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(ABC)   "Obama's campaign strategy is to smash America apart and if an American president wins that way, we all lose" says Mitt Romney, a member of the party that caused last year's triple-A rating downgrade just to screw the president   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 274
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2012-08-15 08:02:12 PM

emotion_lotion: Oh ya I forgot about all those articles I read stating the S&P down graded the US due to President Obama's unwillingness to compromise.


"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."
 
2012-08-15 08:02:20 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: Well, if he is that incompetent a politician and negotiator, then yes, he would need to cave. I thought you thought he was smart and a great politician?

So by being a great politician, you need to cave to your opposition?

Hmm...Worked for Reagan right? ;)

Yes.
"He also noted that Reagan wasn't opposed to legislative compromises, getting spending cuts when he could. "He was a practical person," Cannon said. "He would say, let's take some this year and come back next year and take some more."

If he was facing a $15,000,000,000,000 debt I think his actions may have been a bit different than when he face a debt 5 times smaller than that.


Yeah, it isn't like he tripled the deficit or anything... totally fiscally conservative!
 
2012-08-15 08:03:08 PM

Halli: tenpoundsofcheese: so you were okay with the downgrade.
well, so was 0bama, so if you want to whine about the downgrade, blame 0bama.

No I think people will blame the GOP just S&P did.


"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."

Yeah, about that.
 
2012-08-15 08:03:38 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: emotion_lotion: Oh ya I forgot about all those articles I read stating the S&P down graded the US due to President Obama's unwillingness to compromise.

"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."


Totally Obama's fault NOT the Republicans in Congress!
 
2012-08-15 08:04:22 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: emotion_lotion: Oh ya I forgot about all those articles I read stating the S&P down graded the US due to President Obama's unwillingness to compromise.

"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."



This damns rather than absolves congress.
 
2012-08-15 08:04:56 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: If he was facing a $15,000,000,000,000 debt I think his actions may have been a bit different than when he face a debt 5 times smaller than that.


So he wouldn't raise taxes now like he did back in the 1980s multiple times?
 
2012-08-15 08:05:06 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: emotion_lotion: Oh ya I forgot about all those articles I read stating the S&P down graded the US due to President Obama's unwillingness to compromise.

"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."


That poor, poor chicken...
 
2012-08-15 08:06:19 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Halli: tenpoundsofcheese: so you were okay with the downgrade.
well, so was 0bama, so if you want to whine about the downgrade, blame 0bama.

No I think people will blame the GOP just S&P did.

"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."

Yeah, about that.


This doesn't absolve congress and you left out all the parts about how GOP political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling debate was a huge factor in the downgrade.
 
2012-08-15 08:10:22 PM

iaazathot: tenpoundsofcheese: emotion_lotion: Oh ya I forgot about all those articles I read stating the S&P down graded the US due to President Obama's unwillingness to compromise.

"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."

That poor, poor chicken...


It could be that when 10poc sees "Congress and the Administration" his brain just goes OBAMA !!!!
 
2012-08-15 08:10:30 PM
Awww, did tenpoundsofderp run away?
 
2012-08-15 08:11:36 PM

emotion_lotion: iaazathot: tenpoundsofcheese: emotion_lotion: Oh ya I forgot about all those articles I read stating the S&P down graded the US due to President Obama's unwillingness to compromise.

"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."

That poor, poor chicken...

It could be that when 10poc sees "Congress and the Administration" his brain just goes OBAMA !!!!


Or, the chicken anus is just too irresistible.
 
2012-08-15 08:14:38 PM
Yeah, when I heard the NPR piece on this, I just busted out laughing. It just screamed, "please, please, please talking about anything I have done and just give me the presidency already!"
 
2012-08-15 08:15:08 PM

iaazathot: emotion_lotion: iaazathot: tenpoundsofcheese: emotion_lotion: Oh ya I forgot about all those articles I read stating the S&P down graded the US due to President Obama's unwillingness to compromise.

"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."

That poor, poor chicken...

It could be that when 10poc sees "Congress and the Administration" his brain just goes OBAMA !!!!

Or, the chicken anus is just too irresistible.


Fair enough, I must admit I have never looked closely at a chicken anus, perhaps it is time.
 
2012-08-15 08:17:58 PM

emotion_lotion: emotion_lotion: tenpoundsofcheese: emotion_lotion: 0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.


Thanks for worrying about my being paid. Don't worry, that is secure. Especially after things last Friday.

