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(NBC News)   Ann Romney: We're not hiding anything, but you can't see our tax returns because you'd use them against us. So technically, we're hiding those, I suppose, but that's it   (rockcenter.nbcnews.com) divider line 329
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2012-08-15 11:33:56 AM
Like a birth certificate?
 
2012-08-15 11:36:01 AM
For some reason I really dont like this woman.
 
2012-08-15 11:42:27 AM
Has Mitt even released one full year yet?

I get the feeling that his 2009 return is a steaming pile of outrage.
 
2012-08-15 11:47:33 AM
Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?

Gonna send her to "get tough with China" too, Mitt?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 11:48:03 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Has Mitt even released one full year yet?

I get the feeling that his 2009 return is a steaming pile of outrage.


No he says that he released two years because he has promised to release 2011 in October.
 
2012-08-15 11:50:08 AM
When Romney ran for Gov of MA he refused to release taxes, despite accusations that MA was not his residency. He literally kept saying "you'll have to take my word for it." When the board of elections finally verified his residency, he got caught lying. He had to "retroactively" update his tax records.

He's literally said "you'll have to take my word" on his taxes in the past, all while lying through his teeth. Why should we trust him again?
 
2012-08-15 11:51:30 AM
Shut the fark up, lady.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 11:53:43 AM
Well, she's honest anyway.
 
2012-08-15 11:54:25 AM
Ann Romney: We're not hiding anything, but you people can't see our tax returns because you'd use them against us.
 
2012-08-15 11:58:04 AM
They've had a year to get out in front of any issues with the tax returns. What's in there MUST be a doozy.
 
2012-08-15 12:00:49 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Has Mitt even released one full year yet?

I get the feeling that his 2009 return is a steaming pile of outrage.


Pretty sad that his VP is willing to release more than he is, even if it's only a measly 2 years' worth.
 
2012-08-15 12:01:02 PM

SurfaceTension: They've had a year to get out in front of any issues with the tax returns. What's in there MUST be a doozy.


No, they've had since 2002 when this was an issue for his election for Governor.
At a minimum, they've had since 2007, when Mitt started running for President.
 
2012-08-15 12:03:07 PM

Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?


So when you question why the tax returns aren't being released, you're accused of attacking the honor of the candidate's wife.
 
2012-08-15 12:03:38 PM

SurfaceTension: They've had a year to get out in front of any issues with the tax returns. What's in there MUST be a doozy.


Six years. Romney's been trying to be president for six years. And he ran for public office twice before that. He must be doing something that is both terrible and is a compulsion he can't control. Maybe he claims cocaine as a business expense or something.
 
2012-08-15 12:10:10 PM

Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?

Gonna send her to "get tough with China" too, Mitt?


Because they mistakenly believe that she connects better with "the little people" than Mitt ever could.
 
2012-08-15 12:11:47 PM

odinsposse: SurfaceTension: They've had a year to get out in front of any issues with the tax returns. What's in there MUST be a doozy.

Six years. Romney's been trying to be president for six years. And he ran for public office twice before that. He must be doing something that is both terrible and is a compulsion he can't control. Maybe he claims cocaine as a business expense or something.


I do. I file it under 'transportation'.
 
2012-08-15 12:15:40 PM

Mentat: Like a birth certificate?


Stale.
 
2012-08-15 12:16:09 PM

Coco LaFemme: Shut the fark up, lady.


I was just thinking that.
 
2012-08-15 12:21:05 PM
That's it! I am getting a Three Corner Hat and poorly spelled sign and starting a protest movement! Perhaps something connected to the American Revolution.

Join the Boston Massacre Party!
Whar, tax returns, whar!?
 
2012-08-15 12:27:10 PM
We won't release our tax returns and we won't tell you the specifics of our tax policy until after the election. So vote for us.
 
2012-08-15 12:33:46 PM
The fact that he showed McCain so many tax returns to cross the threshold of being a VP candidate, and won't release the same to the electorate, simply doesn't pass the smell test.
 
2012-08-15 12:34:38 PM

SurfaceTension: They've had a year to get out in front of any issues with the tax returns. What's in there MUST be a doozy.


It would wreck'em and they know it. And it's not some complicated accounting thing, it's something so simple anyone could understand and most would be pissed about, something that would cause a swing voter to say, "Oh, fnck you."

Like a year of paying no income tax on millions.
 
2012-08-15 12:43:34 PM
The problem is . . . now that Romney's repeatedly refused to release his taxes, at some point something will leak, and it'll be an even larger scandal than if he'd made them public himself because he'll have been trying to hide it.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 12:50:33 PM

SphericalTime: The problem is . . . now that Romney's repeatedly refused to release his taxes, at some point something will leak, and it'll be an even larger scandal than if he'd made them public himself because he'll have been trying to hide it.


Especially in the unlikely even that he gets elected. Can you imagine the scandal that would cause? It would be like Edwards being president when his scandal broke, but worse. Especially if Romney avoided prosecution for tax evasion by taking the 2009 amnesty.
 
2012-08-15 01:12:47 PM

DeltaPunch: He's literally said "you'll have to take my word" on his taxes in the past, all while lying through his teeth. Why should we trust him again?


He says that he's not Obama, but now I'm not so sure.
 
2012-08-15 01:14:43 PM
"We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us"

What the hell does that even mean.
 
2012-08-15 01:21:01 PM

DamnYankees: "We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us"

What the hell does that even mean.


"If you want to see any more get a warrant."
 
2012-08-15 01:22:01 PM
MITT ROMNEY: DOING WHAT IS LEGALLY REQUIRED.
 
2012-08-15 01:23:28 PM

Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?


"I'd like to release our tax returns, but my wife says we shouldn't, and a man has to respect his wife's opinion. So you're attacking my wife now? How dare you, sir. How dare you."
 
2012-08-15 01:25:53 PM
godwillbegod.files.wordpress.com

No, no ,no! Dig up stupid!
 
2012-08-15 01:26:07 PM
We can see Romney's tax returns as soon as Obama releases his 7th grade field trip permission slip.
 
2012-08-15 01:29:54 PM
Does anyone else think that Romney is a farking asshole just for dragging that wife of his who has a condition that is known to be aggravated by stress into the world of a Presidential election? I couldn't imagine doing that to a woman I Ioved.
 
2012-08-15 01:31:01 PM

vernonFL: We can see Romney's tax returns as soon as Obama releases his 7th grade field trip permission slip.


I'm not even a Republican, I'm just concerned that he may be hiding something. Why not just release it?
 
2012-08-15 01:31:47 PM
It was a small matter of time before the taxes came back. Romney pulled the trigger on his Veep selection early to take the heat off. But it'll be put back on in short order.
 
2012-08-15 01:37:00 PM

Mugato: Does anyone else think that Romney is a farking asshole just for dragging that wife of his who has a condition that is known to be aggravated by stress into the world of a Presidential election? I couldn't imagine doing that to a woman I Ioved.


Yes, because it's not like that attention would go away in the off chance he gets elected president.
 
2012-08-15 01:38:38 PM

DeltaPunch: I'm not even a Republican, I'm just concerned that he may be hiding something. Why not just release it?


Because it would be a pain in the ass to get a hod of if it even exists in the first place. And the point that who the fark cares? Romney's taxes are pertinent.Obama's GPA is not. Those of us who worked in college with real majors knows that the grade Obama got in "Lawyer Jackoffery 101" means dick.

And even if he did give up his transcripts, there would just be something else meant to throw everyone off. Romney's taxes though, are very pertinent and anyone who says otherwise is just being a partisan douche because you know you'd be crying if Obama didn't give is up by now.
 
2012-08-15 01:40:27 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Mugato: Does anyone else think that Romney is a farking asshole just for dragging that wife of his who has a condition that is known to be aggravated by stress into the world of a Presidential election? I couldn't imagine doing that to a woman I Ioved.

Yes, because it's not like that attention would go away in the off chance he gets elected president.


...I don't think you got the point of my post with that post.
 
2012-08-15 01:41:41 PM

SphericalTime: The problem is . . . now that Romney's repeatedly refused to release his taxes, at some point something will leak, and it'll be an even larger scandal than if he'd made them public himself because he'll have been trying to hide it.


nah
releasing them would have made him lose the nomination. which is WHY he is releasing them after the convention. WHERE is the GOP leadership in this? Why havent they taken a stance and informed him that he is not allowed at the convention unless he fixes this problem??
LOL
 
2012-08-15 01:43:05 PM

DamnYankees: "We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us"

What the hell does that even mean.


we only follow the letter of the law. we do everything that we can to find loopholes and tax dodges in order to pay the bare minimum required to us by law.

farkem
 
2012-08-15 01:44:59 PM
What is the difference between Republicans and Jesus?

Jesus loved prostitutes AND tax collectors.
 
2012-08-15 01:46:05 PM

namatad: DamnYankees: "We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us"

What the hell does that even mean.

we only follow the letter of the law. we do everything that we can to find loopholes and tax dodges in order to pay the bare minimum required to us by law.

farkem


And that will make a lot of Republicans who are in the middle or lower class say, "Right on! Damn the Man!", without a hint of irony.
 
2012-08-15 01:48:03 PM

Ennuipoet: That's it! I am getting a Three Corner Hat and poorly spelled sign and starting a protest movement! Perhaps something connected to the American Revolution.

Join the Boston Massacre Party!
Whar, tax returns, whar!?


Since you're on Fark.com and Fark.com is noted for its booze-heads, if nothing else, why not the Whisky Rebellion. Nothing says Fark and fark taxes like the Whisky Rebellion.
 
2012-08-15 01:51:19 PM

vernonFL: We can see Romney's tax returns as soon as Obama releases his 7th grade field trip permission slip.


I heard that permission slip was signed by the PM of Indonesia.
 
2012-08-15 01:54:39 PM
this coal miner's granddaughter is much more than an owner of an Olympic dressage horse.

Ah, that old hat. I thought we would draw the line at "daughter of a coal miner," but I guess granddaughter is close enough ties to those hardships.
 
2012-08-15 01:57:40 PM
tripatlas.com

Coal miner's daughter
 
2012-08-15 01:59:24 PM

Mugato: The My Little Pony Killer: Mugato: Does anyone else think that Romney is a farking asshole just for dragging that wife of his who has a condition that is known to be aggravated by stress into the world of a Presidential election? I couldn't imagine doing that to a woman I Ioved.

Yes, because it's not like that attention would go away in the off chance he gets elected president.

...I don't think you got the point of my post with that post.


Then please, by all means, say what you mean next time.
 
2012-08-15 01:59:55 PM

Mugato: Does anyone else think that Romney is a farking asshole just for dragging that wife of his who has a condition that is known to be aggravated by stress into the world of a Presidential election? I couldn't imagine doing that to a woman I Ioved.


It's ok. She has her outlet.

4.bp.blogspot.com

/full disclosure: I love that horse. I think she's marvelous, and if given the chance, I would braid little pink ribbons in her mane and feed her sugar cubes.
 
2012-08-15 02:03:42 PM
Should we start a betting pool on what is actually in there? I am betting that somehow he was continuing to write-off expenses from his time with the Salt Lake Olympics for several years after the Olympics were done. How much depreciation do you think he claimed on the buildings that built for that?
 
2012-08-15 02:09:48 PM
Gorb job, Ann, for putting the tax returns back into the news. I'm sure thats exactly what the campaign needs.
 
2012-08-15 02:11:49 PM

Party Boy: Gorb job,


quick added the "rb" on the wrong word.

/Good Jorb, me.
 
2012-08-15 02:19:00 PM

Slives: Should we start a betting pool on what is actually in there? I am betting that somehow he was continuing to write-off expenses from his time with the Salt Lake Olympics for several years after the Olympics were done. How much depreciation do you think he claimed on the buildings that built for that?


IMO we're never going to find out.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 02:25:25 PM

DamnYankees: Slives: Should we start a betting pool on what is actually in there? I am betting that somehow he was continuing to write-off expenses from his time with the Salt Lake Olympics for several years after the Olympics were done. How much depreciation do you think he claimed on the buildings that built for that?

IMO we're never going to find out.


It will leak. Sooner or later.
 
