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(BBC)   The most spectacularly stupid transfer of the summer. Relax, Liverpool fans, for once this has nothing to do with you   (bbc.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-08-15 03:21:50 PM  
Motherfarker.
 
2012-08-15 04:22:12 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Motherfarker.


I'm actually okay with this. I give Robin a lot of respect. He was the most important person to the club last season, and his amazing run of goals singlehandedly saved Arsenal's season. But I think this will prove to be a good move for Arsenal in the long run, even if it does deprive us of our biggest attacking threat in the short term.

Arsenal just got £24m for a player that just broke the club's single-season goal record--in his first full season of health in 8 years. I'd chalk him up for 15-20 goals next season if he stays healthy, and a declining production after that--again, if he stays healthy.

To the Manchester United fans, I wish this for you: may Van Persie's career be as successful for you as he was for us. I'll let you figure out if that's a blessing or a curse.
 
2012-08-15 04:30:36 PM  

Langston: mitchcumstein1: Motherfarker.

I'm actually okay with this. I give Robin a lot of respect. He was the most important person to the club last season, and his amazing run of goals singlehandedly saved Arsenal's season. But I think this will prove to be a good move for Arsenal in the long run, even if it does deprive us of our biggest attacking threat in the short term.

Arsenal just got £24m for a player that just broke the club's single-season goal record--in his first full season of health in 8 years. I'd chalk him up for 15-20 goals next season if he stays healthy, and a declining production after that--again, if he stays healthy.


I agree 100%.

On another note...I wonder what's going to happen to Walcott. Anyone else hear the rumours about a transfer Liverpool?
 
2012-08-15 04:35:19 PM  
Stupid for who? United get a great player, and Arsenal get 24M for a player with one year left on his contract. Win win if you ask me.
 
2012-08-15 04:47:04 PM  

cerwen: On another note...I wonder what's going to happen to Walcott. Anyone else hear the rumours about a transfer Liverpool?


Not a peep, but RvP's move to Man U will probably probably get the ball rolling on that one. My guess is that he'll stay and get a fatter contract. RvP's contract situation had a whole lot of stuff on hold.

Sirjohnfalstaff: Stupid for who? United get a great player, and Arsenal get 24M for a player with one year left on his contract. Win win if you ask me.


It depends on how the season plays out. If Van Persie replicates last season four more times in the next four years, then United got the better of the deal. If Arsenal has difficulty scoring this year, then United got the better of the deal. But if Van Persie loses his golden touch in front of the goal, or if he gets injured and spends a lot of time in the training room, then Arsenal just convinced United to spend a substantial amount of money for him that they could have used elsewhere to strengthen their team (I've heard United supporters saying another midfielder, at least).
 
2012-08-15 04:48:36 PM  

Langston: mitchcumstein1: Motherfarker.

I'm actually okay with this. I give Robin a lot of respect. He was the most important person to the club last season, and his amazing run of goals singlehandedly saved Arsenal's season. But I think this will prove to be a good move for Arsenal in the long run, even if it does deprive us of our biggest attacking threat in the short term.

Arsenal just got £24m for a player that just broke the club's single-season goal record--in his first full season of health in 8 years. I'd chalk him up for 15-20 goals next season if he stays healthy, and a declining production after that--again, if he stays healthy.

To the Manchester United fans, I wish this for you: may Van Persie's career be as successful for you as he was for us. I'll let you figure out if that's a blessing or a curse.


What makes me nervous is this now seems to be a pattern. Losing a 30 year old van Persie isn't the problem, it's the fact that this is the second summer in a row that Arsenal has lost its best player. This year they have replaced, and replaced well, but is this the new normal? Now, with Barca sniffing around Alex Song does Arsenal let him go too? Is Arsenal now a feeder club for Barca and the Manchester clubs? That I don't like.

And like somebody said in another thread, 10 years ago the thought of Arsenal's best player going to Manchester United would have been unthinkable, at any price.
 
2012-08-15 04:52:51 PM  
RvP = $24M (injury history coming off of a monster year which has a 50/50 shot of ever happenning again and he is 29)

Podulski = $12M (over 100 caps for Germany and excels coming off of passes and he is 27)
Giroud = $12M (leading goal scorer in France last year and he is 25)
Cazorla = $15M (exciting central midfielder who pushes play to the forwards and has a solid hold on a roster spot on the Spanish national team and he is 27)

I'm an Arsenal fan and I am okay with this move. Arsenal gets much more diverse up front and younger while cashing in on a player who may never achieve the levels of play that he accomplished last year.
 
2012-08-15 04:54:45 PM  

Sirjohnfalstaff: Stupid for who? United get a great player, and Arsenal get 24M for a player with one year left on his contract. Win win if you ask me.


Absolutely. We got RvP at his absolute best. There was never a better sell-high candidate.

