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(BBC)   Israel begins to Cheney-ize a war with Iran: "It will last a month and only kill 500 Israelis"   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 413
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2012-08-15 06:54:23 PM
Bubbarella

best part...................................forever
 
2012-08-15 06:55:07 PM
9/11 Israelis

In September 2001, The New York Times and Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that four hours after the attack, the FBI arrested five Israelis who had been filming the smoking skyline from the roof of a white van in the parking lot of an apartment building, for "puzzling behavior". They were charged with illegally residing in the United States and working there without permits. The Israelis were said to have been videotaping the disaster with what was interpreted as cries of "joy and mockery".[57][58] Police found the van and a search revealed $4,700 in cash hidden, along with foreign passports and a boxcutter which aroused suspicions and led to the detention of the occupants. The men were held in detention for more than 2 months, during which time they were subjected to interrogation and lie detector tests, before being deported back to Israel; one of the men (Paul Kurzberg) refused to take the test for 10 weeks, and then failed it.[59]

The five men worked at the company Urban Moving Systems, owned and operated by Dominick Suter. After the men were arrested the FBI searched their offices and questioned Suter, however Suter fled to Israel before he could be questioned further. Eventually, Suter's name appeared on the May 2002 FBI Suspect List, along with the September 11 hijackers and other suspected extremists.[60][not in citation given][61][62][63]

According to a former CIA chief of operations for counterterrorism Vince Cannistraro, there was speculation that Urban Moving Systems may have been a front for an intelligence operation investigating fund-raising networks channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad. On March 15, 2002, The Forward claimed that the FBI had concluded that the van's driver, Paul Kurzberg, and his brother Sivan, were indeed Mossad operatives, who were in America "spying on local Arabs".[64] ABC news cited this report on June 21, 2002, adding that the FBI had concluded that the five Israelis had no foreknowledge of the attacks.[65]

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With friends like this...
 
2012-08-15 06:55:21 PM
Rich Cream:Quote thingie not working. Dumasses ever hear of debugging?

Drew isn't into debuggery.
 
2012-08-15 06:55:39 PM
Who green-lit this train-wreck of a headline?
 
2012-08-15 06:55:47 PM
img21.imageshack.us

/obscure?
 
2012-08-15 06:56:14 PM
What does isreal do say "We blew up all your equipment and factories and stuff. We're chill now right?" Assume that isreal does manage to decimate Iran's army to such an extent that Iran can't wage 'proper' war after 30 days... doesn't this just mean they now have for face an intense suicide bombing and shelling campaign?

I think that they'd have to cut Iran's army by more than a tenth in order to win.
 
2012-08-15 06:56:59 PM
OK, but will the hearts and minds of Iran be won? That's the main thing.
 
2012-08-15 06:57:26 PM
So Israel is willing to spread highly radioactive (they say so) material across southern and western Asia and kill a multitude of Jewish Iranians with bombs, and for what? To avoid the death of Jews and the spread of nuclear radioactivity?
 
2012-08-15 06:58:06 PM
moops
Good luck Israel, we in the United States are not interested in helping your in your pre-emptive strike.

We tried that once, and it failed. It cost us (and still is costing us) about 3 trillion dollars.


Restructuring the country to supplant domestic corporate control over their resources cost 3 trillion. I doubt the Israeil's have any interest other than killing muslims, which will be significantly cheaper.
 
2012-08-15 06:58:06 PM
I'd believe it. They'd probably start lobbing nukes in week two and want another 2 weeks before accepting a surrender.
 
2012-08-15 06:59:08 PM
shkkmo
'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

//root
//word
 
2012-08-15 07:00:04 PM
Izzy's been beating the war drums HARD (again) since ROMNEY! went on his ass-kissing mission to the Zionist State.

Noticed the price of fuel since then?

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

But it's worth every dollar it costs you if it will make Bibi less nervous.

AMIRITE?


This is more about influencing American politics (read DUMP OBAMA) than it is about anything Iran is doing.

Barry needs to grow some balls and throw down sanctions on Israel NOW.

Good times.
 
2012-08-15 07:00:33 PM
Of course, Iranian hatred of Israel is completely unfounded, it's not like Mossad helped build SAVAK and brutalize the Iranian people in the name of the Shah or anything. Nah.
 