2012-08-15 02:26:14 PM

vpb: DamnYankees: Slives: Should we start a betting pool on what is actually in there? I am betting that somehow he was continuing to write-off expenses from his time with the Salt Lake Olympics for several years after the Olympics were done. How much depreciation do you think he claimed on the buildings that built for that?

IMO we're never going to find out.

It will leak. Sooner or later.


I just dont see it. We're going to be farked.
 
2012-08-15 02:27:23 PM
"Beyond paying or taxes, we give 10% of our income to, to charity."

You mean the Mormon church.
 
2012-08-15 02:28:21 PM

Mugato: Does anyone else think that Romney is a farking asshole just for dragging that wife of his who has a condition that is known to be aggravated by stress into the world of a Presidential election? I couldn't imagine doing that to a woman I Ioved.


I can't imagine you and a woman.

:D
 
2012-08-15 02:31:49 PM

HulkHands: this coal miner's granddaughter is much more than an owner of an Olympic dressage horse.

Ah, that old hat. I thought we would draw the line at "daughter of a coal miner," but I guess granddaughter is close enough ties to those hardships.


My grandmother lived through WWI Germany and escaped shortly thereafter, ergo *I* HAVE LIVED THAT LIFE, MY FRIEND. :/
 
2012-08-15 02:39:26 PM

DamnYankees: IMO we're never going to find out.

It will leak. Sooner or later.

I just dont see it. We're going to be farked.


nah, rmoney wont win the election. not with palin as a running mate.
 
2012-08-15 02:40:21 PM

gameshowhost: HulkHands: this coal miner's granddaughter is much more than an owner of an Olympic dressage horse.

Ah, that old hat. I thought we would draw the line at "daughter of a coal miner," but I guess granddaughter is close enough ties to those hardships.

My grandmother lived through WWI Germany and escaped shortly thereafter, ergo *I* HAVE LIVED THAT LIFE, MY FRIEND. :/


My great-great-grandparents left Germany before it became a Nation, so I have experienced feudalism.
 
2012-08-15 02:40:50 PM
Hey R-money, using your MS-ridden wife as a media proxy is some ice cold shiat.

/Nice headline, Subs, captures the circular reasoning of the Romney campaign on this issue quite succinctly.
//+1.
 
2012-08-15 02:50:41 PM
Since they won't release their tax returns, I think the only responsible course of action is to start talking about the facts some say are in those tax returns.

For instance, some say that in 2006 Mitt Romney took a $135,000 deduction on a gilded chariot he used hunting disabled children for sport?

That's not all. According to unnamed sources back in 2002 Mitt Romney demanded co-writing and co-producing credit on John Williams' Olympic Theme, and the $586,000 in royalties earned were used to purchase late 90's one-hit wonder Cathy Dennis, whom Romney later executed and consumed during a Super Bowl party, remarking near the end of the game that he had indigestion and something had "touched me wrong?"

More recently, reports indicate in 2011 Mitt Romney wrote off $228,000 in FAA fines incurred when he drunkenly demanded his G5 fly at stall speed so he could "blast some dook" over the Princeton Business School graduation?

All of these purported murderous, cannibalistic acts of fecal terrorism could be explained away with a simple emailed .pdf...why will he not click "send?"
 
2012-08-15 03:01:49 PM
FTFA: "It's been managed by a blind trust since before Mitt was governor, you know, 2002 forward," she (Mitt's wife) told Morales. "And so, you know, I'll be curious to see what's in there too."

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Now THAT is comedy!
 
2012-08-15 03:02:30 PM

vpb: Marcus Aurelius: Has Mitt even released one full year yet?

I get the feeling that his 2009 return is a steaming pile of outrage.

No he says that he released two years because he has promised to release 2011 in October.


Ahhh the October Surprise.
 
2012-08-15 03:05:00 PM
Perhaps Mitt should have thought about how he did business before looking to run for office. Just a thought...
 
2012-08-15 03:05:26 PM

xanadian: vpb: Marcus Aurelius: Has Mitt even released one full year yet?

I get the feeling that his 2009 return is a steaming pile of outrage.

No he says that he released two years because he has promised to release 2011 in October.

Ahhh the October Surprise.


You would think that the GOP party leaders would want to know some of this information before they nominate their candidate. Esp if it lead to getting slammed in the election.
If the voters dont go out, they could lose a bunch of close seats in congress. LOL
 
2012-08-15 03:18:43 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Since they won't release their tax returns, I think the only responsible course of action is to start talking about the facts some say are in those tax returns.

For instance, some say that in 2006 Mitt Romney took a $135,000 deduction on a gilded chariot he used hunting disabled children for sport?

That's not all. According to unnamed sources back in 2002 Mitt Romney demanded co-writing and co-producing credit on John Williams' Olympic Theme, and the $586,000 in royalties earned were used to purchase late 90's one-hit wonder Cathy Dennis, whom Romney later executed and consumed during a Super Bowl party, remarking near the end of the game that he had indigestion and something had "touched me wrong?"

More recently, reports indicate in 2011 Mitt Romney wrote off $228,000 in FAA fines incurred when he drunkenly demanded his G5 fly at stall speed so he could "blast some dook" over the Princeton Business School graduation?

All of these purported murderous, cannibalistic acts of fecal terrorism could be explained away with a simple emailed .pdf...why will he not click "send?"


We all know its been reported that Mitt didn't pay any taxes for nearly a decade. What hasn't been reported, and what some people "in the know" are talking about is Mitt actually personally selling automatic weapons at a loss to the Janjaweed in Darfur, just so he could lessen his already pathetically small tax burden.
 
2012-08-15 03:20:47 PM

Nadie_AZ: It was a small matter of time before the taxes came back. Romney pulled the trigger on his Veep selection early to take the heat off. But it'll be put back on in short order.


Don't forget, in April Romney scheduled the Tax Return debate to happen again in October by filing a 6-month extension.

So no matter what, Romney knew his tax returns would come up again in October. Real smrt, jackass.
 
2012-08-15 03:24:19 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: The fact that he showed McCain so many tax returns to cross the threshold of being a VP candidate, and won't release the same to the electorate, simply doesn't pass the smell test.


McCain is many things, and one of the ones he's best known for being is an outspoken asshole. When he sees something he thinks is wrong, he pulls out his umbrella and yells at every cloud in the sky.

He's been silent this whole time.
 
2012-08-15 03:24:30 PM
And we allow people like this to LIVE and exploit us relentlessly???
 
2012-08-15 03:25:54 PM

Cubansaltyballs: Nadie_AZ: It was a small matter of time before the taxes came back. Romney pulled the trigger on his Veep selection early to take the heat off. But it'll be put back on in short order.

Don't forget, in April Romney scheduled the Tax Return debate to happen again in October by filing a 6-month extension.

So no matter what, Romney knew his tax returns would come up again in October. Real smrt, jackass.


It is silly. We have known for a long time, that the best and only way to resolve a controversy is to address it head on. Perfect example is Obama's drug use. It is a non-starter.

Hell, rmoney could have resolved all of this by releasing 10 to 20 numbers.
Taxable/net/gross Income, federal taxes paid, for 5-10 years.
people would have gripped about how low his effective tax rate was, but it would have quickly become old news and a couple of sound bites.

Instead, it is a simple attack point. Which just makes you look more and more like you are actually hiding INSANE numbers .... unless you are actually hiding INSANE numbers, in which case, why did you bother running? to fark with the GOP??

maybe this is an elaborate dem plot !!!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 03:25:59 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Since they won't release their tax returns, I think the only responsible course of action is to start talking about the facts some say are in those tax returns.

For instance, some say that in 2006 Mitt Romney took a $135,000 deduction on a gilded chariot he used hunting disabled children for sport?

That's not all. According to unnamed sources back in 2002 Mitt Romney demanded co-writing and co-producing credit on John Williams' Olympic Theme, and the $586,000 in royalties earned were used to purchase late 90's one-hit wonder Cathy Dennis, whom Romney later executed and consumed during a Super Bowl party, remarking near the end of the game that he had indigestion and something had "touched me wrong?"

More recently, reports indicate in 2011 Mitt Romney wrote off $228,000 in FAA fines incurred when he drunkenly demanded his G5 fly at stall speed so he could "blast some dook" over the Princeton Business School graduation?

All of these purported murderous, cannibalistic acts of fecal terrorism could be explained away with a simple emailed .pdf...why will he not click "send?"


Or maybe just point out that fact that it's normal practice to release tax returns so he needs to do that or GTFO.
 
2012-08-15 03:28:16 PM
When pressed by Morales, Mrs. Romney stood her ground. "We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us," she said. "There's going to be no more tax releases given."

Mrs. Romney said if they release any more information, "it will only give them more ammunition."

In regards to their finances, she said "there's nothing we're hiding."


I think we are talking about different things here. We're not suggesting you are doing anything illegal. I have no doubt you have followed the letter of the law to a T. What we're interested in seeing is exactly how many different loopholes you have utilized in order to reduce your tax burden. The reason that is relevant is because when we discuss closing tax loopholes in the future, I want to know which ones you currently enjoy and have a discussion of whether or not you intend to close those.

You're not hiding anything illegal. You're hiding things you currently use that should they make the light of day to the public might become illegal.
 
2012-08-15 03:29:14 PM

lennavan: You're hiding things you currently use that should they make the light of day to the public might become illegal.


Bingo bango boingo.
 
2012-08-15 03:29:41 PM

Psylence: And we allow people like this to LIVE and exploit us relentlessly???


It's like the Teabaggers and Republicans read a book called "50 Shades of Romney" where they celebrate being submissive and treated like sh*t and abused by a narcissistic c*ntbag of a human being that holds them in the same regard as most people have for a dead animal on the side of the road.

/never read the book
//only heard Howard Stern talk about it
///and the Richard/Sal re-inactment.
 
2012-08-15 03:29:50 PM

Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?

Gonna send her to "get tough with China" too, Mitt?


They like the deflection of "Stop attacking a stay at home mom" talking point.
 
2012-08-15 03:30:20 PM
Romney/Ryan - We only do the Minimum. As far as you know
 
2012-08-15 03:30:36 PM
Mitt's dad is turning over in his grave.
 
2012-08-15 03:30:57 PM

namatad: Instead, it is a simple attack point. Which just makes you look more and more like you are actually hiding INSANE numbers .... unless you are actually hiding INSANE numbers, in which case, why did you bother running? to fark with the GOP??

maybe this is an elaborate dem plot !!!



The best part is, if he releases them now, he'll look like he caved to Obama.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 03:31:42 PM

DamnYankees: vpb: DamnYankees: Slives: Should we start a betting pool on what is actually in there? I am betting that somehow he was continuing to write-off expenses from his time with the Salt Lake Olympics for several years after the Olympics were done. How much depreciation do you think he claimed on the buildings that built for that?

IMO we're never going to find out.

It will leak. Sooner or later.

I just dont see it. We're going to be farked.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870462980457532451066216 4 360.html
 
2012-08-15 03:32:07 PM

Cubansaltyballs: namatad: Instead, it is a simple attack point. Which just makes you look more and more like you are actually hiding INSANE numbers .... unless you are actually hiding INSANE numbers, in which case, why did you bother running? to fark with the GOP??

maybe this is an elaborate dem plot !!!


The best part is, if he releases them now, he'll look like he caved to Obama.


He won't release them now. If he releases his tax returns it will spark a debate on how rich people are currently utilizing loopholes to pay an effective tax rate less than what the working class pays.
 
2012-08-15 03:32:13 PM

Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?

Gonna send her to "get tough with China" too, Mitt?


No, he's got someone else in mind for that.

blogs.villagevoice.com
 
2012-08-15 03:32:24 PM

WhyteRaven74: Mitt's dad is turning over in his grave.


I'm convinced that Mitt is adopted. I mean, who would let their own child grow up and be called "Mitt" as an adult?
 
2012-08-15 03:33:50 PM

Mugato: Does anyone else think that Romney is a farking asshole just for dragging that wife of his who has a condition that is known to be aggravated by stress into the world of a Presidential election? I couldn't imagine doing that to a woman I Ioved.


The difference in this case, though, is that there are no restraining orders involved...
 
