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2012-08-15 10:49:36 AM
If you actually have to explain that you're in charge of your campaign and your VP isn't, you're doing it very, very wrong.
 
2012-08-15 11:04:19 AM

Aarontology: If you actually have to explain that you're in charge of your campaign and your VP isn't, you're doing it very, very wrong.


Or you're hoping the confusion plays well.
 
2012-08-15 11:36:40 AM
Paul Ryan didn't have a campaign to join
 
2012-08-15 11:37:36 AM
Any Rand will be in charge of the Senate procedures and gets a tie breaking vote.....total corporate fascism here we come.
 
2012-08-15 11:38:22 AM

Aarontology: If you actually have to explain that you're in charge of your campaign and your VP isn't, you're doing it very, very wrong.


Doesn't that give credibility to the whole Grover Norquist/'The Nominee is a rubber stamp and nothing more' line? This is almost in 'I'm not a witch' territory.
 
2012-08-15 11:40:20 AM
This would be like announcing Ghandi is your VP, but that doesn't mean your campaign is dedicated to world peace
 
2012-08-15 11:40:26 AM
10% of America is crazy
The election is close enough I need the crazy vote to tip the scales
Therefore I chose crazy dude for my VEEP
But don't confuse crazy dude with me

/quite reasonable
//like Obama choosing Biden to prove he liked blowing up brown people
 
2012-08-15 11:43:21 AM
Rmoney is going off track, big time. If he's this flustered and were not even at the convention, he'll be in full self destruct mode by October.

Thats the problem with running a Romneybot, Obama found his self destruct button.

:popcorntime:
 
2012-08-15 11:43:43 AM

Aarontology: If you actually have to explain that you're in charge of your campaign and your VP isn't, you're doing it very, very wrong.


No. The point is that Ryan plan has had a lot of news and discussion. The headline is the point - that Ryan will fall in line on Medicare and Romney's ideas. A polite way of saying stop talking about the Ryan plan....we will work together on my plan.
 
2012-08-15 11:43:44 AM
I still don't understand why you would want to choose Ryan.

The budget can't possibly begin to be a good idea to run on...so you would be forced to defend or deflect the criticism (most easily done by providing your own budget). But, Romney has spent the entire campaign attacking Obama and avoiding any specific policy stances other than "not what Obama stands for".

Now, he's going to spend the next couple weeks pointing out "not ryan's budget, but I don't have one yet".

Brilliant.
 
2012-08-15 11:43:48 AM

Aarontology: If you actually have to explain that you're in charge of your campaign and your VP isn't, you're doing it very, very wrong.


I'm half surprised we haven't seen the idolization of Ryan yet like Palin got in 2008. Then again, that might be a good thing: where Palin was touted on sex appeal and downright ignorance, Ryan doesn't have her same pull. If anything, Ryan is just popular because it's another bone thrown to the Base. And the Base takes anything it can get.

The fact that Romney has to assert his dominance over this shows two things: that he's learned one thing from the McCain campaign, and that he's insecure to the point of having to oneup his VP pick so he becomes the center of attention again.

With every new day, the reasons the Republicans chose Romney become greater. And he was the 'sane' one. Figure that out.
 
2012-08-15 11:43:49 AM
Ryan was an odd choice because of the medicare thing, you could probably gotten the teabaggers to the polls without using Ryan.
 
2012-08-15 11:44:42 AM
FTA:

"Ryan's budget incorporates the $700 billion in savings achieved under Obamacare, which come from eliminating subsidies to insurance companies, cutting waste and fraud, and reforming delivery systems that will help keep seniors healthy," said Obama campaign spokesperson Lis Smith, in a press release following a "60 Minutes" interview with Romney and Ryan.

Asked about the Ryan budget's proposed Medicare cuts, Romney on Wednesday suggested that the Wisconsin Republican would fall into line to support a plan that excluded such reductions.

"The president's cuts of $716 billion to Medicare, those cuts are going to be restored if I become president and Paul Ryan becomes vice president," he said.