2012-08-15 07:00:36 PM
well Syria and Egypt are in disarray. If they are going to do it they better do it before the elections. So they can help Romney win.
 
2012-08-15 07:00:58 PM
shkkmo: 'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

What about hexidecimate?
 
2012-08-15 07:01:22 PM
Wyalt Derp:
Will it pay for itself, and will they be greeted as liberators?


The Iranians will greet them with flowers, and it will all be over in time for Christmas.
 
2012-08-15 07:01:55 PM
Israel went out and got the nuclear bomb. Iran can't or won't.

So guess what weapon of mass destruction Iran will deploy? Chemical and biological. Probably from Syria.

Iran used those weapons in a war against Iraq.
 
2012-08-15 07:02:36 PM
Snarfangel:shkkmo: 'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

What about hexidecimate?


That would mean "kill every F'th" soldier.
 
2012-08-15 07:04:20 PM
Raoul Eaton: The Iranians will greet them with flowers, and it will all be over in time for Christmas.

Jews don't do x-mas.

Does this mean that the war will go on 'til all Jews convert?

/Harmageddon
 
2012-08-15 07:04:46 PM
"You only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down."- Adolf Hitler on the invasion of the Soviet Union
 
2012-08-15 07:04:52 PM
Captain_Ballbeard: Of course, Iranian hatred of Israel is completely unfounded, it's not like Mossad helped build SAVAK and brutalize the Iranian people in the name of the Shah or anything. Nah.

You know those kind of remarks around here means you hate Israel, worship Hitler and don't believe in the Holocaust, right?

/also why isn't my quote key working?
 
2012-08-15 07:05:32 PM
r1niceboy What the fark did Romney promise them during his visit?

Best wait until the check clears in November
 
2012-08-15 07:05:46 PM
Hobodeluxe: well Syria and Egypt are in disarray. If they are going to do it they better do it before the elections. So they can help Romney win.


Okay, he gets it.
 
2012-08-15 07:05:58 PM
The pragmatic and least costly solution to all this nonsense would be for the US to wipe out the illegal settlements. 20 minutes of airstrikes, problem solved.
 
2012-08-15 07:06:00 PM
Did you know Israel is deporting all of its African immigrants right now? Started on June 10th.

Google "Israel deport" and throw in the word "infiltrator" for extra fun
 
2012-08-15 07:06:23 PM
So they plan on killing their own people? I mean, if you are going to lie, you have to lie Big! No one will die, in fact, the Iranian army will turn around and take their own leadership captive once they see our flag on the horizon!
 
2012-08-15 07:06:26 PM
There is an awful lot of wool spread throughout this thread.
 
2012-08-15 07:06:43 PM
Iran has the largest and most diverse ballistic missile arsenal in the Middle East

Yes. They have missiles designed in both Photoshop AND Illustrator available in EPS, PDF, and JPG
 
2012-08-15 07:07:43 PM
Gee guys, can't we save this for the day crew.
 
2012-08-15 07:07:51 PM
Amos Quito
Izzy's been beating the war drums HARD (again) since ROMNEY! went on his ass-kissing mission to the Zionist State.

Noticed the price of fuel since then?

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

But it's worth every dollar it costs you if it will make Bibi less nervous.

AMIRITE?

This is more about influencing American politics (read DUMP OBAMA) than it is about anything Iran is doing.

Barry needs to grow some balls and throw down sanctions on Israel NOW.

Good times.


Obama needs a couple of months before he can grow any balls. The last time a President started pushing Israel to quit acting like a genocidal monster Lucianne Goldberg unleashed the Lewinsky "scandal". Clinton shut up about Israel.

And I think the Amirites were annihilated on God's orders in the Old Testament, so I don't see how they figure in.
 
2012-08-15 07:08:14 PM
Yeah. A month. With minimal losses. And all of the Iranian citizens will gladly take this invasion and overthrow, the neighboring countries will be pretty chill with the whole thing happening and and a pig will fly right over the fireworks of the day of victory. No short-term or long-term effects, nosirree.
 
2012-08-15 07:08:38 PM
Gyrfalcon

Captain_Ballbeard: Of course, Iranian hatred of Israel is completely unfounded, it's not like Mossad helped build SAVAK and brutalize the Iranian people in the name of the Shah or anything. Nah.

