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2012-08-15 07:22:27 PM
Captain_Ballbeard

Izzy's been beating the war drums HARD (again) since ROMNEY! went on his ass-kissing mission to the Zionist State.

Noticed the price of fuel since then?

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

But it's worth every dollar it costs you if it will make Bibi less nervous.

AMIRITE?

This is more about influencing American politics (read DUMP OBAMA) than it is about anything Iran is doing.

Barry needs to grow some balls and throw down sanctions on Israel NOW.

Good times.

Obama needs a couple of months before he can grow any balls. The last time a President started pushing Israel to quit acting like a genocidal monster Lucianne Goldberg unleashed the Lewinsky "scandal". Clinton shut up about Israel.

And I think the Amirites were annihilated on God's orders in the Old Testament, so I don't see how they figure in.



Indeed.

And there was this ONE president that was DETERMINED that Israel would NOT get nuclear weapons.

He demanded that the Israelis open Dimona - their nuclear facility - for inspections.

njtoday.net

Unfortunately, he had an accident.

But that's okay, because the guy who replaced him was VERY pro-Zionist.


/Sure glad that Israel is our ally
 
2012-08-15 07:24:02 PM

Porous Horace: I'm sure by then CAIR will have convinced the US to attack Israel.


/yawn

Wake me up when the muslim version of Judith Miller uses the nation's "paper of record" to publish front page propaganda that leads to the death of thousands of American service men and women.
 
2012-08-15 07:25:18 PM
intelligent comment below, shouldn't you be in the Homeland, volunteering as a human shield against the retaliation rockets or something?

Get 'em, tiger!
 
2012-08-15 07:25:38 PM
Actually, when the Israelis make a promise for violence, they keep it. They don't get too hung up on rules of engagement and human rights.

/seriously, don't fark with them
//imagine a corps of America's best Marines who have one order:
///Win
 
2012-08-15 07:26:18 PM
WizardsofToast
Yeah. A month. With minimal losses. And all of the Iranian citizens will gladly take this invasion and overthrow, the neighboring countries will be pretty chill with the whole thing happening and and a pig will fly right over the fireworks of the day of victory. No short-term or long-term effects, nosirree.

No way they plan on invading and overthrowing, just a bombing campaign to remove their capability to develop nukes.

After about 30 days Iran would probably be out of shiat to lob at them.

Syria can't really spare troops to help out Iran now.

Saudi (as we learned form Wiki leaks) wouldn't be too hurt in private if Iran was taken down a peg or two.

Lebanon (or at least Hezbollah) may try something, but I see that ending in the 30 days.

Egypt would still probably stay out of it (if the military is in charge).

So short term it sounds about right. Of course it overlooks what this will do to Israeli/Muslim and even more importantly Israeli/International relations for the next 30 or so years. Can't see that coming out a win.
 
2012-08-15 07:28:30 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Porous Horace: I'm sure by then CAIR will have convinced the US to attack Israel.

/yawn

Wake me up when the muslim version of Judith Miller uses the nation's "paper of record" to publish front page propaganda that leads to the death of thousands of American service men and women.


Obama?
 
2012-08-15 07:28:33 PM
And free gas for a year
 
2012-08-15 07:29:36 PM
Maybe if the 500 who die are those who came up with the stupid policy in the first place, it would work out. Alas they have cannonfodder to die for them.
 
2012-08-15 07:31:18 PM
Raoul Eaton: The Iranians will greet them with flowers, and it will all be over in time for Christmas.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-15 07:31:24 PM
And there was this ONE president that was DETERMINED that Israel would NOT get nuclear weapons.

I didn't know Hitler was ever president... I thought he just chummed up with our economic overlords, not our political ones.
 
2012-08-15 07:32:14 PM
I really wonder how close they are to making the bomb? I hope that sanctions work. Nobody needs this, there will be no winner.
 
2012-08-15 07:32:36 PM

Amos Quito: Captain_Ballbeard


Stormfront brain trust banter


So the Jews were behind the Lewinsky scandal, and assassinating JFK?

Would Obama getting re-elected cause yo to re-evaluate your nonsense or are you in too derp to realize that the jewish conspiracy isn't what you imagine it to be in your meetings?
 