Don't forget who we picked up this summer, and there's days to go yet.
 
2012-08-15 05:01:27 PM  

balfourk: Cazorla = $15M (exciting central midfielder who pushes play to the forwards and has a solid hold on a roster spot on the Spanish national team and he is 27)


I'm wondering where Cazorla fits into the team. When Wilshere gets healthy, does Arteta become a reserve? Does Wenger go back to 4-4-2?
 
2012-08-15 05:09:24 PM  

mitchcumstein1: What makes me nervous is this now seems to be a pattern. Losing a 30 year old van Persie isn't the problem, it's the fact that this is the second summer in a row that Arsenal has lost its best player. This year they have replaced, and replaced well, but is this the new normal? Now, with Barca sniffing around Alex Song does Arsenal let him go too? Is Arsenal now a feeder club for Barca and the Manchester clubs? That I don't like.

And like somebody said in another thread, 10 years ago the thought of Arsenal's best player going to Manchester United would have been unthinkable, at any price.


Well, this wasn't pushed by Arsenal, it was RvP's statement in July that he wouldn't sign an extension at the end of his contract, which meant Arsenal could 1) keep him and let him go on a free at the end of the season, or 2) get as much as they could for him so they could strengthen the squad. Nobody else was willing or able to meet Arsenal's valuation, and I'm frankly surprised that they got as much for him as they did. Would I rather have him? Absolutely. But he was checked out of Arsenal the moment he published that "I'm leaving" notice.

Arsenal has been parsimonious since the move to the new stadium, and last summer it bit them on the ass, hard. I thought Wenger in particular misjudged that situation badly. But I can't fault the club/Wenger for this move. This is RvP's last chance for a big paycheck before he retires, this is an opportunity for Arsenal to get the maximum money for a player at his zenith who wants to go anyway. AND they bought solid players (not kids) knowing that this could happen. I don't like losing RvP, but I think that this is the best possible outcome Arsenal could have hoped for based on the situation. Their moves for Giroud and Podolski were good, but getting Cazorla at a discount finally gives them that attacking position that was vacated by Fabregas.

I'd have rather seen RvP go to Juve, but their offer was insultingly low.

Things will turn around for the attractiveness of the club when Arsenal both 1) wins some silverware, and 2) stays in the CL. We were fortunate last year that we held onto the #3 spot on the table by our fingernails, but we've had a problem the last few years with the first part.
 
2012-08-15 05:10:47 PM  
p.twimg.com

surely a man of such high integrity will be true to his word
 
2012-08-15 05:16:26 PM  
Can't wait for Saturday guys!! So pumped for a EPL thread and i actually watch it now!!

/GO MAN C!!!
 
2012-08-15 05:47:40 PM  
So Manchester United's new attacking duo is...Fatman and Robin?
 
2012-08-15 06:17:55 PM  
fc04.deviantart.net

Farking. ManU. I didn't realize I hated them quite this much. Why not sign everyone?
 
2012-08-15 06:28:04 PM  
He's 29.

He's injury prone.

He would be available for free next summer. Is he really worth his transfer fee for this season?

We need a midfielder and a left back.

A journalist on Twitter (I don't have the tweet, sorry) called this a Galactico signing. Which it is. Signing superstars is not what we do. At least not successfully, eh Seba?

The forward department is the least weak part of the squad. Welbeck, Chicharito, Kagawa and Fatman have a nice balance and lots of goals. Berba couldn't get a game last season, but now we're supposed to find room for Kagawa and RVP? How does that work? Put Kagawa on the wing or in midfield? Genius.

We scored 89 goals in the league last season, our second highest amount in a 38-game season. We conceded 33 goals, the second highest amount in the last six seasons. That horrific European campaign? Scored in every game. The idea that it's easier to score 5/4/4/4 to beat Everton/Basle/Blackburn/Newcastle rather than not conceding 4/3/3/3 is just too much for my admittedly simple mind to comprehend. I'm all for doing it in style rather than waiting for the other lot to die of boredom, but Jesus.

MUFC obsession with RVP when we need a midfielder is like walking into a department store butt-naked and buying nothing but a top hat.

If you have a leaking roof and are still driving a Morris Minor, it's silly to buy a marble-encrusted toilet.

A fire has broken out in Robin van Persie's North London penthouse. Police suspect Arsene

Slightly NSFW

/I'll undoubtedly think of something else as I'm lying awake tonight. I'll be back tomorrow :)
//Subby. If you hadn't figured it out.
 
2012-08-15 06:32:27 PM  
Sonofabiatch. Luka Modric to Real Madrid.
 
2012-08-15 06:58:11 PM  
Fergie ought to be spending what little money he has to work with on defense. Seriously. Every year it's the same thing. Why the need for a glut of forwards? Meanwhile, they're talking about using Carrick as a defender because the back four can't stay healthy. And United still hasn't unloaded Berbatov. Sheer silliness.
 
