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(ABC)   "Obama's campaign strategy is to smash America apart and if an American president wins that way, we all lose" says Mitt Romney, a member of the party that caused last year's triple-A rating downgrade just to screw the president   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 274
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2012-08-15 06:42:42 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese

The US was downgraded because of 0bama's failure of leadership.

Said that we went from "The Buck Stops Here" to "Oh, poor me, the job is hard and some people disagree with me".

It isn't as if past Presidents had strong disagreements with the other party. Geesh, Clinton was impeached and he was still able to put that aside and lead the country. And people thought Bush was (fill in your favorite insult), yet Bush was able to work with them.


When has an opposition party seriously held up the debt ceiling increase?

The GOP can't shiat the bed with everybody watching and then turn around and blame Obama.
 
2012-08-15 06:44:17 PM  
Isn't it funny how 8 years ago, 5% unemployment and 3% GDP growth was a sign that Bush was leading us into a "jobless recovery" and he was a terrible President and everything bad was his fault.

Now we have 8.2% unemployment, 1.5% economic growth, high gas prices, high food prices, and the labor force is at its lowest participation rate since the Great Depression - but that's a sign of how awesome President Obama is.

At least one thing is consistent, it's still all Bush's fault to the left.

Again, grow up. The collapse of the housing bubble is not the fault of "trickle down economics" - that's a stupid, thoughtless line that gets trotted out time and time again by people in place of actually thinking. And if you want to believe that the economic policies of the last 30 years were terrible, then there's a good chance that A:) you weren't alive in the 1970s or B:) have no clue about history. (And those options are not mutually exclusive.)

Oh, and because someone has a better job now than before, I guess that means the economy is just great then! We can ignore all the actual data because someone's anecdote totally means something.

And again, this thread proves my point - the left can't think beyond bumper-sticker slogans. Why is there thread after thread after thread slagging on every inconsequential detail and every made-up pseudo-scandal involving Romney? Because if the discussion were about the issues, the left would lose. So instead it's got to be about constantly reinforcing the groupthink, constantly talking about how terrible and evil Romney is. Constantly talking about how "trickle down economics" doesn't work.

Remember, liberals use places like Fark like a drunk uses a lightpost - it's not about illumination, it's about support.
 
2012-08-15 06:44:55 PM  
This coming from the guy whose side is renowned for doing everything it can to block, fight, stop, mangle, and otherwise oppose Obama at ANYthing and EVERYthing for spite, hatred, and because if they can't have America they'll collapse it to the ground.

If Obama decided to give them everything they wanted, no strings attached, and he would throw himself off a cliff, the right would vehemently oppose it because Obama was the one who suggested it.

/think that's far-fetched? Ask Romneycare
 
2012-08-15 06:45:46 PM  
Can someone actually explain how the House GOP is to blame for the credit downturn?

The US missed no payments on debt
the debt ceiling got raised without any delay

Liberals always need a scapegoat.
 
2012-08-15 06:51:24 PM  
Link

Quite a few mentions of the debt ceiling fiasco that was the courtesy of the GOP.
 
2012-08-15 06:51:41 PM  
WombatControl

Isn't it funny how 8 years ago, 5% unemployment and 3% GDP growth was a sign that Bush was leading us into a "jobless recovery" and he was a terrible President and everything bad was his fault.

Now we have 8.2% unemployment, 1.5% economic growth, high gas prices, high food prices, and the labor force is at its lowest participation rate since the Great Depression - but that's a sign of how awesome President Obama is.

At least one thing is consistent, it's still all Bush's fault to the left.

Again, grow up. The collapse of the housing bubble is not the fault of "trickle down economics" - that's a stupid, thoughtless line that gets trotted out time and time again by people in place of actually thinking. And if you want to believe that the economic policies of the last 30 years were terrible, then there's a good chance that A:) you weren't alive in the 1970s or B:) have no clue about history. (And those options are not mutually exclusive.)