2012-08-15 07:33:45 PM
If you think this statements are anyway anti-israel or anti-semitic in any way, this means that you are racist against muslims and particularly muslim persians:

"Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world" - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

"[Muslim leaders who accept the existence of Israel are] acknowledging a surrender and defeat of the Islamic world." - Mahmoud "Men's Warehouse's best customer for bad suits" Ahmadinejad

If you think these statements in anyway justify Israel's aggressive stance towards Iran, it simply means that you are a despicable human being who needs to have 100% of his wealth and income taxed to pay for Fark Libs to not get real jobs. 

One of the world's largest holders of oil and natural gas reserves simply wants nuclear energy. Funny how libs suddenly have no problem with nuclear energy when their third world allies need it.
 
2012-08-15 07:36:03 PM
Stop fighting about the Jewish lobbyists. The Jews are afraid and they have every right. Those mullahs are insane.
 
2012-08-15 07:37:38 PM
"It will last a month and only kill 500 Israelis"

That's it? These guys need to try harder. Hitler was able to get 'em killed off at over 8000 a month.
 
2012-08-15 07:38:55 PM
Stop fighting about the Jewish lobbyists. The Jews are afraid and they have every right. Those mullahs are insane.

Besides, they only have our best interests at heart.
 
2012-08-15 07:39:44 PM

johnryan51: Stop fighting about the Jewish lobbyists. The Jews are afraid and they have every right. Those mullahs are insane.


Yeah, those crazy mullahs, agitating to draw the entire Middle East into a hopeless land war for purely political pu- hm.
 
2012-08-15 07:41:00 PM
I don't really understand what the fuss is about... its not like Israel plans to occupy Iran... they just plan to blow up all their important shiat and go home. Judging by Israels past engagements, it all seems.. very much on the level.
 
2012-08-15 07:43:54 PM
Who The Fark is Paying for Our Military Services.

I wish my family could eat at a 5 star restaurant in NYC and then get paid for it.
 
2012-08-15 07:44:11 PM

liam76: So the Jews were behind the Lewinsky scandal,


The next day, Netanyahu met with Clinton at the White House. "Bibi told me later," Falwell recalls, "that the next morning Bill Clinton said, 'I know where you were last night.' The pressure was really on Netanyahu to give away the farm in Israel. It was during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.... Clinton had to save himself, so he terminated the demands [to relinquish West Bank territory] that would have been forthcoming during that meeting, and would have been very bad for Israel."
Link


Save himself from what, exactly?

Lewinsky, Goldberg, Issikoff. Just a coincidence, I am sure, that these were the producers of this "scandal". Just as it is probably just coincidence that Clinton had to "save himself" from it by allowing Israel free-reign in using the Torah as a real-estate deed.
 
2012-08-15 07:46:21 PM
proteus_b And in any event, I was in south Tel Aviv yesterday and you wouldn't know that the Sudanese have all been deported from the looks of it...

Did you witness any rapes, robberies, or other attacks?
 
2012-08-15 07:46:32 PM
The Return of the Neo-Cons...

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2012-08-15 07:49:09 PM

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito's twin brother. You even use the phrase only he uses, Izzy, as well.



Would you prefer "Wasrael"?


/I know I would
 
2012-08-15 07:50:42 PM

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito's twin brother. You even use the phrase only he uses, Izzy, as well.


Still looking for where I ever said that they deserved it. I get why OJ killed Nicole, doesn't mean she deserved it.

And now you're doubling down on your lies by saying I use the term "Izzy"? Never typed that word in my life, until just now.

The facts speak for themselves on Israel and Zionists, which is why all you people can muster in response is to shriek "Anti-semite!"
 
2012-08-15 07:52:48 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Still looking for where I ever said that they deserved it. I get why OJ killed Nicole, doesn't mean she deserved it.

And now you're doubling down on your lies by saying I use the term "Izzy"? Never typed that word in my life, until just now.

The facts speak for themselves on Israel and Zionists, which is why all you people can muster in response is to shriek "Anti-semite!"



Are you blind? You might want to read this page again. Specifically at the 7:41 time stamp
 
2012-08-15 07:53:41 PM

WeenerGord: proteus_b And in any event, I was in south Tel Aviv yesterday and you wouldn't know that the Sudanese have all been deported from the looks of it...

Did you witness any rapes, robberies, or other attacks?