2012-08-15 06:59:49 PM  

yookaloco: Farking. ManU. I didn't realize I hated them quite this much. Why not sign everyone?


Man City's kinda already doing that.
 
2012-08-15 07:09:17 PM  
yookaloco

Farking. ManU. I didn't realize I hated them quite this much. Why not sign everyone?

I was at the Liverpool/Roma friendly at Fenway last month, my favorite song from the crowd had the closing line "We're not racist, we only hate Mancs"

Livepool lost, but had a blast anyway. Last game that I saw was the friendly at UConn way back when Owen was still on the team.

But of course ManU has to sign everyone, have to get attention away from City

/quote button broken for anyone else?
 
2012-08-15 07:33:34 PM  
Is this the USA-Mexico thread?
 
2012-08-15 07:38:12 PM  

TheLads69: Is this the USA-Mexico thread?


One thread down, chap.
 
2012-08-15 07:42:20 PM  
Thank you -- was blinded by EPL intro to that thread LOL
 
2012-08-15 07:46:29 PM  
What's really stupid is that I had already posted in that thread earlier. Early onset Alzheimer's, here I come!

/or alcohol
//go usa!
 
2012-08-15 07:49:40 PM  

Gonz: Sonofabiatch. Luka Modric to Real Madrid.


Hate to see him go....but I'll be glad when all the drama is over and the team can get back to playing.

/better RM then another EPL team I guess
 
2012-08-15 08:32:57 PM  
I had thought the RvP rumors were only slightly more possible than Bolt getting a tryout at Old Trafford. Shows what I know, apparently...

I'm not sure I think this is necessarily a good signing for United, but their squad could have a really interesting look next season...assuming everyone stays healthy...
 
2012-08-15 08:46:29 PM  
Guardado is a helluva player.
 
2012-08-15 08:52:15 PM  
Would've been better if Juve paid us 24 mil. Hell 25 mil!

I think wengz should make a move for Demsey or another proven performer in the prem, espeically a defender.

And we either need Song to sign a new contract or sell asap and M'Villa asap. 15 mil quoted by Barca is a joke, though.

I'd be shocked if Wiltshere is back before christmas. We need to fire all of our medical staff. Now, I'm not saying we should break the bank to get Chelsea's cute physio type lady from off the bench fame, but someone with a medical degree from the 21st centuary would be a start.
 
2012-08-15 11:11:17 PM  

Gonz: Sonofabiatch. Luka Modric to Real Madrid.


Did they finally accept the bid? I love Tottenham's hardball negotiations throughout this transfer window.

There's no replacing Luka, but maybe Gio Dos Santos will finally get some time, but not likely with the Sigurdsson signing, but he looks promising.

/COYS
 
2012-08-15 11:50:32 PM  
RVPIAC?

Kinda sad to see him go, but this kinda bugged me

"t is understood Van Persie was encouraged by the arrivals of Germany forward Lukas Podolski, France striker Olivier Giroud and Spain midfielder Cazorla - to the point where he was open to the idea of staying with or without a new contract.

But Wenger pulled him aside shortly before Sunday's friendly victory over Cologne, told him he would be sold if a deal could be reached and informed the Dutchman he was no longer part of his plans."

Maybe he shouldn't have announced to the world he wasn't going to resign with Arsenal before the signings....
 
2012-08-16 07:47:05 AM  
Awww subby sounds like a butthurt gooner. You'll get over it.

So where's Theo Walcott off to?
 
2012-08-16 08:27:27 AM  

TonnageVT: Awww subby sounds like a butthurt gooner. You'll get over it.

So where's Theo Walcott off to?


Subby sounds like a butthurt manc, not a gooner. MU has no midfield aside from a few 50 year olds and its defense is falling apart, yet you spend mightily on a striker when you have Rooney, little pea/ochocincorito, Welbeck, Berb, etc.

I'm okay with selling a 29yo on the last year of his contract and who has spent more time on the table than the pitch, especially for 24m.

Especially especially if we use that 24m to bring in more quality before the end of the window.
 
2012-08-16 08:48:37 AM  

Fark You Buddy: RVPIAC?

Kinda sad to see him go, but this kinda bugged me

"t is understood Van Persie was encouraged by the arrivals of Germany forward Lukas Podolski, France striker Olivier Giroud and Spain midfielder Cazorla - to the point where he was open to the idea of staying with or without a new contract.

But Wenger pulled him aside shortly before Sunday's friendly victory over Cologne, told him he would be sold if a deal could be reached and informed the Dutchman he was no longer part of his plans."

Maybe he shouldn't have announced to the world he wasn't going to resign with Arsenal before the signings....