So Romney is now on record as being for fraud and waste as well as increased subsidies to insurance companies. Good to know.
 
2012-08-15 11:44:57 AM
They want him to be president and there's no way in hell they're going to blame him if Romney loses. Romney is tainted by his Taxachusetts past, his pro-life wobbliness, his Mormonism and his overall weirdness. He is rich, but he isn't a member of this rarefied club that runs the Republican Party. They're all rich too, of course, with more money than they can possible spend. But they are also hardcore wingnut true believers. And Ryan is their creation. Link
 
2012-08-15 11:45:08 AM
It sure didn't take long for internal discord to manifest itself in the Romney/Ryan ticket. To know Mitt Romney is to loathe him, and the same goes for Ryan no doubt. The best part will be watching each of them cast veiled blame on the other when they lose come November.
 
2012-08-15 11:45:10 AM
Did Romney just admit that they asked a bunch of people to be VP, and Ryan is the only one who said "Eh, I got nothing better to do?"
 
2012-08-15 11:45:36 AM
"Congressman Ryan has joined my campaign, and his campaign is my campaign now," the presumptive Republican presidential candidate told "CBS This Morning." "We're on exactly the same page."

Is this your way of telling us Paul Ryan has been assimilated?

www.newsrealblog.com

Why exactly did you choose him then? When I hire people it is in the hopes they will add something, not just fall in line and agree to everything I say.
 
2012-08-15 11:46:30 AM

qorkfiend: Did Romney just admit that they asked a bunch of people to be VP, and Ryan is the only one who said "Eh, I got nothing better to do?"


He wanted more national exposure. I think Paul Ryan is setting up for a POTUS run in an upcoming election cycle.
 
2012-08-15 11:46:49 AM

lennavan: "Congressman Ryan has joined my campaign, and his campaign is my campaign now," the presumptive Republican presidential candidate told "CBS This Morning." "We're on exactly the same page."

Is this your way of telling us Paul Ryan has been assimilated?

[www.newsrealblog.com image 475x315]

Why exactly did you choose him then? When I hire people it is in the hopes they will add something, not just fall in line and agree to everything I say.


We will add your political and financial distinctiveness to ours.
 
2012-08-15 11:47:53 AM

Aarontology: If you actually have to explain that you're in charge of your campaign and your VP isn't, you're doing it very, very wrong.


The honeymoon is already over. Now the're into the passive agressive "leave the new roll of toilet paper out but don't put it on the roll" stage of the relationship.
 
2012-08-15 11:49:06 AM

lennavan: qorkfiend: Did Romney just admit that they asked a bunch of people to be VP, and Ryan is the only one who said "Eh, I got nothing better to do?"

He wanted more national exposure. I think Paul Ryan is setting up for a POTUS run in an upcoming election cycle.


It's possible. He certainly won't drag the ticket enough to damage his chances.
 
2012-08-15 11:49:08 AM
I like the ads on Fark proclaiming Romney's 'Great Comeback'. This crybaby already knows he's losing. Nothing will change this.
 
2012-08-15 11:51:26 AM

lennavan: He wanted more national exposure. I think Paul Ryan is setting up for a POTUS run in an upcoming election cycle.


I'm guessing 2020 or 2024. He's probably trying to parlay this into a run for Governor or Senate first and then a run for the Presidency. In 2024 he'd still only be 55 and the sting of this election will have worn off.
 
2012-08-15 11:51:57 AM

TyrantII: Rmoney is going off track, big time. If he's this flustered and were not even at the convention, he'll be in full self destruct mode by October.

Thats the problem with running a Romneybot, Obama found his self destruct button.

:popcorntime:


encrypted-tbn3.google.com

You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie, but you lie... You tell the truth but you cannot for you lie... illogical! Illogical! Please explain!
 
2012-08-15 11:52:09 AM
It seems like Mitt is just now realizing that the GOP picked Ryan to be on this ticket to season him up for 2016, not to do anything at all to help in 2012.