Wait Obama had %100 control of congress and gets to make his own budgets? 

When was this? When did the role of president change? I know I am Canadian but I think that is not the way your govenment works.

well, since you are Canadian, I will bold some words and try to use small words for you.

0bama was unwilling to compromise. If he did and if he had been a leader and worked with his own party to pass budgets, it would have been fine.

Too busy campaigning (even back then) and playing golf, I guess.

Oh ya I forgot about all those articles I read stating the S&P down graded the US due to President Obama's unwillingness to compromise.

You do understand that the entire world knows that it was the Rebuplican congress that was unwilling to compromise right?


That would mean acknowledging reality, and he can't do that.
 
2012-08-15 08:20:10 PM

emotion_lotion: iaazathot: emotion_lotion: iaazathot: tenpoundsofcheese: emotion_lotion: Oh ya I forgot about all those articles I read stating the S&P down graded the US due to President Obama's unwillingness to compromise.

"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."

That poor, poor chicken...

It could be that when 10poc sees "Congress and the Administration" his brain just goes OBAMA !!!!

Or, the chicken anus is just too irresistible.

Fair enough, I must admit I have never looked closely at a chicken anus, perhaps it is time.


Well, TPOC can tell you all about its wonders.
 
2012-08-15 08:23:12 PM

Halli: This doesn't absolve congress and you left out all the parts about how GOP political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling debate was a huge factor in the downgrade.


What outcome would have resulted in the credit rating not being downgraded?

The debt remained, we continued to make payments, the limit was raised. Obama could have headed this off at the pass by promising to cut the deficit in half during his first 2 budgets - like he promised. He had the Senate and the House and could have done it relatively easily. he got every other piece of legislation that he wanted.

He never went through the budget line by line to eliminate programs or cut the deficit. he never kicked out lobbyists and Wall street still got theirs. Just try once to admit he's failed as a president on the economy. We've had the bailouts, QE1, 2, 3, etc, the auto companies got "saved", Welfare to work requirement was eliminated, the illegals get to stay,

Oh wait, you're one of those people who think that our economy stinks because things arent "fair' Never mind then...
 
2012-08-15 08:25:47 PM

o5iiawah: Halli: This doesn't absolve congress and you left out all the parts about how GOP political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling debate was a huge factor in the downgrade.

What outcome would have resulted in the credit rating not being downgraded?

The debt remained, we continued to make payments, the limit was raised. Obama could have headed this off at the pass by promising to cut the deficit in half during his first 2 budgets - like he promised. He had the Senate and the House and could have done it relatively easily. he got every other piece of legislation that he wanted.

He never went through the budget line by line to eliminate programs or cut the deficit. he never kicked out lobbyists and Wall street still got theirs. Just try once to admit he's failed as a president on the economy. We've had the bailouts, QE1, 2, 3, etc, the auto companies got "saved", Welfare to work requirement was eliminated, the illegals get to stay,

Oh wait, you're one of those people who think that our economy stinks because things arent "fair' Never mind then...


Dude, if lies is all you have, your doomed.
 
2012-08-15 08:27:55 PM

iaazathot: o5iiawah: Halli: This doesn't absolve congress and you left out all the parts about how GOP political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling debate was a huge factor in the downgrade.

What outcome would have resulted in the credit rating not being downgraded?

The debt remained, we continued to make payments, the limit was raised. Obama could have headed this off at the pass by promising to cut the deficit in half during his first 2 budgets - like he promised. He had the Senate and the House and could have done it relatively easily. he got every other piece of legislation that he wanted.

He never went through the budget line by line to eliminate programs or cut the deficit. he never kicked out lobbyists and Wall street still got theirs. Just try once to admit he's failed as a president on the economy. We've had the bailouts, QE1, 2, 3, etc, the auto companies got "saved", Welfare to work requirement was eliminated, the illegals get to stay,

Oh wait, you're one of those people who think that our economy stinks because things arent "fair' Never mind then...

Dude, if lies is all you have, your you're doomed.

 
2012-08-15 08:28:57 PM
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"I certainly think bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view."


Yeah, I can't imagine why this party has a hard time noticing the flaws in their own thinking.
 
2012-08-15 08:29:27 PM

o5iiawah: Halli: This doesn't absolve congress and you left out all the parts about how GOP political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling debate was a huge factor in the downgrade.

What outcome would have resulted in the credit rating not being downgraded?