LMAO
 
2012-08-15 07:55:13 PM

intelligent comment below: Captain_Ballbeard: Still looking for where I ever said that they deserved it. I get why OJ killed Nicole, doesn't mean she deserved it.

And now you're doubling down on your lies by saying I use the term "Izzy"? Never typed that word in my life, until just now.

The facts speak for themselves on Israel and Zionists, which is why all you people can muster in response is to shriek "Anti-semite!"


Are you blind? You might want to read this page again. Specifically at the 7:41 time stamp


I don't see the word "Izzy". I must be blind.
 
2012-08-15 07:55:35 PM

Amos Quito: Captain_Ballbeard

Izzy's been beating the war drums HARD (again) since ROMNEY! went on his ass-kissing mission to the Zionist State.

Noticed the price of fuel since then?

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

But it's worth every dollar it costs you if it will make Bibi less nervous.

AMIRITE?

This is more about influencing American politics (read DUMP OBAMA) than it is about anything Iran is doing.

Barry needs to grow some balls and throw down sanctions on Israel NOW.

Good times.

Obama needs a couple of months before he can grow any balls. The last time a President started pushing Israel to quit acting like a genocidal monster Lucianne Goldberg unleashed the Lewinsky "scandal". Clinton shut up about Israel.

And I think the Amirites were annihilated on God's orders in the Old Testament, so I don't see how they figure in.


Indeed.

And there was this ONE president that was DETERMINED that Israel would NOT get nuclear weapons.

He demanded that the Israelis open Dimona - their nuclear facility - for inspections.

[njtoday.net image 400x320]

Unfortunately, he had an accident.

But that's okay, because the guy who replaced him was VERY pro-Zionist.


/Sure glad that Israel is our ally


Dude, everyone knows that was a hit by the Chicago Mob for having his brother go after them. Get your conspiracy theories straight.
 
2012-08-15 07:55:59 PM

Gyrfalcon: Captain_Ballbeard: liam76: intelligent comment below: Projection! You mean what ever gets you through the day, getting through yesterday required you to blame Jews for the Holocaust and say they had it coming, like Amos Quito has done in the past

Come on, we know he won't come out and say that. He just posts propaganda to that effect and presents argument that require that conclusion, but he won't come out and say it (or deny it).

WHEN in the name of King Fark did I ever say that?

Surely, it only being yesterday, you can find a quote.

We were talking about the Poles willingly hosting the concentration camps, IIRC, and why the POLES felt that the Jews had it coming.

That doesn't exactly equal saying "MY BELIEF is the Jews had it coming," but you can see where mistakes might be made.



The first 50 years of the 20th Century is an interesting study once you get beyond the sanitized soundbites of "Nazis bad, Allies good, Jews innocent victims".

There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of, and the mere mention of these things is certain to bring out troops of poo-flinging monkeys.

But that doesn't change the facts.

There are many lessons to be learned from the era - but these lessons will be valueless until we stop focusing only on a sanitized view of WHAT happened, and start trying to understand WHY it happened.

TABOO.
 
2012-08-15 07:56:25 PM
What I say is irrelevant, the world is waking up to what Zionism means. The American people are becoming more aware of it, can you feel it?
 
2012-08-15 07:57:59 PM

Amos Quito: There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of



Jews were in positions of political power? Name the countries
 
2012-08-15 07:58:59 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Don't forget Russia.
We can kick of Revelations if we do this right, and hopefully all those preachy Christians and the rest of God's People will get Raptured away and leave the rest of us in peace.


Maybe once the missiles launch we tell them the Rapture has started and they can all get a head start on their way to meet baby jeebus by hanging themselves. Only after will we report it was actually an accident in some guys backyard where his grill blew up shooting off flaming steaks into the sky
 
2012-08-15 07:59:19 PM

Magnanimous_J: My prediction: WWIII kills a billion people.


You're a conservative.
 
2012-08-15 07:59:33 PM
Saudi Arabia tells citizens to leave Lebanon immediately- Reuters


shkkmo
Assume that isreal does manage to decimate Iran's army to such an extent that Iran can't wage 'proper' war after 30 days

I could see the mission being a success in destroying the nuclear power plants and research facilities and killing key personnel, but I'm not sure how a quick strike is going to kill even a fraction of Iran's army.