Poor Mittens. It's gotta STING to realize there's something you can't buy.
 
2012-08-15 11:54:13 AM
Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

--George Orwell
 
2012-08-15 11:54:46 AM

redmid17: Paul Ryan didn't have a campaign to join


Not true -- he joined the not-Obama campaign.
 
2012-08-15 11:56:19 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Aarontology: If you actually have to explain that you're in charge of your campaign and your VP isn't, you're doing it very, very wrong.

No. The point is that Ryan plan has had a lot of news and discussion. The headline is the point - that Ryan will fall in line on Medicare and Romney's ideas. A polite way of saying stop talking about the Ryan plan....we will work together on my plan.


And what plan is that, exactly?

Romney refuses to detail anything about his actual stand on any issue.

What is it that you're even shilling for? Tell me one Romney policy that you'd like to defend, tenpoundsofderp.

You can't, because Romney hasn't actually stated any farking policy positions. None. Nada. Zilch. His only policy is that he wants to be President.
 
2012-08-15 11:59:04 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: lennavan: He wanted more national exposure. I think Paul Ryan is setting up for a POTUS run in an upcoming election cycle.

I'm guessing 2020 or 2024. He's probably trying to parlay this into a run for Governor or Senate first and then a run for the Presidency. In 2024 he'd still only be 55 and the sting of this election will have worn off.


Why would he risk trying to stay in politics that long? Or, in national politics.

I mean, that's just asking for a scandal to be caught up in besides the fact that there would be so many defined positions that he'd get caught walking back formerly held ideas.

Ignoring the idea that another person could rise from nowhere or a change in political climate marginalizing the tea party or hard right...it'd be really tiring (and expensive) to keep your name on the national stage.

I'd think 2016 is his shot.
 
2012-08-15 11:59:59 AM

Arkanaut: redmid17: Paul Ryan didn't have a campaign to join

Not true -- he joined the not-Obama campaign.


Also not true, he joined the going-to-lose-to-Obama campaign.
 
2012-08-15 12:00:51 PM

bulldg4life: I still don't understand why you would want to choose Ryan.

The budget can't possibly begin to be a good idea to run on...so you would be forced to defend or deflect the criticism (most easily done by providing your own budget). But, Romney has spent the entire campaign attacking Obama and avoiding any specific policy stances other than "not what Obama stands for".

Now, he's going to spend the next couple weeks pointing out "not ryan's budget, but I don't have one yet".

Brilliant.


I believe the answer you're looking for is, "Because Romney is a farking horrible candidate who hasn't a farking clue how to run a campaign for President despite having done so for nearly 7 straight years. He's never had to listen to underlings before so why the fark start now? 'You don't want me to pick Ryan? Well fark you!'"

Watching this jagoff lose his shiat over the next three months is going to be amazing. The uber rich seldom leave their bubbles and subject themselves to the press or questions from the common folk. And it's for this very farking reason.
 
2012-08-15 12:02:06 PM
I'm failing to see the point of this.

Other, perhaps, than another opportunity to bash on Romney and Ryan. We did need more of those.
 
2012-08-15 12:04:32 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: A polite way of saying stop talking about the Ryan plan....we will work together on my plan.


Sure why not? We can't talk about Mitt Romney's signature legislation as Governor, why should Ryan's signature legislation attempt even be on the table?

In fact, it's rude to look at the record of anything these men have said or done at any point in their lives.

Hey, did you hear the bombshell about Michelle Obama's law school essay advocating affirmative action? I think that's really going to be a factor in this election.
 
2012-08-15 12:05:49 PM

Trapper439: tenpoundsofcheese: Aarontology: If you actually have to explain that you're in charge of your campaign and your VP isn't, you're doing it very, very wrong.

No. The point is that Ryan plan has had a lot of news and discussion. The headline is the point - that Ryan will fall in line on Medicare and Romney's ideas. A polite way of saying stop talking about the Ryan plan....we will work together on my plan.

