran isn't prepared for a 31 day war, or they're totally farked, now aren't they?
 
2012-08-15 06:40:05 PM
Do we get hummus?
 
2012-08-15 06:40:39 PM
Don't forget the throwing of the flowers and chocolates.
Airstream trailers for EVERYONE.
 
2012-08-15 06:40:50 PM
Don't forget Russia.
We can kick of Revelations if we do this right, and hopefully all those preachy Christians and the rest of God's People will get Raptured away and leave the rest of us in peace.
 
2012-08-15 06:41:35 PM
Are there Jewish unicorns? We'll need some of those, too.
 
2012-08-15 06:42:27 PM
FTA: "There is no room for hysteria," said the former general, who is stepping down at the end of August to become Israel's ambassador to China.

I read this as "There's no end of room for hysteria".
 
2012-08-15 06:42:44 PM
Good luck Israel, we in the United States are not interested in helping your in your pre-emptive strike.

We tried that once, and it failed. It cost us (and still is costing us) about 3 trillion dollars.
 
2012-08-15 06:42:49 PM
There has been a good deal of comment - some of it quite outlandish - about what our postwar requirements might be in Iraq. Some of the higher end predictions we have been hearing recently, such as the notion that it will take several hundred thousand U.S. troops to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq, are wildly off the mark. It is hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself and to secure the surrender of Saddam's security forces and his army - hard to imagine. --Paul Wolfowitz Feb 2003

/he was right about the figures being wrong. it took 1.5 million troops to "secure and hold" Iraq.
 
2012-08-15 06:42:53 PM
Also, what happens after 30 days that causes the conflict to end?

What does isreal do say "We blew up all your equipment and factories and stuff. We're chill now right?" Assume that isreal does manage to decimate Iran's army to such an extent that Iran can't wage 'proper' war after 30 days... doesn't this just mean they now have for face an intense suicide bombing and shelling campaign?

Thats really the thing I don't get about the whole "Invade Iran" thing: how can it possibly end in a good way?
 
2012-08-15 06:43:09 PM
We'll be greeted as liberators and with all that oil gas prices will plummet. I'm just afraid for the poor oil companies who won't make as much money with prices that low, we'll probably need to buff up their subsidies.

How did we get in this position, America? A country that's.. what... 70 years old? These guys have a stranglehold on us because ??? Let's let them send their sons and daughters to a war of choice if they want. We can't afford it.
 
2012-08-15 06:43:09 PM
I hope Romney wins so I can learn Farsi for the war with Iran that will last a decade and break the fiscal standing of the US even further! That would just be swell! Then Israel will know we support them and the Republican lawmakers can stop pandering to them like they are registered to vote in all elections everywhere in the entire US.
 
2012-08-15 06:43:23 PM
They'll be greeted as liberators, right?

RIGHT?
 
2012-08-15 06:45:01 PM
(Hands beer to US)
"Hey y'all ... watch this!"
 
2012-08-15 06:45:19 PM
I would hate to see the kind of insurgency the revolutionary guard could wage. It would make Iraq and Afghanistan look like a Sunday picnic in the park.
 
2012-08-15 06:46:06 PM
There has been a good deal of comment - some of it quite outlandish - about what our postwar requirements might be in Iraq. Some of the higher end predictions we have been hearing recently, such as the notion that it will take several hundred thousand U.S. troops to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq, are wildly off the mark. It is hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself and to secure the surrender of Saddam's security forces and his army - hard to imagine. --Paul Wolfowitz Feb 2003

It was funny then, now it's kinda sad.
 
2012-08-15 06:46:24 PM
Iran killed the quote button, I say we nuke those bastards.

Oh and that preview button needs to be nuked from orbit too.
 
2012-08-15 06:46:31 PM
I would say let the dumbass Israelis do it. But we'd get dragged into it one way or another. If it not Israel biting off more than it can chew then its going to at least be terrorists.
 
2012-08-15 06:47:00 PM
This has less to do with Iran getting a warhead anytime soon and more to do with influencing the US election - our election in Nov figures into just about every piece they are running in their media over there.

They sent their bagman, Adelson, over here with a billion dollars to ensure that the schwarze doesn't get a second term - all because Obama hasn't kissed their ass enough for stealing land and starving people to death.

Never again... will we be the ones on this side of the barbed wire.
 
2012-08-15 06:47:25 PM
More dick waving. Congratu*zzzzzzzzzzzzzz*.
 
2012-08-15 06:48:01 PM
The term is "cakewalk", people. Cake-walk.

/or it was; let's wait and see what new buzzword is thrown under the tank.
 
2012-08-15 06:48:02 PM

Mikey1969: Israel 'prepared for 30-day war with Iran'

Well, shiat, they'd better hope that Iran isn't prepared for a 31 day war, or they're totally farked, now aren't they?


That's what the 32 day 'Plan B' is for.
 
2012-08-15 06:48:16 PM
and ponies


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-15 06:48:41 PM
And 30,000 Americans

I am now depressed.
 
2012-08-15 06:51:08 PM
What the fark did Romney promise them during his visit?
 
2012-08-15 06:52:18 PM
Ah, it's the usual annual autumn neocon war-with-Iran frenzy a couple of weeks early.
 
2012-08-15 06:52:22 PM
Is this about that internet thing? Because I'm sure we could get the hotpersianchicksscrewingjewishdudes.ir server moved to Tel Aviv if Ahmedinerjacket pulls the plug on the Internet.
 
2012-08-15 06:52:28 PM
My prediction: WWIII kills a billion people.
 
2012-08-15 06:52:41 PM
shkkmo
"What does isreal do say "We blew up all your equipment and factories and stuff. We're chill now right?"

Funny I mentioned the same thing to a friend when discussing the current US wars.
 
2012-08-15 06:53:03 PM
God's chosen people don't need your approval.
If it threatens the Holy Land then it should be exterminated.
I can't believe so many people here are so anti-semetic.
You'll learn soon enough.
 
2012-08-15 06:53:24 PM
The nice thing about preemptive strikes, they never piss off the country attacked. The other country is all like "Ha, good one! You really got us that time."
 
2012-08-15 06:53:49 PM
Quote thingie not working. Dumasses ever hear of debugging?
 
2012-08-15 06:54:23 PM
Bubbarella

best part...................................forever
 
2012-08-15 06:55:07 PM
9/11 Israelis

In September 2001, The New York Times and Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that four hours after the attack, the FBI arrested five Israelis who had been filming the smoking skyline from the roof of a white van in the parking lot of an apartment building, for "puzzling behavior". They were charged with illegally residing in the United States and working there without permits. The Israelis were said to have been videotaping the disaster with what was interpreted as cries of "joy and mockery".[57][58] Police found the van and a search revealed $4,700 in cash hidden, along with foreign passports and a boxcutter which aroused suspicions and led to the detention of the occupants. The men were held in detention for more than 2 months, during which time they were subjected to interrogation and lie detector tests, before being deported back to Israel; one of the men (Paul Kurzberg) refused to take the test for 10 weeks, and then failed it.[59]

The five men worked at the company Urban Moving Systems, owned and operated by Dominick Suter. After the men were arrested the FBI searched their offices and questioned Suter, however Suter fled to Israel before he could be questioned further. Eventually, Suter's name appeared on the May 2002 FBI Suspect List, along with the September 11 hijackers and other suspected extremists.[60][not in citation given][61][62][63]

According to a former CIA chief of operations for counterterrorism Vince Cannistraro, there was speculation that Urban Moving Systems may have been a front for an intelligence operation investigating fund-raising networks channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad. On March 15, 2002, The Forward claimed that the FBI had concluded that the van's driver, Paul Kurzberg, and his brother Sivan, were indeed Mossad operatives, who were in America "spying on local Arabs".[64] ABC news cited this report on June 21, 2002, adding that the FBI had concluded that the five Israelis had no foreknowledge of the attacks.[65]

Link 


With friends like this...
 
2012-08-15 06:55:21 PM
Rich Cream:Quote thingie not working. Dumasses ever hear of debugging?

Drew isn't into debuggery.
 
2012-08-15 06:55:39 PM
Who green-lit this train-wreck of a headline?
 
2012-08-15 06:55:47 PM
img21.imageshack.us

/obscure?
 
2012-08-15 06:56:14 PM
What does isreal do say "We blew up all your equipment and factories and stuff. We're chill now right?" Assume that isreal does manage to decimate Iran's army to such an extent that Iran can't wage 'proper' war after 30 days... doesn't this just mean they now have for face an intense suicide bombing and shelling campaign?

I think that they'd have to cut Iran's army by more than a tenth in order to win.
 
2012-08-15 06:56:59 PM
OK, but will the hearts and minds of Iran be won? That's the main thing.
 
2012-08-15 06:57:26 PM
So Israel is willing to spread highly radioactive (they say so) material across southern and western Asia and kill a multitude of Jewish Iranians with bombs, and for what? To avoid the death of Jews and the spread of nuclear radioactivity?
 
2012-08-15 06:58:06 PM
moops
Good luck Israel, we in the United States are not interested in helping your in your pre-emptive strike.

We tried that once, and it failed. It cost us (and still is costing us) about 3 trillion dollars.


Restructuring the country to supplant domestic corporate control over their resources cost 3 trillion. I doubt the Israeil's have any interest other than killing muslims, which will be significantly cheaper.
 
2012-08-15 06:58:06 PM
I'd believe it. They'd probably start lobbing nukes in week two and want another 2 weeks before accepting a surrender.
 
2012-08-15 06:59:08 PM
shkkmo
'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

//root
//word
 
2012-08-15 07:00:04 PM
Izzy's been beating the war drums HARD (again) since ROMNEY! went on his ass-kissing mission to the Zionist State.

Noticed the price of fuel since then?

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

But it's worth every dollar it costs you if it will make Bibi less nervous.

AMIRITE?


This is more about influencing American politics (read DUMP OBAMA) than it is about anything Iran is doing.

Barry needs to grow some balls and throw down sanctions on Israel NOW.

Good times.
 
2012-08-15 07:00:33 PM
Of course, Iranian hatred of Israel is completely unfounded, it's not like Mossad helped build SAVAK and brutalize the Iranian people in the name of the Shah or anything. Nah.
 
2012-08-15 07:00:36 PM
well Syria and Egypt are in disarray. If they are going to do it they better do it before the elections. So they can help Romney win.
 
2012-08-15 07:00:58 PM
shkkmo: 'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

What about hexidecimate?
 
2012-08-15 07:01:22 PM
Wyalt Derp:
Will it pay for itself, and will they be greeted as liberators?


The Iranians will greet them with flowers, and it will all be over in time for Christmas.
 
2012-08-15 07:01:55 PM
Israel went out and got the nuclear bomb. Iran can't or won't.

So guess what weapon of mass destruction Iran will deploy? Chemical and biological. Probably from Syria.

Iran used those weapons in a war against Iraq.
 
2012-08-15 07:02:36 PM
Snarfangel:shkkmo: 'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

What about hexidecimate?


That would mean "kill every F'th" soldier.
 
2012-08-15 07:04:20 PM
Raoul Eaton: The Iranians will greet them with flowers, and it will all be over in time for Christmas.

Jews don't do x-mas.

Does this mean that the war will go on 'til all Jews convert?

/Harmageddon
 
2012-08-15 07:04:46 PM
"You only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down."- Adolf Hitler on the invasion of the Soviet Union
 
2012-08-15 07:04:52 PM
Captain_Ballbeard: Of course, Iranian hatred of Israel is completely unfounded, it's not like Mossad helped build SAVAK and brutalize the Iranian people in the name of the Shah or anything. Nah.

You know those kind of remarks around here means you hate Israel, worship Hitler and don't believe in the Holocaust, right?

/also why isn't my quote key working?
 
2012-08-15 07:05:32 PM
r1niceboy What the fark did Romney promise them during his visit?

Best wait until the check clears in November
 
2012-08-15 07:05:46 PM
Hobodeluxe: well Syria and Egypt are in disarray. If they are going to do it they better do it before the elections. So they can help Romney win.


Okay, he gets it.
 
2012-08-15 07:05:58 PM
The pragmatic and least costly solution to all this nonsense would be for the US to wipe out the illegal settlements. 20 minutes of airstrikes, problem solved.
 
2012-08-15 07:06:00 PM
Did you know Israel is deporting all of its African immigrants right now? Started on June 10th.

Google "Israel deport" and throw in the word "infiltrator" for extra fun
 
2012-08-15 07:06:23 PM
So they plan on killing their own people? I mean, if you are going to lie, you have to lie Big! No one will die, in fact, the Iranian army will turn around and take their own leadership captive once they see our flag on the horizon!
 
2012-08-15 07:06:26 PM
There is an awful lot of wool spread throughout this thread.
 
2012-08-15 07:06:43 PM
Iran has the largest and most diverse ballistic missile arsenal in the Middle East

Yes. They have missiles designed in both Photoshop AND Illustrator available in EPS, PDF, and JPG
 
2012-08-15 07:07:43 PM
Gee guys, can't we save this for the day crew.
 
2012-08-15 07:07:51 PM
Amos Quito
Izzy's been beating the war drums HARD (again) since ROMNEY! went on his ass-kissing mission to the Zionist State.

Noticed the price of fuel since then?

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

But it's worth every dollar it costs you if it will make Bibi less nervous.

AMIRITE?

This is more about influencing American politics (read DUMP OBAMA) than it is about anything Iran is doing.

Barry needs to grow some balls and throw down sanctions on Israel NOW.

Good times.


Obama needs a couple of months before he can grow any balls. The last time a President started pushing Israel to quit acting like a genocidal monster Lucianne Goldberg unleashed the Lewinsky "scandal". Clinton shut up about Israel.

And I think the Amirites were annihilated on God's orders in the Old Testament, so I don't see how they figure in.
 
2012-08-15 07:08:14 PM
Yeah. A month. With minimal losses. And all of the Iranian citizens will gladly take this invasion and overthrow, the neighboring countries will be pretty chill with the whole thing happening and and a pig will fly right over the fireworks of the day of victory. No short-term or long-term effects, nosirree.
 
2012-08-15 07:08:38 PM
Gyrfalcon

Captain_Ballbeard: Of course, Iranian hatred of Israel is completely unfounded, it's not like Mossad helped build SAVAK and brutalize the Iranian people in the name of the Shah or anything. Nah.

You know those kind of remarks around here means you hate Israel, worship Hitler and don't believe in the Holocaust, right?


OBVIOUSLY


/also why isn't my quote key working?



The Israeli cyber attack has begun.

They started with Fark.
 
2012-08-15 07:09:03 PM
jaytkay

Mass murder is the solution?
 
2012-08-15 07:11:31 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: Israel went out and got the nuclear bomb. Iran can't or won't.

So guess what weapon of mass destruction Iran will deploy? Chemical and biological. Probably from Syria.

Iran used those weapons in a war against Iraq.


Got that backwards, Iraq gassed Iran. And the Kurds just 'cause
 
2012-08-15 07:12:08 PM
signaljammer
shkkmo
'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

//root
//word


Decimate in its modern usage also means "to reduce drastically, especially in number".

/context and usage matter
//thanks, I still learned something
 
2012-08-15 07:13:56 PM
I just don't see this (conventional war with Iran) happening, at least not with Israel as the initial aggressor: I think Israel is too aware of its own geographical disadvantage when it comes to conventional war.

Look at the country on the map - it's one long eastern front with the sea at your back. Lots of wide open desert, with nowhere to run or hide. A perforated border with the Palestinians, who will rise up and fight for the other guy at first chance. Not to mention that something like 80-90% of the Israeli population and industrial base is concentrated into only three cities - so there is no hope for sustained conflict on Israel's part, as those cities will be struck early.

Put simply, there is no way for Israel to win that war.

/now a precision nuclear strike, I could see
//shudder
 
2012-08-15 07:14:36 PM
A Dark Evil Omen

Give the settlers a one-week warning to move out.
 
2012-08-15 07:14:38 PM
Pretty sure the person Subby was thinking of was Rumsfeld, not Cheney.
 
2012-08-15 07:14:48 PM
WizardofToast: And all of the Iranian citizens will gladly take this invasion and overthrow, the neighboring countries will be pretty chill with the whole thing happening and and a pig will fly right over the fireworks of the day of victory.

Flying pigs aren't kosher.
 
2012-08-15 07:16:22 PM
"Did you know Israel is deporting all of its African immigrants right now? Started on June 10th."

The plan is not to deport all of the African immigrants, actually just the illegal ones. There are more than a million Israelis of Ethiopian, Moroccan, Tunisian, Egyptian etc. origin, for which there are no plans for deportation. The United States and many other nations also deport illegal immigrants from time to time. And in any event, I was in south Tel Aviv yesterday and you wouldn't know that the Sudanese have all been deported from the looks of it...
 
2012-08-15 07:16:50 PM
WizardofToast:
Yeah. A month. With minimal losses. And all of the Iranian citizens will gladly take this invasion and overthrow, the neighboring countries will be pretty chill with the whole thing happening and and a pig will fly right over the fireworks of the day of victory. No short-term or long-term effects, nosirree.


That whole pig thing is just not going to happen. It's not kosher or halal.
 
2012-08-15 07:17:07 PM
Good thing iran hasn't fixed that upward kill limit bug on their klllbots.
 
2012-08-15 07:18:29 PM
I think the proper term is Rumsfeld-ize.
 
2012-08-15 07:18:39 PM
What an Israel being may look like

static.ibnlive.in.com
 
2012-08-15 07:19:03 PM
www.bendib.com
 
2012-08-15 07:20:39 PM
It would certainly be better for Israelis who want peace if America told the Israeli faction that wants war that they won't be supported when they do something foolish.
 
2012-08-15 07:21:21 PM
I'm pretty sure that, according to the Bush Doctrine, Iran is perfectly within its rights to pre-emptively destroy Israel. Right? Seems fair.
 
2012-08-15 07:21:26 PM
I figure the Israelis will take and keep the Sinai before they do anything else. And they're keeping the Sinai this time.
 
2012-08-15 07:21:54 PM
I'm sure by then CAIR will have convinced the US to attack Israel.
 
2012-08-15 07:22:13 PM
You know who else thought it would last a month and only kill 500 jews...
 