Oh, and because someone has a better job now than before, I guess that means the economy is just great then! We can ignore all the actual data because someone's anecdote totally means something.

And again, this thread proves my point - the left can't think beyond bumper-sticker slogans. Why is there thread after thread after thread slagging on every inconsequential detail and every made-up pseudo-scandal involving Romney? Because if the discussion were about the issues, the left would lose. So instead it's got to be about constantly reinforcing the groupthink, constantly talking about how terrible and evil Romney is. Constantly talking about how "trickle down economics" doesn't work.

Remember, liberals use places like Fark like a drunk uses a lightpost - it's not about illumination, it's about support.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-15 06:52:25 PM  
"Baracraptree Hussein O'Brien actually fled the country and dodged the draft during the Vietnam War, hiding in Paris. France! You can't make this up, folks." -Romney campaign
 
2012-08-15 06:55:21 PM  
WombatControl

So going to try to defend 30 years of stagnant wages as having no economic consequences next?
 
2012-08-15 06:56:20 PM  
RminusQ: I can't believe the nerve of Obama/Biden. Is there no low they won't stoop to? Last election, they accused McCain of being an old slowpoke or Palin of building a bridge to nowhere, but now that they're in office, they're terrible at everything. They're worse than Donald Rumsfeld. Rummy knew you have to go to war with the army you have, not the one you wish you had. Now, they're back in campaign mode, trying to gin up support among his fans, a bigger cult of personality than Mao ever had. But even liberals know in their heart of hearts that the debt is so big you have to stop kicking the can. A start is the sensible reform of Medicare advocated by Ryan, who they're making out to be a giant asshole. Well I call bullshiat. No matter how much they attack, Democrats are losing states in spades. Romney is making them fight for every electoral vote, from the 55 in California to the 1 in Omaha, and they're within spitting distance. For all Americans, whether they're in the crib, aged like a fine wine, or 21 and just out of college, Mitt Romney is the right choice for President.

The quote button is broken, but I believe the meme is card games - war, gin, spades, rummy, 21, cribage, 55, omaha, bridge, no low, slowpoke etc.
 
2012-08-15 06:57:18 PM  
"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."

This is a failure of 0bama's leadership. He is unable to work with both sides and actually compromise.
"The Buck Stops Here" - something 0bama needs to learn and take responsibility. It isn't as if there was nothing he could do to prevent it...he had it in his power to prevent it and he did not.
 
2012-08-15 06:57:27 PM  

WombatControl: Isn't it funny how 8 years ago, 5% unemployment and 3% GDP growth was a sign that Bush was leading us into a "jobless recovery" and he was a terrible President and everything bad was his fault.

Now we have 8.2% unemployment, 1.5% economic growth, high gas prices, high food prices, and the labor force is at its lowest participation rate since the Great Depression - but that's a sign of how awesome President Obama is.

At least one thing is consistent, it's still all Bush's fault to the left.

Again, grow up. The collapse of the housing bubble is not the fault of "trickle down economics" - that's a stupid, thoughtless line that gets trotted out time and time again by people in place of actually thinking. And if you want to believe that the economic policies of the last 30 years were terrible, then there's a good chance that A:) you weren't alive in the 1970s or B:) have no clue about history. (And those options are not mutually exclusive.)

Oh, and because someone has a better job now than before, I guess that means the economy is just great then! We can ignore all the actual data because someone's anecdote totally means something.

And again, this thread proves my point - the left can't think beyond bumper-sticker slogans. Why is there thread after thread after thread slagging on every inconsequential detail and every made-up pseudo-scandal involving Romney? Because if the discussion were about the issues, the left would lose. So instead it's got to be about constantly reinforcing the groupthink, constantly talking about how terrible and evil Romney is. Constantly talking about how "trickle down economics" doesn't work.

Remember, liberals use places like Fark like a drunk uses a lightpost - it's not about illumination, it's about support.