The debt remained, we continued to make payments, the limit was raised. Obama could have headed this off at the pass by promising to cut the deficit in half during his first 2 budgets - like he promised. He had the Senate and the House and could have done it relatively easily. he got every other piece of legislation that he wanted.

He never went through the budget line by line to eliminate programs or cut the deficit. he never kicked out lobbyists and Wall street still got theirs. Just try once to admit he's failed as a president on the economy. We've had the bailouts, QE1, 2, 3, etc, the auto companies got "saved", Welfare to work requirement was eliminated, the illegals get to stay,

Oh wait, you're one of those people who think that our economy stinks because things arent "fair' Never mind then...


So you're just ignoring the whole debt ceiling thing? Good for you.
 
2012-08-15 08:38:48 PM

EnviroDude: Reps shot the credit rating to screw the POTUS? How about the out of control spending that was going on at the time by the White House. This is why Obama will not run on his record. It stinks!


My 401k has tripled since Obama took office. It sat stagnant for the last 1.5 years of the Bush administration. Obama has done fine considering the worldwide bullshiat. I guess some lazy bastards will never ever be farking happy huh?
 
2012-08-15 08:57:41 PM
"You cause the downgrade to our credit rating!"

That's funny, I remember back when absolutely everything was the presidents fault, but really. When two sides refuse to give on something it's kind of funny to watch one of them blame the other for the bad result.

The completely out of control spending, massive deficits, and no end to either are what down graded our credit by the way.
 
2012-08-15 09:02:53 PM

randomjsa: "You cause the downgrade to our credit rating!"

That's funny, I remember back when absolutely everything was the presidents fault, but really. When two sides refuse to give on something it's kind of funny to watch one of them blame the other for the bad result.

The completely out of control spending, massive deficits, and no end to either are what down graded our credit by the way.


Funny I remember the democrats giving what Boehner admitted was 90% of what they wanted and the Republicans still refusing to compromise. I wish the Democrats blocked more of Bushes policies, we may be in a better positon today if they did.
 
2012-08-15 09:49:51 PM

o5iiawah: Halli: This doesn't absolve congress and you left out all the parts about how GOP political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling debate was a huge factor in the downgrade.

What outcome would have resulted in the credit rating not being downgraded?

The debt remained, we continued to make payments, the limit was raised. Obama could have headed this off at the pass by promising to cut the deficit in half during his first 2 budgets - like he promised. He had the Senate and the House and could have done it relatively easily. he got every other piece of legislation that he wanted.

He never went through the budget line by line to eliminate programs or cut the deficit. he never kicked out lobbyists and Wall street still got theirs. Just try once to admit he's failed as a president on the economy. We've had the bailouts, QE1, 2, 3, etc, the auto companies got "saved", Welfare to work requirement was eliminated, the illegals get to stay,

Oh wait, you're one of those people who think that our economy stinks because things arent "fair' Never mind then...


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-15 10:26:53 PM
Romney. He's given up on using his record, or his skill set, or his personality, and is just following a script given to him by the people paying for his campaign now.

And those folks are nuts.

It's looking good... for Obama.
 
2012-08-15 11:45:06 PM

StewPie: This argument over who caused the debt ceiling standoff last summer is ridiculous.


Yes, yes it is. It's even more ridiculous people are defending Republicans on this, and claiming the Democrats as to blame, as if their own party leadership hadn't already acknowledged culpability for it.

"We got 98% of what we wanted...." -John Boehner
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." -Mitch McConnell

Especially when Paul Ryan himself, along with Eric Cantor in the House and McConnell in the Senate, torpedoed the "Grand Compromise" that would have averted the credit rating downgrade, on the auspice would would make Obama's re-election easier.

There is no argument. There are a bunch of partisan loons blatantly denying reality that even their own affiliated party's leadership acknowledge. Those people are exorbitantly stupid, and should be ignored at all costs as even acknowledging their derp enough to debunk or provide counterpoints is more credibility than they deserve.
 
2012-08-15 11:52:08 PM
when did skinnyhead change his username to tenpoundsofcheese ?
 
2012-08-16 12:22:33 AM

EnviroDude: Reps shot the credit rating to screw the POTUS? How about the out of control spending that was going on at the time by the White House. This is why Obama will not run on his record. It stinks!


TOTES BGOTES BRAH, HIS RECORD STINKS!

But let's come back to reality. Our credit rating was downgraded because of GOP brinksmanship. Your argument is invalid. It's a beautiful nonsequitor. It's the equivalent of waving your arms around and screaming "BOOGITY BOOGITY."