2012-08-15 07:22:27 PM
Captain_Ballbeard

Izzy's been beating the war drums HARD (again) since ROMNEY! went on his ass-kissing mission to the Zionist State.

Noticed the price of fuel since then?

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

But it's worth every dollar it costs you if it will make Bibi less nervous.

AMIRITE?

This is more about influencing American politics (read DUMP OBAMA) than it is about anything Iran is doing.

Barry needs to grow some balls and throw down sanctions on Israel NOW.

Good times.

Obama needs a couple of months before he can grow any balls. The last time a President started pushing Israel to quit acting like a genocidal monster Lucianne Goldberg unleashed the Lewinsky "scandal". Clinton shut up about Israel.

And I think the Amirites were annihilated on God's orders in the Old Testament, so I don't see how they figure in.



Indeed.

And there was this ONE president that was DETERMINED that Israel would NOT get nuclear weapons.

He demanded that the Israelis open Dimona - their nuclear facility - for inspections.

njtoday.net

Unfortunately, he had an accident.

But that's okay, because the guy who replaced him was VERY pro-Zionist.


/Sure glad that Israel is our ally
 
2012-08-15 07:24:02 PM

Porous Horace: I'm sure by then CAIR will have convinced the US to attack Israel.


/yawn

Wake me up when the muslim version of Judith Miller uses the nation's "paper of record" to publish front page propaganda that leads to the death of thousands of American service men and women.
 
2012-08-15 07:25:18 PM
intelligent comment below, shouldn't you be in the Homeland, volunteering as a human shield against the retaliation rockets or something?

Get 'em, tiger!
 
2012-08-15 07:25:38 PM
Actually, when the Israelis make a promise for violence, they keep it. They don't get too hung up on rules of engagement and human rights.

/seriously, don't fark with them
//imagine a corps of America's best Marines who have one order:
///Win
 
2012-08-15 07:26:18 PM
WizardsofToast
Yeah. A month. With minimal losses. And all of the Iranian citizens will gladly take this invasion and overthrow, the neighboring countries will be pretty chill with the whole thing happening and and a pig will fly right over the fireworks of the day of victory. No short-term or long-term effects, nosirree.

No way they plan on invading and overthrowing, just a bombing campaign to remove their capability to develop nukes.

After about 30 days Iran would probably be out of shiat to lob at them.

Syria can't really spare troops to help out Iran now.

Saudi (as we learned form Wiki leaks) wouldn't be too hurt in private if Iran was taken down a peg or two.

Lebanon (or at least Hezbollah) may try something, but I see that ending in the 30 days.

Egypt would still probably stay out of it (if the military is in charge).

So short term it sounds about right. Of course it overlooks what this will do to Israeli/Muslim and even more importantly Israeli/International relations for the next 30 or so years. Can't see that coming out a win.
 
2012-08-15 07:28:30 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Porous Horace: I'm sure by then CAIR will have convinced the US to attack Israel.

/yawn

Wake me up when the muslim version of Judith Miller uses the nation's "paper of record" to publish front page propaganda that leads to the death of thousands of American service men and women.


Obama?
 
2012-08-15 07:28:33 PM
And free gas for a year
 
2012-08-15 07:29:36 PM
Maybe if the 500 who die are those who came up with the stupid policy in the first place, it would work out. Alas they have cannonfodder to die for them.
 
2012-08-15 07:31:18 PM
Raoul Eaton: The Iranians will greet them with flowers, and it will all be over in time for Christmas.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-15 07:31:24 PM
And there was this ONE president that was DETERMINED that Israel would NOT get nuclear weapons.

I didn't know Hitler was ever president... I thought he just chummed up with our economic overlords, not our political ones.
 
2012-08-15 07:32:14 PM
I really wonder how close they are to making the bomb? I hope that sanctions work. Nobody needs this, there will be no winner.
 
2012-08-15 07:32:36 PM

Amos Quito: Captain_Ballbeard


Stormfront brain trust banter


So the Jews were behind the Lewinsky scandal, and assassinating JFK?

Would Obama getting re-elected cause yo to re-evaluate your nonsense or are you in too derp to realize that the jewish conspiracy isn't what you imagine it to be in your meetings?
 
2012-08-15 07:33:45 PM
If you think this statements are anyway anti-israel or anti-semitic in any way, this means that you are racist against muslims and particularly muslim persians:

"Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world" - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

"[Muslim leaders who accept the existence of Israel are] acknowledging a surrender and defeat of the Islamic world." - Mahmoud "Men's Warehouse's best customer for bad suits" Ahmadinejad

If you think these statements in anyway justify Israel's aggressive stance towards Iran, it simply means that you are a despicable human being who needs to have 100% of his wealth and income taxed to pay for Fark Libs to not get real jobs. 

One of the world's largest holders of oil and natural gas reserves simply wants nuclear energy. Funny how libs suddenly have no problem with nuclear energy when their third world allies need it.
 
2012-08-15 07:36:03 PM
Stop fighting about the Jewish lobbyists. The Jews are afraid and they have every right. Those mullahs are insane.
 
2012-08-15 07:37:38 PM
"It will last a month and only kill 500 Israelis"

That's it? These guys need to try harder. Hitler was able to get 'em killed off at over 8000 a month.
 
2012-08-15 07:38:55 PM
Stop fighting about the Jewish lobbyists. The Jews are afraid and they have every right. Those mullahs are insane.

Besides, they only have our best interests at heart.
 
2012-08-15 07:39:44 PM

johnryan51: Stop fighting about the Jewish lobbyists. The Jews are afraid and they have every right. Those mullahs are insane.


Yeah, those crazy mullahs, agitating to draw the entire Middle East into a hopeless land war for purely political pu- hm.
 
2012-08-15 07:41:00 PM
I don't really understand what the fuss is about... its not like Israel plans to occupy Iran... they just plan to blow up all their important shiat and go home. Judging by Israels past engagements, it all seems.. very much on the level.
 
2012-08-15 07:43:54 PM
Who The Fark is Paying for Our Military Services.

I wish my family could eat at a 5 star restaurant in NYC and then get paid for it.
 
2012-08-15 07:44:11 PM

liam76: So the Jews were behind the Lewinsky scandal,


The next day, Netanyahu met with Clinton at the White House. "Bibi told me later," Falwell recalls, "that the next morning Bill Clinton said, 'I know where you were last night.' The pressure was really on Netanyahu to give away the farm in Israel. It was during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.... Clinton had to save himself, so he terminated the demands [to relinquish West Bank territory] that would have been forthcoming during that meeting, and would have been very bad for Israel."
Link


Save himself from what, exactly?

Lewinsky, Goldberg, Issikoff. Just a coincidence, I am sure, that these were the producers of this "scandal". Just as it is probably just coincidence that Clinton had to "save himself" from it by allowing Israel free-reign in using the Torah as a real-estate deed.
 
2012-08-15 07:46:21 PM
proteus_b And in any event, I was in south Tel Aviv yesterday and you wouldn't know that the Sudanese have all been deported from the looks of it...

Did you witness any rapes, robberies, or other attacks?
 
2012-08-15 07:46:32 PM
The Return of the Neo-Cons...

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2012-08-15 07:49:09 PM

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito's twin brother. You even use the phrase only he uses, Izzy, as well.



Would you prefer "Wasrael"?


/I know I would
 
2012-08-15 07:50:42 PM

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito's twin brother. You even use the phrase only he uses, Izzy, as well.


Still looking for where I ever said that they deserved it. I get why OJ killed Nicole, doesn't mean she deserved it.

And now you're doubling down on your lies by saying I use the term "Izzy"? Never typed that word in my life, until just now.

The facts speak for themselves on Israel and Zionists, which is why all you people can muster in response is to shriek "Anti-semite!"
 
2012-08-15 07:52:48 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Still looking for where I ever said that they deserved it. I get why OJ killed Nicole, doesn't mean she deserved it.

And now you're doubling down on your lies by saying I use the term "Izzy"? Never typed that word in my life, until just now.

The facts speak for themselves on Israel and Zionists, which is why all you people can muster in response is to shriek "Anti-semite!"



Are you blind? You might want to read this page again. Specifically at the 7:41 time stamp
 
2012-08-15 07:53:41 PM

WeenerGord: proteus_b And in any event, I was in south Tel Aviv yesterday and you wouldn't know that the Sudanese have all been deported from the looks of it...

Did you witness any rapes, robberies, or other attacks?


LMAO
 
2012-08-15 07:55:13 PM

intelligent comment below: Captain_Ballbeard: Still looking for where I ever said that they deserved it. I get why OJ killed Nicole, doesn't mean she deserved it.

And now you're doubling down on your lies by saying I use the term "Izzy"? Never typed that word in my life, until just now.

The facts speak for themselves on Israel and Zionists, which is why all you people can muster in response is to shriek "Anti-semite!"


Are you blind? You might want to read this page again. Specifically at the 7:41 time stamp


I don't see the word "Izzy". I must be blind.
 
2012-08-15 07:55:35 PM

Amos Quito: Captain_Ballbeard

Izzy's been beating the war drums HARD (again) since ROMNEY! went on his ass-kissing mission to the Zionist State.

Noticed the price of fuel since then?

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

But it's worth every dollar it costs you if it will make Bibi less nervous.

AMIRITE?

This is more about influencing American politics (read DUMP OBAMA) than it is about anything Iran is doing.

Barry needs to grow some balls and throw down sanctions on Israel NOW.

Good times.

Obama needs a couple of months before he can grow any balls. The last time a President started pushing Israel to quit acting like a genocidal monster Lucianne Goldberg unleashed the Lewinsky "scandal". Clinton shut up about Israel.

And I think the Amirites were annihilated on God's orders in the Old Testament, so I don't see how they figure in.


Indeed.

And there was this ONE president that was DETERMINED that Israel would NOT get nuclear weapons.

He demanded that the Israelis open Dimona - their nuclear facility - for inspections.

[njtoday.net image 400x320]

Unfortunately, he had an accident.

But that's okay, because the guy who replaced him was VERY pro-Zionist.


/Sure glad that Israel is our ally


Dude, everyone knows that was a hit by the Chicago Mob for having his brother go after them. Get your conspiracy theories straight.
 
2012-08-15 07:55:59 PM

Gyrfalcon: Captain_Ballbeard: liam76: intelligent comment below: Projection! You mean what ever gets you through the day, getting through yesterday required you to blame Jews for the Holocaust and say they had it coming, like Amos Quito has done in the past

Come on, we know he won't come out and say that. He just posts propaganda to that effect and presents argument that require that conclusion, but he won't come out and say it (or deny it).

WHEN in the name of King Fark did I ever say that?

Surely, it only being yesterday, you can find a quote.

We were talking about the Poles willingly hosting the concentration camps, IIRC, and why the POLES felt that the Jews had it coming.

That doesn't exactly equal saying "MY BELIEF is the Jews had it coming," but you can see where mistakes might be made.



The first 50 years of the 20th Century is an interesting study once you get beyond the sanitized soundbites of "Nazis bad, Allies good, Jews innocent victims".

There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of, and the mere mention of these things is certain to bring out troops of poo-flinging monkeys.

But that doesn't change the facts.

There are many lessons to be learned from the era - but these lessons will be valueless until we stop focusing only on a sanitized view of WHAT happened, and start trying to understand WHY it happened.

TABOO.
 
2012-08-15 07:56:25 PM
What I say is irrelevant, the world is waking up to what Zionism means. The American people are becoming more aware of it, can you feel it?
 
2012-08-15 07:57:59 PM

Amos Quito: There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of



Jews were in positions of political power? Name the countries
 
2012-08-15 07:58:59 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Don't forget Russia.
We can kick of Revelations if we do this right, and hopefully all those preachy Christians and the rest of God's People will get Raptured away and leave the rest of us in peace.


Maybe once the missiles launch we tell them the Rapture has started and they can all get a head start on their way to meet baby jeebus by hanging themselves. Only after will we report it was actually an accident in some guys backyard where his grill blew up shooting off flaming steaks into the sky
 
2012-08-15 07:59:19 PM

Magnanimous_J: My prediction: WWIII kills a billion people.


You're a conservative.
 
2012-08-15 07:59:33 PM
Saudi Arabia tells citizens to leave Lebanon immediately- Reuters


shkkmo
Assume that isreal does manage to decimate Iran's army to such an extent that Iran can't wage 'proper' war after 30 days

I could see the mission being a success in destroying the nuclear power plants and research facilities and killing key personnel, but I'm not sure how a quick strike is going to kill even a fraction of Iran's army.

If there's a naval battle involving the US, the Iranian fleet will probably be nonexist within days if not hours, but I don't think anyone thought it mattered anyway. Iran's air force is probably in the same spot.

Still, just the threat of Iranian ballistic missiles, mines, and/or torpedo boats sinking a few oil tankers is probably going to cause the price of oil to jump to $"You can't afford it, even if you can find someone selling it". Just in time for winter. Oh and so much for the economic recovery.

Thats really the thing I don't get about the whole "Invade Iran" thing: how can it possibly end in a good way?

Remember that the people in charge of Israel are basically nazis.


Rich Cream
So Israel is willing to spread highly radioactive (they say so) material across southern and western Asia and kill a multitude of Jewish Iranians with bombs, and for what? To avoid the death of Jews and the spread of nuclear radioactivity?

Iran is the last country in the region that hasn't been bought off, invaded, subverted, or otherwise broken. In 1947-67, practically all of them were united against Israel. Saudi Arabia and Turkey are tied to the US, Egypt cut a deal, Syria's in a civil war, Jordan is Israel's Mexico, Iraq is Iraq... If they can throw Iran into turmoil, who will ever seriously challenge Israel? Divide and conquer.


Boudica's War Tampon
Iran used those weapons in a war against Iraq.

[[citation needed]]


liam76
Saudi (as we learned form Wiki leaks) wouldn't be too hurt in private if Iran was taken down a peg or two.

There's always a non-zero chance of an anti-Saud uprising. I mean, they've got to run out of mercenaries eventually, right?
 
2012-08-15 08:00:30 PM
shiat or get off the pot Israel
 
2012-08-15 08:01:48 PM

johnryan51: Stop fighting about the Jewish lobbyists. The Jews are afraid and they have every right. Those mullahs are insane.


because they might do what Israel is threatening to do?
Israel promotes terrorism by proxy,assassinations,spies on it's friends and enemies alike and oppresses it's own people. it also makes regular threats against Iran.
they aren't innocent bystanders in all this.

Israel has looked too long into the abyss
 
2012-08-15 08:01:58 PM
Dear Israel: While we appreciate your interest in continuing the Middle East's long-standing tradition of blowing the shiat out of eachother we regret to inform you that...

Wait, no. Forget that. Seriously, the fark, Israel? Are you people that farking stupid?

Stop being the aggressor here in the eyes of the world. All you people are doing is giving the Persian and Arabic countries which DO hate your guts ammunition to use against you in the world's eye.
 
2012-08-15 08:02:05 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I feel like Obama won't have a hard time saying "No you guys go, we're good"

Romney, on the other hand, won't be able to jump onboard fast enough.


Which is why Israel will attack in October or November. Wait and see.
 
2012-08-15 08:03:35 PM

Hobodeluxe: because they might do what Israel is threatening to do?
Israel promotes terrorism by proxy,assassinations,spies on it's friends and enemies alike and oppresses it's own people. it also makes regular threats against Iran.
they aren't innocent bystanders in all this.

Israel has looked too long into the abyss



So then 9/11 was justified based on the history of America dealing with the rest of the world? Do you really want to go down this slippery slope?
 
2012-08-15 08:05:45 PM
How much popcorn has been consumed in here, so far?
 
2012-08-15 08:06:21 PM

intelligent comment below: I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING!

OOPS I DID BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT!

WAKE UP TO THE JEWS! LISTEN TO THE WORDS I SAID THAT ARE IRRELEVANT

Sounds legit



And when all else fails, put words in somebody else's mouth.

Jew does not mean Zionist. Zionist does not mean arch-Zionist, which is bent on the extermination of a people and land theft.
 
2012-08-15 08:06:31 PM

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito: There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of


Jews were in positions of political power? Name the countries



You want the names of the countries, or the names of their central bankers?
 
2012-08-15 08:07:29 PM
radioislam.org
 
2012-08-15 08:07:31 PM

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito: There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of


Jews were in positions of political power? Name the countries


Now, that's not what he said and you know it. There were a lot of very deeply-rooted reasons why Jews were so hated in Eastern Europe, thousands of years of lies and deceit. People believed the "Protocols" were genuine, that Jews ran the world, and that Jews were responsible for their troubles. There was a lot of behind-the-scenes politicking, some of which led to things like the quotas for Jewish immigrants actually being reduced by the US, among other things. And there WERE Jews in positions of power in the Weimar Republic, at least until Hitler got the Nuremburg Laws passed.

A good takeaway point here is that by reducing it to JEWS: GOOD VICTIMS! NAZIS: EVIL MURDERERS! we lose the nuances of why everyone ELSE was so anxious to exterminate the Jews, and why the Jews had good reasons besides fear for not rising against their oppressors until almost the last minute. And it allows Israel to continue to make extremely wrong-headed choices and thwart any possibility for peace in the Middle East because they can always count on supporters to trot out the anti-Semite card for anyone who disagrees with them.

Look how fast the Captain got you off-track about whether war between Israel and Iran might be a bad thing, because you had to jump into proving him to be a bigoted Jew-hater. It's an argument you can't win, at least between you and him, so why make it? Why the need to proclaim anyone who criticizes Jews must be an evil anti-Semite? It makes reasonable discussion about the ISSUES impossible when we have to argue PERSONALITIES instead.
 
2012-08-15 08:08:05 PM
Obama needs to tell Bibi to stop all this or we will fark him up. This is insane. And we should do WHATEVER it takes to make sure Israel doesn't ignite a conflict. They will put our troops in danger with this bullshiat
 
2012-08-15 08:08:09 PM

Amos Quito: liam76: intelligent comment below: Projection! You mean what ever gets you through the day, getting through yesterday required you to blame Jews for the Holocaust and say they had it coming, like Amos Quito has done in the past

Come on, we know he won't come out and say that. He just posts propaganda1 to that effect and presents argument that require that conclusion2, but he won't come out and say it (or deny it3).


These two have a bad habit of - how you say? - being VERY liberal in paraphrasing what others have said.