1. Whining about how liberals are all poopieheads won't get them to discuss issues with them. Neither will calling them socialists, nazis, terrorist sympathizers, nor lying on about the positions liberals tend to support. There are very few conservatives on this site who engage on a meaningful level; the rest are conspiracy theorists who think liberals are trying to destroy the country. You aren't one of them.

2. Your claim that Obama nationalized healthcare and your failure to compare the current economy with its trajectory when he took office is evidence that you aren't interested in facts at all - just another asshole parotting talking points.
 
2012-08-15 06:58:17 PM  
This is a failure of 0bama's leadership. He is unable to work with both sides and actually compromise.
"The Buck Stops Here" - something 0bama needs to learn and take responsibility. It isn't as if there was nothing he could do to prevent it...he had it in his power to prevent it and he did not.


That's odd because they were talking about the debt ceiling fiasco. Who caused that?
 
2012-08-15 06:59:36 PM  
tenpoundsofcheese

"The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon."

This is a failure of 0bama's leadership. He is unable to work with both sides and actually compromise.
"The Buck Stops Here" - something 0bama needs to learn and take responsibility. It isn't as if there was nothing he could do to prevent it...he had it in his power to prevent it and he did not.


ih2.redbubble.net
 
2012-08-15 07:01:33 PM  

Halli: This is a failure of 0bama's leadership. He is unable to work with both sides and actually compromise.
"The Buck Stops Here" - something 0bama needs to learn and take responsibility. It isn't as if there was nothing he could do to prevent it...he had it in his power to prevent it and he did not.

That's odd because they were talking about the debt ceiling fiasco. Who caused that?


Clearly it's Obama's fault that tea party morons refused to increase the debt ceiling so he could pay for the things Congress told him to buy.
 
2012-08-15 07:02:07 PM  
Haili: 0bama caused the debt ceiling fiasco. If he would have compromised, it would not have happened.

Oh, and if he would have put together a budget, any budget, even a bad one, when he controlled both the House and Senate, that would have helped too.


The whole "Buck Stops Here"

""The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

- More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

- Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon.
 
2012-08-15 07:06:18 PM  
Haili: 0bama caused the debt ceiling fiasco. If he would have compromised, it would not have happened.

Oh, and if he would have put together a budget, any budget, even a bad one, when he controlled both the House and Senate, that would have helped too.


I'm sorry are you insane? Didn't Boehner say they got 98% of what they wanted?

The GOP had people that wanted to default. They caused the fiasco that had been standard fare under every president until Obama.
 
2012-08-15 07:07:48 PM  
tenpounds, are you really admitting that congress was obstructionist? You better be careful or they will stop paying you to deflect the fact that the Republicans are actively trying to keep the unemployment rate up (remember a full percent from that number is due to public employee layoffs) and suppress the flow of capitol from the economy.
 
2012-08-15 07:17:34 PM  
Haili: 0bama caused the debt ceiling fiasco. If he would have compromised, it would not have happened.

Oh, and if he would have put together a budget, any budget, even a bad one, when he controlled both the House and Senate, that would have helped too.

I'm sorry are you insane?

No.

Didn't Boehner say they got 98% of what they wanted?

Did you expect him to tell his constituents "I didn't get what I wanted". Positioning how does that work?

You keep ignoring what S&P actually said, but go on.
It isn't as if 0bama was able to have his own farking budget (for how long??) even when he had majorities in the house and senate. Yeah, that had nothing to do with it.
 
2012-08-15 07:17:58 PM  
Keep going on this line, Mitt, maybe step it up some. This is a winner for you.

Because you totally don't come off as a whinging spoiled douche.
 
2012-08-15 07:21:38 PM  
The greatest torture you could submit a GOPer to is to gift them a brief moment where they realize how hard they are projecting their own faults onto everyone else. It would immediately devastate their egos.
 
2012-08-15 07:21:55 PM  
Didn't Boehner say they got 98% of what they wanted?