If there's a naval battle involving the US, the Iranian fleet will probably be nonexist within days if not hours, but I don't think anyone thought it mattered anyway. Iran's air force is probably in the same spot.

Still, just the threat of Iranian ballistic missiles, mines, and/or torpedo boats sinking a few oil tankers is probably going to cause the price of oil to jump to $"You can't afford it, even if you can find someone selling it". Just in time for winter. Oh and so much for the economic recovery.

Thats really the thing I don't get about the whole "Invade Iran" thing: how can it possibly end in a good way?

Remember that the people in charge of Israel are basically nazis.


Rich Cream
So Israel is willing to spread highly radioactive (they say so) material across southern and western Asia and kill a multitude of Jewish Iranians with bombs, and for what? To avoid the death of Jews and the spread of nuclear radioactivity?

Iran is the last country in the region that hasn't been bought off, invaded, subverted, or otherwise broken. In 1947-67, practically all of them were united against Israel. Saudi Arabia and Turkey are tied to the US, Egypt cut a deal, Syria's in a civil war, Jordan is Israel's Mexico, Iraq is Iraq... If they can throw Iran into turmoil, who will ever seriously challenge Israel? Divide and conquer.


Boudica's War Tampon
Iran used those weapons in a war against Iraq.

[[citation needed]]


liam76
Saudi (as we learned form Wiki leaks) wouldn't be too hurt in private if Iran was taken down a peg or two.

There's always a non-zero chance of an anti-Saud uprising. I mean, they've got to run out of mercenaries eventually, right?
 
2012-08-15 08:00:30 PM
shiat or get off the pot Israel
 
2012-08-15 08:01:48 PM

johnryan51: Stop fighting about the Jewish lobbyists. The Jews are afraid and they have every right. Those mullahs are insane.


because they might do what Israel is threatening to do?
Israel promotes terrorism by proxy,assassinations,spies on it's friends and enemies alike and oppresses it's own people. it also makes regular threats against Iran.
they aren't innocent bystanders in all this.

Israel has looked too long into the abyss
 
2012-08-15 08:01:58 PM
Dear Israel: While we appreciate your interest in continuing the Middle East's long-standing tradition of blowing the shiat out of eachother we regret to inform you that...

Wait, no. Forget that. Seriously, the fark, Israel? Are you people that farking stupid?

Stop being the aggressor here in the eyes of the world. All you people are doing is giving the Persian and Arabic countries which DO hate your guts ammunition to use against you in the world's eye.
 
2012-08-15 08:02:05 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I feel like Obama won't have a hard time saying "No you guys go, we're good"

Romney, on the other hand, won't be able to jump onboard fast enough.


Which is why Israel will attack in October or November. Wait and see.
 
2012-08-15 08:03:35 PM

Hobodeluxe: because they might do what Israel is threatening to do?
Israel promotes terrorism by proxy,assassinations,spies on it's friends and enemies alike and oppresses it's own people. it also makes regular threats against Iran.
they aren't innocent bystanders in all this.

Israel has looked too long into the abyss



So then 9/11 was justified based on the history of America dealing with the rest of the world? Do you really want to go down this slippery slope?
 
2012-08-15 08:05:45 PM
How much popcorn has been consumed in here, so far?
 
2012-08-15 08:06:21 PM

intelligent comment below: I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING!

OOPS I DID BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT!

WAKE UP TO THE JEWS! LISTEN TO THE WORDS I SAID THAT ARE IRRELEVANT

Sounds legit



And when all else fails, put words in somebody else's mouth.

Jew does not mean Zionist. Zionist does not mean arch-Zionist, which is bent on the extermination of a people and land theft.
 
2012-08-15 08:06:31 PM

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito: There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of


Jews were in positions of political power? Name the countries



You want the names of the countries, or the names of their central bankers?
 
2012-08-15 08:07:29 PM
radioislam.org
 
2012-08-15 08:07:31 PM

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito: There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of


Jews were in positions of political power? Name the countries


Now, that's not what he said and you know it. There were a lot of very deeply-rooted reasons why Jews were so hated in Eastern Europe, thousands of years of lies and deceit. People believed the "Protocols" were genuine, that Jews ran the world, and that Jews were responsible for their troubles. There was a lot of behind-the-scenes politicking, some of which led to things like the quotas for Jewish immigrants actually being reduced by the US, among other things. And there WERE Jews in positions of power in the Weimar Republic, at least until Hitler got the Nuremburg Laws passed.