This is very simple.

1 You posted a headline claiming "Judea Declares War on Germany" (sans context) in response to someone saying jews didn't cause the Holocaust? Yes or No?

2 You argue that Israel was all because of Zionists, and you concede that Israel wouldn't exist without Hitler/Holocaust (if it was all because of Zionists, then they must be behind Hitler/Holocaust)? Yes or No?

3 Can you say Jews didn't cause the Holocaust? Yes or No?
 
2012-08-15 08:08:09 PM

Bubbarella: God's chosen people don't need your approval.
If it threatens the Holy Land then it should be exterminated.
I can't believe so many people here are so anti-semetic.
You'll learn soon enough.


If I have to choose between the self-proclaimed God's Chosen People and the Muslins, I'll chose neither, thanks very much. They can both strangle each other in the gutter for all I care.
 
2012-08-15 08:08:29 PM

Amos Quito: Indeed.

And there was this ONE president that was DETERMINED that Israel would NOT get nuclear weapons.

He demanded that the Israelis open Dimona - their nuclear facility - for inspections.

Unfortunately, he had an accident.

But that's okay, because the guy who replaced him was VERY pro-Zionist.


/Sure glad that Israel is our ally



I'm game for blaming Mossad/Israel for various conspiracies (USS Liberty, Iranian nuke scientist assassinations, etc.) but the evidence on JFK really points elsewhere. Look into E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession that he was involved as backup. I read Dr. Mary's Monkey and Me and Lee and both books are outstanding for understanding where Oswald came from and the intelligence community that was operating in New Orleans. I haven't read JFK and the Unspeakable yet, but I hear it's solid work and I don't think it points toward Israel. Few people realize just how much new information has come out on JFK just in the last three years.
 
2012-08-15 08:09:12 PM

intelligent comment below: Hobodeluxe: because they might do what Israel is threatening to do?
Israel promotes terrorism by proxy,assassinations,spies on it's friends and enemies alike and oppresses it's own people. it also makes regular threats against Iran.
they aren't innocent bystanders in all this.

Israel has looked too long into the abyss


So then 9/11 was justified based on the history of America dealing with the rest of the world? Do you really want to go down this slippery slope?


no I think you just slid all the way to the bottom of the hill with that derp.
 
2012-08-15 08:09:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: Look how fast the Captain got you off-track about whether war between Israel and Iran might be a bad thing



There is no upcoming war with Iran. It's all just a political ploy to rally around the government that keeps having to deal with massive protests about living conditions, drafting religious youth, etc.

If Israel wanted to attack Iran they would have done it already, in strikes similar to Syria and Iraq, to which there was no warning.
 
2012-08-15 08:10:51 PM
Amos Quito, Captain Ballbeard, you are wrong.
 
2012-08-15 08:12:16 PM

intelligent comment below: oooohh look a tough guy sitting behind the safety of the internet insulting an entire group of people and justifying the death of over 6 million of their family members. SO BRAVE


At some point, your accusations become simply comical. Now I have justified the death of over 6 million people? I'm a busy man.

Brave? What, like blackmailing a bribing a sugar daddy to do your dirty work for you? That kind of brave?

And when the arch-Zionists are exposed and the host turns on them, they will run and hide in the midst of ordinary Jews and scream anti-semite as everybody gets stomped. Yet again.
 
2012-08-15 08:12:30 PM

Hobodeluxe: no I think you just slid all the way to the bottom of the hill with that derp.



Are you playing obtuse on purpose? You said Israel isn't an innocent bystandard because of their past actions. So anything that happens is justified. But that only applies to Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.
 
2012-08-15 08:13:54 PM
Amos Quito: The first 50 years of the 20th Century is an interesting study once you get beyond the sanitized soundbites of "Nazis bad, Allies good, Jews innocent victims".

There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of,

There are many lessons to be learned from the era - but these lessons will be valueless until we stop focusing only on a sanitized view of WHAT happened, and start trying to understand WHY it happened.

TABOO.



Now you are just teasing us. What happened? How can we find out more? Is there a book or website you can recommend with more information?
 
2012-08-15 08:13:54 PM

Gyrfalcon: Captain_Ballbeard: Of course, Iranian hatred of Israel is completely unfounded, it's not like Mossad helped build SAVAK and brutalize the Iranian people in the name of the Shah or anything. Nah.

You know those kind of remarks around here means you hate Israel, worship Hitler and don't believe in the Holocaust, right?

/also why isn't my quote key working?



you think the israeli people brutalized the iranian peole and deserve whatever they could possibly recieve from Iran? why am I not surprised at all you are lining up right behind the antisemite.
 
2012-08-15 08:14:39 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: At some point, your accusations become simply comical. Now I have justified the death of over 6 million people? I'm a busy man.



No of course you didn't, because as you said, your words don't matter

Captain_Ballbeard: Brave? What, like blackmailing a bribing a sugar daddy to do your dirty work for you? That kind of brave?



Yes of course, unstable nations nearby like Iraq and Afghanistan is exactly what Israel wanted.

Captain_Ballbeard: And when the arch-Zionists are exposed and the host turns on them, they will run and hide in the midst of ordinary Jews and scream anti-semite as everybody gets stomped. Yet again.



Except you were talking about Jews, not Zionists.

Here are your words, show me which one says the word Zionist

There was a reason the camps were in Poland.

Has nothing to do with a minority of Polish Jews perpetrating economic murder on Poles for decades, while wearing the Star of David on their sleeves?

Over 200 times, Jewish people have been stomped down by the people around them,

If you knew a woman who had been raped 200 times, would you maybe ask yourself why?

Has NOTHING to do with the fact that the largest population Jews in Europe was in Poland or that nobody had suffered under Jewish bankers more than Poles.

This has all happened before. And it will happen again. And again.

Imagine the USA in 2008 if Mexican-Americans had been at the top of the banks and financial institutions that almost destroyed the country, and the world, with their Ponzi scheme.
 
2012-08-15 08:15:01 PM

Amos Quito: There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of, and the mere mention of these things is certain to bring out troops of poo-flinging monkeys.


And that skullduggery was all the fault of the jews, right? Or are you PC'ing up your act to contain it to a small groups of jews, Zionists Elders of Zionism perhaps?
 
2012-08-15 08:15:24 PM
30 days could be all they need. You think Israel will occupy and remain in place? They largely won't even invade with troops. They'll send Iran to the stone age if they can and back out of anything after. It won't be their problem. That's truly the point the US may need to step in and throw money down that hole. Israel's war with Iran will cost us one way or another.
 
2012-08-15 08:20:29 PM
*sort of looking around, minding own business*
 
2012-08-15 08:21:25 PM
I'm sure that Russia will be content to watch both Syria and Iran slip from her orbit.
 
2012-08-15 08:22:12 PM

relcec: Gyrfalcon: Captain_Ballbeard: Of course, Iranian hatred of Israel is completely unfounded, it's not like Mossad helped build SAVAK and brutalize the Iranian people in the name of the Shah or anything. Nah.

You know those kind of remarks around here means you hate Israel, worship Hitler and don't believe in the Holocaust, right?

/also why isn't my quote key working?


you think the israeli people brutalized the iranian peole and deserve whatever they could possibly recieve from Iran? why am I not surprised at all you are lining up right behind the antisemite.


Yes, that's exactly what I said and what I mean.

Because any acknowledgement that Iranians might have a reason to hate Israel is EXACTLY THE SAME as saying the Israelis have been beating up on the poor Iranians, and they deserve being blown off the face of the earth.

What color is the sky in your black-and-white world?
 
2012-08-15 08:22:27 PM

Amos Quito: Raoul Eaton: The Iranians will greet them with flowers, and it will all be over in time for Christmas.

Jews don't do x-mas.

Does this mean that the war will go on 'til all Jews convert?

/Harmageddon


It will be all over by Hannukah, perhaps?

/The unicorns will be powering Israel's ballistic missiles...
 
2012-08-15 08:22:40 PM
Why was the Six-Day War only six days?

Israel was renting the equipment by the week!

/try the (kosher) veal
 
2012-08-15 08:23:35 PM

intelligent comment below: Hobodeluxe: no I think you just slid all the way to the bottom of the hill with that derp.


Are you playing obtuse on purpose? You said Israel isn't an innocent bystandard because of their past actions. So anything that happens is justified. But that only applies to Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.


that's some industrial grade derp there. Israel regularly has conflicts with it's neighbors and uses disproportionate responses. It uses terrorists through proxy. (remember the Jundullah making sorties into Iran to blow shiat up?) They assassinate people.

Here's the way I see it. If Israel attacks them unilaterally they could ignite the middle east into a global conflict. Everything we've done in Iraq and Afghanistan could be erased overnight and our people there put in jeopardy. It would cost us tens of billions.
If I were Obama I'd tell them that I would consider it an act of war against us.
 
2012-08-15 08:24:02 PM
Yeah but those crazy -ass Israelis may be right.
 
2012-08-15 08:24:37 PM
www.thepeoplesvoice.org
 
2012-08-15 08:25:20 PM

intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.



Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?
 
2012-08-15 08:27:08 PM

Hobodeluxe: that's some industrial grade derp there. Israel regularly has conflicts with it's neighbors and uses disproportionate responses. It uses terrorists through proxy. (remember the Jundullah making sorties into Iran to blow shiat up?) They assassinate people.



Yeah 4 wars caused by its neighbors, why would Israel react with force when they have such friendly people around them?

Every country assassinates people, are you new here?

Hobodeluxe: Here's the way I see it. If Israel attacks them unilaterally they could ignite the middle east into a global conflict. Everything we've done in Iraq and Afghanistan could be erased overnight and our people there put in jeopardy. It would cost us tens of billions.
If I were Obama I'd tell them that I would consider it an act of war against us.



You say that like what you did in Iraq and Afghanistan was beneficial to anyone but the corporations vying for rights to the resources and rebuilding contracts. There are double the recruits willing to sign up for Jihad, and they are now rushing into Syria to fight. You think that's going to be a good thing in 5+ years? They will start turning their guns elsewhere, and guess who that usually turns into? Israel
 
2012-08-15 08:27:19 PM

Hobodeluxe: If I were Obama I'd tell them that I would consider it an act of war against us.


I'm sure that Wolf Blitzer would report on the issue very fairly, in the interest of the American people and that Americans would end up agreeing with Obama.
 
2012-08-15 08:27:26 PM

intelligent comment below: Captain_Ballbeard: I'm sure that Russia will be content to watch both Syria and Iran slip from her orbit.


Keep fishing with reactionary comments, this is apparently how you get your kicks. Sooner or later you'll get a bite from a fish too big for you.


everyone depends on the oil. they will not take lightly anyone interfering with the flow. and an unprovoked,unilateral aggression by Israel should not be tolerated.
 
2012-08-15 08:27:30 PM

WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.


Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?


He's trolling you. His user name is ALWAYS wrong.
 
2012-08-15 08:29:04 PM

WeenerGord: Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?



I was talking about such actions like colonialism, slavery, oppression on scales only those nations I mentioned could do. Sorry you can't accept the truth. This has nothing to do with being "better" but the fact that when viewed side by side, Israel is a damn angel compared to the atrocities done by Britain, America, Germany, Russia, etc.
 
2012-08-15 08:29:28 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I feel like Obama won't have a hard time saying "No you guys go, we're good"

Romney, on the other hand, won't be able to jump onboard fast enough.


You don't know Obama as well as you think you do. If this happens before the election, it's over.
 
2012-08-15 08:29:32 PM
intelligent comment below
oooohh look a tough guy sitting behind the safety of the internet insulting an entire group of people and justifying the death of over 6 million of their family members. SO BRAVE

All criticism of Israel = antisemitism.
In the event that non-antisemitic criticism of Israel is encountered, the one actual antisemite will be highlighted and projected on the non-antisemitic criticism of Israel.

There is no upcoming war with Iran. It's all just a political ploy to rally around the government that keeps having to deal with massive protests about living conditions, drafting religious youth, etc.

At this point they (the Israeli military-political leadership) will just look like fools if they don't do it. Iran's not backing down, for the same reason. Based on the behavior of similar regimes through history, there has to be a war. I don't see the government resigning or collapsing when they still have the capability to be completely crazy.
 
2012-08-15 08:30:01 PM

Hobodeluxe: everyone depends on the oil. they will not take lightly anyone interfering with the flow. and an unprovoked,unilateral aggression by Israel should not be tolerated.



Not sure if serious?

Military action has been demanded by Saudi Arabia who will then have full control over OPEC.

This is something America and SA are pushing Israel to do.
 
2012-08-15 08:30:40 PM

intelligent comment below: WeenerGord: Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?


I was talking about such actions like colonialism, slavery, oppression on scales only those nations I mentioned could do. Sorry you can't accept the truth. This has nothing to do with being "better" but the fact that when viewed side by side, Israel is a damn angel compared to the atrocities done by Britain, America, Germany, Russia, etc.


the residents of Jericho around the time of Jacob might disagree
 
2012-08-15 08:31:11 PM

BojanglesPaladin: WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.

Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?

He's trolling you. His user name is ALWAYS wrong.



LOL, but I thought the Jews did think they were better than everyone else? Could he be Bevets by any chance?
 
2012-08-15 08:31:17 PM

intelligent comment below: Hobodeluxe: everyone depends on the oil. they will not take lightly anyone interfering with the flow. and an unprovoked,unilateral aggression by Israel should not be tolerated.


Not sure if serious?

Military action has been demanded by Saudi Arabia who will then have full control over OPEC.

This is something America and SA are pushing Israel to do.


you're on drugs
 
2012-08-15 08:31:44 PM

WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.


Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?


It's like he thinks he has a God-given right to superiority or something.
 
2012-08-15 08:32:10 PM

BojanglesPaladin: WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.


Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?

He's trolling you. His user name is ALWAYS wrong.



How is it trolling to point to the past of those countries and comparing them to any bad things Israel has done?

America's war in Vietnam alone, the chemical and napalm dropped on civilians, what has Israel done that can be classified worse than that? How about the treatment of Indians by the British colonial powers? Or Russia with its own people? Like I said, Israel is a saint compared to what these nations have done. And yet they are the first to judge Israel. Hypocrites.
 
2012-08-15 08:33:21 PM

intelligent comment below: This is something America and SA are pushing Israel to do.


Yes, I am sure that right now Saudi and American lobbyists are trucking money into the Knesset in an effort to get Israel to act against her own interests.
 
2012-08-15 08:34:37 PM

intelligent comment below: BojanglesPaladin: WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.


Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?

He's trolling you. His user name is ALWAYS wrong.


How is it trolling to point to the past of those countries and comparing them to any bad things Israel has done?

America's war in Vietnam alone, the chemical and napalm dropped on civilians, what has Israel done that can be classified worse than that? How about the treatment of Indians by the British colonial powers? Or Russia with its own people? Like I said, Israel is a saint compared to what these nations have done. And yet they are the first to judge Israel. Hypocrites.


Israel has it's lapdog (the US military industrial complex) do it's dirty work for the most part.
 
2012-08-15 08:34:42 PM

Hobodeluxe: you're on drugs



Right, the first country to claim they would also get nuclear weapons if Iran did was... Saudi Arabia. So I'm not sure if you're being obtuse on purpose about the role of Saudi Arabia on Middle Eastern affairs. If you think Israel has more sway in America than Saudi Arabia like all these anti-Semitic clowns then there's no point in continuing this discussion.

These are the same idiots who say Israel wanted America to invade Iraq in '91 rather than Saudi Arabia begging for help.
 
2012-08-15 08:34:57 PM

Hobodeluxe: the residents of Jericho around the time of Jacob might disagree


Holocausts are ok if God tells you to do it, doesn't count.
 
2012-08-15 08:35:00 PM

intelligent comment below: I was talking about such actions like colonialism, slavery, oppression on scales only those nations I mentioned could do. Sorry you can't accept the truth.



I read that Jewish traders were big in the slave trade, that they owned many slave ships and financed others, and promoted the slave trade, because it was profitable, and that they also owned slaves. Is diaspora another world for colonialism? Sorry you cant accept the truth
 
2012-08-15 08:35:45 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: It's like he thinks he has a God-given right to superiority or something.



All I did was compare the actions of each country, I never said anything about being "better" or "superior" but your hatred is showing. Try not to get all emo, you kids can't think straight when you become flustered teenage girls.
 
2012-08-15 08:35:51 PM
Hobodeluxe
If I were Obama I'd tell them that I would consider it an act of war against us.

The only hope he has is that they wait until November or December; but while hope might be a campaign slogan, it's a terrible idea for realpolitik.


intelligent comment below
Every country assassinates people, are you new here?

right, when has Israel ever cared about international law before?
Everybody does it! That makes it completely OK.

Israel is a damn angel compared to the atrocities done by Britain, America, Germany, Russia, etc.

Weren't you just saying, like literally five minutes ago, that it's wrong to blame people for the crimes of their ancestors?
 
2012-08-15 08:36:57 PM

intelligent comment below: Hobodeluxe: no I think you just slid all the way to the bottom of the hill with that derp.


Are you playing obtuse on purpose? You said Israel isn't an innocent bystandard because of their past actions. So anything that happens is justified. But that only applies to Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.


So because America has a history of genocide that means Israel should be allowed to practice it? Because Russia practiced ruthless suppression of others they get to do the same? We playing some kind of catch-up game where nobody faces sanctions or criticism until their level of evil matches the evil of others?

I can't believe you of all people are trotting out the "I may be bad but you're worse!" argument. Doesn't Santayana's quote about remembering the past instead of repeating it carry any weight at all, in favor of trying to justify doing it because everyone else did it to?
 
2012-08-15 08:37:13 PM

WeenerGord: BojanglesPaladin: WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.

Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?

He's trolling you. His user name is ALWAYS wrong.


LOL, but I thought the Jews did think they were better than everyone else? Could he be Bevets by any chance?


Not even close. And I think you may be thinking of.. Tatsua? I think? who was the required poster on any thread involving Isreal. Bevets was summoned by a religion thread as I recall.

Anywho he's nowhere near that league. Saying something provocative but pointless to incite and then repeating it louder and insulting people for disputing it is baby troll kind of stuff. She is precisely what the ignore function is for.
 