Did you expect him to tell his constituents "I didn't get what I wanted". Positioning how does that work?


So Boehner was lying when he said that? Is that really where you're going with this TPOC?

Talk about a fail.
 
2012-08-15 07:22:26 PM  
Coyo
tenpounds, are you really admitting that congress was obstructionist? You better be careful or they will stop paying you to deflect the fact that the Republicans are actively trying to keep the unemployment rate up (remember a full percent from that number is due to public employee layoffs) and suppress the flow of capitol from the economy.

OMG. Can you imagine that congress would not just roll over and do whatever the President wanted. That has never, ever happened before. It has also never happened that congress would ask the President to compromise on what they thought was important. What also has never compromised is that the President was unwilling to compromise, unable to create any budgets in his first two years, and was willing to roll the dice with the rating in order to later blame republicans.

0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.


Thanks for worrying about my being paid. Don't worry, that is secure. Especially after things last Friday.
 
2012-08-15 07:24:10 PM  

WombatControl: Isn't it funny how 8 years ago, 5% unemployment and 3% GDP growth was a sign that Bush was leading us into a "jobless recovery" and he was a terrible President and everything bad was his fault.

Now we have 8.2% unemployment, 1.5% economic growth, high gas prices, high food prices, and the labor force is at its lowest participation rate since the Great Depression - but that's a sign of how awesome President Obama is.


I'm sure that's baffling as all hell if you haven't got "a clue about history." 

/also, preview button! \o/
 
2012-08-15 07:24:11 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: The greatest torture you could submit a GOPer to is to gift them a brief moment where they realize how hard they are projecting their own faults onto everyone else. It would immediately devastate their egos.


Bbbbbbuuuu
 
2012-08-15 07:26:31 PM  
cchris_39: 1, Romney hasn't paid taxes in 10 years.
2. Romney kills unemployed poeple.
3. Ryan wants to push grandma over a cliff.
4. Republicans want to put you in chains.

Yeah, about that Potemkin village and people looking crazy....


Oooh, I love this game!

1: Obama wants to deny the military the right to vote
2: Obama wants to kill small business
3: Obama wants to put your grandmother in front of a death panel
4: Obama hates rich people
5: Obama hates white people
6: Obama is a secret muslim
7: Obama is a secret atheist
8: Obama wasn't born in the US
9: Obama wants to destroy capitalism and install a socialist state
10: Obama led a federal takeover of healthcare
11: Obama's gonna take your guns

BONUS ROUND!
12: John Kerry didn't earn his purple heart
13: Al Gore claims to have invented the internet
14: Bill Clinton killed Vince Foster
 
2012-08-15 07:28:14 PM  
A dumb moron once said: What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

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2012-08-15 07:29:25 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.


And by compromised, you really mean cave to the GOP's demands right?
 
2012-08-15 07:29:37 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Coyo
tenpounds, are you really admitting that congress was obstructionist? You better be careful or they will stop paying you to deflect the fact that the Republicans are actively trying to keep the unemployment rate up (remember a full percent from that number is due to public employee layoffs) and suppress the flow of capitol from the economy.

OMG. Can you imagine that congress would not just roll over and do whatever the President wanted. That has never, ever happened before. It has also never happened that congress would ask the President to compromise on what they thought was important. What also has never compromised is that the President was unwilling to compromise, unable to create any budgets in his first two years, and was willing to roll the dice with the rating in order to later blame republicans.

0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.


Thanks for worrying about my being paid. Don't worry, that is secure. Especially after things last Friday.



Which side are you really working for? I'm amused. Nice lie about the President being unwilling to compromise with B0hner. It was the tea party who would move a single inch. Not even B0hner could control them.
 
2012-08-15 07:31:05 PM  

HeartBurnKid: cchris_39: 1, Romney hasn't paid taxes in 10 years.