Your shiat's all banged up, yo.
 
2012-08-16 12:25:30 AM
It's seriously sad and a little frightening how conservatives ignore the words spoken by their own leaders and figureheads that are literally an admission of their guilt in the way things are now. Then add in how they openly proclaim that their goal is to turn America into a misogynist, homophobic, Christian theocracy, rich man's paradise where the middle-class and poor have no health coverage and welfare babies are popping out all over because they can't stop clinging to proven failure that is abstinace-only who then fail at being educated in schools that tossed out science and math for creationism and Jesus studies, and it gets a lot more frightening.
 
2012-08-16 12:39:26 AM
do you think the downgrade had anything to do with the 15 trillion dollar debt?
 
2012-08-16 01:00:56 AM

thrgd456: do you think the downgrade had anything to do with the 15 trillion dollar debt?


Nope, not a thing.

The downgrade was due to legislature members trying to keep America from paying what is owed. Like a resteraunt patron trying to dash out the door without paying.
 
2012-08-16 01:21:37 AM

randomjsa: "You cause the downgrade to our credit rating!"

That's funny, I remember back when absolutely everything was the presidents fault, but really. When two sides refuse to give on something it's kind of funny to watch one of them blame the other for the bad result.

The completely out of control spending, massive deficits, and no end to either are what down graded our credit by the way.


Yeah, you're a fine one to talk about being fair and balanced this late in the game.

Now go play with yourself, the grownups are talking.
 
2012-08-16 01:21:59 AM
Hello, is this the party that claimed, during a time of war, that it's primary goal was to defeat the President of the United States of America?

That's real patriotic of you there. Looking forward to hearing your plans to give the Iraq and Afghan vets the same respect and care you gave the guys who were injured in Viet Nam.
 
2012-08-16 01:36:36 AM

Jackson Herring: "President Fartbangbus is so out of touch with average Americans that he owns a dancing horse. Can you believe that shiat? An actual horse that dances!" - The Romney campaign


sweetmelissa31: "President Willard Hussein Oromney opposed the Detroit auto bailout and then tried to take credit for it." -The Romney campaign


This is why you are both on my favorites.
 
2012-08-16 02:22:06 AM

valar_morghulis: EnviroDude: Reps shot the credit rating to screw the POTUS? How about the out of control spending that was going on at the time by the White House. This is why Obama will not run on his record. It stinks!

TOTES BGOTES BRAH, HIS RECORD STINKS!

But let's come back to reality. Our credit rating was downgraded because of GOP brinksmanship. Your argument is invalid. It's a beautiful nonsequitor. It's the equivalent of waving your arms around and screaming "BOOGITY BOOGITY."

Your shiat's all banged up, yo.


What exactly was the impact of this "credit ratings" drop?

Lets see mortgage rates are down... the average rate the government pays for debt is down from 4.08 when it was cut to 3.12 now....

The US government is not the same as Bobs Tire and Lube. It does not need approval from finance guys who arent smart enough to run their own companies to get the best loan from someone.

If this downgrade truly WAS because of news reports that we MIGHT not pay our debt because of Republican threats (which was never ACTUALLY on the table - despite the misinterpretations in the press) and not on actual financial facts, than the downgrade itself was likely a political ploy. The world KNOWS we arent going to default, which is why this has had little to no effect on rates.
 
2012-08-16 02:23:23 AM
okay, I misread the graph, its about 3.3 now, but still lower.
 
2012-08-16 05:06:38 AM

Gyrfalcon: Yeah, you're a fine one to talk about being fair and balanced this late in the game.

Now go play with yourself, the grownups are talking.


And one day, we will let you talk with us.
 
2012-08-16 05:17:22 AM
WombatControl

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Cry some more, ya.
 
2012-08-16 05:42:50 AM
"Governor Romney's comments tonight seemed unhinged, and particularly strange coming at a time when he's pouring tens of millions of dollars into negative ads that are demonstrably false," said Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt."

This coming from a campaign that has also been running "negative ads that are demonstrably false" about Romney
 
2012-08-16 05:43:58 AM
cdn.timesofisrael.com
Yeah Mitt, just give us 5, we got this, you putz.
 
2012-08-16 05:48:43 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: "Governor Romney's comments tonight seemed unhinged, and particularly strange coming at a time when he's pouring tens of millions of dollars into negative ads that are demonstrably false," said Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt."