2012-08-15 08:37:15 PM

intelligent comment below: Hobodeluxe: you're on drugs


Right, the first country to claim they would also get nuclear weapons if Iran did was... Saudi Arabia. So I'm not sure if you're being obtuse on purpose about the role of Saudi Arabia on Middle Eastern affairs. If you think Israel has more sway in America than Saudi Arabia like all these anti-Semitic clowns then there's no point in continuing this discussion.

These are the same idiots who say Israel wanted America to invade Iraq in '91 rather than Saudi Arabia begging for help.


You're right. I forgot all about those Saudis dominating MSM news.
 
2012-08-15 08:38:46 PM
intelligent comment below
America's war in Vietnam alone, the chemical and napalm dropped on civilians, what has Israel done that can be classified worse than that? How about the treatment of Indians by the British colonial powers? Or Russia with its own people? Like I said, Israel is a saint compared to what these nations have done. And yet they are the first to judge Israel. Hypocrites.

The people who are against what Israel does to the Palestinians are the same ones who were against those things. The ones who think Israel can do no wrong are the same ones who thought those things were necessary to win the war, to save"civilization," to promote God and Country, etc.
 
2012-08-15 08:40:07 PM

RanDomino:
Weren't you just saying, like literally five minutes ago, that it's wrong to blame people for the crimes of their ancestors?



Ancestors? An American saying Israel is evil for using assassination is probably the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard. But then again you're a dumbass anarchist so I'm done with your trolling


Hobodeluxe: Israel has it's lapdog (the US military industrial complex) do it's dirty work for the most part.



Yeah like all those 4 major wars Israel made America fight... oh wait.

You can't name one conflict Israel "forced" to have America fight for them because it didn't exist. The Gulf war was to protect Saudi Arabia. The latest Iraq war, and Afghanistan, had nothing to do with Israel either. Keep digging.
 
2012-08-15 08:40:13 PM
Israel Begins

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2012-08-15 08:40:42 PM

RanDomino: The people who are against what Israel does to the Palestinians are the same ones who were against those things. The ones who think Israel can do no wrong are the same ones who thought those things were necessary to win the war, to save"civilization," to promote God and Country, etc.



I said Israel can do no wrong?

What does Israel do to the Palestinians? Mass murder amiright?
 
2012-08-15 08:40:44 PM

intelligent comment below: I read that same Stormfront news story too


So you agree that it's true?
 
2012-08-15 08:41:17 PM

WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: I read that same Stormfront news story too

So you agree that it's true?



Stormfront said it is, so it must be
 
2012-08-15 08:42:13 PM

Magnanimous_J: My prediction: WWIII kills a billion people.


Pessimist. WW3 is going to kill 2.5 billion.
 
2012-08-15 08:43:08 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: You're right. I forgot all about those Saudis dominating MSM news.



Like the one who owns the 2nd most shares in Faux News? Oops! Nah it must be the Jews tricking Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal into "thinking" he has a say, but it's really secretly the Jews and Israel

/did you hear the one about Rupert Murdock really secretly being a Jew?
 
2012-08-15 08:43:44 PM

RanDomino: intelligent comment below
America's war in Vietnam alone, the chemical and napalm dropped on civilians, what has Israel done that can be classified worse than that? How about the treatment of Indians by the British colonial powers? Or Russia with its own people? Like I said, Israel is a saint compared to what these nations have done. And yet they are the first to judge Israel. Hypocrites.

The people who are against what Israel does to the Palestinians are the same ones who were against those things. The ones who think Israel can do no wrong are the same ones who thought those things were necessary to win the war, to save"civilization," to promote God and Country, etc.


Not entirely. There are plenty of People who would loudly denounce this if it was happening in South America or Africa, but turn a blind eye when it happens in Isreal. They convince themselves that it's not that bad, or it's somehow different.

Look at apartheid. Day in and day out over and over we had news coverage about what was happening in some country most people had never hear of. We ALL denounced that, but somehow, the same thing doesn't even warrant coverage when it happens in Isreal. Because it's.... Different.
 
2012-08-15 08:46:00 PM

intelligent comment below: Captain_Ballbeard: Yes, I am sure that right now Saudi and American lobbyists are trucking money into the Knesset in an effort to get Israel to act against her own interests.


A non nuclear Iran is certainly in Israel's existence, but Saudi Arabia holds all the purse strings.


WeenerGord: I read that Jewish traders were big in the slave trade, that they owned many slave ships and financed others, and promoted the slave trade, because it was profitable, and that they also owned slaves. Is diaspora another world for colonialism? Sorry you cant accept the truth


I read that same Stormfront news story too


it's in the Bible, what to pay for them,how to treat them etc...
 
2012-08-15 08:46:20 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Not entirely. There are plenty of People who would loudly denounce this if it was happening in South America or Africa, but turn a blind eye when it happens in Isreal. They convince themselves that it's not that bad, or it's somehow different.

Look at apartheid. Day in and day out over and over we had news coverage about what was happening in some country most people had never hear of. We ALL denounced that, but somehow, the same thing doesn't even warrant coverage when it happens in Isreal. Because it's.... Different.



Yeah, the world is really turning a blind eye to what Israel is apparently doing. It's just as bad as not only the Nazi's but South African apartheid! Honest!
 
2012-08-15 08:46:45 PM
Hey Israel.

Do it. Start a war. Warmongers get all the girls.

Dooo eeeett
 
2012-08-15 08:47:42 PM
 
2012-08-15 08:48:05 PM

Hobodeluxe: intelligent comment below: Captain_Ballbeard: Yes, I am sure that right now Saudi and American lobbyists are trucking money into the Knesset in an effort to get Israel to act against her own interests.


A non nuclear Iran is certainly in Israel's existence, but Saudi Arabia holds all the purse strings.


WeenerGord: I read that Jewish traders were big in the slave trade, that they owned many slave ships and financed others, and promoted the slave trade, because it was profitable, and that they also owned slaves. Is diaspora another world for colonialism? Sorry you cant accept the truth


I read that same Stormfront news story too

it's in the Bible, what to pay for them,how to treat them etc...


Are you saying that the Bible supports Aryan Superiority?!? You fascist!
 
2012-08-15 08:49:13 PM

Hobodeluxe: it's in the Bible, what to pay for them,how to treat them etc...



I knew I read it somewhere.
 
2012-08-15 08:49:32 PM
intelligent comment below
I was comparing the actions of countries

Well that's bullshiat.
 
2012-08-15 08:49:47 PM

RanDomino: intelligent comment below
What does Israel do to the Palestinians? Mass murder amiright?

I know you won't watch this, or you don't care, or it's not really a problem, or some other bullshiat excuse; but, for the rest of you who have some shred of basic decency, here's an illustration of what life is like for thousands of Palestinians, and for hundreds of thousands more lesser only in immediacy.


You got it right in your first sentence.
 
2012-08-15 08:50:42 PM

WeenerGord: Hobodeluxe: it's in the Bible, what to pay for them,how to treat them etc...


I knew I read it somewhere.


it's in the Torah too



It is permissible to work a non-Jewish servant harshly. Yet, although this is the law, the way of the pious and the wise is to be compassionate and to pursue justice, not to overburden or oppress a servant, and to provide them from every dish and every drink.

The early sages would give their servants from every dish on their table. They would feed their animals and their servants before sitting to their own meals. Does it not say (Psalms 123:2), "As the eyes of the servant to the hand of his master; as the eyes of the maid to her mistress [so our eyes are towards the L-rd our G-d...]"?

So, too, you should not denigrate a servant, neither physically nor verbally. The Torah made him your servant to do work, not to be disgraced. Do not treat him with constant screaming and anger, rather speak with him pleasantly and listen to his complaints. Such were the good ways in which Job took pride when he said, "Did I ever despise the judgment of my servant and my maid when they argued with me? Did not my Maker make him, too, in the belly; did not the same One form us both in the womb?"

For anger and cruelty are only found among other nations. The children of Abraham, our father--and they are Israel, to whom the Holy One, blessed be He, has provided the goodness of Torah and commanded us righteous judgments and statutes--they are compassionate to all. This is one of the attributes of the Holy One, blessed be He, that we are commanded to emulate (Psalms 145:9): "And He has compassion for all He has made."

Furthermore, all who have compassion will be treated compassionately, as was stated (Deuteronomy 13:18), "He will give you compassion and He will have compassion upon you and multiply you."

(Mishneh Torah, Laws of Indentured Servants, 9:8)
 
2012-08-15 08:50:57 PM
Israel begins to Cheney-ize a war with Iran: "It will last a month and only kill 500 Israelis"

I only hope the Israeli people aren't as stupid as we were 10 years ago. I remember all the chickenhawks that used to post Neville Chamberlain pictures here back then.

The young people in both countries need to use social networking to make a Christmas Truce, or something.

nekulor: I would hate to see the kind of insurgency the revolutionary guard could wage. It would make Iraq and Afghanistan look like a Sunday picnic in the park.


If there's only one thing in this world that could revitalize the Islamic Republic's regime in Iran, it's a war.
 
2012-08-15 08:53:03 PM

dervish16108: Israel begins to Cheney-ize a war with Iran: "It will last a month and only kill 500 Israelis"

I only hope the Israeli people aren't as stupid as we were 10 years ago. I remember all the chickenhawks that used to post Neville Chamberlain pictures here back then.

The young people in both countries need to use social networking to make a Christmas Truce, or something.

nekulor: I would hate to see the kind of insurgency the revolutionary guard could wage. It would make Iraq and Afghanistan look like a Sunday picnic in the park.

If there's only one thing in this world that could revitalize the Islamic Republic's regime in Iran, it's a war.


the whole region is unsettled right now. all it could take is a spark.
 
2012-08-15 08:55:06 PM

mab1823: Which 500?


Cheney gets to pick 'em.
 
2012-08-15 08:55:23 PM
I don't know about that but Israel will completely wreck Iran in a war.
 
2012-08-15 08:55:58 PM
It sounds good, but I'm looking for something with gas mileage and style. Do you have World War Three in a luxury sports edition?
 
2012-08-15 08:57:11 PM

Hobodeluxe: (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Indentured Servants, 9:8)


So jews had slaves for 5000 years, Americans...some Americans...had slaves for 400 years, and Americans are devils, and Jews are saints?

It must be..Tradition!
 
2012-08-15 08:57:39 PM
dervish16108
I only hope the Israeli people aren't as stupid as we were 10 years ago. I remember all the chickenhawks that used to post Neville Chamberlain pictures here back then.

That war is already down the memory hole. The conventional wisdom is that it ended well, if a little vaguely. Any contradictory news (such as the periodic coordinated suicide bomb attacks that kill dozens or hundreds of people) are sent to a little paragraph on page c-8.
 
2012-08-15 09:02:31 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Don't forget Russia.
We can kick of Revelations if we do this right, and hopefully all those preachy Christians and the rest of God's People will get Raptured away and leave the rest of us in peace.


Ya know, if it costs just 500 Israelis and 60,000 end-times media preachers and assorted snake-handlers, I'm fine with declaring victory at that point and taking our ball and going home.
 
2012-08-15 09:02:42 PM

RanDomino: intelligent comment below
What does Israel do to the Palestinians? Mass murder amiright?

I know you won't watch this, or you don't care, or it's not really a problem, or some other bullshiat excuse; but, for the rest of you who have some shred of basic decency, here's an illustration of what life is like for thousands of Palestinians, and for hundreds of thousands more lesser only in immediacy.



So basically just like living on a Native American reservation?
 
2012-08-15 09:02:51 PM
Nations fight wars because they believe they must. The major powers are using countries like Iran and NorK as pawns to play power games, instead of taking action to stabilize them. Policy change in Russia and Iran would become tamer, same thing with PRC and NorK. But world power politics won't allow that, so it may happen that Israel comes to believe that they must take out Iran, whatever the outcome.

As for calculating the cost, that is always just grist for the media that no one who is sensible believes. It costs what it costs, and the only thing worse than the cost of winning is the cost of losing. The Jews had no state and no instrumentality to enforce their will for over 1800 years, and it's a more deeply ingrained lesson than with some.

"War is a series of disasters ending in victory." - Georges Clemenceau
 
2012-08-15 09:06:02 PM

Hobodeluxe: it's in the Torah too



And it's also in the Christian Bible. And what does any of that have to do with the claim the slave trade in America was run by Jews?


WeenerGord: So jews had slaves for 5000 years, Americans...some Americans...had slaves for 400 years, and Americans are devils, and Jews are saints?

It must be..Tradition!



You're the people trying to paint Jews and Israel as the devil while their actions were not close to worse than any other country. Don't project your insecurities on anyone else but yourself.
 
2012-08-15 09:07:30 PM

randomjsa: I don't know about that but Israel will completely wreck Iran in a war.


This demonstrates a level of ignorance heretofore unknown to science.
 
2012-08-15 09:09:08 PM

intelligent comment below: You're the people trying to paint Jews and Israel as the devil while their actions were not close to worse than any other country. Don't project your insecurities on anyone else but yourself.


You said israel was a saint and and angel, and better than everyone else in the entire world, because other people had slaves, but Israel had slaves the longest. So maybe you are the one who is projecting.
 
2012-08-15 09:10:22 PM

shkkmo: Also, what happens after 30 days that causes the conflict to end?

What does isreal do say "We blew up all your equipment and factories and stuff. We're chill now right?" Assume that isreal does manage to decimate Iran's army to such an extent that Iran can't wage 'proper' war after 30 days... doesn't this just mean they now have for face an intense suicide bombing and shelling campaign?

Thats really the thing I don't get about the whole "Invade Iran" thing: how can it possibly end in a good way?


it doesn't and i imagine there will be some chaos across the whole region...
 
2012-08-15 09:12:23 PM

WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: You're the people trying to paint Jews and Israel as the devil while their actions were not close to worse than any other country. Don't project your insecurities on anyone else but yourself.

You said israel was a saint and and angel, and better than everyone else in the entire world, because other people had slaves, but Israel had slaves the longest. So maybe you are the one who is projecting.


You know how you can sing the shower all you want because no one is hearing you anyway?
 
2012-08-15 09:12:23 PM
Israel, one of only four nations on earth that refuses to sign and abide by the NPT, but they got the balls to whine about somebody else's nuclear program.


/bye bye now, have fun storming the castle
 
2012-08-15 09:14:47 PM

Magnanimous_J: My prediction: WWIII kills a billion people.


And WWIV will be fought with clubs and sticks.
 
2012-08-15 09:16:34 PM

WeenerGord: You said israel was a saint and and angel, and better than everyone else in the entire world



I said nothing of the sort, but keep telling yourself that


WeenerGord: because other people had slaves, but Israel had slaves the longest. So maybe you are the one who is projecting.



Israel had slaves the longest? WUT? So not only are you ignorant of current events but of history too. Good one
 
2012-08-15 09:17:41 PM

Virulency: i imagine there will be some chaos across the whole region...


And that is preferable to the current 'cold' stalemate, how?
 
2012-08-15 09:17:43 PM

2000ants: Israel, one of only four nations on earth that refuses to sign and abide by the NPT, but they got the balls to whine about somebody else's nuclear program.


/bye bye now, have fun storming the castle



Yes, actually, they do have the balls. Unlike America they only attack countries when directly threatened.
 
2012-08-15 09:20:30 PM

signaljammer: shkkmo
'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

//root
//word


And the 9/10 of the "decimated" Roman military squad had to do the deed. Would suck to be either one of the living or of the 1/10 dead.
 
2012-08-15 09:20:48 PM
Israel: Iran has nuclear power plants!!!!

The world: so? they signed the NPT and allow inspections

Israel: But they want to build illegal nukes!!!!

The world: You have illegal nukes

Israel: But,but holocaust!!!
 
2012-08-15 09:21:14 PM

intelligent comment below: So then 9/11 was justified based on the history of America dealing with the rest of the world?


it pretty much was, you know that, right?

we have been overthrowing, manipulating, murdering and instigating over there for the better part of 75 years, of course they will hate us.
 
2012-08-15 09:22:33 PM

IoSaturnalia: Virulency: i imagine there will be some chaos across the whole region...

And that is preferable to the current 'cold' stalemate, how?


other than lost lives and treasure?
 
2012-08-15 09:23:15 PM

SirHolo: signaljammer: shkkmo
'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

//root
//word


And here I thought it meant to have sex with every tenth soldier.
 
2012-08-15 09:23:36 PM

Lehk: intelligent comment below: So then 9/11 was justified based on the history of America dealing with the rest of the world?

it pretty much was, you know that, right?

we have been overthrowing, manipulating, murdering and instigating over there for the better part of 75 years, of course they will hate us.



So you admit how much worse the actions of America has been compared to Israel?
 
2012-08-15 09:24:22 PM

intelligent comment below: Israel done that can be classified worse than that?


Depleted Uranium (toxin, carcinogen, teratogen) in mortars and white phosphorus strikes on civillians.

also running over civilians with tanks and bulldozers.
 
2012-08-15 09:25:11 PM

WizardofToast: Yeah. A month. With minimal losses. And all of the Iranian citizens will gladly take this invasion and overthrow, the neighboring countries will be pretty chill with the whole thing happening and and a pig will fly right over the fireworks of the day of victory. No short-term or long-term effects, nosirree.


How did they score a Pink Floyd Reunion concert. I thought that'd never happen!
 
2012-08-15 09:28:51 PM

RanDomino:


Boudica's War Tampon
Iran used those weapons in a war against Iraq.

[[citation needed]]



In a declassified report from 1990 (DST-1620S-464-90, dated 15 March 1990), the Defense Intelligence Agency reported that "Iran used chemical weapons late in the war, but never as extensively or successfully as Iraq."

Additionally, it isn't important how often they used CW before. Iran has referred to CW and other weapons of mass destruction as the poor man's nuclear bomb. Syria has these weapons supplied to them by Iran. Since Israel has built nuclear weapons, I have no doubt Iran has developed alternatives, has used them in the Iraq war, has supplied them to countries such as Syria and will no doubt use them if Israel attacks Iran. And I don't blame them at all for doing so.
 
2012-08-15 09:30:40 PM

Lehk: intelligent comment below: Israel done that can be classified worse than that?

Depleted Uranium (toxin, carcinogen, teratogen) in mortars and white phosphorus strikes on civillians.

also running over civilians with tanks and bulldozers.



These are ammo used by America, you're confused.