14: Bill Clinton killed Vince Foster


Bill Clinton didn't kill vince Foster. But he did kill those kids who caught them smuggling in drugs in Arkansas.
 
2012-08-15 07:31:25 PM  

WombatControl: And again, this thread proves my point - the left can't think beyond bumper-sticker slogans.


The fact you don't get the irony in this statement makes me very very sad.

DON'T TREAD ON ME!
DRILL BABY DRILL!
TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY!
TERM LIMITS!
FREE MARKETS!
CROSS-BORDER COMPETITION!
TORT REFORM!
 
2012-08-15 07:31:44 PM  
This argument over who caused the debt ceiling standoff last summer is ridiculous. Raising the debt ceiling was a standard vote that went through multiple times previously. Suddenly Obama gets elected, a certain segment of the electorate goes bonkers, and the 2010 elections sweep in a bunch of 'reformers' wanting to 'take the country back'. They won't go for anything that includes 'additional revenue'. Not even a marginal tax bump on the 1% that have benefited the most from the last thirty years of tax cuts or bust policies. These people are disgusting and traitors. Compromise? Absolutely not.

I'm happy to be on the opposite side of the political aisle of:

Koch Brothers
Donald Trump
Sheldon Adelson
Ted Nugent
Michelle Bachmann
Karl Rove
Dick Cheney
Big Pharma
Big Oil
Idiots who cheer for the notion of letting an uninsured person die
Idiots who boo an American serving in the military who happens to be gay
Rush Limbaugh
Ann Coulter
Idiots who want the government out of their Medicare
Idiots who idolize Ayn Rand
Idiots who believe in 'personhood'
Idiots who believe that President Obama is a 'sekrit moozlin borned in Kenya'
Idiots who think it's ok to scream 'Jobs!Jobs!Jobs!' and then spend 80% of their time fighting against women's health issues
Idiots who think Romney and Ryan are fighting for the middle class

/Is this a great country or what?
 
2012-08-15 07:33:03 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Coyo
tenpounds, are you really admitting that congress was obstructionist? You better be careful or they will stop paying you to deflect the fact that the Republicans are actively trying to keep the unemployment rate up (remember a full percent from that number is due to public employee layoffs) and suppress the flow of capitol from the economy.

OMG. Can you imagine that congress would not just roll over and do whatever the President wanted. That has never, ever happened before. It has also never happened that congress would ask the President to compromise on what they thought was important. What also has never compromised is that the President was unwilling to compromise, unable to create any budgets in his first two years, and was willing to roll the dice with the rating in order to later blame republicans.

0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.


Thanks for worrying about my being paid. Don't worry, that is secure. Especially after things last Friday.


Wait Obama had %100 control of congress and gets to make his own budgets? 

When was this? When did the role of president change? I know I am Canadian but I think that is not the way your govenment works.

Any experts want to chime in?
 
2012-08-15 07:41:02 PM  

emotion_lotion: 0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.


Thanks for worrying about my being paid. Don't worry, that is secure. Especially after things last Friday.

Wait Obama had %100 control of congress and gets to make his own budgets? 

When was this? When did the role of president change? I know I am Canadian but I think that is not the way your govenment works.


well, since you are Canadian, I will bold some words and try to use small words for you.

0bama was unwilling to compromise. If he did and if he had been a leader and worked with his own party to pass budgets, it would have been fine.

Too busy campaigning (even back then) and playing golf, I guess.
 
2012-08-15 07:42:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.

And by compromised, you really mean cave to the GOP's demands right?


Well, if he is that incompetent a politician and negotiator, then yes, he would need to cave. I thought you thought he was smart and a great politician?
 
2012-08-15 07:43:02 PM  
Romney keeps railing about how Obama has no plan, no answers, but really, Romney's got even less. Much less, not enough to even formulate a plan based on a fairly comprehensive plan his own VP pick has created. Obama's actually gotten stuff done that will ultimately do some good. Romney seems to just be making the case that he's not Obama.