2012-08-15 03:34:36 PM

Lost Thought 00: I'm convinced that Mitt is adopted. I mean, who would let their own child grow up and be called "Mitt" as an adult?


heh
 
2012-08-15 03:34:50 PM

lennavan: He won't release them now. If he releases his tax returns it will spark a debate on how rich people are currently utilizing loopholes to pay an effective tax rate less than what the working class pays.


Yeah, good thing that's not currently happening.
 
2012-08-15 03:35:32 PM

Ennuipoet: That's it! I am getting a Three Corner Hat and poorly spelled sign and starting a protest movement! Perhaps something connected to the American Revolution.

Join the Boston Massacre Party!
Whar, tax returns, whar!?


For shear tax evasiveness, starting your own religion is the best bet. Plus if you are a guy you can specify that multiple wives are required.
 
2012-08-15 03:35:50 PM
How, pray tell, can they be used against you?
 
2012-08-15 03:35:57 PM

Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: He won't release them now. If he releases his tax returns it will spark a debate on how rich people are currently utilizing loopholes to pay an effective tax rate less than what the working class pays.

Yeah, good thing that's not currently happening.


I don't actually think that's a good thing.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 03:36:06 PM

Psylence: And we allow people like this to LIVE and exploit us relentlessly???


Sure, I don't think Romney is any more evil than the average businessman, he just gets more scrutiny because he's running for office.
 
2012-08-15 03:36:09 PM
Do you suppose he limited what Ryan released? Like, I'm only doing 2 years so you can only do 2 years. Ryan seems a little shady but not that bad, I'm sure he would have no problem releasing more, but you can't have your running mate upstage you there.
 
2012-08-15 03:36:48 PM
"There's going to be no more tax releases given."

It's ok with me if you want a cloud over your head until November, lady, but this ain't going away.
 
2012-08-15 03:37:32 PM

DamnYankees: For some reason I really dont like this woman.


Is it because she thinks the government has no business helping the economically disadvantaged obtain preventitive cancer screenings similart to those which saved her life, but it's perfectly fine if the government writes down nearly $80,000 of their tax obligation for her dancing horse? She's a terrible farking person.
 
2012-08-15 03:37:41 PM

Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?

Gonna send her to "get tough with China" too, Mitt?


Because they are hoping to claim sexism when anyone questions it. They are being cowardly.
 
2012-08-15 03:37:42 PM

vpb: I don't think Romney is any more evil than the average businessman


Well given his business doesn't produce any goods or services and saddles companies with debts, I'd say he is.
 
2012-08-15 03:37:50 PM

lennavan: Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: He won't release them now. If he releases his tax returns it will spark a debate on how rich people are currently utilizing loopholes to pay an effective tax rate less than what the working class pays.

Yeah, good thing that's not currently happening.

I don't actually think that's a good thing.


Yeah, good thing Radio Shack is still around so you can get the parts to repair your sarcasm detector.
 
2012-08-15 03:38:30 PM

impaler: "Beyond paying or taxes, we give 10% of our income to, to charity."

You mean the Mormon church.


"Beyond" paying taxes would imply they don't claim that portion of Mitt's extraordinary (salary? Net worth? Which does he tithe from?) as a tax write-off. Taking advantage of the tax break, even for something noble as giving charity, is not "beyond" paying your taxes, it's 100% consistent with paying them as required by law.

Also, what do you think of someone who only does the minimum?

// Romney has only released 2 pieces of flair
 
2012-08-15 03:38:59 PM

DamnYankees: "We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us"

What the hell does that even mean.


It means his campaign platform is "Vote for Romney: I'll do the bare minimum"
 
2012-08-15 03:39:28 PM
Where are all the Romney supporters in this thread?
 
2012-08-15 03:39:30 PM

cram_hole: Do you suppose he limited what Ryan released? Like, I'm only doing 2 years so you can only do 2 years.


Definitely.
 
2012-08-15 03:40:34 PM

vpb: DamnYankees: Slives: Should we start a betting pool on what is actually in there? I am betting that somehow he was continuing to write-off expenses from his time with the Salt Lake Olympics for several years after the Olympics were done. How much depreciation do you think he claimed on the buildings that built for that?

IMO we're never going to find out.

It will leak. Sooner or later.


I bet it doesn't leak unless Romney pulls even in polling. If Obama maintains the 50-48 lead he has now, he keeps it holstered. October rolls around and it's 49-49?

If Romney never catches up, we hear about it in March
 
2012-08-15 03:41:32 PM

physt: Where are all the Romney supporters in this thread?


I don't think I've seen Romney supporters in any thread. Just Obama haters and some talking point shills. Nobody likes the guy.
 
2012-08-15 03:41:34 PM

Kome: DamnYankees: "We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us"

What the hell does that even mean.

It means his campaign platform is "Vote for Romney: I'll do the bare minimum"


Hey, you're back to TF status! It's been years!
 
2012-08-15 03:42:07 PM

lennavan: You're not hiding anything illegal. You're hiding things you currently use that should they make the light of day to the public might become illegal.


Bears repeating.

This is what killed Steve Forbes back when he was pushing for a flat tax but refused to show his tax returns so that people could see how much money he'd save if flat tax law were enacted. I'm shocked that Romney didn't see this coming and have a better excuse for not releasing his tax returns.
 
2012-08-15 03:42:36 PM
Romney is using his wife's condition to benefit himself. No one can argue with her, because then he could play the "You're picking on my wife who has multiple sclerosis" card.

Honestly, no matter what is on his tax records, he's boned. If he doesn't release them, he's hiding something and loses supporters, and if he does release him, he gave in to Obama and loses supporters.
 
2012-08-15 03:43:18 PM
She'd love to show them, but their tax returns are written on a super-secret gold plate that they're not allowed to let anybody see. Not that it would matter if you could see it, any way, all the figures are written in a special magic language that only Mitt and Ann can read.

Just kidding, but c'mon, what naive doofus would be so gullible as to fall for that crap?
 
2012-08-15 03:44:11 PM

Tickle Mittens: DamnYankees: For some reason I really dont like this woman.

Is it because she thinks the government has no business helping the economically disadvantaged obtain preventitive cancer screenings similart to those which saved her life, but it's perfectly fine if the government writes down nearly $80,000 of their tax obligation for her dancing horse? She's a terrible farking person.


She's a real piece of sh*t. She's an entitled, smug, ignorant twat.

She thinks the little people need to work to have any dignity... while praying every day that her husband doesn't send your job somewhere else where the peasants are more desperate.

She's a horrible human being that thinks she is better than everyone else because she is wealthy. She thinks the peasant masses should toil for scraps in unregulated working conditions, just so we can have the dignity of being subservient to her.

F*ck her. She's a horrible, wretched c*nt and I hope she gets to live a long painful life with her MS.
 
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2012-08-15 03:44:50 PM

EyeballKid: She'd love to show them, but their tax returns are written on a super-secret gold plate that they're not allowed to let anybody see. Not that it would matter if you could see it, any way, all the figures are written in a special magic language that only Mitt and Ann can read.


Awesomesause!
 
2012-08-15 03:45:08 PM

DamnYankees: Kome: DamnYankees: "We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us"

What the hell does that even mean.

It means his campaign platform is "Vote for Romney: I'll do the bare minimum"

Hey, you're back to TF status! It's been years!


Yea. Sponsored by, of all people, a politics-tab troll (some DUDE concerned about the ENVIROnment... if'n you catch my drift). With no explanation as to why, either.
 
2012-08-15 03:45:17 PM

DamnYankees: For some reason I really dont like this woman.


Ann reminds me of Barbara Bush, wife of Bush Sr. The one with the beautiful mind.
 
2012-08-15 03:45:19 PM

efgeise: Romney is using his wife's condition to benefit himself. No one can argue with her, because then he could play the "You're picking on my wife who has multiple sclerosis" card.

Honestly, no matter what is on his tax records, he's boned. If he doesn't release them, he's hiding something and loses supporters, and if he does release him, he gave in to Obama and loses supporters.


He should have released them 3 years ago, when no one was looking, and then the issue never would have come up
 
2012-08-15 03:46:00 PM

HighOnCraic: I'm shocked that Romney didn't see this coming and have a better excuse for not releasing his tax returns.


It doesn't really seem to have made any different in the polls, as far as I can tell.
 
2012-08-15 03:47:14 PM
I honestly believe they're not going to release anything else. They're going to ride out the storm, and do the best that they can, but at this point, there's no way they release them.

The thing is, their base doesn't care. My ultra-conservative super-religious office mate was commenting today on some work a company won relating to the ACA, and he said, "I wonder how that will be handled when the Republicans take control of everything and repeal that dog of a law."

He was totally serious. He's an educated man, but he totally believes Mittens is the man who is going to fix everything. (Well, he wanted Santorum, but you take what you can get apparently) He believes this not because he thinks Mittens is a good candidate, but because he believes the Republican party taking control of everything is the only hope our country has of not completely ending up in the toilet, so he has to win.

I like to laugh at Mitt and the escapades of his bumbling, inept staff, but this guy actually has a shot at being President of the United States of America because of guys like my office mate.
 
2012-08-15 03:47:23 PM

HighOnCraic: lennavan: You're not hiding anything illegal. You're hiding things you currently use that should they make the light of day to the public might become illegal.

Bears repeating.

This is what killed Steve Forbes back when he was pushing for a flat tax but refused to show his tax returns so that people could see how much money he'd save if flat tax law were enacted. I'm shocked that Romney didn't see this coming and have a better excuse for not releasing his tax returns.


I think that he just can't get around the 2009 return. They can retroactively fix and re-file some of the older returns I'm sure, but 2009, with his repatriation of his hidden illegal Swiss bank accounts under threat of prosecution is going to be very hard to explain, as well as where the money in those accounts came from.
 
2012-08-15 03:48:25 PM
"It's very emotional for me to come back and to know what kind of life my grandfather lived, and my father," said Mrs. Romney, touring a coal mine much like the one in which her grandfather began working at age six.]

Oh for fark's sake...

Why do these privileged, pampered assholes insist on trying to show America how "in touch" with the working classes they are?

They utterly fail every time (Romney awkwardly pushing a shopping cart like it was the first time he's ever done it was my favorite so far), and they just remind people how completely out of touch they really are.


Who the hell do they think they're fooling with this bullshiat? It's hilarious.

I haven't met the Romneys (I'm lower middle class after all), but I'm willing to bet money they are just like the super rich assholes I used to deal with when I worked on the Cape for a couple of Summers as a younger man(Restaurant work).

Oh, they're friendly and polite as long as things are going their way or everyone is kissing their asses, but the minute something goes wrong or someone isn't showing them the respect they feel entitled to, you'll quickly get a glimpse of the real person... They don't think they're better than you, they know it and they'll treat you like the inferior peon they see you as.

I may be off base, but I bet I'm not.
 
2012-08-15 03:48:31 PM

Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: He won't release them now. If he releases his tax returns it will spark a debate on how rich people are currently utilizing loopholes to pay an effective tax rate less than what the working class pays.

Yeah, good thing that's not currently happening.

I don't actually think that's a good thing.

Yeah, good thing Radio Shack is still around so you can get the parts to repair your sarcasm detector.


My sarcasm detector works great. You're the idiot who thinks that is currently happening.
 
2012-08-15 03:48:41 PM

Kome: Yea. Sponsored by, of all people, a politics-tab troll (some DUDE concerned about the ENVIROnment... if'n you catch my drift). With no explanation as to why, either.


If you buy a year of TF, they give you some free credits for TF or something. I handed them out randomly to people who made me laugh.

So, dance monkey!! if you want to keep your free TF!
 
2012-08-15 03:49:21 PM

Lost Thought 00: efgeise: Romney is using his wife's condition to benefit himself. No one can argue with her, because then he could play the "You're picking on my wife who has multiple sclerosis" card.

Honestly, no matter what is on his tax records, he's boned. If he doesn't release them, he's hiding something and loses supporters, and if he does release him, he gave in to Obama and loses supporters.

He should have released them 3 years ago, when no one was looking, and then the issue never would have come up


You mean before his Swiss Tax amnesty?
 