And how many civilians are killed by tanks and bulldozers? I'd like numbers and proof this is a tactic to kill them.
 
2012-08-15 09:31:20 PM

BojanglesPaladin: SirHolo: signaljammer: shkkmo
'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

//root
//word

And here I thought it meant to have sex with every tenth soldier.



It doesn't specifically say that you can't, so....

/before or after you kill them?
 
2012-08-15 09:33:13 PM

WeenerGord: BojanglesPaladin: SirHolo: signaljammer: shkkmo
'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

//root
//word

And here I thought it meant to have sex with every tenth soldier.


It doesn't specifically say that you can't, so....

/before or after you kill them?


And THAT is where the phrase 'Centurion's choice' comes from.
 
2012-08-15 09:35:47 PM

intelligent comment below: Derp, hurr, derpa derp


i wonder if Professer Tom Lehrer was jewish? He kinda looks jewish. Love his work though!
 
2012-08-15 09:36:30 PM
Israel 176,500 active soldiers 565,000 reserve 8,050 paramilitary

Iran 523,000 active soldiers 1,800,000 reserve 1,510,000 paramilitary
 
2012-08-15 09:36:36 PM

intelligent comment below: 2000ants: Israel, one of only four nations on earth that refuses to sign and abide by the NPT, but they got the balls to whine about somebody else's nuclear program.


/bye bye now, have fun storming the castle


Yes, actually, they do have the balls. Unlike America they only attack countries when directly threatened.



Well since your advocating we attack countries with clandestine nuclear programs, why shouldn't the rest of the world see your clandestine nuclear program as a threat to stability and forcefully remove it, like you want the block's bully to do for you in Iran?
 
2012-08-15 09:38:12 PM

BojanglesPaladin: And THAT is where the phrase 'Centurion's choice' comes from.


LOL!
 
2012-08-15 09:38:15 PM
Please end needless war.

Thank you.
 
2012-08-15 09:40:34 PM
Cheney-ize a war? What does that mean?

The losers have to legalize gay marriage?
 
2012-08-15 09:40:36 PM
Oh yeah, then we can start looking back fondly at cheap $4/gal gas.
 
2012-08-15 09:42:13 PM
God I hope their right wing lunatics get them into a war that ruins their country. All it would take for that landmass is one good dirty bomb.
 
2012-08-15 09:42:15 PM
intelligent comment below
So basically just like living on a Native American reservation?

I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I

So you admit how much worse the actions of America has been compared to Israel?

And therefore Israel gets a free pass to do whatever evil they want just up to the point of being as evil as the most evil other country. Proportionally, what does that mean? Israel gets one free rape of every Arab? Maybe the government should print voucher cards, "redeem for one free rape"; just as long as it's not quite as bad as everything that America's ever done cumulatively.

You're the people trying to paint Jews and Israel as the devil while their actions were not close to worse than any other country. Don't project your insecurities on anyone else but yourself.

Poor, poor, repressed Israel. Manipulated, defeated, and/or overthrown every regional rival and with the world's only superpower in its back pocket, and still the victim.
 
2012-08-15 09:44:32 PM
Obama has yet to find a nation of brown people he won't bomb.

Once he is down 5 points in the polls.... Goodnight.
 
2012-08-15 09:49:59 PM

RanDomino: Poor, poor, repressed Israel. Manipulated, defeated, and/or overthrown every regional rival and with the world's only superpower in its back pocket, and still the victim.



What hero can resist a woman's tears?
 
2012-08-15 09:52:12 PM
sunnis 80-90 % of the world muslim population. shi'ites - 10 - 20 % of the world muslim population.

saudi arabia considers itself the leader of the sunni world - contains 2 of 3 holy sites (mecca and medina) - the other being in jerusalem. iran considers itself the leader of the shi'ite world - even thought the majoy holy sites are in mecca, medina and jerusalem, as above. there are additional shi'ite shrines in iraq (najaf, and a couple in karbala), saudi arabia (al-baql, another couple in mecca) as well as a couple in syria - but not iran

traditionally, western friendly iran stood alongside saudi arabia as one of a pair of dominant religious regional pillars. now, it doesn't. it has half the oil of saudi arabia, and has far less influence in the gulfstates outside of iraq - nevertheless, iran actively sponsors militias in about half a dozen, as it seeks to increase sunni / shi'ite tension. iran has tried repeatedly to influence iraq and to tie the states together. with the extraction of american troops this will only grow. this would obviously reduce saudi influence.

so, the idea that iran is not a threat to anyone is a nonsense. with its relationship with syria about to fall, saudi arabia and kurdish iraq willing to resist iranian attempts to effectively unite iran with iraq, as well as the continued development of asymmetric militias attempting to provoke saudi arabia and israel and undermine other regional powers, oil reserves that would only match saudi arabian if combined with iraq's, and on their own only 50% more than either kuwait or uae - which in turn align with saudi arabia, putting saudi arabia further beyond reach. add, to that backdrop, that iran has consistently attempted to destabilize the dollar and the euro, threaten israel and lay siege to world oil by blocking the straights of hormuz, etc. it all makes saudi arabia presently the clear power of the muslim world, leaving the possibility of an isolated iran, with no holy pitches, about 15% of regional power.

now, maybe we could give iran the country of iraq, a few dozen nuclear weapons, maybe a couple of lesser gulf states, jerusalem, and maybe one of mecca or medina, maybe invent a few hundred million more shi'ite muslims whilst we are at it and everything would be great. it's kind of unlikely, though
 
2012-08-15 09:54:50 PM

Hobodeluxe: Israel 176,500 active soldiers 565,000 reserve 8,050 paramilitary

Iran 523,000 active soldiers 1,800,000 reserve 1,510,000 paramilitary


...which is why Israel keeps trying to drag the U.S. into a direct conflict with every country that scares it. The interesting part is whether Israel will finally use its nuclear arsenal to start a war with a country that doesn't have one, but might get one (and therefore scare Israel with it), thereby removing any protection it could get from its allies, or whether Israel will get wiped from the map by a military force several times its size in a war Israel started.
 
2012-08-15 09:55:54 PM

intelligent comment below: Hobodeluxe: because they might do what Israel is threatening to do?
Israel promotes terrorism by proxy,assassinations,spies on it's friends and enemies alike and oppresses it's own people. it also makes regular threats against Iran.
they aren't innocent bystanders in all this.

Israel has looked too long into the abyss


So then 9/11 was justified based on the history of America dealing with the rest of the world? Do you really want to go down this slippery slope?


Well, I don't think that killing innocents is ever justified, but if you seriously believe that people would willingly fly airplanes into buildings "because they hate our freedom" then you have an everly simplistic view of the world and how actions can build to unforseen side effects.
 
2012-08-15 09:56:10 PM
If you start a war, you're not the good guy.
 
2012-08-15 10:02:43 PM

dugrik: Who green-lit this train-wreck of a headline?


what he said.
 
2012-08-15 10:04:59 PM
Starting a war with Iran is pretty much all Romney has in his platform under "Foreign Policy".

That and ending unemployment in China and India...
 
2012-08-15 10:06:07 PM

beta_plus: Actually, when the Israelis make a promise for violence, they keep it. They don't get too hung up on rules of engagement and human rights.

/seriously, don't fark with them
//imagine a corps of America's best Marines who have one order:
///Win


Which is why we should be supporting them not at all unless they get rid of the nukes. Radiation is not our friend, we cannot kill civilians with it over anything less than the entire damn galaxy being ready to kill us, and we have no damn money.

Israel needs to shut up.
 
2012-08-15 10:07:29 PM

WeenerGord: BojanglesPaladin: And THAT is where the phrase 'Centurion's choice' comes from.

LOL!


Sumbiatch! There's a whole BOOK about it!
 
2012-08-15 10:09:08 PM
I just hope we have the brains to stay out of it. This could be a great thing for the world; Two annoying little pissant countries blasting each other to pieces. Good riddance to them both.
 
2012-08-15 10:09:28 PM
Just... Everyone seriously rah-rahing over this?

I really, truly, and I say this with all honesty, hope someone murders you and your whole family and burns down your home because they disagree with American foreign policy, because that is what you are wishing on other people.
 
2012-08-15 10:10:35 PM

Pantubo: Cheney-ize a war? What does that mean?

The losers have to legalize gay marriage?


Pantubo: Obama has yet to find a nation of brown people he won't bomb.

Once he is down 5 points in the polls.... Goodnight.


Seriously?

I eat you only b/c you rob good references of their inherent good, no?

No, also b/c you leave hate online.

Words leave marks deeper than sword wounds, friend.

And I am a Master of Words, you?

Shall we play?

;)
 
2012-08-15 10:12:07 PM

Pantubo: Cheney-ize a war? What does that mean?

The losers have to legalize gay marriage?


You know, ridiculous outright lies.
 
2012-08-15 10:12:44 PM
Shut up, subdumbass; nobody is talking about a Cheney-style invasion. Israel wants to do an air-to-ground war, a la US Air Force vs. Serbia, which involved how many US casualties? That's right, none.
 
2012-08-15 10:17:19 PM

mbillips: Cheney-style invasion


This phrase is so uninformed.
 
2012-08-15 10:18:15 PM

hitlersbrain: I just hope we have the brains to stay out of it. This could be a great thing for the world; Two annoying little pissant countries blasting each other to pieces. Good riddance to them both.


I had the same reaction in the Seventies to the conflict in Northern Ireland. Tired of hearing about it -- just nuke Belfast.
Same deal here. It's a religious conflict (and much of it is within Islam) so let them kill each other.
Of course the unfortunate thing is many innocents die.
 
2012-08-15 10:19:43 PM

mbillips: Shut up, subdumbass; nobody is talking about a Cheney-style invasion. Israel wants to do an air-to-ground war, a la US Air Force vs. Serbia, which involved how many US casualties? That's right, none.


Unlike Serbia, Iran has the capability to strike back. Do you think they will just lie there and take it?
 
2012-08-15 10:19:50 PM
hitlersbrain
I just hope we have the brains to stay out of it.

There are, what, three carriers in the gulf right now?
 
2012-08-15 10:21:50 PM

JAYoung: hitlersbrain: I just hope we have the brains to stay out of it. This could be a great thing for the world; Two annoying little pissant countries blasting each other to pieces. Good riddance to them both.

I had the same reaction in the Seventies to the conflict in Northern Ireland. Tired of hearing about it -- just nuke Belfast.
Same deal here. It's a religious conflict (and much of it is within Islam) so let them kill each other.
Of course the unfortunate thing is many innocents die.


And that would have been such a better outcome for Ireland than what actually happened.

It's amazing how someone can stagger through life having powerful lessons like that rammed directly into his eyeball and somehow never get it.
 
2012-08-15 10:25:02 PM
Can we finally agree thar religion as a whole is the problem here? Please let us just start there.
Without religion, why do we fight?
 
2012-08-15 10:27:24 PM

DidyoumeanDark: Can we finally agree thar religion as a whole is the problem here? Please let us just start there.
Without religion, why do we fight?


resources? land?
 
2012-08-15 10:27:37 PM

DidyoumeanDark: Can we finally agree thar religion as a whole is the problem here? Please let us just start there.
Without religion, why do we fight?



Adorable.
 
2012-08-15 10:30:51 PM
lazyoptimist.files.wordpress.com

Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.
 
2012-08-15 10:31:56 PM

RanDomino: hitlersbrain
I just hope we have the brains to stay out of it.

There are, what, three carriers in the gulf right now?


Well, we know how that narrative goes.

"We urge Israel not to engage in unprovoked attacks on Iran, and we warn them that we will not support such action but condemn it in the strongest possible fashion."
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"We categorically reject intervening. This is not America's fight, and we ask everyone to remember the innocent people on both sides of this senseless conflict."
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"Our sympathies go out to our allies and friends in Israel, but we must also not forget the people of Iran. We hope for a quick resolution to this senseless war."
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"Our sympathies go out to our allies and friends in Israel and we are proud to announce that we are providing humanitarian aid to help address the recent food shortage as well as rebuilding damage civilian residences."
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"We continue to call for an end to this senseless war. However, we recognize our responsibility to our friends and allies in Israel and are sending 2,000 troops in a strictly defensive capacity to help protect Tel Aviv."
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"We stand with our friends in Israel and are saddened and outraged by these attacks. I have authorized an additional 2,000 troops to help defend Israel against Iranian incursion."
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"The senseless aggression by Iran toward our friends in Israel can no longer be tolerated. That is why I am asking Congress for authorization to send 20,000 active-duty troops to augment our personnel already on the ground. In addition, we have already begun, based on standing authorization, targeted air strikes against Iranian military emplacements."

And by the time three weeks are up Iran will have been the evil instigators the whole time and there will be endless cheering of America's "thoughtful defense of her allies".
 
2012-08-15 10:33:23 PM
I really don't like all this talk of a Israel/Iran war combined with the territorial fights in Asia over islands and seas.

Come on, humanity, get it together. :-/
 
2012-08-15 10:35:55 PM
"Religion will be the destroyer or uniter of your planet; you decide. War is not the answer to your questions."

*he said whistling while walking away*
 
2012-08-15 10:36:48 PM

anfrind: [lazyoptimist.files.wordpress.com image 350x290]

Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.


... and every single day, millions of insects kill each other all over the world.... and no one cares. It is not the individual accomplishment at all, but the constant killing and birthing over billions of years which gives a species the right to exist. The universe is a cold, hard biatch.

/Didnt really have anything to say, I just enjoy astrophysics and felt like jumping in
 
2012-08-15 10:38:12 PM

Alonjar: anfrind: [lazyoptimist.files.wordpress.com image 350x290]

Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.

... and every single day, millions of insects kill each other all over the world.... and no one cares. It is not the individual accomplishment at all, but the constant killing and birthing over billions of years which gives a species the right to exist. The universe is a cold, hard biatch.

/Didnt really have anything to say, I just enjoy astrophysics and felt like jumping in


/Fear much?
 
2012-08-15 10:40:13 PM

God-is-a-Taco: I really don't like all this talk of a Israel/Iran war combined with the territorial fights in Asia over islands and seas.

Come on, humanity, get it together. :-/


If Russia and China ever find a reason to work together, they could make quite a mess.
 
2012-08-15 10:41:36 PM
A Dark Evil Omen
"The senseless aggression by Iran toward our friends in Israel can no longer be tolerated. That is why I am asking Congress for authorization to send 20,000 active-duty troops to augment our personnel already on the ground. In addition, we have already begun, based on standing authorization, targeted air strikes against Iranian military emplacements."

eh, if Americans are being shot at, nothing else would matter in the propaganda.
 
2012-08-15 10:43:41 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: God-is-a-Taco: I really don't like all this talk of a Israel/Iran war combined with the territorial fights in Asia over islands and seas.

Come on, humanity, get it together. :-/

If Russia and China ever find a reason to work together, they could make quite a mess.


Quit with the war and stuff, please.

Thank you.
 
2012-08-15 10:46:21 PM
Operation Barbarossa?
 
2012-08-15 10:48:11 PM
When given time to plan. And network their assets (netcentric warfare) there isn't much Israel can't do.

And do it well. They've had a looong time to look at Iran.


/Bekka
//cake walk
 
2012-08-15 10:49:26 PM
Puts down Beer. Thinks for a minute.

Well, if it's only 500 Israelis, then go ahead.
Just don't expect the US to bleed for you. I think the populace is sick to death of the ME being a headache to the rest of the world. If you want to kill each other, by all means, do so.
Just leave us out of it.

Would gladly fence off the whole area and just deal with whomever is left after you all are done.
Even if all that was left was a glass parking lot, at least it'd be quiet.
 
2012-08-15 10:51:07 PM
Virtual Pariah
Just leave us out of it.

wishful thinking
Maybe you should have been paying more farking attention when your government was picking sides without asking you?
 
2012-08-15 10:51:24 PM
spelled it wrong...

It's Bekaa...

as in the colloquial name, the Bekaa Valley Turkey Shoot..
 
2012-08-15 10:56:05 PM
A Dark Evil Omen

Just... Everyone seriously rah-rahing over this?

I really, truly, and I say this with all honesty, hope someone murders you and your whole family and burns down your home because they disagree with American foreign policy, because that is what you are wishing on other people.


i'm not wishing any such thing.

given current iranian relations with the rest of the world, i do think increasingly significant iranian control of iraq increases the chance of war with, well, take your pick
 
2012-08-15 10:57:37 PM

RanDomino: Virtual Pariah
Just leave us out of it.

wishful thinking
Maybe you should have been paying more farking attention when your government was picking sides without asking you?


I would have, but this started well before I was of age to have an opinion.

The world changes and so does the will of the people.
 
2012-08-15 10:58:35 PM

Virtual Pariah: Puts down Beer. Thinks for a minute.

Well, if it's only 500 Israelis, then go ahead.
Just don't expect the US to bleed for you. I think the populace is sick to death of the ME being a headache to the rest of the world. If you want to kill each other, by all means, do so.
Just leave us out of it.

Would gladly fence off the whole area and just deal with whomever is left after you all are done.
Even if all that was left was a glass parking lot, at least it'd be quiet.


How very humanitarian of you.
 
2012-08-15 10:58:56 PM
Words.
 
2012-08-15 10:59:23 PM
Hey, if Israel's plan is to just slash and burn everything, then I think they're spot on with that estimate. When Israel invades, they either keep it as their own and slowly extricate the native population, or they just blow the shiat out of everything.

They're using some of the finest military hardware in the world. After all, we made it and gave it to them.
 
2012-08-15 11:00:13 PM
Virtual Pariah
I would have, but this started well before I was of age to have an opinion.

The world changes and so does the will of the people.


Well thank goodness that it's not your fault.
 
2012-08-15 11:03:39 PM

thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Puts down Beer. Thinks for a minute.

Well, if it's only 500 Israelis, then go ahead.
Just don't expect the US to bleed for you. I think the populace is sick to death of the ME being a headache to the rest of the world. If you want to kill each other, by all means, do so.
Just leave us out of it.

Would gladly fence off the whole area and just deal with whomever is left after you all are done.
Even if all that was left was a glass parking lot, at least it'd be quiet.

How very humanitarian of you.


Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?

I've decided that not one cent nor one more drop of American blood should be spilled in the mess that region is and has been.
 