Hell, when asked about how he would handle a particular hypothetical situation, he answered something like, "I'd look at what Obama did, then do the opposite of that." That's the plan? Really?

Apparently that flies pretty well with the pointy hat crowd.
 
2012-08-15 07:43:19 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: well, since you are Canadian, I will bold some words and try to use small words for you.

0bama was unwilling to compromise. If he did and if he had been a leader and worked with his own party to pass budgets, it would have been fine.

Too busy campaigning (even back then) and playing golf, I guess.


The budget had been passed moran. That's not that the debt ceiling was about.
 
2012-08-15 07:45:31 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama was unwilling to compromise. If he did and if he had been a leader and worked with his own party to pass budgets, If he would've just caved in to everything the GOP wanted regardless of how outlandish and unrealistic it was... it would have been fine.


FTFY
 
2012-08-15 07:46:29 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.

And by compromised, you really mean cave to the GOP's demands right?

Well, if he is that incompetent a politician and negotiator, then yes, he would need to cave. I thought you thought he was smart and a great politician?


So by being a great politician, you need to cave to your opposition?

Hmm...Worked for Reagan right? ;)
 
2012-08-15 07:49:04 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.

And by compromised, you really mean cave to the GOP's demands right?

Well, if he is that incompetent a politician and negotiator, then yes, he would need to cave. I thought you thought he was smart and a great politician?



Cave in to disastrous GOP demands that would harm the country? No thanks.
 
2012-08-15 07:49:53 PM  

WombatControl: And then you lost when the American people rejected them. And now your hero is going to lose too.

I'd say that would wake you up to reality, but I've been around long enough to know that liberals are liberals because they refuse to acknowledge reality.


God, I love people like this. It's always awesome to hear from someone convinced that there are two groups of people - "liberals" (who are exactly the same as socialist Marxist communist Maoist Stalinists), and "The American People," who love apple pie, Chevy trucks, and the American flag, God bless 'em!

You all get that? Liberals aren't American. LIBERALS AREN'T AMERICAN. They're all exactly the same and none of them have anything in common whatsoever with Americans. Technically, they're foreigners with their strange and different views that cleave more thoroughly to those weird European forms of socialism. Why, we only allow them to remain in this country because we're such nice people, not because they're American citizens or anything.

I keep wondering what happens when one of these people who claims to speak for "the American people" runs into an American person who is in favor of gay marriage, socialized medicine, the Department of Education, more public spending on infrastructure, and Barack Obama. Do they just scream and point, or do their heads explode?
 
2012-08-15 07:49:56 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: emotion_lotion: 0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.


Thanks for worrying about my being paid. Don't worry, that is secure. Especially after things last Friday.

Wait Obama had %100 control of congress and gets to make his own budgets? 

When was this? When did the role of president change? I know I am Canadian but I think that is not the way your govenment works.

well, since you are Canadian, I will bold some words and try to use small words for you.

0bama was unwilling to compromise. If he did and if he had been a leader and worked with his own party to pass budgets, it would have been fine.

Too busy campaigning (even back then) and playing golf, I guess.


Oh ya I forgot about all those articles I read stating the S&P down graded the US due to President Obama's unwillingness to compromise.
 
2012-08-15 07:52:54 PM  

EnviroDude: Reps shot the credit rating to screw the POTUS? How about the out of control spending that was going on at the time by the White House. This is why Obama will not run on his record. It stinks!


Out of control spending on what? Please be specific, we will wait...*crickets*

Oh, you mean the out of control spending from the two mismanaged Bush wars being put back on the books and the 700 billion in loss revenue due to idiotic taxcuts?
 
2012-08-15 07:55:09 PM  

peasandcarrots: WombatControl: And then you lost when the American people rejected them. And now your hero is going to lose too.

I'd say that would wake you up to reality, but I've been around long enough to know that liberals are liberals because they refuse to acknowledge reality.