A good takeaway point here is that by reducing it to JEWS: GOOD VICTIMS! NAZIS: EVIL MURDERERS! we lose the nuances of why everyone ELSE was so anxious to exterminate the Jews, and why the Jews had good reasons besides fear for not rising against their oppressors until almost the last minute. And it allows Israel to continue to make extremely wrong-headed choices and thwart any possibility for peace in the Middle East because they can always count on supporters to trot out the anti-Semite card for anyone who disagrees with them.

Look how fast the Captain got you off-track about whether war between Israel and Iran might be a bad thing, because you had to jump into proving him to be a bigoted Jew-hater. It's an argument you can't win, at least between you and him, so why make it? Why the need to proclaim anyone who criticizes Jews must be an evil anti-Semite? It makes reasonable discussion about the ISSUES impossible when we have to argue PERSONALITIES instead.
 
2012-08-15 08:08:05 PM
Obama needs to tell Bibi to stop all this or we will fark him up. This is insane. And we should do WHATEVER it takes to make sure Israel doesn't ignite a conflict. They will put our troops in danger with this bullshiat
 
2012-08-15 08:08:09 PM

Amos Quito: liam76: intelligent comment below: Projection! You mean what ever gets you through the day, getting through yesterday required you to blame Jews for the Holocaust and say they had it coming, like Amos Quito has done in the past

Come on, we know he won't come out and say that. He just posts propaganda1 to that effect and presents argument that require that conclusion2, but he won't come out and say it (or deny it3).


These two have a bad habit of - how you say? - being VERY liberal in paraphrasing what others have said.


This is very simple.

1 You posted a headline claiming "Judea Declares War on Germany" (sans context) in response to someone saying jews didn't cause the Holocaust? Yes or No?

2 You argue that Israel was all because of Zionists, and you concede that Israel wouldn't exist without Hitler/Holocaust (if it was all because of Zionists, then they must be behind Hitler/Holocaust)? Yes or No?

3 Can you say Jews didn't cause the Holocaust? Yes or No?
 
2012-08-15 08:08:09 PM

Bubbarella: God's chosen people don't need your approval.
If it threatens the Holy Land then it should be exterminated.
I can't believe so many people here are so anti-semetic.
You'll learn soon enough.


If I have to choose between the self-proclaimed God's Chosen People and the Muslins, I'll chose neither, thanks very much. They can both strangle each other in the gutter for all I care.
 
2012-08-15 08:08:29 PM

Amos Quito: Indeed.

And there was this ONE president that was DETERMINED that Israel would NOT get nuclear weapons.

He demanded that the Israelis open Dimona - their nuclear facility - for inspections.

Unfortunately, he had an accident.

But that's okay, because the guy who replaced him was VERY pro-Zionist.


/Sure glad that Israel is our ally



I'm game for blaming Mossad/Israel for various conspiracies (USS Liberty, Iranian nuke scientist assassinations, etc.) but the evidence on JFK really points elsewhere. Look into E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession that he was involved as backup. I read Dr. Mary's Monkey and Me and Lee and both books are outstanding for understanding where Oswald came from and the intelligence community that was operating in New Orleans. I haven't read JFK and the Unspeakable yet, but I hear it's solid work and I don't think it points toward Israel. Few people realize just how much new information has come out on JFK just in the last three years.
 
2012-08-15 08:09:12 PM

intelligent comment below: Hobodeluxe: because they might do what Israel is threatening to do?
Israel promotes terrorism by proxy,assassinations,spies on it's friends and enemies alike and oppresses it's own people. it also makes regular threats against Iran.
they aren't innocent bystanders in all this.

Israel has looked too long into the abyss


So then 9/11 was justified based on the history of America dealing with the rest of the world? Do you really want to go down this slippery slope?


no I think you just slid all the way to the bottom of the hill with that derp.
 
2012-08-15 08:09:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: Look how fast the Captain got you off-track about whether war between Israel and Iran might be a bad thing



There is no upcoming war with Iran. It's all just a political ploy to rally around the government that keeps having to deal with massive protests about living conditions, drafting religious youth, etc.

If Israel wanted to attack Iran they would have done it already, in strikes similar to Syria and Iraq, to which there was no warning.
 
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