This coming from a campaign that has also been running "negative ads that are demonstrably false" about Romney


Who said something false about Romney?
 
2012-08-16 07:45:07 AM
Wow, thanks a lot resident right-wing shiposters for ruining another thread.
 
2012-08-16 07:58:53 AM
Summary of TFTA and this thread: "Derp."
 
2012-08-16 08:51:41 AM
I can just see the unemployed citizen (who bought gas at double the price it was when Obama took over) drive his 10 year old car to the voting place and saying "You know, I'm not voting for a guy that belongs to the party that caused our credit rating to be downgraded."
 
2012-08-16 08:56:42 AM

Barricaded Gunman: EnviroDude: Reps shot the credit rating to screw the POTUS? How about the out of control spending that was going on at the time by the White House. This is why Obama will not run on his record. It stinks!

Demonstrating a profound lack of understanding of the topic is generally not considered an optimal opening gambit. But hell, go with it.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-16 09:01:45 AM

Cat Food Sandwiches: I can just see the unemployed citizen (who bought gas at double the price it was when Obama took over) drive his 10 year old car to the voting place and saying "You know, I'm not voting for a guy that belongs to the party that caused our credit rating to be downgraded."


No they will drive there because Romney and Republican policies will take money from his paycheck so that Romney can pay 0.82% in taxes.
 
2012-08-16 09:06:22 AM

WombatControl: It's funny to see the groupthink in action. Of course Mitt Romney is the embodiment of all that is evil and will surely lose the election by at least 10 billion percent, as the entire European Union merges with the US just to vote against him. And let's all talk about how evil and heartless and cruel he is a million times over so that we can continue to reinforce our preconceived worldview!

Get over it. Romney has his issues, to be sure, but all the stupid little Fark Liberal™ groupthink bullshiat isn't going to change the facts. The economy is stuck, people are hurting, and all Obama can do is make snide attacks against Romney while passing the buck on his own record. Instead of talking about fixing Medicare (which, by the way, Medicare Part A is already going insolvent as it's spending more than it's taking in), Obama wants to scare people. Instead of tackling the debt, Obama is promising more spending. Instead of talking about building jobs, Obama is biatching that Mitt Romney won't release his tax records, dental exams, and the results of his last prostate screening.

Grow the fark up.

You can keep up the circlejerk as much as you want. Keep pretending like Obama is the brilliant political genius and Mitt Romney is an idiot. It won't make it true, and the more you burrow into a world of self-indulgent fantasy the more fun it's going to be when reality comes calling.

You had your opportunity to show the world how great left-wing policies would be. You got your Keynesian stimulus and your nationalized health care. And then you lost when the American people rejected them. And now your hero is going to lose too.

I'd say that would wake you up to reality, but I've been around long enough to know that liberals are liberals because they refuse to acknowledge reality.


The moment I see some of these "left wing policies" actually get past the republican obstructionist @ssclowns in the house and senate is the point in which you can actually complain about them, and not before.

Tool.
 
2012-08-16 09:12:02 AM

Alphax: Who said something false about Romney?


They've been quoting him. That's misrepresentation by pointing out what he actually said.
 
2012-08-16 09:17:37 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: "The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."

This is a failure of 0bama's leadership. He is unable to work with both sides and actually compromise.
"The Buck Stops Here" - something 0bama needs to learn and take responsibility. It isn't as if there was nothing he could do to prevent it...he had it in his power to prevent it and he did not.


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2012-08-16 09:22:06 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Coyo
tenpounds, are you really admitting that congress was obstructionist? You better be careful or they will stop paying you to deflect the fact that the Republicans are actively trying to keep the unemployment rate up (remember a full percent from that number is due to public employee layoffs) and suppress the flow of capitol from the economy.

OMG. Can you imagine that congress would not just roll over and do whatever the President wanted. That has never, ever happened before. It has also never happened that congress would ask the President to compromise on what they thought was important. What also has never compromised is that the President was unwilling to compromise, unable to create any budgets in his first two years, and was willing to roll the dice with the rating in order to later blame republicans.

0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.


Thanks for worrying about my being paid. Don't worry, that is secure. Especially after things last Friday.


So, Republicans "compromising" is " roll over and do whatever the President wants". But when the President refuses to "roll over and do what the Republicans want" it becomes " unwilling to compromise, unable to create any budgets in his first two years, and was willing to roll the dice with the rating in order to later blame republicans".

Got it.
 
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