God, I love people like this. It's always awesome to hear from someone convinced that there are two groups of people - "liberals" (who are exactly the same as socialist Marxist communist Maoist Stalinists), and "The American People," who love apple pie, Chevy trucks, and the American flag, God bless 'em!

You all get that? Liberals aren't American. LIBERALS AREN'T AMERICAN. They're all exactly the same and none of them have anything in common whatsoever with Americans. Technically, they're foreigners with their strange and different views that cleave more thoroughly to those weird European forms of socialism. Why, we only allow them to remain in this country because we're such nice people, not because they're American citizens or anything.

I keep wondering what happens when one of these people who claims to speak for "the American people" runs into an American person who is in favor of gay marriage, socialized medicine, the Department of Education, more public spending on infrastructure, and Barack Obama. Do they just scream and point, or do their heads explode?


That would assume they shambled from their lazyboy to their hoveround long enough to get outside and meet anybody. The only time that happens is when they are heading to the mailbox to get their disability checks.
 
2012-08-15 07:57:46 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Well, if he is that incompetent a politician and negotiator, then yes, he would need to cave. I thought you thought he was smart and a great politician?

So by being a great politician, you need to cave to your opposition?

Hmm...Worked for Reagan right? ;)


Yes.
"He also noted that Reagan wasn't opposed to legislative compromises, getting spending cuts when he could. "He was a practical person," Cannon said. "He would say, let's take some this year and come back next year and take some more."

If he was facing a $15,000,000,000,000 debt I think his actions may have been a bit different than when he face a debt 5 times smaller than that.
 
2012-08-15 07:58:06 PM  

Antimatter: Why do people always say the president's spending is out of control? The President doesn't get to decide how much is spent, congress does. Obama just writes the checks to the amounts they tell him to.


You shush, with your facts and reality.
 
2012-08-15 07:58:47 PM  
Well, we didn't need any more evidence that you can't believe a word Romney says, but we have it anyway.
 
2012-08-15 07:59:08 PM  

coyo: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.

And by compromised, you really mean cave to the GOP's demands right?

Well, if he is that incompetent a politician and negotiator, then yes, he would need to cave. I thought you thought he was smart and a great politician?


Cave in to disastrous GOP demands that would harm the country? No thanks.


so you were okay with the downgrade.
well, so was 0bama, so if you want to whine about the downgrade, blame 0bama.
 
2012-08-15 08:00:28 PM  

emotion_lotion: tenpoundsofcheese: emotion_lotion: 0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.


Thanks for worrying about my being paid. Don't worry, that is secure. Especially after things last Friday.

Wait Obama had %100 control of congress and gets to make his own budgets? 

When was this? When did the role of president change? I know I am Canadian but I think that is not the way your govenment works.

well, since you are Canadian, I will bold some words and try to use small words for you.

0bama was unwilling to compromise. If he did and if he had been a leader and worked with his own party to pass budgets, it would have been fine.

Too busy campaigning (even back then) and playing golf, I guess.

Oh ya I forgot about all those articles I read stating the S&P down graded the US due to President Obama's unwillingness to compromise.


You do understand that the entire world knows that it was the Rebuplican congress that was unwilling to compromise right?
 
2012-08-15 08:00:39 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: so you were okay with the downgrade.
well, so was 0bama, so if you want to whine about the downgrade, blame 0bama.


No I think people will blame the GOP just S&P did.
 
2012-08-15 08:01:48 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: coyo: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama had 100% control. He could have created his own budgets and compromised on the negotiations, voila No rating downgrade.

And by compromised, you really mean cave to the GOP's demands right?

Well, if he is that incompetent a politician and negotiator, then yes, he would need to cave. I thought you thought he was smart and a great politician?


Cave in to disastrous GOP demands that would harm the country? No thanks.

so you were okay with the downgrade.
well, so was 0bama, so if you want to whine about the downgrade, blame 0bama.



I put the blame for the downgrade 100% on Congress.
 
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