2012-08-15 11:07:26 PM

RanDomino: Virtual Pariah
I would have, but this started well before I was of age to have an opinion.

The world changes and so does the will of the people.

Well thank goodness that it's not your fault.


I find it helps me sleep at night.
 
2012-08-15 11:08:22 PM
Frankly, I liked this thread better when it had more etymology and Roman necrophilia.

As much fun at the badminton match of "Isreal sucks", "No YOU" is, it gets kind of pointless.

And 21-7-b being the one making an informed cogent analysis is frankly causing me to bleed from the eyes.
 
2012-08-15 11:12:13 PM

netcentric: spelled it wrong...

It's Bekaa...

as in the colloquial name, the Bekaa Valley Turkey Shoot..


I remember a graphic on the front of a newspaper at the time showing the stats in the "battle". That couldn't have been good for Russian aircraft sales.
 
2012-08-15 11:14:47 PM
Virtual Pariah:

I've decided that not one cent nor one more drop of American blood should be spilled in the mess that region is and has been.

Take a seat there Oprah.....

All 'America' has to do is not get in the way. Israel ftw.
 
2012-08-15 11:18:28 PM

Virtual Pariah: Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?


Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family and instead has a democratic government, and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away, so that's good, and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).
 
2012-08-15 11:20:21 PM
or start World War III
 
2012-08-15 11:25:02 PM

thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?

Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family and instead has a democratic government, and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away, so that's good, and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).


No it's not.

I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.
 
2012-08-15 11:28:37 PM

21-7-b: A Dark Evil Omen

Just... Everyone seriously rah-rahing over this?

I really, truly, and I say this with all honesty, hope someone murders you and your whole family and burns down your home because they disagree with American foreign policy, because that is what you are wishing on other people.

i'm not wishing any such thing.

given current iranian relations with the rest of the world, i do think increasingly significant iranian control of iraq increases the chance of war with, well, take your pick


Then that is Iran's issue. But anyone cheering mass murder because it's politically expedient or because the TV machine told them IRAN BAD... Well, getting rid of people like that would be more "expedient" from where I'm sitting.
 
2012-08-15 11:28:47 PM

cameroncrazy1984: This demonstrates a level of ignorance heretofore unknown to science.


Okay, since you're that stupid. I'll educate you.

Israel has an air force that, short of interference from the United States or one of the European countries, is going to decimate anything Iran puts in the sky in roughly five minutes. Complete and total air superiority will then systematically destroy every piece of war infrastructure that Iran has. At the end of 30 days Iran would be so crippled that it's ability to do anything more than stubbornly resist as best it can would be all it has left. Assuming it comes to a ground war, Israel has better... well... everything, but particularly tanks and some of the best tank crews in the world. A fight between Israel and Iran could only be more one sided if it as the United States instead of Israel fighting.

Oh and unlike the United States, Israel is probably not going to be nearly as friendly about its warfare. So keep that in mind.
 
2012-08-15 11:29:51 PM

kbronsito: Iran has the largest and most diverse ballistic missile arsenal in the Middle East

Yes. They have missiles designed in both Photoshop AND Illustrator available in EPS, PDF, and JPG


Don't forget the animated GIFs.
 
2012-08-15 11:30:12 PM

robbrie: or start World War III


"Oh no you didn't, ye."
 
2012-08-15 11:41:38 PM
Don't be a dick, instead, try to help one another.
Problem solved.
 
2012-08-15 11:41:49 PM

Virtual Pariah: thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?

Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family and instead has a democratic government, and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away, so that's good, and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).

No it's not.

I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.


We can't afford not to, unfortuantely. China would be on those oil and gas reserves like a fat kid on cake, if Russia didn't beat them to it. Nature abhors a vacuum, the vacuum created in the ME in the absence of US domination would lead to some seriously farked up global scale conflicts.
 
2012-08-15 11:43:49 PM

2000ants: Well since your advocating we attack countries with clandestine nuclear programs, why shouldn't the rest of the world see your clandestine nuclear program as a threat to stability and forcefully remove it, like you want the block's bully to do for you in Iran?



Go right ahead and try
 
2012-08-15 11:44:44 PM

WeenerGord: i wonder if Professer Tom Lehrer was jewish? He kinda looks jewish. Love his work though!



After reading the nonsense you post, calling other peoples words "Derp" is some great projection
 
2012-08-15 11:46:12 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: 9/11 Israelis

In September 2001, The New York Times and Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that four hours after the attack, the FBI arrested five Israelis who had been filming the smoking skyline from the roof of a white van in the parking lot of an apartment building, for "puzzling behavior". They were charged with illegally residing in the United States and working there without permits. The Israelis were said to have been videotaping the disaster with what was interpreted as cries of "joy and mockery".[57][58] Police found the van and a search revealed $4,700 in cash hidden, along with foreign passports and a boxcutter which aroused suspicions and led to the detention of the occupants. The men were held in detention for more than 2 months, during which time they were subjected to interrogation and lie detector tests, before being deported back to Israel; one of the men (Paul Kurzberg) refused to take the test for 10 weeks, and then failed it.[59]

The five men worked at the company Urban Moving Systems, owned and operated by Dominick Suter. After the men were arrested the FBI searched their offices and questioned Suter, however Suter fled to Israel before he could be questioned further. Eventually, Suter's name appeared on the May 2002 FBI Suspect List, along with the September 11 hijackers and other suspected extremists.[60][not in citation given][61][62][63]

According to a former CIA chief of operations for counterterrorism Vince Cannistraro, there was speculation that Urban Moving Systems may have been a front for an intelligence operation investigating fund-raising networks channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad. On March 15, 2002, The Forward claimed that the FBI had concluded that the van's driver, Paul Kurzberg, and his brother Sivan, were indeed Mossad operatives, who were in America "spying on local Arabs".[64] ABC news cited this report on June 21, 2002, adding that the FBI had concluded that the five Israelis had no foreknowledge of the attacks ...


i278.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-15 11:46:18 PM

Virtual Pariah: thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?

Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family and instead has a democratic government, and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away, so that's good, and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).

No it's not.

I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.


As long as it sits atop significant vital resources, involvement is unavoidable.
 
2012-08-15 11:48:00 PM

RanDomino: and still the victim.



Who said they're the victim? There you go again with your own persecution complex


snowshovel: Well, I don't think that killing innocents is ever justified, but if you seriously believe that people would willingly fly airplanes into buildings "because they hate our freedom" then you have an everly simplistic view of the world and how actions can build to unforseen side effects.



Well that was my point, maybe you should read what I said again.


BojanglesPaladin: Well I honestly hope he's not dead. But I don't honestly miss him carpet bombing Israel threads. But it would still be an improvement over ICBM's feeble attempts.


Funny how you can't debate one thing I said but you label my comments "feeble"

Broad childish generalizations are fun, but don't call you a troll.
 
2012-08-15 11:49:35 PM

RanDomino: And therefore Israel gets a free pass to do whatever evil they want just up to the point of being as evil as the most evil other country. Proportionally, what does that mean? Israel gets one free rape of every Arab? Maybe the government should print voucher cards, "redeem for one free rape"; just as long as it's not quite as bad as everything that America's ever done cumulatively.



What's with your obsession about rape? I think it's quite obvious who has the persecution complex here.

The point I made was simple, you're going off on an emo tangent because your hatred blinds you
 
2012-08-15 11:50:51 PM

thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?

Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family and instead has a democratic government, and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away, so that's good, and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).


Iraq now has instead an increasingly corrupt government which hasn't done squat for its people.
Afghanis are waiting till we're gone to reinstate the Taliban because they've already done it once and they're notorious for not liking puppet regimes.

So that's only good by comparison, I guess.
 
2012-08-15 11:52:48 PM

Virtual Pariah: Puts down Beer. Thinks for a minute.

Well, if it's only 500 Israelis, then go ahead.
Just don't expect the US to bleed for you. I think the populace is sick to death of the ME being a headache to the rest of the world. If you want to kill each other, by all means, do so.
Just leave us out of it.

Would gladly fence off the whole area and just deal with whomever is left after you all are done.
Even if all that was left was a glass parking lot, at least it'd be quiet.



How ironic considering America has involved itself in the ME for decades because it needs cheap oil to fuel its economy.

Yeah, just leave poor America out of it. Let them overthrow regimes and create puppet states and suck the dick of Saudi princes! How dare you get angry at that!
 
2012-08-15 11:56:24 PM

thunderbird8804: Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family



A crime family put in place, armed and funded by America, how ironic


thunderbird8804: and instead has a democratic government



A Democratic government that oppresses minority Muslims?


thunderbird8804: and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away



Another bizarre wtf moment. Do you pay attention at all?


thunderbird8804: and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).



Says the guy trying to play off Iraq and Afghanistan as peaceful thriving democracies.
 
2012-08-15 11:58:49 PM
Virtual Pariah
I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.


Let me know if merely having an opinion ever changes anything.
 
2012-08-16 12:03:45 AM
Can they just go glass parking lot each other already?

The Islamists seem like crazy mid-east redneck fundamentalists that seem to take every opportunity to act like religious nut jobs.

And the Israeli Zionists seem to keep ebbing closer and closer to the "you become what you fear the most" school of international policy.

All of of this, at least ostensibly over control of the armpit of the earth with the dubious "God told me it so it's true" excuse.

Just farking nuke the shiat outta each other already, everybody gets to go to heaven, nobody gets to occupy any of that crappy piece of god forsaken earth. And hell, maybe it'll have the benefit of pushing more non-fossil fuel energy sources as access to oil in that region (what it's about for the rest of the world) would be mostly cut off.

/WIN WIN WIN
 
2012-08-16 12:05:36 AM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: "you become what you fear the most"



Just like Hitler amiright?
 
2012-08-16 12:05:49 AM

Virtual Pariah: thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?

Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family and instead has a democratic government, and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away, so that's good, and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).

No it's not.

I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.


Two posts ago...

Virtual Pariah: Would gladly fence off the whole area and just deal with whomever is left after you all are done.
Even if all that was left was a glass parking lot, at least it'd be quiet.


What you said you wanted was a whole lot of people to die, I guess so you can have some peace of mind. The old Kissinger plan is really good at that, and doesn't involve much money or effort (and doesn't use any US troops, double bonus!). Really all you have to do is give the CIA a few million dollars and let them run rampant without any oversight and overnight you have mass graves filled to overflowing with those no good middle easterners.
 
2012-08-16 12:06:35 AM
It is a good day to die.
 
2012-08-16 12:07:06 AM
i1172.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-16 12:13:40 AM
i1172.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-16 12:29:34 AM

intelligent comment below: Serious Post on Serious Thread: "you become what you fear the most"


Just like Hitler amiright?


why ever would that association come into your mind?

/unless it rings true amirite?
 
2012-08-16 12:34:56 AM

thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Perhaps,
But explain to me how our involvement has done any good in the region?

Well, Iraq is no longer the sole property of a psychopathic crime family and instead has a democratic government, and the theocratic regime that turned Afghanistan into the shiathole we all know and love has been swept away, so that's good, and a big change from our prior policy of playing dictatorial client states against one another, often resulting in mass death and unimaginable misery (which is close to your proposed plan for the region).

No it's not.

I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.

Two posts ago...

Virtual Pariah: Would gladly fence off the whole area and just deal with whomever is left after you all are done.
Even if all that was left was a glass parking lot, at least it'd be quiet.

What you said you wanted was a whole lot of people to die, I guess so you can have some peace of mind. The old Kissinger plan is really good at that, and doesn't involve much money or effort (and doesn't use any US troops, double bonus!). Really all you have to do is give the CIA a few million dollars and let them run rampant without any oversight and overnight you have mass graves filled to overflowing with those no good middle easterners.



Way to twist intent.

I said I don't want americans to die for the ME. I did not say that I wanted a whole lot of anybody to die. I am saying that if the fighting in inevitable, I don't want american lives to be lost.

If the only way to stop americans from dying in a war that seems to be a ME issue only, then yes, I would gladly fence off the area until it's over and deal with the winner.

At no point did I use the phrase "No Good Middle Easterners", If the people of the ME choose to live in peace without this endless fighting, I would be fine with that too.

I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.

I'm sorry you can't understand that sentiment.
 
2012-08-16 12:39:08 AM

RanDomino: Virtual Pariah
I'm saying very clearly that my proposed plan for the region is one of non-involvement. I have no interest in playing one group off another, nor selling weapons to either side.

I simply want to NOT be involved in the turf war that the ME has always been. I don't think we can A. Afford it and B. Spend time and effort in a non-ending struggle.

Let me know if merely having an opinion ever changes anything.


Are you doing anything about it?
Are you furthering your beliefs posting here?
 
2012-08-16 12:52:05 AM

Virtual Pariah: Way to twist intent.

I said I don't want americans to die for the ME. I did not say that I wanted a whole lot of anybody to die. I am saying that if the fighting in inevitable, I don't want american lives to be lost.

If the only way to stop americans from dying in a war that seems to be a ME issue only, then yes, I would gladly fence off the area until it's over and deal with the winner.

At no point did I use the phrase "No Good Middle Easterners", If the people of the ME choose to live in peace without this endless fighting, I would be fine with that too.

I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.

I'm sorry you can't understand that sentiment.


mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com

Good luck.
 
2012-08-16 12:56:42 AM

Hobodeluxe: DidyoumeanDark: Can we finally agree thar religion as a whole is the problem here? Please let us just start there.
Without religion, why do we fight?

resources? land?


Well sure. But the reason there are two sides to fight over those are because of religion.
 
2012-08-16 01:05:16 AM
Most of you are tools. Israel has said nothing about occupying, stabilizing, and rebuilding Iran. They just want to destroy the nuclear capabilities of Iran. This means go in kill destroy leave. Nothing about hanging around and experiencing Persian hospitality, more gold columns now! They estimate I month, 500 dead. I'd guess more like 3 weeks, 200 dead. Having experienced 1st hand the capabilities of Muslim muj I'm unimpressed. Granted Israel was not too impressive in their last outing. So maybe 1k dead, 3 times wounded. Not too bad if YOU BELIEVE IT WILL WARD OFF ANOTHER HOLOCAUST. It's amazing to me how many of you think our opinions or thoughts on a subject matter. If Israel thinks Iran is getting nukes for the purpose of wiping them out, then Israel will attack inspite of all your snippy, asinine, pretentious comments. Your opinions matter less than 1/2 a poop.
 
2012-08-16 01:09:06 AM

thunderbird8804:

[mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com image 540x650]

Good luck.


Which you have already tied into the prior Kissinger plans, so that cause and effect has been established.

If I understand correctly.
Our 9/11 was supposedly because of the 1st Gulf war(OBL claimed it was) which was the unintended result of us arming IRAQ against IRAN.

So once again, my belief in non-involvement in the ME would have held up in the past (No Iran/Iraq issues), and in the instance of Israel vs Iran we would still be in a better place if we did not get involved.
 
2012-08-16 01:13:07 AM

M11618: . Your opinions matter less than 1/2 a poop.


Of course they don't. But spirited discussion is about all we have.
This is way out of out bailiwick.
 
2012-08-16 01:13:29 AM

Virtual Pariah: Which you have already tied into the prior Kissinger plans, so that cause and effect has been established.


9/11 had not a thing to do with Kissinger, or any previous administrations policies, it happened because Bin Laden and his goons are fanatically faithful, and thoroughly nihilistic.
 
2012-08-16 01:17:30 AM
Cheney-ize a war ?

Is that where you get to ride shotgun into it?
 
2012-08-16 01:17:42 AM

M11618: Most of you are tools. Israel has said nothing about occupying, stabilizing, and rebuilding Iran. They just want to destroy the nuclear capabilities of Iran. This means go in kill destroy leave. Nothing about hanging around and experiencing Persian hospitality, more gold columns now! They estimate I month, 500 dead. I'd guess more like 3 weeks, 200 dead. Having experienced 1st hand the capabilities of Muslim muj I'm unimpressed. Granted Israel was not too impressive in their last outing. So maybe 1k dead, 3 times wounded. Not too bad if YOU BELIEVE IT WILL WARD OFF ANOTHER HOLOCAUST. It's amazing to me how many of you think our opinions or thoughts on a subject matter. If Israel thinks Iran is getting nukes for the purpose of wiping them out, then Israel will attack inspite of all your snippy, asinine, pretentious comments. Your opinions matter less than 1/2 a poop.


And yet here you are.
 
2012-08-16 01:25:47 AM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: why ever would that association come into your mind?

/unless it rings true amirite?



Assad killed more of his own people in the past year than Israel has ever killed Palestinians. But Israel is becoming like Hitler, of course it's true.
 
2012-08-16 01:26:37 AM

Virtual Pariah: I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.



What is the gas mileage of your car? Do you have solar panels on your roof? Do you run ac or heat 24/7?
 
2012-08-16 01:27:03 AM

thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Way to twist intent.

I said I don't want americans to die for the ME. I did not say that I wanted a whole lot of anybody to die. I am saying that if the fighting in inevitable, I don't want american lives to be lost.

If the only way to stop americans from dying in a war that seems to be a ME issue only, then yes, I would gladly fence off the area until it's over and deal with the winner.

At no point did I use the phrase "No Good Middle Easterners", If the people of the ME choose to live in peace without this endless fighting, I would be fine with that too.

I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.

I'm sorry you can't understand that sentiment.

[mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com image 540x650]

Good luck.


Indeed. We have been meddling in the affairs of the middle east since beforee the cold war. After WW2 it only intensified. To think that "they" hate us for our freedoms is derptastic. A few religious extremists hate us for that. But the majority of "they" hate us for things like Israel, the Shah of Iran, then Saddam, the support of the Saudis, infidels stationed in Saudi Arabia, and a lot Im surely forgetting.
 
2012-08-16 01:30:28 AM

thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Way to twist intent.

I said I don't want americans to die for the ME. I did not say that I wanted a whole lot of anybody to die. I am saying that if the fighting in inevitable, I don't want american lives to be lost.

If the only way to stop americans from dying in a war that seems to be a ME issue only, then yes, I would gladly fence off the area until it's over and deal with the winner.

At no point did I use the phrase "No Good Middle Easterners", If the people of the ME choose to live in peace without this endless fighting, I would be fine with that too.

I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.

I'm sorry you can't understand that sentiment.

[mysteryworlds.files.wordpress.com image 540x650]

Good luck.