You know those kind of remarks around here means you hate Israel, worship Hitler and don't believe in the Holocaust, right?


OBVIOUSLY


/also why isn't my quote key working?



The Israeli cyber attack has begun.

They started with Fark.
 
2012-08-15 07:09:03 PM
jaytkay

Mass murder is the solution?
 
2012-08-15 07:11:31 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: Israel went out and got the nuclear bomb. Iran can't or won't.

So guess what weapon of mass destruction Iran will deploy? Chemical and biological. Probably from Syria.

Iran used those weapons in a war against Iraq.


Got that backwards, Iraq gassed Iran. And the Kurds just 'cause
 
2012-08-15 07:12:08 PM
signaljammer
shkkmo
'Decimate' means 'kill every tenth' as a punishment for an army.

//root
//word


Decimate in its modern usage also means "to reduce drastically, especially in number".

/context and usage matter
//thanks, I still learned something
 
2012-08-15 07:13:56 PM
I just don't see this (conventional war with Iran) happening, at least not with Israel as the initial aggressor: I think Israel is too aware of its own geographical disadvantage when it comes to conventional war.

Look at the country on the map - it's one long eastern front with the sea at your back. Lots of wide open desert, with nowhere to run or hide. A perforated border with the Palestinians, who will rise up and fight for the other guy at first chance. Not to mention that something like 80-90% of the Israeli population and industrial base is concentrated into only three cities - so there is no hope for sustained conflict on Israel's part, as those cities will be struck early.

Put simply, there is no way for Israel to win that war.

/now a precision nuclear strike, I could see
//shudder
 
2012-08-15 07:14:36 PM
A Dark Evil Omen

Give the settlers a one-week warning to move out.
 
2012-08-15 07:14:38 PM
Pretty sure the person Subby was thinking of was Rumsfeld, not Cheney.
 
2012-08-15 07:14:48 PM
WizardofToast: And all of the Iranian citizens will gladly take this invasion and overthrow, the neighboring countries will be pretty chill with the whole thing happening and and a pig will fly right over the fireworks of the day of victory.

Flying pigs aren't kosher.
 
2012-08-15 07:16:22 PM
"Did you know Israel is deporting all of its African immigrants right now? Started on June 10th."

The plan is not to deport all of the African immigrants, actually just the illegal ones. There are more than a million Israelis of Ethiopian, Moroccan, Tunisian, Egyptian etc. origin, for which there are no plans for deportation. The United States and many other nations also deport illegal immigrants from time to time. And in any event, I was in south Tel Aviv yesterday and you wouldn't know that the Sudanese have all been deported from the looks of it...
 
2012-08-15 07:16:50 PM
WizardofToast:
Yeah. A month. With minimal losses. And all of the Iranian citizens will gladly take this invasion and overthrow, the neighboring countries will be pretty chill with the whole thing happening and and a pig will fly right over the fireworks of the day of victory. No short-term or long-term effects, nosirree.


That whole pig thing is just not going to happen. It's not kosher or halal.
 
2012-08-15 07:17:07 PM
Good thing iran hasn't fixed that upward kill limit bug on their klllbots.
 
2012-08-15 07:18:29 PM
I think the proper term is Rumsfeld-ize.
 
2012-08-15 07:18:39 PM
What an Israel being may look like

static.ibnlive.in.com
 
2012-08-15 07:19:03 PM
www.bendib.com
 
2012-08-15 07:20:39 PM
It would certainly be better for Israelis who want peace if America told the Israeli faction that wants war that they won't be supported when they do something foolish.
 
2012-08-15 07:21:21 PM
I'm pretty sure that, according to the Bush Doctrine, Iran is perfectly within its rights to pre-emptively destroy Israel. Right? Seems fair.
 
2012-08-15 07:21:26 PM
I figure the Israelis will take and keep the Sinai before they do anything else. And they're keeping the Sinai this time.
 
2012-08-15 07:21:54 PM
I'm sure by then CAIR will have convinced the US to attack Israel.
 
2012-08-15 07:22:13 PM
You know who else thought it would last a month and only kill 500 jews...
 
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