And what plan is that, exactly?

Romney refuses to detail anything about his actual stand on any issue.

What is it that you're even shilling for? Tell me one Romney policy that you'd like to defend, tenpoundsofderp.

You can't, because Romney hasn't actually stated any farking policy positions. None. Nada. Zilch. His only policy is that he wants to be President.


not obama

but seriously, the focus is on the ryan plan because it is the only plan put forward by the romney/ryan team. If they were to come out with drafted legislation, then the ryan plan would go away. until then STFU and GBTW
 
2012-08-15 12:09:02 PM

Cletus C.: I'm failing to see the point of this.

Other, perhaps, than another opportunity to bash on Romney and Ryan. We did need more of those.


The point? here we are, two weeks from the convention, and Romney STILL cant't tell you what he wants to do as President with any specificity. And further, when some who HAS proposed very specific things joins his campaign, the man says that he agrees with some of those ideas, but not others and can't really say which.

Obama could just run Romney's own prevarications and beat him.

Asked for specific examples of how Romney's budget differed from Ryan's proposal, Romney reiterated that the two are on the "same page" but noted that under his plan, "I'd get us to a balanced budget faster than the plan [Ryan] originally put forward" and that Ryan's proposed highest tax rate, at 25 percent, is lower than that of Romney, which is 28 percent.

"There are some differences, but they're very similar," he said.
 
2012-08-15 12:10:43 PM

lennavan: "Congressman Ryan has joined my campaign, and his campaign is my campaign now," the presumptive Republican presidential candidate told "CBS This Morning." "We're on exactly the same page."

Is this your way of telling us Paul Ryan has been assimilated?

[www.newsrealblog.com image 475x315]

Why exactly did you choose him then? When I hire people it is in the hopes they will add something, not just fall in line and agree to everything I say.


That's what some CEOs do. They surround themselves with men they know will agree with them. The alpha doesn't want to introduce someone that will replace him. Not every executive has a Clarence Boddicker in his back pocket to take care of young upstarts.
 
mhd
2012-08-15 12:15:15 PM
So in Game Change 2, who will be playing Romney/Rand?
 
2012-08-15 12:16:38 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: where Palin was touted on sex appeal and downright ignorance, Ryan doesn't have her same pull. If anything, Ryan is just popular because it's another bone thrown to the Base.


There's been a subtle but disturbing trend to cast Ryan in the "yummy guy" role amongst the right-wingers here. I don't get it.
 
2012-08-15 12:16:59 PM

Paul Baumer: and Romney STILL cant't tell you what he wants to do as President with any specificity


At this point I'd settle for him saying WHY he wants to be President.

Because I have to tell you, I don't see or hear ANYTHING from the guy that indicates he wants to be President. I don't recall a more joyless candidate. I don't know if their internal numbers show them to be totally farked and he's just being human (for once) and realizing he's going to burn the next three months of his life for nothing or what. But there's nothing at all from this guy that indicates he wants to be doing this.

So I see your point about his lack of details surrounding what he'd do if he won, but I just can't get back to the fact he doesn't conduct himself as someone that wants to win.
 
2012-08-15 12:17:55 PM

Shrugging Atlas: I believe the answer you're looking for is, "Because Romney is a farking horrible candidate who hasn't a farking clue how to run a campaign for President despite having done so for nearly 7 straight years. He's never had to listen to underlings before so why the fark start now? 'You don't want me to pick Ryan? Well fark you!'"

Watching this jagoff lose his shiat over the next three months is going to be amazing. The uber rich seldom leave their bubbles and subject themselves to the press or questions from the common folk. And it's for this very farking reason.


On the bright side, it will give us a very public example of how to counter the uber-rich. Apparently they do believe in subjective reality to the point where they think that assertive behavior is enough to change the fabric of reality. I wonder what comes next to this. I truly believe we're going to see some weird shiat coming up soon, and I somehow think that we might be in store for a VP change come the end of September just for the sheer hell of it.
 