2012-08-15 03:50:22 PM

lennavan: Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: He won't release them now. If he releases his tax returns it will spark a debate on how rich people are currently utilizing loopholes to pay an effective tax rate less than what the working class pays.

Yeah, good thing that's not currently happening.

I don't actually think that's a good thing.

Yeah, good thing Radio Shack is still around so you can get the parts to repair your sarcasm detector.

My sarcasm detector works great. You're the idiot who thinks that is currently happening.


It is happening. It just happened. You must have been at lunch or in the shower getting that sand out of your vagina.
 
2012-08-15 03:50:40 PM
My word, are you people STILL here?
 
2012-08-15 03:51:30 PM
Ann Romney needs to shut up about her husbands political troubles.
 
2012-08-15 03:52:08 PM

Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: He won't release them now. If he releases his tax returns it will spark a debate on how rich people are currently utilizing loopholes to pay an effective tax rate less than what the working class pays.

Yeah, good thing that's not currently happening.

I don't actually think that's a good thing.

Yeah, good thing Radio Shack is still around so you can get the parts to repair your sarcasm detector.

My sarcasm detector works great. You're the idiot who thinks that is currently happening.

It is happening. It just happened. You must have been at lunch or in the shower getting that sand out of your vagina.


Not it isn't. No it didn't. But making stuff up sure is fun, isn't it?
 
2012-08-15 03:52:41 PM

impaler: "Beyond paying or taxes, we give 10% of our income to, to charity."

You mean the Mormon church.


Forced tithing isn't charity. Being a Mormon is like buying a house with an HOA. Pay your dues or else. Voluntarily giving money to the church is one thing, but do Mormons have the ability to say, "You know what, not this year. Money's tight, we need to hold on to everyone last cent"? No, I'm pretty sure they don't.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 03:52:43 PM

WhyteRaven74: vpb: I don't think Romney is any more evil than the average businessman

Well given his business doesn't produce any goods or services and saddles companies with debts, I'd say he is.


That's what private equity firms do. That's where the term "corporate raider" came from. He didn't invent it, it's a whole industry.

There are plenty of other industries that make money without doing anything to earn it too. Look at bankers. I don't think Mitt was doing anything as illegal as laundering money for Iran or selling billions in fraudulent derivatives.
 
2012-08-15 03:53:32 PM

Kome: DamnYankees: Kome: DamnYankees: "We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us"

What the hell does that even mean.

It means his campaign platform is "Vote for Romney: I'll do the bare minimum"

Hey, you're back to TF status! It's been years!

Yea. Sponsored by, of all people, a politics-tab troll (some DUDE concerned about the ENVIROnment... if'n you catch my drift). With no explanation as to why, either.


Wait...so you're telling me EnviroDude may not be entirely on the level?

encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-08-15 03:53:33 PM

SurfaceTension: They've had a year to get out in front of any issues with the tax returns. What's in there MUST be a doozy.


t2.gstatic.com

"Watch that first year's tax return! It's a doozy!"
 
2012-08-15 03:53:41 PM

efgeise: Romney is using his wife's condition to benefit himself. No one can argue with her, because then he could play the "You're picking on my wife who has multiple sclerosis" card.

Honestly, no matter what is on his tax records, he's boned. If he doesn't release them, he's hiding something and loses supporters, and if he does release him, he gave in to Obama and loses supporters.


And if he lets his wife handle the tax returns issue, Mitt looks weak to his own wife because he can't handle a direct and easy challenge from Obama. Romney doesn't have much going for him, and if he's going to let his wife handle all the hard work, maybe the wrong Romney is running for office.

So the pecking order for this entire campaign is Ann > Mitt > Ryan?
 
2012-08-15 03:53:46 PM
WHY YOU NO PAY TAXES??
 
2012-08-15 03:53:55 PM

lennavan: Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: He won't release them now. If he releases his tax returns it will spark a debate on how rich people are currently utilizing loopholes to pay an effective tax rate less than what the working class pays.

Yeah, good thing that's not currently happening.

I don't actually think that's a good thing.

Yeah, good thing Radio Shack is still around so you can get the parts to repair your sarcasm detector.

My sarcasm detector works great. You're the idiot who thinks that is currently happening.

It is happening. It just happened. You must have been at lunch or in the shower getting that sand out of your vagina.

Not it isn't. No it didn't. But making stuff up sure is fun, isn't it?


I've been told my storytelling ability is legendary, like your mom's BJ ability.
 
2012-08-15 03:54:01 PM

Ann Romney: My word, are you people STILL here?


I have nothing against you personally Mrs. Romney or even your husband for that matter. I just think the people voting for you husband are complete idiots. Take care.
 
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2012-08-15 03:54:07 PM
Let them read cake.
 
2012-08-15 03:54:28 PM

Cubansaltyballs: She's a real piece of sh*t. She's an entitled, smug, ignorant twat.

She thinks the little people need to work to have any dignity... while praying every day that her husband doesn't send your job somewhere else where the peasants are more desperate.

She's a horrible human being that thinks she is better than everyone else because she is wealthy. She thinks the peasant masses should toil for scraps in unregulated working conditions, just so we can have the dignity of being subservient to her.

F*ck her. She's a horrible, wretched c*nt and I hope she gets to live a long painful life with her MS.


Wow! Just because she's out of touch with regular humans, you go off on this huge rant? I honestly don't see her as such a tyrannical human stepping on the little folks, but more of a product of her environment. You should see the kids these people are raising, they have some instragram twitterfeed about their lives. They're all out of touch, and perhaps a bit coarse because of their lack of suffering, but I don't think they're nearly as bad as you seem to think.

Get some therapy before you blow a heart gasket. Wow! Being out of touch doesn't make a person vile, it makes them out of touch.
 
2012-08-15 03:55:32 PM

keylock71: "It's very emotional for me to come back and to know what kind of life my grandfather lived, and my father," said Mrs. Romney, touring a coal mine much like the one in which her grandfather began working at age six.]

Oh for fark's sake...

Why do these privileged, pampered assholes insist on trying to show America how "in touch" with the working classes they are?


I automatically distrust anyone who tries to claim thier parents or grandparents accomplishments or hardships as their own.
 
2012-08-15 03:57:12 PM
LLANGYNWD, Wales

I think I thied my thongue in a thnot.
 
2012-08-15 03:57:12 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Wow! Just because she's out of touch with regular humans, you go off on this huge rant? I honestly don't see her as such a tyrannical human stepping on the little folks, but more of a product of her environment. You should see the kids these people are raising, they have some instragram twitterfeed about their lives. They're all out of touch, and perhaps a bit coarse because of their lack of suffering, but I don't think they're nearly as bad as you seem to think.


That's not an excuse. Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and hundreds of other people have 100x the money she could ever imagine and they don't treat people like equipment.

She does it because she's never worked a day in her life and tells herself that she's better than the rest of us because we have to work to feed ourselves.
 
2012-08-15 03:57:19 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: SurfaceTension: They've had a year to get out in front of any issues with the tax returns. What's in there MUST be a doozy.

It would wreck'em and they know it. And it's not some complicated accounting thing, it's something so simple anyone could understand and most would be pissed about, something that would cause a swing voter to say, "Oh, fnck you."

Like a year of paying no income tax on millions.


It's probably something like:

Total Federal Income Tax Paid: $2,030,145.15
Total Federal Income Tax Refunded: $2,030,025.84

Net Federal Income Tax Paid: $119.31
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 03:58:03 PM

Brandyelf: I honestly believe they're not going to release anything else. They're going to ride out the storm, and do the best that they can, but at this point, there's no way they release them.

The thing is, their base doesn't care. My ultra-conservative super-religious office mate was commenting today on some work a company won relating to the ACA, and he said, "I wonder how that will be handled when the Republicans take control of everything and repeal that dog of a law."

He was totally serious. He's an educated man, but he totally believes Mittens is the man who is going to fix everything. (Well, he wanted Santorum, but you take what you can get apparently) He believes this not because he thinks Mittens is a good candidate, but because he believes the Republican party taking control of everything is the only hope our country has of not completely ending up in the toilet, so he has to win.

I like to laugh at Mitt and the escapades of his bumbling, inept staff, but this guy actually has a shot at being President of the United States of America because of guys like my office mate.


"Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle merite." which translates roughly as "We're farked."
 
2012-08-15 03:58:08 PM

dericwater: SurfaceTension: They've had a year to get out in front of any issues with the tax returns. What's in there MUST be a doozy.

[t2.gstatic.com image 259x194]

"Watch that first year's tax return! It's a doozy!"


It could be stellar tax avoidance tactics the likes of which God has never even seen. Or, it could be a few or just one cripplingly embarrassing tax deduction on one form in one year. I'm betting they wrote the dressage horse expenses off as a health expense.
 
2012-08-15 03:58:26 PM

DamnYankees: For some reason I really dont like this woman.


That's because she's a lying dullard and she bears a resemblance to Nancy Grace.
 
2012-08-15 03:59:04 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Get some therapy before you blow a heart gasket. Wow! Being out of touch doesn't make a person vile, it makes them out of touch.


And yes, it makes her vile. My grandma is out of touch, but she would never tell someone less fortunate than her they need to work to have dignity. Ann Romney is a vile twat that thinks her money makes her superior to the rest of the world.

I hope she rots.
 
2012-08-15 03:59:29 PM

Cubansaltyballs:
She's a real piece of sh*t. She's an entitled, smug, ignorant twat.

She thinks the little people need to work to have any dignity... while praying every day that her husband doesn't send your job somewhere else where the peasants are more desperate.

She's a horrible human being that thinks she is better than everyone else because she is wealthy. She thinks the peasant masses should toil for scraps in unregulated working conditions, just so we can have the dignity of being subservient to her.

F*ck her. She's a horrible, wretched c*nt and I hope she gets to live a long painful life with her MS.


I'm not sure what you're trying to say
 
2012-08-15 04:01:08 PM
thismomentinblackhistory


The fact that he showed McCain so many tax returns to cross the threshold of being a VP candidate, and won't release the same to the electorate, simply doesn't pass the smell test.


Could also be that it's none of your farking business.

What do you hope to accomplish by seeing his tax returns. You already know what's in them. If there were anything illegal, IRS would have nailed him.

So what's your purpose. Are you going to determine his effective tax rate was less than 20% and then attempt to use that as a point against him with the more feeble minded voters.

BRRRR... not going to play that game.
 
2012-08-15 04:01:08 PM

Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: Cubansaltyballs: lennavan: He won't release them now. If he releases his tax returns it will spark a debate on how rich people are currently utilizing loopholes to pay an effective tax rate less than what the working class pays.

Yeah, good thing that's not currently happening.

I don't actually think that's a good thing.

Yeah, good thing Radio Shack is still around so you can get the parts to repair your sarcasm detector.

My sarcasm detector works great. You're the idiot who thinks that is currently happening.

It is happening. It just happened. You must have been at lunch or in the shower getting that sand out of your vagina.

Not it isn't. No it didn't. But making stuff up sure is fun, isn't it?

I've been told my storytelling ability is legendary, like your mom's BJ ability.


Cool Story Brah.
 
2012-08-15 04:01:22 PM
You'd have to be seriously stupid to vote for these clowns.

But then again, Americans are the dumbest people on the planet that vote based on commercial like catch phrases, especially if you just repeat 911, Jebus, and jobs over and over again.
 
2012-08-15 04:01:24 PM
Jesus, these people have no farking shame at all.

keylock71: "It's very emotional for me to come back and to know what kind of life my grandfather lived, and my father," said Mrs. Romney, touring a coal mine much like the one in which her grandfather began working at age six.]

Oh for fark's sake...

Why do these privileged, pampered assholes insist on trying to show America how "in touch" with the working classes they are?

They utterly fail every time (Romney awkwardly pushing a shopping cart like it was the first time he's ever done it was my favorite so far), and they just remind people how completely out of touch they really are.


Who the hell do they think they're fooling with this bullshiat? It's hilarious.

I haven't met the Romneys (I'm lower middle class after all), but I'm willing to bet money they are just like the super rich assholes I used to deal with when I worked on the Cape for a couple of Summers as a younger man(Restaurant work).