And the US has yet to go after the Saudis for it.
 
2012-08-16 01:30:43 AM

thunderbird8804: Virtual Pariah: Which you have already tied into the prior Kissinger plans, so that cause and effect has been established.

9/11 had not a thing to do with Kissinger, or any previous administrations policies, it happened because Bin Laden and his goons are fanatically faithful, and thoroughly nihilistic.


I'm only going by the stated reasons. My understanding, based on the old OBL cave tapes, was that he was acting against the US for our actions in the 1st gulf war. (Something about we should have not even placed foot in the area.)

So, I'm just trying to make some sense of it based on the history of the area. The US armed Iran during the Shah's leadership. We backed Iraq as a counterweight when Iran had a governmental shift. That was US policy.

Iraq, who had been strengthened since their issues with Iran, invaded Kuwait.

The US led a coalition to take back Kuwait. (OBL claimed we should not have done that.)

OBL struck us in retaliation (weather that is the real reason, who knows. I agree they were fanatics, but something set them off seeing as we trained OBL in Afghanistan, it is safe to say he was considered an asset at one time.)

So either, the ME is full of fanatics, (which we would be best avoiding) or US policy over the decades caused a retaliatory strike against us (which would not have happened if we stayed non-involved)

Now we are talking about Israel and Iran. Once again, we have a choice. Do we get involved, (lots of lobby money would like to see us advocate for Israel, which in turn would make us susceptible to another retaliatory strike), do we advocate for Iran, (whose people don't know what to make of the US, but whose government knows that keeping us as an external enemy keeps them in power),or do we let this happen without any US interference (my belief).
 
2012-08-16 01:34:28 AM

intelligent comment below: Virtual Pariah: I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.


What is the gas mileage of your car? Do you have solar panels on your roof? Do you run ac or heat 24/7?


Honestly, what is your point?

I get the oil situation. But we have dealt with other countries in a business setting w/o trying to interfere with their government.
 
2012-08-16 01:38:43 AM

Virtual Pariah: intelligent comment below: Virtual Pariah: I simply want no American involvement in their affairs.


What is the gas mileage of your car? Do you have solar panels on your roof? Do you run ac or heat 24/7?

Honestly, what is your point?

I get the oil situation. But we have dealt with other countries in a business setting w/o trying to interfere with their government.



And you think OPEC will say okay when America tells them to raise or lower production to manipulate prices? Or not sell more to China?

America has been addicted to cheap oil for decades, that requires it to meddle in the Middle East.

Either change your ridiculous consumption or don't be shocked when you have to send troops to enforce your demands on unwilling nations.

15 of the 17 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi nationals.
 
2012-08-16 02:04:27 AM
...In my humble opinion, in the nuclear world, the true enemy is war itself.

-Major T. J. "King" Kong in THE DAY AFTER


/getting an uneasy feeling the decision has already been made.
 
2012-08-16 02:04:51 AM

Virtual Pariah: So either, the ME is full of fanatics, (which we would be best avoiding) or US policy over the decades caused a retaliatory strike against us (which would not have happened if we stayed non-involved)


Or the Middle East has various flavors of fanatic engaged in a civil war with one another, with lots of innocent people caught in the middle, and we find ourselves participating in this civil war, partially because we were drawn into it, and partially because of the debt we owe to those innocent people for the failings of our past foreign policy.
 
2012-08-16 02:07:21 AM

intelligent comment below: Serious Post on Serious Thread: why ever would that association come into your mind?

/unless it rings true amirite?


Assad killed more of his own people in the past year than Israel has ever killed Palestinians. But Israel is becoming like Hitler, of course it's true.


Ah, the old "But we've killed less defense", always a classic.

You clearly missed the point of my entire Boobies. To be clear, I'm a recovering catholic/atheist, living in America and of mostly European decent. I live in NY, many friends and gf-s have been/are Jewish, not many muslims that I know of, but I don't really ask either. I really really don't give a fark over all about the mideast EXCEPT it keeps spilling over into my news cycles and economic well being and mental health.

It's just asinine.

Look, if I actually try and conjure some metaphor for what the hell is going on in the ME, it's like if after some farked up war where atheists were nearly exterminated, the world decided to carve out a chunk of Mississippi, displace the native inhabitants, and create a well armed Atheist state. It'd suck I guess, to be surrounded by red neck fundamentalists bent on killing you, and I'd want to defend myself by all means necessary. But if it kept dragging in the rest of the world mostly because there was a lot of oil there, and the ongoing schism was based on religion, I think I'd say 'fark it'. Either go nuclear or piss off.

And seriously, the ME crap is infinitely worse b/c it's based on thousands of years of BS religious infighting. I'm just tired of it, hearing about it, feeling shiatty it is happening as a human, knowing I play a part as an American who simultaneously feeds the death monster that ya'll created with my countryman and sending my tax dollars there to continue it and propping up fossil fuel scumbag corporations.

I know you really REALLY want this to be about the poor trod upon jews and the evil evil muslims, but I just don't care anymore. farking end it in holy Armageddon or STFU and act like decent humans.

/my guess, from your 'but they're worse' line of reasoning is GLASS PARKING LOT FTW
 
2012-08-16 02:11:35 AM

Gyrfalcon: Captain_Ballbeard


There were some tweaks to the commenting feature today, and as with any changes, glitches happen.

Meg has been working at fixing the glitches, but if you're still have problems with quote button please post a farkback.

There's also a thread in TFD about the changes.
 
2012-08-16 02:22:39 AM
Will the troops be home by Christmas?
 
2012-08-16 02:24:45 AM
Nuke Israel. Problems solved.
 
2012-08-16 02:24:48 AM

Porous Horace: Awaiting the usuals.


I usually get ice cream first.
 
2012-08-16 02:27:28 AM
It's getting hard to tell the trolls apart from the bigots.
 
2012-08-16 02:47:29 AM

Bucky Katt: It's getting hard to tell the trolls apart from the bigots.


The bigots tend to be pro-Apartheid. The white South African Govt couldn't find many friends as it clung to power in the 80s, Israel was happy to be a chum. Birds of a feather flocking or just Israel picking up some tips on race based partition and slow grinding genocide?
 
2012-08-16 03:29:52 AM
Dang. As ugly threads go, this one's a 2x4 in the face. And it wasn't a pretty face to begin with.
 
2012-08-16 03:30:43 AM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Ah, the old "But we've killed less defense", always a classic.

You clearly missed the point of my entire Boobies. To be clear, I'm a recovering catholic/atheist, living in America and of mostly European decent. I live in NY, many friends and gf-s have been/are Jewish, not many muslims that I know of, but I don't really ask either. I really really don't give a fark over all about the mideast EXCEPT it keeps spilling over into my news cycles and economic well being and mental health.

It's just asinine.

Look, if I actually try and conjure some metaphor for what the hell is going on in the ME, it's like if after some farked up war where atheists were nearly exterminated, the world decided to carve out a chunk of Mississippi, displace the native inhabitants, and create a well armed Atheist state. It'd suck I guess, to be surrounded by red neck fundamentalists bent on killing you, and I'd want to defend myself by all means necessary. But if it kept dragging in the rest of the world mostly because there was a lot of oil there, and the ongoing schism was based on religion, I think I'd say 'fark it'. Either go nuclear or piss off.

And seriously, the ME crap is infinitely worse b/c it's based on thousands of years of BS religious infighting. I'm just tired of it, hearing about it, feeling shiatty it is happening as a human, knowing I play a part as an American who simultaneously feeds the death monster that ya'll created with my countryman and sending my tax dollars there to continue it and propping up fossil fuel scumbag corporations.

I know you really REALLY want this to be about the poor trod upon jews and the evil evil muslims, but I just don't care anymore. farking end it in holy Armageddon or STFU and act like decent humans.

/my guess, from your 'but they're worse' line of reasoning is GLASS PARKING LOT FTW



Take your meds bro
 
2012-08-16 03:32:04 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: Bucky Katt: It's getting hard to tell the trolls apart from the bigots.

The bigots tend to be pro-Apartheid. The white South African Govt couldn't find many friends as it clung to power in the 80s, Israel was happy to be a chum. Birds of a feather flocking or just Israel picking up some tips on race based partition and slow grinding genocide?



How can you practice apartheid on people who not only are not citizens of your country, but don't even live inside your borders?

I think you mean America and the British supported the apartheid South African government.
 
2012-08-16 03:47:39 AM

Elegy: I just don't see this (conventional war with Iran) happening, at least not with Israel as the initial aggressor: I think Israel is too aware of its own geographical disadvantage when it comes to conventional war.

Look at the country on the map - it's one long eastern front with the sea at your back. Lots of wide open desert, with nowhere to run or hide. A perforated border with the Palestinians, who will rise up and fight for the other guy at first chance. Not to mention that something like 80-90% of the Israeli population and industrial base is concentrated into only three cities - so there is no hope for sustained conflict on Israel's part, as those cities will be struck early.

Put simply, there is no way for Israel to win that war.



Tell that to Egypt, Jordan, and Syria.

/3 days.
 
2012-08-16 03:52:27 AM

She comes in colors everywhere: Elegy: I just don't see this (conventional war with Iran) happening, at least not with Israel as the initial aggressor: I think Israel is too aware of its own geographical disadvantage when it comes to conventional war.

Look at the country on the map - it's one long eastern front with the sea at your back. Lots of wide open desert, with nowhere to run or hide. A perforated border with the Palestinians, who will rise up and fight for the other guy at first chance. Not to mention that something like 80-90% of the Israeli population and industrial base is concentrated into only three cities - so there is no hope for sustained conflict on Israel's part, as those cities will be struck early.

Put simply, there is no way for Israel to win that war.



Tell that to Egypt, Jordan, and Syria.

/3 days.



and do you know who treats the Palestinians worse than Israel? All the surrounding countries. Iran funds Hezbollah who works in Lebanon. And Lebanon forbids Palestinians from everything including having a job.
 
2012-08-16 03:57:15 AM

Magnanimous_J: My prediction: WWIII kills a billion people.


While this is a terrible farking idea in all ways, it will in no way ignite WWIII.
 
2012-08-16 04:00:15 AM

BojanglesPaladin: WeenerGord: BojanglesPaladin: And THAT is where the phrase 'Centurion's choice' comes from.

LOL!

Sumbiatch! There's a whole BOOK about it!



Have you seen the sequel? 'Fifty Shades of Centurion's Choice'
 
2012-08-16 04:14:22 AM

intelligent comment below: Captain_Ballbeard: Bucky Katt: It's getting hard to tell the trolls apart from the bigots.

The bigots tend to be pro-Apartheid. The white South African Govt couldn't find many friends as it clung to power in the 80s, Israel was happy to be a chum. Birds of a feather flocking or just Israel picking up some tips on race based partition and slow grinding genocide?


How can you practice apartheid on people who not only are not citizens of your country, but don't even live inside your borders?

I think you mean America and the British supported the apartheid South African government.



[By 1987 Israel found itself alone among the developed nations in still maintaining strong, even strategic relations with apartheid South Africa.]
Link

You're either very ignorant or very dishonest.

Take your pick.
 
2012-08-16 04:15:34 AM

intelligent comment below: and do you know who treats the Palestinians worse than Israel? All the surrounding countries. Iran funds Hezbollah who works in Lebanon. And Lebanon forbids Palestinians from everything including having a job.


You know who else said, "Well, nobody else wants them, so let's genocide them." ?
 
2012-08-16 04:19:50 AM
Y'know, I don't doubt Israel's moxy (definitely not their chutzpah), but every time they wax bellicose, I tend to get an image of these guys in my head:

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

I really do wonder how tough they'd act if the big bad US of A weren't there to back them up.
 
2012-08-16 04:20:36 AM

Nem Wan: If you start a war, you're not the good guy.

 
2012-08-16 04:32:20 AM

Indubitably: Quit with the war and stuff, please.



Now tha's horrible.

You wanna end the war an stuff you gotta sing loud.
 
2012-08-16 04:47:07 AM
Knock yourselves out Zionists.

Maybe we will visit Jerusalem, the capital of New Palestine, in a few years.
 
2012-08-16 04:49:59 AM

intelligent comment below: Broad childish generalizations are fun


you'd know.
 
2012-08-16 04:54:06 AM

intelligent comment below: poor America out of it. Let them overthrow regimes and create puppet states and suck the dick of Saudi princes!


It wasn't dick sucking that we know of. Just kissing and hand holding and strolling past flowers.

my2bucks.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-16 05:00:23 AM
For fark's sake. Isreal STFU.
 
2012-08-16 05:01:54 AM

WeenerGord: Indubitably: Quit with the war and stuff, please.


Now tha's horrible.

You wanna end the war an stuff you gotta sing loud.


Too many people on the Group W bench.
 
2012-08-16 05:10:49 AM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: You clearly missed the point of my entire Boobies.



Don't sell yourself short. Your Boobies have some great points.
 
2012-08-16 05:24:00 AM

EbolaNYC: For fark's sake. Isreal STFU.


You really gotta wonder what they see for them to take this route of bellicosity and putting the USA on the spot. Awkward. But they gotta see something, and something big, to be doing this.

The whole formula in that region is crazy. An Assad can't put down some rebels in 18 months? That's an Assad family tradition there. That it's gone on for 18 months is crazy and doesn't bode well for whatever goes on in Syria even after Assad falls.

The Iran bone is connected to the Syria bone and the Syrian bone is connected to the Russian bone - one of Russia's most important ports is in Tartus, Putin ain't letting that go without a bit of trouble.

Egypt's massing troops in the Sinai.

And now Israel is running around trying to light the fuse? In a game of inches?

STFU indeed.
 
2012-08-16 05:39:46 AM

johnryan51: I really wonder how close they are to making the bomb?


Every first world power, think say Japan, is three months away from building a bomb, six if they don't have a running nuclear reactor. Put it this way, it took the US in the 1940's _three years_ to build a bomb from scratch. Personally I suspect that the Iranians don't particularly want to build a bomb, what they want is, a domestic source of enriched Uranium to use for conventional nuclear power, the ability to build a bomb in a couple of months if needed.
 
2012-08-16 06:03:47 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: [By 1987 Israel found itself alone among the developed nations in still maintaining strong, even strategic relations with apartheid South Africa.]
Link

You're either very ignorant or very dishonest.

Take your pick.



How convenient you take one sentence from the section about it cutting off ties
 
2012-08-16 06:04:33 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: You know who else said, "Well, nobody else wants them, so let's genocide them." ?



Israel commits genocide? Link? Palestinians are the fastest growing population group in the world.
 
2012-08-16 06:07:11 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: Egypt's massing troops in the Sinai.



Egypt is fighting Islamic militants in the Palestinian territories who killed over a dozen troops a few days ago. You have no knowledge of anything, either past or present, do you? Why do you still insist on commenting then?
 
2012-08-16 06:08:07 AM

gibbon1: johnryan51: I really wonder how close they are to making the bomb?

Every first world power, think say Japan, is three months away from building a bomb, six if they don't have a running nuclear reactor. Put it this way, it took the US in the 1940's _three years_ to build a bomb from scratch. Personally I suspect that the Iranians don't particularly want to build a bomb, what they want is, a domestic source of enriched Uranium to use for conventional nuclear power, the ability to build a bomb in a couple of months if needed.



Then why are they building plants that can enrich uranium to the level required to weaponize?
 
2012-08-16 06:20:46 AM

Hobodeluxe: mbillips: Shut up, subdumbass; nobody is talking about a Cheney-style invasion. Israel wants to do an air-to-ground war, a la US Air Force vs. Serbia, which involved how many US casualties? That's right, none.

Unlike Serbia, Iran has the capability to strike back. Do you think they will just lie there and take it?


Iran has a limited ability to strike back, which the Israelis can largely neutralize in a couple of days. Hezbollah launched thousands of rockets into Israel, and created relatively few casualties. Iran is much farther away, and has only a few dozen launch platforms (if that many) capable of hitting Israel, and no precision-guided missiles that can be aimed specifically at population targets.

Serbia had an air force, but they didn't dare try to put anything up, because it would just get shot down. Iran's in the same boat vis a vis Israel.

I'm not saying Israel SHOULD attack Iran; I think that's a terrible idea. But 500 Israeli casualties sounds about right, considering what Iran has available for retaliation.
 
2012-08-16 06:21:51 AM

RanDomino:
I know you won't watch this, or you don't care, or it's not really a problem, or some other bullshiat excuse; but, for the rest of you who have some shred of basic decency, here's an illustration of what life is like for thousands of Palestinians, and for hundreds of thousands more lesser only in immediacy. 


This again?

A terrible case of harrassment, and it ssems that the govt here did nothing to stop it, very farked up. But there are a couple of problems with your claim.

1- You have no proof life is like this for thousands of Palestenians.
2- You have no proof it is like this for hundreds of thousands more lesser only in immediacy.
3- You are so farked up you label this state-sponsored terrorism, and brush off all the suicide bombings, gunmen, etc from arabs in the area as "petty terrorism".

So yes it is wrong, it should be stopped, but you can't back up your claim on how widespread it is (and given HDI rates in Palestine it is doubtful), and your concern about how serious can't be taken with a straight face when you think it is less sever then suicide bombings, gunmen, etc.
 
2012-08-16 06:27:18 AM

randomjsa: cameroncrazy1984: This demonstrates a level of ignorance heretofore unknown to science.

Okay, since you're that stupid. I'll educate you.

Israel has an air force that, short of interference from the United States or one of the European countries, is going to decimate anything Iran puts in the sky in roughly five minutes. Complete and total air superiority will then systematically destroy every piece of war infrastructure that Iran has. At the end of 30 days Iran would be so crippled that it's ability to do anything more than stubbornly resist as best it can would be all it has left. Assuming it comes to a ground war, Israel has better... well... everything, but particularly tanks and some of the best tank crews in the world. A fight between Israel and Iran could only be more one sided if it as the United States instead of Israel fighting.

Oh and unlike the United States, Israel is probably not going to be nearly as friendly about its warfare. So keep that in mind.


Ground war. ::bangs head on desk:: Israel and Iran do not share a border. Neither has significant amphibious capability. Ground war is geographically and technologically off the table.
 
2012-08-16 07:25:18 AM

shkkmo: Thats really the thing I don't get about the whole "Invade Iran" thing: how can it possibly end in a good way?