IIRC the Giroud and Podolski signings were sealed before Van Persie made his announcement. At the time they were also hotly pursuing M'Villa, but changed their focus to Cazorla a couple of weeks later.
 
2012-08-16 10:32:39 AM  

hypocaffeinemia: Subby sounds like a butthurt manc, not a gooner. MU has no midfield aside from a few 50 year olds and its defense is falling apart, yet you spend mightily on a striker when you have Rooney, little pea/ochocincorito, Welbeck, Berb, etc.


Yes, absolutely no midfield except for Nani, Young, Valencia, Carrick, Kagawa, Scholes, Giggs, Fletcher and Cleverley.

We do need help in the LB position, and I'm hoping United make a late bid for Leighton Baines, but doubt that will happen, but other than that, with Vidic back to full strength, we also have Evra, Rio, Evans, Jones, Da Silva ready to go...

...I'm not exactly worried right now...

/Still funny to see Gooners wishing him injury and talk about how injury prone he is after having the best season of his career without any injuries. "He left our team? oh he's shiate, he'll be hurt next week!"
 
2012-08-16 11:15:07 AM  

TonnageVT: /Still funny to see Gooners wishing him injury and talk about how injury prone he is after having the best season of his career without any injuries. "He left our team? oh he's shiate, he'll be hurt next week!"


Speaking for myself, every time he was tackled last year I held my breath because I was terrified that he'd be hurt--again--and we'd lose him for the season when most of our other forwards were having considerable difficulty finding the net. Walcott was second on the scoring list with only 8 goals, and Vermaelen--a defender--had as many goals as Gervinho, Arshavin and Chamakh combined.

I don't specifically wish him injury, but I'd prefer for Arsenal's sake that he's not particularly effective for United. That being said, unless he has two straight seasons for you that matched last season, you likely overpaid.
 
2012-08-16 11:29:36 AM  

Langston: mitchcumstein1: Motherfarker.

I'm actually okay with this. I give Robin a lot of respect. He was the most important person to the club last season, and his amazing run of goals singlehandedly saved Arsenal's season. But I think this will prove to be a good move for Arsenal in the long run, even if it does deprive us of our biggest attacking threat in the short term.

Arsenal just got £24m for a player that just broke the club's single-season goal record--in his first full season of health in 8 years. I'd chalk him up for 15-20 goals next season if he stays healthy, and a declining production after that--again, if he stays healthy.

To the Manchester United fans, I wish this for you: may Van Persie's career be as successful for you as he was for us. I'll let you figure out if that's a blessing or a curse.


All of this. Seriously, Utd gave RvP a £220K/wk contract for FOUR years?!

I'm ok with this. RvP showed his true colors; Arsenal actually showed some ambition with their signings and he still left.

What I'm hoping for is that money's used to bolster the defense and possibly add a DM.
 
2012-08-16 11:35:03 AM  

Gonz: Sonofabiatch. Luka Modric to Real Madrid.


Well that was expected for some time now. I'm guessing with the EPL starting this Saturday a lot of clubs are wanting to pull the trigger for fear of the asking price getting inflated.
 
2012-08-16 11:37:19 AM  

TonnageVT: Awww subby sounds like a butthurt gooner. You'll get over it.

So where's Theo Walcott off to?


Just pray he doesn't turn into a Flamini or Viera at Juve.

Besides, Arsenal have a much better squad than ManU this season. Unless you somehow pry Sneijder or another creative MF from somewhere.
 
2012-08-16 01:16:15 PM  
So RvP going to a bigger club to win some silverware. Worked for Nasri.

/yes I went there
//never do a full Nasri
///NIAC
 
2012-08-17 07:48:14 AM  
The deal really was good for both clubs, and as far as van Persie is concerned, I hope Tony Adams bones Bouchra and doesn't give her a reach around.
 
2012-08-17 08:14:31 AM  

TonnageVT: hypocaffeinemia: Subby sounds like a butthurt manc, not a gooner. MU has no midfield aside from a few 50 year olds and its defense is falling apart, yet you spend mightily on a striker when you have Rooney, little pea/ochocincorito, Welbeck, Berb, etc.

Yes, absolutely no midfield except for Nani, Young, Valencia, Carrick, Kagawa, Scholes, Giggs, Fletcher and Cleverley.

We do need help in the LB position, and I'm hoping United make a late bid for Leighton Baines, but doubt that will happen, but other than that, with Vidic back to full strength, we also have Evra, Rio, Evans, Jones, Da Silva ready to go...

...I'm not exactly worried right now...

/Still funny to see Gooners wishing him injury and talk about how injury prone he is after having the best season of his career without any injuries. "He left our team? oh he's shiate, he'll be hurt next week!"


I can't wait to watch Shrek and RvP's ego's collide. Will be fun to see who takes spot kicks.
 
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