Oh, they're friendly and polite as long as things are going their way or everyone is kissing their asses, but the minute something goes wrong or someone isn't showing them the respect they feel entitled to, you'll quickly get a glimpse of the real person... They don't think they're better than you, they know it and they'll treat you like the inferior peon they see you as.

I may be off base, but I bet I'm not.


You are right on target. I worked for a man who did quite well and very Republian. Nice guy until something went wrong and then he wanted heads and it was always something stupid that he blew his stack over. Had his two idiot kids working for him as well who were a chip off the old block, but if they screwed up which they often did he looked the other way.
 
2012-08-15 04:01:39 PM

dericwater: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: SurfaceTension: They've had a year to get out in front of any issues with the tax returns. What's in there MUST be a doozy.

It would wreck'em and they know it. And it's not some complicated accounting thing, it's something so simple anyone could understand and most would be pissed about, something that would cause a swing voter to say, "Oh, fnck you."

Like a year of paying no income tax on millions.

It's probably something like:

Total Federal Income Tax Paid: $2,030,145.15
Total Federal Income Tax Refunded: $2,030,025.84

Net Federal Income Tax Paid: $119.31


Which would prove Harry Reid a liar therefore Palin is automatically Chariman of the Fed and Pelosi has to get a sex change operation.
 
2012-08-15 04:03:44 PM

Buffalo77: So what's your purpose. Are you going to determine his effective tax rate was less than 20% and then attempt to use that as a point against him with the more feeble minded voters.


We should all be happy to pay a higher percentage of our income in taxes than a great man like Mitt Romney. In fact he deserves the 0.82% rate that the Romney/Ryan plan promises him.
 
2012-08-15 04:04:14 PM

SphericalTime: The problem is . . . now that Romney's repeatedly refused to release his taxes, at some point something will leak, and it'll be an even larger scandal than if he'd made them public himself because he'll have been trying to hide it.


To be honest I HOPE nothing leaks.

Even NOW they could release them all and there'd be time to recover from almost anything that just wasn't absolutely heinous. Allowing the speculation to continue just lets imaginations run wild, the topic to never die, and prevents them from talking about anything else. Think they really want to be wheeling out this dolt of a wife to talk about tax returns? She ought to be out doing cakewalk photo ops with kids and shiat. Instead she's stuck defending her poor widdle hubby from all the meanie heads out there...and doing a shiatty job of it to boot. I'm definitely OK with this.
 
2012-08-15 04:04:55 PM
I have no clue in hell why the campaign thinks that Ann Romney is the "softer" side of the candidate. She's not unattractive, but her attitude sends things well into backpfeifengesicht territory.
 
2012-08-15 04:05:07 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: I'm not sure what you're trying to say


You keep up with that smart mouth and my smart foot will laugh all the way to your ASS!
media.screened.com
 
2012-08-15 04:05:45 PM

Cubansaltyballs: That's not an excuse. Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and hundreds of other people have 100x the money she could ever imagine and they don't treat people like equipment.

She does it because she's never worked a day in her life and tells herself that she's better than the rest of us because we have to work to feed ourselves.


Yeah, she's out of touch, of that there is no doubt. But your tirade against her was something else, woah! I'm just saying she's out of touch, and should be mocked for it, as I guarantee neither could do an honest days work in an office, or God forbid, outdoors doing manual labor, but I don't think that automatically qualifies her as descriptive as you have gone off.
 
2012-08-15 04:05:52 PM

Dr Dreidel: Also, what do you think of someone who only does the minimum?

// Romney has only released 2 pieces of flair



Hey, if we want the minimum to be 10 pieces of flair, then the law should be 10 pieces of flair.

/I think there should be a requirement of five years of returns for Presidential candidates. One or two years of returns when you know you're running for office don't really show much.
 
2012-08-15 04:06:28 PM
If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide. Why do you want privacy?

If you aren't doing anything wrong on your taxes, you have nothing to hide? Why do you want privacy?

It's just taxes people, sheesh! It's not long it's a birth certificate or something really crucial.
 
2012-08-15 04:08:19 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Yeah, she's out of touch, of that there is no doubt. But your tirade against her was something else, woah! I'm just saying she's out of touch, and should be mocked for it, as I guarantee neither could do an honest days work in an office, or God forbid, outdoors doing manual labor, but I don't think that automatically qualifies her as descriptive as you have gone off.


It must be hard white-knighting for Leona Helmsley.
 
2012-08-15 04:09:42 PM

Buffalo77: thismomentinblackhistory


The fact that he showed McCain so many tax returns to cross the threshold of being a VP candidate, and won't release the same to the electorate, simply doesn't pass the smell test.

Could also be that it's none of your farking business.


It's been our farking business since his daddy started the tradition.

What do you hope to accomplish by seeing his tax returns. You already know what's in them. If there were anything illegal, IRS would have nailed him.

There was an amnesty in 2009. They probably did nail him, just with fines, not jail time.
 
2012-08-15 04:10:19 PM
Why isn't the Obama campaign putting pressure on Romney on this issue? It feels like Obama is giving him a pass on not releasing tax returns.
 
2012-08-15 04:10:42 PM
I can't wait 'til people get my college transcripts to discover that I liked to sleep through classes in my teens, and that I took really, really hard classes the rest of my years. These two things are probably the most important indicators of who I am as an adult -- hell, as an entire human being! Not a day goes by where this doesn't affect all of my life decisions now that I've grown up and all. Every job interview I've ever had, I had to go through all of my college classes, explain why I took them, and why I got the grade I did. I remember specifically in my first IT job how that poor grade in my first feminist philosophy class was the primary differentiation between applicants! I tell you what, I'm not hiring any damned fool who graduated with less than a 5.0 GPA or at least a GED in law!
 
2012-08-15 04:11:11 PM

SphericalTime: The problem is . . . now that Romney's repeatedly refused to release his taxes, at some point something will leak, and it'll be an even larger scandal than if he'd made them public himself because he'll have been trying to hide it.


You know how old Mitt played practical jokes to humiliate and belittle people during his younger years? Somehow I don't think Romney changed his ways when he reached the business world. I can picture him making a secretary look stupid to impress his business buddies or putting a lower-level office worker on the spot to scare him and pump up his own alpha male dominence.

Romney had better hope that none of those people have any direct knowledge of his tax returns and no fear of a non-disclosure agreement, otherwise an October Surprise may just make the month an interesting time for him.
 
2012-08-15 04:11:44 PM

Soup4Bonnie: "There's going to be no more tax releases given."

It's ok with me if you want a cloud over your head until November, lady, but this ain't going away.


Ah, the passive voice! Truly the linguistic tool of the completely honest!
 
2012-08-15 04:12:40 PM

Buffalo77: thismomentinblackhistory


The fact that he showed McCain so many tax returns to cross the threshold of being a VP candidate, and won't release the same to the electorate, simply doesn't pass the smell test.

Could also be that it's none of your farking business.

What do you hope to accomplish by seeing his tax returns. You already know what's in them. If there were anything illegal, IRS would have nailed him.

So what's your purpose. Are you going to determine his effective tax rate was less than 20% and then attempt to use that as a point against him with the more feeble minded voters.

BRRRR... not going to play that game.


I don't think the issue is whether or not he did anything illegal. The issue is that current laws allow him to pay a very low effective tax rate, and if he gets elected president, he will try to change current laws so he can pay even less.

But I guess you're right, only feeble-minded liberals think that this is an issue.

Forbes says Romney should been have prepared for this tax question since 2007 when he announced his first bid for the presidency.

"I was a little surprised that he was flat-footed during the primaries that he didn't have this all squared away," Forbes says in an interview with The Daily Ticker.


Link
 
2012-08-15 04:14:56 PM

Mugato: Does anyone else think that Romney is a farking asshole just for dragging that wife of his who has a condition that is known to be aggravated by stress into the world of a Presidential election? I couldn't imagine doing that to a woman I Ioved.


It's not a happy marriage. That's my gut feeling on that.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 04:15:53 PM

Cubansaltyballs: HST's Dead Carcass: Wow! Just because she's out of touch with regular humans, you go off on this huge rant? I honestly don't see her as such a tyrannical human stepping on the little folks, but more of a product of her environment. You should see the kids these people are raising, they have some instragram twitterfeed about their lives. They're all out of touch, and perhaps a bit coarse because of their lack of suffering, but I don't think they're nearly as bad as you seem to think.

That's not an excuse. Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and hundreds of other people have 100x the money she could ever imagine and they don't treat people like equipment.

She does it because she's never worked a day in her life and tells herself that she's better than the rest of us because we have to work to feed ourselves.


No, people like that simply have no concept of living any other way, it's totally outside of their experience. They really believe that the peasants are happy and love having their betters looking after their interests. If they didn't they would just pull themselves up by their bootstraps, just like her people did.
 
2012-08-15 04:16:14 PM

Cubansaltyballs: Kome: Yea. Sponsored by, of all people, a politics-tab troll (some DUDE concerned about the ENVIROnment... if'n you catch my drift). With no explanation as to why, either.

If you buy a year of TF, they give you some free credits for TF or something. I handed them out randomly to people who made me laugh.

So, dance monkey!! if you want to keep your free TF!


did envirodude just out his alt?
 
2012-08-15 04:16:38 PM

Bmore O's: Why isn't the Obama campaign putting pressure on Romney on this issue? It feels like Obama is giving him a pass on not releasing tax returns.


Why should they? Between surrogates hitting them, and then the Romney campaign making unforced errors like this shiatty ass interview I'm not sure what else they can do.

An alternate line of thinking is they're waiting until after the convention and he has the official nomination to just go nuclear on him. Hit him when people are paying attention the most and that sort of thing. Until then you just come after him each day with something new to keep him off balance.
 
2012-08-15 04:17:25 PM
"It's been managed by a blind trust since before Mitt was governor, you know, 2002 forward," she told Morales. "And so, you know, I'll be curious to see what's in there too."

Ann farking Romney wants to see his taxes.
 
2012-08-15 04:17:56 PM

HighOnCraic: Buffalo77: thismomentinblackhistory


The fact that he showed McCain so many tax returns to cross the threshold of being a VP candidate, and won't release the same to the electorate, simply doesn't pass the smell test.

Could also be that it's none of your farking business.

What do you hope to accomplish by seeing his tax returns. You already know what's in them. If there were anything illegal, IRS would have nailed him.

So what's your purpose. Are you going to determine his effective tax rate was less than 20% and then attempt to use that as a point against him with the more feeble minded voters.

BRRRR... not going to play that game.

I don't think the issue is whether or not he did anything illegal. The issue is that current laws allow him to pay a very low effective tax rate, and if he gets elected president, he will try to change current laws so he can pay even less.

But I guess you're right, only feeble-minded liberals think that this is an issue.

Forbes says Romney should been have prepared for this tax question since 2007 when he announced his first bid for the presidency.

"I was a little surprised that he was flat-footed during the primaries that he didn't have this all squared away," Forbes says in an interview with The Daily Ticker.


Link


Link
 
2012-08-15 04:18:47 PM

Slives: Should we start a betting pool on what is actually in there? I am betting that somehow he was continuing to write-off expenses from his time with the Salt Lake Olympics for several years after the Olympics were done. How much depreciation do you think he claimed on the buildings that built for that?


Amnesty.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 04:19:07 PM

Buffalo77: thismomentinblackhistory


The fact that he showed McCain so many tax returns to cross the threshold of being a VP candidate, and won't release the same to the electorate, simply doesn't pass the smell test.

Could also be that it's none of your farking business.

What do you hope to accomplish by seeing his tax returns. You already know what's in them. If there were anything illegal, IRS would have nailed him.

So what's your purpose. Are you going to determine his effective tax rate was less than 20% and then attempt to use that as a point against him with the more feeble minded voters.
.


Unless he took advantage of the amnesty for people with secret Swiss bank accounts in 2009, which is oddly the year he won't release.

If he was a tax evader who avoided prosecution by cutting a deal with the IRS then he isn't fit to be President.
 
2012-08-15 04:19:16 PM

sprawl15: Which would prove Harry Reid a liar therefore Palin is automatically Chariman of the Fed and Pelosi has to get a sex change operation.