A nuclear exchange that destroyed both Iran and Israel (or maybe a wider swath of the middle east in general) would save the rest of the world a lot of headaches - so thats a good ending.
 
2012-08-16 08:00:22 AM

mbillips: randomjsa: cameroncrazy1984: This demonstrates a level of ignorance heretofore unknown to science.

Okay, since you're that stupid. I'll educate you.

Israel has an air force that, short of interference from the United States or one of the European countries, is going to decimate anything Iran puts in the sky in roughly five minutes. Complete and total air superiority will then systematically destroy every piece of war infrastructure that Iran has. At the end of 30 days Iran would be so crippled that it's ability to do anything more than stubbornly resist as best it can would be all it has left. Assuming it comes to a ground war, Israel has better... well... everything, but particularly tanks and some of the best tank crews in the world. A fight between Israel and Iran could only be more one sided if it as the United States instead of Israel fighting.

Oh and unlike the United States, Israel is probably not going to be nearly as friendly about its warfare. So keep that in mind.

Ground war. ::bangs head on desk:: Israel and Iran do not share a border. Neither has significant amphibious capability. Ground war is geographically and technologically off the table.


LOL Yah, that was amusing.
 
2012-08-16 08:02:00 AM
Liberals hate Israel.

Gee, this is news on Fark.

You guys want Iran to get nukes and use them on Israel, because they are Jews and you don't like them. That is all this is.
 
2012-08-16 08:52:28 AM
Go to it, farkwads, see how that works out for you.

You guys want Iran to get nukes and use them on Israel, because they are Jews and you don't like them. That is all this is.

You belong in a mental institution.
 
2012-08-16 09:28:02 AM
Here's how this would go. The Israelis would utterly kick Iran's weakened by sanctions and decades of mismanagement ass. And THEN every Muslim country in the world would steamroll the Zionists into the sea. We'd say "Sorry, but we have our war over here, the one against people who actually attacked us so... good luck. This would cause instability in the US government leading to a dissolution of the democratic party. the rise of the fascist police state would come up, sending our stormtroopers into the middle east, bankrupting the country. Then the good part happens and people rise up against the neocons once and for all and re-establish a secular united states devoid of a conservative movement.

Oh, and millions of people die, maybe even a couple billion, and a major religion.

But at least we get rid of Fox News! So that's good, right?
 
2012-08-16 10:33:19 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: [www.bendib.com image 600x429]


Simps... I mean Nazis did it :

4.bp.blogspot.com

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-16 10:35:41 AM

Jake Havechek: Go to it, farkwads, see how that works out for you.

You guys want Iran to get nukes and use them on Israel, because they are Jews and you don't like them. That is all this is.

You belong in a mental institution.


Yet I am right, and you know it.
 
2012-08-16 01:29:26 PM
*still dry heaving from all the popcorn*
 
2012-08-16 02:37:16 PM

Thunderpipes: Jake Havechek: Go to it, farkwads, see how that works out for you.

You guys want Iran to get nukes and use them on Israel, because they are Jews and you don't like them. That is all this is.

You belong in a mental institution.

Yet I am right, and you know it.


Man, you really have your finger on the pulse of the liberal nation. I mean, with that deep insight that "all liberals want Iran to nuke Israel", I'm sure people line up around the block to have political discussions with you. So astute, so knowledgeable, and yet never a hit of hubris or hyperbole.

Truly you are a gentleman and a scholar
 
2012-08-16 03:23:56 PM
The regime once again declared on Wednesday that Israel will soon disappear from the map. At a meeting of the Iran-Iraq veterans, during Al-Quds day which is the official day of the year where the Iranian Government cheers for the destruction of Israel and having Muslims take over the land.

See, some people have labor day, some people have shark weeks, others have 'death to Israel' fridays.


Its quite puzzling that Israel might want to take steps to deter a country that continually supports terrorism against her and routinely announces its commitment to its destruction from getting nuclear weapons.
 
2012-08-16 03:45:48 PM

Tatsuma: The regime once again declared on Wednesday that Israel will soon disappear from the map. At a meeting of the Iran-Iraq veterans, during Al-Quds day which is the official day of the year where the Iranian Government cheers for the destruction of Israel and having Muslims take over the land.

See, some people have labor day, some people have shark weeks, others have 'death to Israel' fridays.


Its quite puzzling that Israel might want to take steps to deter a country that continually supports terrorism against her and routinely announces its commitment to its destruction from getting nuclear weapons.


Well, Tats, if you're cool with starting WWIII, then you and Israel can go right ahead, but fark you all if you want our help. I damn sure won't be over there fighting for you. Israel has been upping the ante in the inflammatory rhetoric, playing right into what Iran wants: an external enemy of another religion, backed by the "Great Satan." So congrats, Israel has fallen for a poorly veiled Iranian attempt to gin up support for a war to distract from crippling problems at home.
 
2012-08-16 04:34:10 PM

intelligent comment below: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Ah, the old "But we've killed less defense", always a classic.

You clearly missed the point of my entire Boobies. To be clear, I'm a recovering catholic/atheist, living in America and of mostly European decent. I live in NY, many friends and gf-s have been/are Jewish, not many muslims that I know of, but I don't really ask either. I really really don't give a fark over all about the mideast EXCEPT it keeps spilling over into my news cycles and economic well being and mental health.

It's just asinine.

Look, if I actually try and conjure some metaphor for what the hell is going on in the ME, it's like if after some farked up war where atheists were nearly exterminated, the world decided to carve out a chunk of Mississippi, displace the native inhabitants, and create a well armed Atheist state. It'd suck I guess, to be surrounded by red neck fundamentalists bent on killing you, and I'd want to defend myself by all means necessary. But if it kept dragging in the rest of the world mostly because there was a lot of oil there, and the ongoing schism was based on religion, I think I'd say 'fark it'. Either go nuclear or piss off.

And seriously, the ME crap is infinitely worse b/c it's based on thousands of years of BS religious infighting. I'm just tired of it, hearing about it, feeling shiatty it is happening as a human, knowing I play a part as an American who simultaneously feeds the death monster that ya'll created with my countryman and sending my tax dollars there to continue it and propping up fossil fuel scumbag corporations.

I know you really REALLY want this to be about the poor trod upon jews and the evil evil muslims, but I just don't care anymore. farking end it in holy Armageddon or STFU and act like decent humans.

/my guess, from your 'but they're worse' line of reasoning is GLASS PARKING LOT FTW


Take your meds bro


No , YOU take my meds. Bro.
 
2012-08-16 06:38:07 PM

Tatsuma: The regime once again declared on Wednesday that Israel will soon disappear from the map.


How many times has this been said over the past 45 years?

I'll wait.
 
2012-08-16 07:03:33 PM
thunderbird8804
9/11 had not a thing to do with Kissinger, or any previous administrations policies, it happened because Bin Laden and his goons are fanatically faithful, and thoroughly nihilistic.

They say they did it because of the US's support for Israel, stationing of troops in Saudi Arabia, and naval bombardment of Beirut = ignore what they say.

They say they want to kill all the Jews = everything they say is to be taken at face value.


Captain_Ballbeard
The bigots tend to be pro-Apartheid. The white South African Govt couldn't find many friends as it clung to power in the 80s, Israel was happy to be a chum. Birds of a feather flocking or just Israel picking up some tips on race based partition and slow grinding genocide?

South Africa's apartheid regime didn't fall until it became clear that it was on the losing end of wars and insurgencies, and Israel's won't either.


intelligent comment below
and do you know who treats the Palestinians worse than Israel? All the surrounding countries. Iran funds Hezbollah who works in Lebanon. And Lebanon forbids Palestinians from everything including having a job.

So how about Israel fulfills its obligations to international law and basic human decency and solves that problem by allowing Right of Return?

Israel commits genocide? Link? Palestinians are the fastest growing population group in the world.

You are really bad at this.


liam76
1- You have no proof life is like this for thousands of Palestenians.
2- You have no proof it is like this for hundreds of thousands more lesser only in immediacy.


Right-o, I'll try to find a video biography of every single Palestinian.

3- You are so farked up you label this state-sponsored terrorism, and brush off all the suicide bombings, gunmen, etc from arabs in the area as "petty terrorism".

This is being abetted by the Israeli army and the Israeli state by extension. None of those other things are (unless you admit Palestine is a State?).

So yes it is wrong, it should be stopped, but you can't back up your claim on how widespread it is (and given HDI rates in Palestine it is doubtful), and your concern about how serious can't be taken with a straight face when you think it is less sever then suicide bombings, gunmen, etc.

Daily humiliations versus occasional headline-grabbing events.
 
2012-08-16 07:41:08 PM

Thunderpipes: Liberals hate Israel.

Gee, this is news on Fark.

You guys want Iran to get nukes and use them on Israel, because they are Jews and you don't like them. That is all this is.



Liberal Jews are all over the world. You're an idiot
 
2012-08-16 07:43:05 PM

RanDomino: So how about Israel fulfills its obligations to international law and basic human decency and solves that problem by allowing Right of Return?

You are really bad at this.



Why doesn't America allow the right of return to all the Mexicans displaced from their homeland?
 
2012-08-16 08:18:39 PM
intelligent comment below
Why doesn't America allow the right of return to all the Mexicans displaced from their homeland?

That would also be good. America should square things up with the Indians and Mexicans. Israel should allow right of return for the same reasons.
 
2012-08-16 09:40:49 PM
Yeah!!!!

Tats is not dead!!!

This thread still sucks.

/needs more Roman necrophilia.
 
2012-08-16 10:01:21 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Yeah!!!!

Tats is not dead!!!

This thread still sucks.

/needs more Roman necrophilia.



If he were dead it might help with the necrophilia you desire.
 
2012-08-16 10:02:38 PM

RanDomino: That would also be good. America should square things up with the Indians and Mexicans. Israel should allow right of return for the same reasons.



Sounds good. You guys go ahead

Israel already accepted the right of return, there are over a million Arab's with Israeli citizenship. Oops look like they're far ahead of you.

Israel also accepted a 2 state solution when the UN accepted their statehood bid in 1947. Guess who didn't like that and declared war?
 
2012-08-17 01:29:24 AM
intelligent comment below
Israel already accepted the right of return

lulz
 
2012-08-17 01:30:32 AM
Israel also accepted a 2 state solution when the UN accepted their statehood bid in 1947. Guess who didn't like that and declared war?

Every single Palestinian alive today, apparently
 
2012-08-17 03:09:47 AM

intelligent comment below: RanDomino: That would also be good. America should square things up with the Indians and Mexicans. Israel should allow right of return for the same reasons.

Sounds good. You guys go ahead

Israel already accepted the right of return, there are over a million Arab's with Israeli citizenship. Oops look like they're far ahead of you.



Shiat there are way more than one million illegal mexicans in America and BoBama just instituted the Dream act to let them get citizenship but why am i wasting my time on a troll, that is the question
 
2012-08-17 09:23:11 AM

RanDomino: liam76
1- You have no proof life is like this for thousands of Palestenians.
2- You have no proof it is like this for hundreds of thousands more lesser only in immediacy.

Right-o, I'll try to find a video biography of every single Palestinian.


Didn't ask you to do that, what I do ask you to do is not pretend that every single family is just like this one with no evidence, and to stop igonrig actual studies on the quality of life for Palestinians.


RanDomino: 3- You are so farked up you label this state-sponsored terrorism, and brush off all the suicide bombings, gunmen, etc from arabs in the area as "petty terrorism".

This is being abetted by the Israeli army and the Israeli state by extension. None of those other things are (unless you admit Palestine is a State?).


The problem is you call it petty when people blow up jews, shoot at jews etc, but it is the end of the world when soldiers harass Palestenians. You have a very farked up double standard.


RanDomino: Daily humiliations versus occasional headline-grabbing events


You have no proof for the daily humiliations.

A checkpoint doesn't equal humiliation and the fact is there are a lot less of suicide bombings, gunmen attacking jews, etc (that you so casually dismiss as petty terrorism or "headline grabbing events").
 
2012-08-17 11:45:54 AM

liam76: RanDomino: liam76
1- You have no proof life is like this for thousands of Palestenians.
2- You have no proof it is like this for hundreds of thousands more lesser only in immediacy.

Right-o, I'll try to find a video biography of every single Palestinian.

Didn't ask you to do that, what I do ask you to do is not pretend that every single family is just like this one with no evidence, and to stop igonrig actual studies on the quality of life for Palestinians.


RanDomino: 3- You are so farked up you label this state-sponsored terrorism, and brush off all the suicide bombings, gunmen, etc from arabs in the area as "petty terrorism".

This is being abetted by the Israeli army and the Israeli state by extension. None of those other things are (unless you admit Palestine is a State?).

The problem is you call it petty when people blow up jews, shoot at jews etc, but it is the end of the world when soldiers harass Palestenians. You have a very farked up double standard.


RanDomino: Daily humiliations versus occasional headline-grabbing events

You have no proof for the daily humiliations.

A checkpoint doesn't equal humiliation and the fact is there are a lot less of suicide bombings, gunmen attacking jews, etc (that you so casually dismiss as petty terrorism or "headline grabbing events").


I wonder if you would label the actions of the IRA (who killed less than Palestinian terrorists, and didn't make as much of an effort to target civilians) as "petty terrorism"?
 
2012-08-17 12:04:45 PM
And so it goes...And so it goes...
 
2012-08-17 01:03:22 PM

mbillips: Ground war. ::bangs head on desk:: Israel and Iran do not share a border. Neither has significant amphibious capability. Ground war is geographically and technologically off the table.


Let me go back and check my post... there might have been a tiny little key word in there somewhere... what was it now... hrm...

Assuming it comes to a ground war,

Oh there it is! I'm sorry if that wasn't clear enough for you and the other person who was agreeing with you.
 
2012-08-17 03:42:42 PM

RanDomino: intelligent comment below
Israel already accepted the right of return

lulz



Read the 1947 UN resolution for yourself

RanDomino: Israel also accepted a 2 state solution when the UN accepted their statehood bid in 1947. Guess who didn't like that and declared war?

Every single Palestinian alive today, apparently



Any reason you had to reply twice?

Like a "Palestinian" born in Egypt called Arafat?

Anyone not living in Israel proper has a right to live in any other country they want.

WeenerGord: Shiat there are way more than one million illegal mexicans in America and BoBama just instituted the Dream act to let them get citizenship but why am i wasting my time on a troll, that is the question



On a troll? You've been the troll here through out the entire topic.

How is it possible that there are card carrying Israeli citizens who are Arabs? I thought the Jews killed or kicked them all off the land?

Sounds like your hate filled narrative of Jews committing genocide is just plain old bullshiat
 
2012-08-18 12:43:46 AM
liam76
The problem is you call it petty when people blow up jews, shoot at jews etc, but it is the end of the world when soldiers harass Palestenians. You have a very farked up double standard.

A big shock that everyone wails and beats their chest over and then its done vs constant fear and humiliation

A checkpoint doesn't equal humiliation

Waiting for hours and having no idea if you'll be rejected for no good reason. Not being sure if that ambulance is coming. Being late for work and losing your job because the guards decided to search everyone more thoroughly today. Simply being subjected to suspicion because of where you live.
 
2012-08-18 12:48:32 AM
intelligent comment below
Read the 1947 UN resolution for yourself

oh, okay, so all of a sudden Israel cares about what UN resolutions say.

Like a "Palestinian" born in Egypt called Arafat?

His parents were Palestinian. He went to al-Quds when he was four.
 
2012-08-18 06:27:14 AM

RanDomino: liam76
The problem is you call it petty when people blow up jews, shoot at jews etc, but it is the end of the world when soldiers harass Palestenians. You have a very farked up double standard.

A big shock that everyone wails and beats their chest over and then its done vs constant fear and humiliation

A checkpoint doesn't equal humiliation

Waiting for hours and having no idea if you'll be rejected for no good reason. Not being sure if that ambulance is coming. Being late for work and losing your job because the guards decided to search everyone more thoroughly today. Simply being subjected to suspicion because of where you live.


I see you skipped the Ira being petty terrorists. Not surprised you won't elaborate on your double standards.

Funny that you would pick ambulances to complain about when it is Palestinians who used them to sneak suicide bombers forcing Israel to have to search them. It is a good example of the reasons for the check points. I am sure you will keep insisting it is petty terrorism because they are only killing Jews or some other BS reason but no country on earth is going to take consistent attacks like that and not increase security.
 
2012-08-18 11:21:45 AM
liam76
I am sure you will keep insisting it is petty terrorism because they are only killing Jews or some other BS reason

Why don't you address the reason I actually stated?
 
2012-08-18 11:46:01 AM
i201.photobucket.com

^ Not a sheep, but sheepish ^


liam76

^ Not a Jew, but... ^ 
 
2012-08-18 11:46:09 AM
Tatsuma
The regime once again declared on Wednesday that Israel will soon disappear from the map.

About that.
 
2012-08-18 04:41:16 PM

RanDomino: liam76
I am sure you will keep insisting it is petty terrorism because they are only killing Jews or some other BS reason

Why don't you address the reason I actually stated?


You said occasional headline grabbing event, hence petty, or did I misunderstand?

The problem is that their attacks are more regular and killed more than the Ira. If you can explain why killing Jews more frequently is petty but killing Christians isn't I would love to hear it. But until you can explain your double standard, you should recognize you words make you an antisemite or full of shiat.
 
2012-08-18 04:45:16 PM

Amos Quito: ^ Not a sheep, but sheepish ^


liam76

^ Not a Jew, but... ^ 


If you point out that blaming Jews for the Holocaust makes you a nazi you must be Jewish!

Fark's favorite nazi, Amos!
 
2012-08-18 07:00:12 PM

liam76: Amos Quito: ^ Not a sheep, but sheepish ^


liam76

^ Not a Jew, but... ^ 

If you point out that blaming Jews for the Holocaust makes you a nazi you must be Jewish!

Fark's favorite nazi, Amos!



First, I never blamed "Jews" for the Holocaust.

Second
if someone DID blame "Jews" for the Holocaust, that would not make them a "nazi" (Unless you define "nazi" as "anyone who says things that Jews don't like).

Third, I didn't say that you were a Jew any more than I said that the cat (pictured above) was a sheep.


/baaa-a-a!
 
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