2012-08-15 12:21:02 PM

Shrugging Atlas:
So I see your point about his lack of details surrounding what he'd do if he won, but I just can't get back to the fact he doesn't conduct himself as someone that wants to win.


I think he's, rightly, assuming that the undecideds aren't really going to start paying attention until October. Then we'll get to hear the real plaintive desperation come out.


I do not wear panties, I have never worn panties
but if called upon, panties I will wear
Big white house panties or small delicate European briefs
 
2012-08-15 12:22:27 PM

theorellior: Guntram Shatterhand: where Palin was touted on sex appeal and downright ignorance, Ryan doesn't have her same pull. If anything, Ryan is just popular because it's another bone thrown to the Base.

There's been a subtle but disturbing trend to cast Ryan in the "yummy guy" role amongst the right-wingers here. I don't get it.


Because some (really not smart) folks are convinced that Obama's relative youth and looks created a sex-appeal gap with gals....errr "women".... that Ryan can mitigate, as well as partly downplay the GOP as the party of teh olds.
 
2012-08-15 12:22:56 PM
I'm going to try and make this as clear as possible.

Romneys budget plan is similar to Ryans EXCEPT where it's different.
Romneys budget plan is different from Ryans EXCEPT where it's similar.
 
2012-08-15 12:23:12 PM
Romney basically acquired Paul Ryan in an all cash deal and is try to reconfigure those resources to get more profit (votes).

At some point I expect to see Romney loading Paul Ryan down with more debt and then breaking off pieces of Paul Ryan and selling them off while collecting a management fee.

It's the Romney way.
 
2012-08-15 12:27:53 PM
Ryan v. Clinton, 2016. Boom-shaka-laka.
 
2012-08-15 12:28:35 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: I'm going to try and make this as clear as possible.

Romneys budget plan is similar to Ryans EXCEPT where it's different.
Romneys budget plan is different from Ryans EXCEPT where it's similar.


The act of observing Romney's budget plan alters the plan in accordance with the preferences of the observer.
 
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2012-08-15 12:28:56 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Aarontology: If you actually have to explain that you're in charge of your campaign and your VP isn't, you're doing it very, very wrong.

No. The point is that Ryan plan has had a lot of news and discussion. The headline is the point - that Ryan will fall in line on Medicare and Romney's ideas. A polite way of saying stop talking about the Ryan plan....we will work together on my plan.


Why is Romney having to make that point?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 12:30:46 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: Aarontology: If you actually have to explain that you're in charge of your campaign and your VP isn't, you're doing it very, very wrong.

I'm half surprised we haven't seen the idolization of Ryan yet like Palin got in 2008. Then again, that might be a good thing: where Palin was touted on sex appeal and downright ignorance, Ryan doesn't have her same pull. If anything, Ryan is just popular because it's another bone thrown to the Base. And the Base takes anything it can get.

The fact that Romney has to assert his dominance over this shows two things: that he's learned one thing from the McCain campaign, and that he's insecure to the point of having to oneup his VP pick so he becomes the center of attention again.

With every new day, the reasons the Republicans chose Romney become greater. And he was the 'sane' one. Figure that out.


Plain appealed to white trash. They love her because she is one of them. Ryan doesn't have anything like that.
 
2012-08-15 12:31:15 PM

redmid17: Paul Ryan didn't have a campaign to join


Nobody else wanted the spot.
//well, except Skinnyhead
 
2012-08-15 12:34:29 PM

theorellior: Guntram Shatterhand: where Palin was touted on sex appeal and downright ignorance, Ryan doesn't have her same pull. If anything, Ryan is just popular because it's another bone thrown to the Base.

There's been a subtle but disturbing trend to cast Ryan in the "yummy guy" role amongst the right-wingers here. I don't get it.


I'd really like to make a "Get out of the closet" joke about Republicans, but that would be a low blow and completely uncalled for.
 
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