Chairman of the Bed and also,

more like Mancy Pelosi am I right
 
MFK
2012-08-15 04:19:35 PM

xanadian: FTFA: "It's been managed by a blind trust since before Mitt was governor, you know, 2002 forward," she (Mitt's wife) told Morales. "And so, you know, I'll be curious to see what's in there too."

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Now THAT is comedy!


if only there was some way where we could all... you know... find out what's in there.
 
2012-08-15 04:20:10 PM
She doesn't want you people to see how much she claimed on mayoneggs.
 
2012-08-15 04:20:29 PM

Cubansaltyballs: Kome: Yea. Sponsored by, of all people, a politics-tab troll (some DUDE concerned about the ENVIROnment... if'n you catch my drift). With no explanation as to why, either.

If you buy a year of TF, they give you some free credits for TF or something. I handed them out randomly to people who made me laugh.

So, dance monkey!! if you want to keep your free TF!


So, wait...you're Envirodude too?
 
2012-08-15 04:22:19 PM
We definitely need a Baghdad_Ann.jpg
 
2012-08-15 04:22:59 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?

So when you question why the tax returns aren't being released, you're accused of attacking the honor of the candidate's wife.


Well, it 's not like anyone's suggesting she farked Mitt's entire team of CPAs.
 
2012-08-15 04:23:16 PM

mainsail: Cubansaltyballs: Kome: Yea. Sponsored by, of all people, a politics-tab troll (some DUDE concerned about the ENVIROnment... if'n you catch my drift). With no explanation as to why, either.

If you buy a year of TF, they give you some free credits for TF or something. I handed them out randomly to people who made me laugh.

So, dance monkey!! if you want to keep your free TF!

So, wait...you're Envirodude too?


I mentioned this up thread. seem he has outed his alt.
farker trolls both sides of the street.
 
2012-08-15 04:24:28 PM

vpb: Marcus Aurelius: Has Mitt even released one full year yet?

I get the feeling that his 2009 return is a steaming pile of outrage.

No he says that he released two years because he has promised to release 2011 in October.


I guessing on Halloween. Trick or treat? And he still has yet to release a full year of taxes. Will he release the withheld portion of his previous "one year's" tax forms in October? And will it be handled bungled in typical Mitt Romney Campaign swamp fashion? So that the "oh, you meant those pages too" pieces of his taxes eventually come out on the day before the election.
 
2012-08-15 04:25:13 PM

lennavan: When pressed by Morales, Mrs. Romney stood her ground. "We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us," she said. "There's going to be no more tax releases given."

Mrs. Romney said if they release any more information, "it will only give them more ammunition."

In regards to their finances, she said "there's nothing we're hiding."

I think we are talking about different things here. We're not suggesting you are doing anything illegal. I have no doubt you have followed the letter of the law to a T. What we're interested in seeing is exactly how many different loopholes you have utilized in order to reduce your tax burden. The reason that is relevant is because when we discuss closing tax loopholes in the future, I want to know which ones you currently enjoy and have a discussion of whether or not you intend to close those.

You're not hiding anything illegal. You're hiding things you currently use that should they make the light of day to the public might become illegal.


So. Much. This.
 
2012-08-15 04:26:31 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Yeah, she's out of touch, of that there is no doubt.


It's not that she's out of touch. It's that her entire lifestyle is supported by screwing over other people. And not only does she not give a shiat about those consequences, she's actively lying to America's face by trying to pretend that she has even the slightest bit of insight as to what life might be like to those of us not born with silver spoons in our mouths.

She's a vile woman who either needs to come out as part of her husband's campaign team already, or keep her damn whore mouth shut if she doesn't want to be "attacked."
 
2012-08-15 04:26:35 PM

TrollingForColumbine: did envirodude just out his alt?


I don't f*cking think so. I got a some of those free TF voucher things so I thought maybe that would explain it.
 
2012-08-15 04:27:38 PM

mainsail: So, wait...you're Envirodude too?


No, I'm not.
 
2012-08-15 04:27:49 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Cubansaltyballs: She's a real piece of sh*t. She's an entitled, smug, ignorant twat.

She thinks the little people need to work to have any dignity... while praying every day that her husband doesn't send your job somewhere else where the peasants are more desperate.

She's a horrible human being that thinks she is better than everyone else because she is wealthy. She thinks the peasant masses should toil for scraps in unregulated working conditions, just so we can have the dignity of being subservient to her.

F*ck her. She's a horrible, wretched c*nt and I hope she gets to live a long painful life with her MS.

Wow! Just because she's out of touch with regular humans, you go off on this huge rant? I honestly don't see her as such a tyrannical human stepping on the little folks, but more of a product of her environment. You should see the kids these people are raising, they have some instragram twitterfeed about their lives. They're all out of touch, and perhaps a bit coarse because of their lack of suffering, but I don't think they're nearly as bad as you seem to think.

Get some therapy before you blow a heart gasket. Wow! Being out of touch doesn't make a person vile, it makes them out of touch.


She is a classic Marie Antoinette archetype. Let them work for their dignity. Just like Marie thought the poor must have cake even if they didn't have food, she thinks people have gainful employment waiting for them if they want.
 
2012-08-15 04:29:27 PM
NEWSFLASH! Rich people are better than you and I, I just wish I knew how they put their pants on different or how they went to the bathroom different. Does their poop smell different? I've known so called rich people who were absolute pigs and were quite disgusting. This woman is so far removed from any sort of reality. I would love her and Mittens to lose everything for three months and have to live like you and I. That would make a pretty good reality show, call it "Strip the rich".
 
2012-08-15 04:29:48 PM

mainsail: So, wait...you're Envirodude too?


I'm Envirodude, and so's my wife.
 
2012-08-15 04:31:15 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?

Gonna send her to "get tough with China" too, Mitt?

Because they mistakenly believe that she connects better with "the little people" than Mitt ever could.


Is that what it is? Because she doesn't. She's just as rigid and out of touch as he is. Even more so because she's never worked outside the home. What a luxury that must be.
 
2012-08-15 04:32:42 PM

brianbankerus: Is that what it is? Because she doesn't. She's just as rigid and out of touch as he is. Even more so because she's never worked outside the home. What a luxury that must be.


You sound like you have no dignity.
 
2012-08-15 04:33:11 PM

Cubansaltyballs: HST's Dead Carcass: Yeah, she's out of touch, of that there is no doubt. But your tirade against her was something else, woah! I'm just saying she's out of touch, and should be mocked for it, as I guarantee neither could do an honest days work in an office, or God forbid, outdoors doing manual labor, but I don't think that automatically qualifies her as descriptive as you have gone off.

It must be hard white-knighting for Leona Helmsley.


I'll let you go on with your misguided rant. It's gotta suck having that much hate in your heart for someone who has done nothing to you. I'd hate to think what you'd do to someone who actually crossed you, especially if they fit into nice convenient descriptors like having an (R) after their name, or are of a certain income.

See, I used to be just like you, honest. My hatred for republicans was non-par, to the point I was threatening people with real physical assault at a convention because they quite honestly deserved a good old fashioned beatdown for their asinine comments about me and my racial background (which cemented my belief all Republicans are racists or closet racists), and after getting banned from some messageboards, I finally just gave it all up. My blood pressure was through the roof, I was raging at the smallest of things, projecting all my issues onto others and was quite a miserable person.

I'm simply saying to you: She's not worth your vitriol, and in truth, Obama is merely the other side of the same coin. The policitcal machine likes to push peoples buttons with specific issues (abortion, gun control being the biggest two), but when you look at it objectively, they are the same!

I've found the real difference between Republican and Democrat is the following: Republicans like to 'bring Freedom' to the rest of the world (i.e. invade other countries) and Democrats like to focus on America itself (not invade other countries, spend the money on social programs instead).
 
2012-08-15 04:35:04 PM
I've tried to be fair and keep an open mind, but the more she speaks, the more I really, truly dislike her.
 
2012-08-15 04:38:19 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Cubansaltyballs: HST's Dead Carcass: Yeah, she's out of touch, of that there is no doubt. But your tirade against her was something else, woah! I'm just saying she's out of touch, and should be mocked for it, as I guarantee neither could do an honest days work in an office, or God forbid, outdoors doing manual labor, but I don't think that automatically qualifies her as descriptive as you have gone off.

It must be hard white-knighting for Leona Helmsley.

I'll let you go on with your misguided rant. It's gotta suck having that much hate in your heart for someone who has done nothing to you. I'd hate to think what you'd do to someone who actually crossed you, especially if they fit into nice convenient descriptors like having an (R) after their name, or are of a certain income.

See, I used to be just like you, honest. My hatred for republicans was non-par, to the point I was threatening people with real physical assault at a convention because they quite honestly deserved a good old fashioned beatdown for their asinine comments about me and my racial background (which cemented my belief all Republicans are racists or closet racists), and after getting banned from some messageboards, I finally just gave it all up. My blood pressure was through the roof, I was raging at the smallest of things, projecting all my issues onto others and was quite a miserable person.

I'm simply saying to you: She's not worth your vitriol, and in truth, Obama is merely the other side of the same coin. The policitcal machine likes to push peoples buttons with specific issues (abortion, gun control being the biggest two), but when you look at it objectively, they are the same!

I've found the real difference between Republican and Democrat is the following: Republicans like to 'bring Freedom' to the rest of the world (i.e. invade other countries) and Democrats like to focus on America itself (not invade other countries, spend the money on social programs instead).


She's not gonna sleep with you dude.
 
2012-08-15 04:39:19 PM
What is it you're hiding, Willard? Is your deduction for the dancing therapy horse more than $77,000? Was the amount you got Swiss Bank Amnesty on more than the $100,000,000 tax-free trust you set up for your kids? Did you pay no taxes for 10 years?

What are you hiding, Willard?
 
2012-08-15 04:39:27 PM
No, I'm EnviroDude!
 
2012-08-15 04:40:25 PM
Why dont we just let the issue die? Let's just wait until the debates and see how that pans out.

No need to harp on this. We need to take the high road here.

Lead by example.

Let's talk about policy, not tax returns.

Thank you.
 
2012-08-15 04:41:03 PM

xanadian: FTFA: "It's been managed by a blind trust since before Mitt was governor, you know, 2002 forward," she (Mitt's wife) told Morales. "And so, you know, I'll be curious to see what's in there too."

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Now THAT is comedy!


Maybe not, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that mitt has managed to keep secrets from his wife. Did she know about stericycle before it came out in the news, if she did how the fark did that conversation go?

Guess how we paid for the new shoes on your dancing horse?

Dead babies, that's right honey we are making bank by dissecting dead babies and burning the parts we can't sell!

No I don't think mitts money makers are a topic at the dinner table.
 
2012-08-15 04:42:23 PM

mrshowrules: She is a classic Marie Antoinette archetype. Let them work for their dignity. Just like Marie thought the poor must have cake even if they didn't have food, she thinks people have gainful employment waiting for them if they want.


That's my entire point: I pity that woman. That's all the thought I give her, because she's not worth much more. When people crawl out of their skin with demonic hatred towards these faux celebrities and politicians, it's bothersome to think someone out there is giving such a worthless creature so much rented space in their head! There HAS to be something else better to occupy one's time with.

I'm beneath her, of that there is no doubt. Were this country to devolve into anarchy, chaos and zombie Armageddon, I'd open my door to her, as I'm just not that concerned about who she is, what she represents or what her beliefs are, she's another human being that's done me no personal harm.

That fat fark from the other messageboard that said my people got what they deserved and he's happy diseases killed us off to save the Cavalry money... oh yeah, he still has a beatdown coming to him...
 
2012-08-15 04:42:48 PM
If I was Envirodude, I'd have smothered myself by now.
 
2012-08-15 04:45:07 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: mrshowrules: She is a classic Marie Antoinette archetype. Let them work for their dignity. Just like Marie thought the poor must have cake even if they didn't have food, she thinks people have gainful employment waiting for them if they want.

That's my entire point: I pity that woman. That's all the thought I give her, because she's not worth much more. When people crawl out of their skin with demonic hatred towards these faux celebrities and politicians, it's bothersome to think someone out there is giving such a worthless creature so much rented space in their head! There HAS to be something else better to occupy one's time with.

I'm beneath her, of that there is no doubt. Were this country to devolve into anarchy, chaos and zombie Armageddon, I'd open my door to her, as I'm just not that concerned about who she is, what she represents or what her beliefs are, she's another human being that's done me no personal harm.

That fat fark from the other messageboard that said my people got what they deserved and he's happy diseases killed us off to save the Cavalry money... oh yeah, he still has a beatdown coming to him...


How much dope are you on, Hophead?

sky-today.com
 
2012-08-15 04:46:37 PM

Cubansaltyballs: brianbankerus: Is that what it is? Because she doesn't. She's just as rigid and out of touch as he is. Even more so because she's never worked outside the home. What a luxury that must be.

You sound like you have no dignity.


I don't get it.
 
2012-08-15 04:47:08 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: Why dont we just let the issue die? Let's just wait until the debates and see how that pans out.

No need to harp on this. We need to take the high road here.

Lead by example.

Let's talk about policy, not tax returns.

Thank you.


Taxes are policy. Willard claims he, and rich guys like himself, is too burdened by taxes and needs be given a large tax cut. He can show us exactly how burdensome US taxes are on him by showing us his returns.
 
2012-08-15 04:47:13 PM

gotons: If I was Envirodude, I'd have smothered myself by now.


If I was Envirodude, I'd be drunk out of my skull all the time.

Wait, what if I am Envirodude, and I don't remember because I blacked out from all the drinking?
 
2012-08-15 04:48:07 PM

impaler: "Beyond paying or taxes, we give 10% of our income to, to charity."

You mean the Mormon church.




And by income, you mean the most overvalued stock that you have.
 
2012-08-15 04:48:21 PM

coco ebert: It's not a happy marriage. That's my gut feeling on that.


No marriages with Multiple Sclerosis are. One of my parents has had it for 30+ years and I'm amazed that they're still together. I have a friend who works in nursing homes and she says that the vast majority of MS couples separate within the first couple of years.
 
2012-08-15 04:48:49 PM

physt: Where are all the Romney supporters in this thread?




They are tired.
 
2012-08-15 04:49:14 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-15 04:49:42 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: gotons: If I was Envirodude, I'd have smothered myself by now.

If I was Envirodude, I'd be drunk out of my skull all the time.

Wait, what if I am Envirodude, and I don't remember because I blacked out from all the drinking?


Is it like an altered state, where you get hammered and pretend to be a pretentious dick? That could be cool...
 
2012-08-15 04:51:16 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: mrshowrules: She is a classic Marie Antoinette archetype. Let them work for their dignity. Just like Marie thought the poor must have cake even if they didn't have food, she thinks people have gainful employment waiting for them if they want.

That's my entire point: I pity that woman. That's all the thought I give her, because she's not worth much more. When people crawl out of their skin with demonic hatred towards these faux celebrities and politicians, it's bothersome to think someone out there is giving such a worthless creature so much rented space in their head! There HAS to be something else better to occupy one's time with.

I'm beneath her, of that there is no doubt. Were this country to devolve into anarchy, chaos and zombie Armageddon, I'd open my door to her, as I'm just not that concerned about who she is, what she represents or what her beliefs are, she's another human being that's done me no personal harm.

That fat fark from the other messageboard that said my people got what they deserved and he's happy diseases killed us off to save the Cavalry money... oh yeah, he still has a beatdown coming to him...


I agree. I just hope she isn't an important public figure next year and I don't think she will be and that is good enough for me. She is the classic rich person disconnected from the real world. I personally know some very rich people (very). Family friends who know how lucky they are and how tough it is for other people.

The key thing I dislike about some rich people is the sense of entitlement and the feeling that they aren't lucky and they deserve it and earned it. Ironically, the people who are wealthy because they are truly hardworking and self-made are more likely to consider themselves lucky and thank the people around them then the people who basically had it handed to them.
 
2012-08-15 04:51:17 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: That fat fark from the other messageboard that said my people got what they deserved and he's happy diseases killed us off to save the Cavalry money... oh yeah, he still has a beatdown coming to him...


Not just the cavalry.

MithrandirBooga: No marriages with Multiple Sclerosis are. One of my parents has had it for 30+ years and I'm amazed that they're still together. I have a friend who works in nursing homes and she says that the vast majority of MS couples separate within the first couple of years.


Yeah, but I doubt your friend's nursing home has a horse dancing therapy arena.
 
2012-08-15 04:52:38 PM

brianbankerus: Cubansaltyballs: brianbankerus: Is that what it is? Because she doesn't. She's just as rigid and out of touch as he is. Even more so because she's never worked outside the home. What a luxury that must be.

You sound like you have no dignity.

I don't get it.


You see, you need to work to have dignity. She only needs to know that you need to work or you'll starve while she plays with her dressage horses to have her dignity.

Look. The point is, I was making a point and the pizza dude knocked on the door, and I forgot what point I was making and now I need to back out of this. Why won't you let me do that? Why are you so vicious? What did I ever do to you?
 
2012-08-15 04:52:56 PM

Riothamus: She's not gonna sleep with you dude.


Cubansaltyballs: How much dope are you on, Hophead?


Actually, TFD was boring this afternoon, I was caught up with my work and decided to come around to the Politics tab to start trolling. Cuban had the harshest critique, so it seemed like a good place to start, and it helped me waste the last 45 minutes of the day, so thanks, guys! Have fun with the partisan hatred, I'm off for the evening!
 
2012-08-15 04:53:37 PM

Cubansaltyballs: brianbankerus: Cubansaltyballs: brianbankerus: Is that what it is? Because she doesn't. She's just as rigid and out of touch as he is. Even more so because she's never worked outside the home. What a luxury that must be.

You sound like you have no dignity.

I don't get it.

You see, you need to work to have dignity. She only needs to know that you need to work or you'll starve while she plays with her dressage horses to have her dignity.

Look. The point is, I was making a point and the pizza dude knocked on the door, and I forgot what point I was making and now I need to back out of this. Why won't you let me do that? Why are you so vicious? What did I ever do to you?


Better not be some farking Papa John's....
 
2012-08-15 04:54:02 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: gotons: If I was Envirodude, I'd have smothered myself by now.

If I was Envirodude, I'd be drunk out of my skull all the time.

Wait, what if I am Envirodude, and I don't remember because I blacked out from all the drinking?


You went full todash. Never go full todash.
 
2012-08-15 04:54:26 PM

MithrandirBooga: No marriages with Multiple Sclerosis are. One of my parents has had it for 30+ years and I'm amazed that they're still together.


i imagine having enough money to deal with any possible issue goes a long way toward easing the burden. normal people living with MS have trouble paying the regular medical bills. The Romneys bought a 100k+ horse as part of her treatment. They live in a different world than a normal couple facing MS.
 
2012-08-15 04:54:29 PM

mrshowrules: The key thing I dislike about some rich people is the sense of entitlement and the feeling that they aren't lucky and they deserve it and earned it.


You'd never hear one say, "I've been lucky."

They haven't been lucky.

They've been deserving.

They've deserved everything they have because they've earned it.

They earned having the parents they had. They earned being born in the richest, freest country in the world. They earned having no genetic predispositions to high blood pressure, arthritis, depression, schizophrenia, cancer. They earned not being hit by a bus when they were in grade school. They earned having a roommate in college who was able to explain general relativity or Hamlet to them the night before that midterm. They earned not having the plus sign turn blue. They earned that the company they went to work for didn't go belly up when the market crashed or let them go in the round of mass layoffs that followed. They earned having children who didn't get deathly sick or have disabilities or develop emotional problems or drug habits that required them to take their focus off their jobs, take time off work, and cause their bosses to say, "We feel your pain, but we can't afford to carry you anymore if you're not here to pull your weight. Here's your hat, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Make sure you give your cell phone to security. And, no, we don't have any idea what you're going to do about insurance now and we don't care and we don't have to care and anyway you should have planned better. You should have saved more. You should have worked harder. You should have been lucky...You should have deserved not to have what's happened to you happen to you."

They deserve it. They earned it. You? You didn't. If you had, you'd have it. QED. And what you didn't earn and don't deserve, you don't get. Simple as that. Link
 
2012-08-15 04:55:16 PM
QUEEN ANN HAS SPOKEN!!
 
2012-08-15 04:55:41 PM

gotons: Better not be some farking Papa John's....


Actually it was. The pizza hut guy takes an 60-70 mins to deliver to me and the Papa Johns people are here in under 30.
 
2012-08-15 04:57:11 PM

brianbankerus: The My Little Pony Killer: Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?

Gonna send her to "get tough with China" too, Mitt?

Because they mistakenly believe that she connects better with "the little people" than Mitt ever could.

Is that what it is? Because she doesn't. She's just as rigid and out of touch as he is. Even more so because she's never worked outside the home. What a luxury that must be.


Hey, she stayed home and raised five boys (with the help of a staff). OMG I AM OUTRAGED AT YOUR STATEMENT.
 
2012-08-15 04:57:53 PM

Cubansaltyballs: gotons: Better not be some farking Papa John's....

Actually it was. The pizza hut guy takes an 60-70 mins to deliver to me and the Papa Johns people are here in under 30.


Yeah, I won't lie. I dig some Papa John's. I think the next time I get some pizza, I'm going to add .14 cents to it and have special instructions that say, "get the delivery guy some insurance"
 
2012-08-15 04:58:49 PM

BunkoSquad: Ann Romney: We're not hiding anything, but you people can't see our tax returns because you'd use them against us.


cdn.screenrant.com
 
2012-08-15 05:00:33 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: Why dont we just let the issue die? Let's just wait until the debates and see how that pans out.

No need to harp on this. We need to take the high road here.

Lead by example.

Let's talk about policy, not tax returns.

Thank you.


We are talking about policy. Romney thinks the rich pay too much in taxes. His tax returns will show us just how much the rich really pay in taxes. This will either support his assertion or make him look like a liar. That will directly influence our discussion on his tax policy.
 
2012-08-15 05:02:48 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?

So when you question why the tax returns aren't being released, you're accused of attacking the honor of the candidate's wife.


That only works IF the wife in question ISN'T a snotty plastic freak.
 
2012-08-15 05:03:48 PM

rufus-t-firefly: brianbankerus: The My Little Pony Killer: Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?

Gonna send her to "get tough with China" too, Mitt?

Because they mistakenly believe that she connects better with "the little people" than Mitt ever could.

Is that what it is? Because she doesn't. She's just as rigid and out of touch as he is. Even more so because she's never worked outside the home. What a luxury that must be.

Hey, she stayed home and raised five boys (with the help of a staff). OMG I AM OUTRAGED AT YOUR STATEMENT.


Recall at the beginning of the campaign she was thought to be charming and effusive, especially in contrast to Mittbot. However, the more she speaks the quicker that illusion fades away and her true feelings of entitlement and utter lack of connection to those outside her environment are revealed.
 
2012-08-15 05:05:01 PM

gotons: Philip Francis Queeg: gotons: If I was Envirodude, I'd have smothered myself by now.

If I was Envirodude, I'd be drunk out of my skull all the time.

Wait, what if I am Envirodude, and I don't remember because I blacked out from all the drinking?

Is it like an altered state, where you get hammered and pretend to be a pretentious dick? That could be cool...


Derptor Jeckell and Mr. Hyde?
 
2012-08-15 05:05:50 PM

Buffalo77: thismomentinblackhistory


The fact that he showed McCain so many tax returns to cross the threshold of being a VP candidate, and won't release the same to the electorate, simply doesn't pass the smell test.

Could also be that it's none of your farking business.

What do you hope to accomplish by seeing his tax returns. You already know what's in them. If there were anything illegal, IRS would have nailed him.

So what's your purpose. Are you going to determine his effective tax rate was less than 20% and then attempt to use that as a point against him with the more feeble minded voters.

BRRRR... not going to play that game.


As it has been pointed out, this is already a lose/lose situation for Romney. The point I was making is that McCain thought they were relevant in determining his fitness for office.

Are we not also entitled to the standard practice of viewing income tax returns, as we are now determining his fitness for office? If they don't matter, why did Ryan have to show Romney several years worth -- ESPECIALLY since we can already guess that neither Romney nor Ryan will be releasing multiple years?
 
2012-08-15 05:06:16 PM

gotons: Cubansaltyballs: gotons: Better not be some farking Papa John's....

Actually it was. The pizza hut guy takes an 60-70 mins to deliver to me and the Papa Johns people are here in under 30.

Yeah, I won't lie. I dig some Papa John's. I think the next time I get some pizza, I'm going to add .14 cents to it and have special instructions that say, "get the delivery guy some insurance"


I prefer Round Table, but I have to pick it up and I prefer delivery so I can tell the guy I'm a job creator.
 
2012-08-15 05:08:07 PM

theorellior: No, I'm EnviroDude!


Don't listen to these morans. I am and have always been EnviroDude.
 
2012-08-15 05:11:23 PM

Cubansaltyballs: You see, you need to work to have dignity. She only needs to know that you need to work or you'll starve while she plays with her dressage horses to have her dignity.

Look. The point is, I was making a point and the pizza dude knocked on the door, and I forgot what point I was making and now I need to back out of this. Why won't you let me do that? Why are you so vicious? What did I ever do to you?


I figured it out about 5-minutes after I posted. I forgot that quote about the dignity of getting out of the house for single moms of infants to do some work.

The good news is that Romney takes both sides on every issue, so I only disagree with about half of what he said.

And as for what you did to me? Well you got pizza, and like a jerk, didn't even offer to share. Serious dick move.

/but seriously, you've been on my favorites for a while. I have you labeled as "THAT is why Romney is a dick"... don't remember what you said, but I liked it.
 
2012-08-15 05:11:27 PM

Cubansaltyballs: I prefer Round Table, but I have to pick it up and I prefer delivery so I can tell the guy I'm a job creator.


Damn it, now I want pizza.
 
2012-08-15 05:13:01 PM
you know what libs? how about you ALL release ALL of your tax returns EVER and afterward MAYBE Mitt Romney will find it in his heart to be COURTEOUS enough to release NEARLY HALF A PAGE of ONE of his tax returns
so SUCK IT LIBS
 
2012-08-15 05:13:52 PM

WhyteRaven74: Mitt's dad is turning over in his grave.


and his progressive mother

Mitt is perfect evidence that inheritance taxes should be closer to 100%. Would Mitt be as much of an amoral tool if he started out life with more of an even playing field?
 
2012-08-15 05:15:01 PM
About two hundred miles away from the Greenwich, England, arena where her purebred horse Rafalca competed in the London Olympics, Ann Romney stroked the nose of Magic, a Welsh pony.

*snicker*

Way to set that down-home folksy atmosphere for the interview there, Ann. Bang up job!
 
2012-08-15 05:15:46 PM

tlchwi02: MithrandirBooga: No marriages with Multiple Sclerosis are. One of my parents has had it for 30+ years and I'm amazed that they're still together.

i imagine having enough money to deal with any possible issue goes a long way toward easing the burden. normal people living with MS have trouble paying the regular medical bills. The Romneys bought a 100k+ horse as part of her treatment. They live in a different world than a normal couple facing MS.


Yes, pretty much. The dancing horse pisses me off to no end. My parents voluntarily thin out the interferon doses to save money because they are so unbelievably expensive. Because of Obamacare we are finally able to get them back on insurance without them claiming "lol preexisting condition". Romney's claim that he will repeal Obamacare on day one means my parents go back to bankruptcy almost immediately. But hey, at least I'll sleep soundly knowing that some rich fark like Romney will be paying even less in taxes than before.

fark Romney. fark Ryan. fark Republicans.
 
2012-08-15 05:15:49 PM
If he does release them, unlikely as that may be, can we all agree to leave photoshop out of any ensuing discussion?
 
2012-08-15 05:18:41 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Has Mitt even released one full year yet?

I get the feeling that his 2009 return is a steaming pile of outrage.


Almost like.. a forgery?
 
2012-08-15 05:19:41 PM
Crazy thought time...What if Mittens is keeping the tax returns secret to protect his wife and she's getting all defensive because she knows she'd be royally screwed if they were made public.

I know, it's derpy, but thought I'd throw it out there.
 
2012-08-15 05:21:43 PM

MithrandirBooga: tlchwi02: MithrandirBooga: No marriages with Multiple Sclerosis are. One of my parents has had it for 30+ years and I'm amazed that they're still together.

i imagine having enough money to deal with any possible issue goes a long way toward easing the burden. normal people living with MS have trouble paying the regular medical bills. The Romneys bought a 100k+ horse as part of her treatment. They live in a different world than a normal couple facing MS.

Yes, pretty much. The dancing horse pisses me off to no end. My parents voluntarily thin out the interferon doses to save money because they are so unbelievably expensive. Because of Obamacare we are finally able to get them back on insurance without them claiming "lol preexisting condition". Romney's claim that he will repeal Obamacare on day one means my parents go back to bankruptcy almost immediately. But hey, at least I'll sleep soundly knowing that some rich fark like Romney will be paying even less in taxes than before.

fark Romney. fark Ryan. fark Republicans.


And fark Republican supporters. Seriously, they want people to suffer and bow down to the hierarchy the rich want of poor equaling scum while boasting about 'American Freedom,' whatever the fark it means to them.
 
2012-08-15 05:21:58 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: If he does release them, unlikely as that may be, can we all agree to leave photoshop out of any ensuing discussion?


That's an interesting dilemma. Assuming he even releases them how on Earth do we know they (as well as Obamas) are accurate? Does the IRS look them over and say "Yes, these are real tax returns"? Or are they not allowed to confirm anything?

Given how vehemently Romney is refusing to release, it will look very suspicious if he suddenly changes his mind down the road. If there turns out to be nothing in them, then why fight the release for so long?
 
2012-08-15 05:23:51 PM

Mentat: Like a birth certificate?


Or college transcripts?
 
2012-08-15 05:28:09 PM

WhyteRaven74: Mitt's dad is turning over in his grave.


The wrong Romney died.
 
2012-08-15 05:28:50 PM

ManateeGag: Crazy thought time...What if Mittens is keeping the tax returns secret to protect his wife and she's getting all defensive because she knows she'd be royally screwed if they were made public.

I know, it's derpy, but thought I'd throw it out there.


I figure it will show tons of nannies, making her "how dare you say stay-at-home moms don't work!" poutrage look quite silly - among other things.
 
2012-08-15 05:30:46 PM
Since the only people that care about this are far left liberals or the regular fark derp brigade, you won't be seeing his tax returns anytime soon.
 
2012-08-15 05:33:56 PM

beta_plus: Mentat: Like a birth certificate?

Or college transcripts?


Yea, that's worse than not following the long-standing tradition of releasing several years of returns that has been followed by every presidential candidate since the 60s while running on a platform arguing for additional tax breaks for myself.

Or at least just as bad, right?
 
2012-08-15 05:34:05 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Wait, what if I am Envirodude, and I don't remember because I blacked out from all the drinking?


"Ambien Walrus, are you sure I should be calling people Nazi sochalest libtards on Fark?"

"No, you should add that they hate America and are dirty hippies."

"Oh, yeah, thanks!"
 
2012-08-15 05:39:33 PM
Dear Ann Romney, please keep speaking your mind on anything you like up until election day. You are being such a big help... for the Democrats.

Mitt found someone just as horrible as he is.
 
2012-08-15 05:39:55 PM

skipjack: Since the only people that care about this are far left liberals or the regular fark derp brigade, you won't be seeing his tax returns anytime soon.


The calm before the storm, my friend.
 
2012-08-15 05:40:27 PM

skipjack: Since the only people that care about this are far left liberals or the regular fark derp brigade, you won't be seeing his tax returns anytime soon.


The Ghost of Romneys Past cares.

"It's time the biggest-taxing senator in Washington shows the people of Massachusetts how much [Ted Kennedy] pays in taxes,"

- Mitt Romney, April 1994
 
2012-08-15 05:41:48 PM

Lando Lincoln: skipjack: Since the only people that care about this are far left liberals or the regular fark derp brigade, you won't be seeing his tax returns anytime soon.

The Ghost of Romneys Past cares.

"It's time the biggest-taxing senator in Washington shows the people of Massachusetts how much [Ted Kennedy] pays in taxes,"

- Mitt Romney, April 1994


Retroactively something something...
 
2012-08-15 05:43:45 PM

ManateeGag: Crazy thought time...What if Mittens is keeping the tax returns secret to protect his wife and she's getting all defensive because she knows she'd be royally screwed if they were made public.

I know, it's derpy, but thought I'd throw it out there.


I get the feeling him and Ryan are trying to establish a whole new tradition. 2 years, partial returns, that's it. If they get elected, hey, guess what, candidates only have to do that much from now on!

Also, this is a thought that occurred to me after reading another Farker's post regarding Romney hooking McCain up with something like 20 years worth of returns (please correct me if I'm wrong on that number). If they're as squeaky clean as Romney claims they are, why hasn't McCain confirmed that? He could be shouting that left and right, putting the issue more or less to bed, but all McCain has said is basically 'yep, I saw them, Palin was the better choice.'
 
2012-08-15 05:45:02 PM

SphericalTime: The problem is . . . now that Romney's repeatedly refused to release his taxes, at some point something will leak, and it'll be an even larger scandal than if he'd made them public himself because he'll have been trying to hide it.


There's speculation that his tax returns have leaked, that Harry Reid wasn't taking it on faith from an anonymous source that R-Money didn't pay taxes. They can't release them as then the question arises as to where they came from (McCain's campaign) but they can keep asking questions which they know R-Money can't answer.
 
2012-08-15 05:49:54 PM

Befuddled: SphericalTime: The problem is . . . now that Romney's repeatedly refused to release his taxes, at some point something will leak, and it'll be an even larger scandal than if he'd made them public himself because he'll have been trying to hide it.

There's speculation that his tax returns have leaked, that Harry Reid wasn't taking it on faith from an anonymous source that R-Money didn't pay taxes. They can't release them as then the question arises as to where they came from (McCain's campaign) but they can keep asking questions which they know R-Money can't answer.


What are the odds that come October (when it would hurt them the most, potentially), an overzealous staffer "accidentally" leaks them? I get the feeling that they're the worst kept secret in Washington. McCain obviously saw some of them. I'm sure some of the higher ups working with McCain on his campaign also saw them.
 
2012-08-15 05:50:25 PM

Befuddled: SphericalTime: The problem is . . . now that Romney's repeatedly refused to release his taxes, at some point something will leak, and it'll be an even larger scandal than if he'd made them public himself because he'll have been trying to hide it.

There's speculation that his tax returns have leaked, that Harry Reid wasn't taking it on faith from an anonymous source that R-Money didn't pay taxes. They can't release them as then the question arises as to where they came from (McCain's campaign) but they can keep asking questions which they know R-Money can't answer.


I'd bet $10,000 that McCain was Reid's source. They go back 30 years in the senate and neither one of them likes Romney.
 
2012-08-15 05:50:46 PM
Show me the OVDI!
 
2012-08-15 05:51:26 PM

Mugato: Does anyone else think that Romney is a farking asshole just for dragging that wife of his who has a condition that is known to be aggravated by stress into the world of a Presidential election? I couldn't imagine doing that to a woman I Ioved.


He has no social skills and anything his wife says can be discounted by her disease.
 
2012-08-15 05:52:09 PM

NeoCortex42: McCain obviously saw some of them. I'm sure some of the higher ups working with McCain on his campaign also saw them.


Romney better hope that Palin didn't see them. She'd talk about the worst things while trying to defend him.
 
2012-08-15 05:53:03 PM

NeoCortex42: What are the odds that come October (when it would hurt them the most, potentially), an overzealous staffer "accidentally" leaks them? I get the feeling that they're the worst kept secret in Washington. McCain obviously saw some of them. I'm sure some of the higher ups working with McCain on his campaign also saw them.


Remember... the stage is already set to discuss tax returns in Oct. Mitt Money got an extension of his 2011 taxes and promised to release them when they're ready... in October.

So even if the conversation dies down a bit in Aug/Sept, the narrative will be set that Mitt Romney is hiding something, and then the whole issue will come right back up again in October.
 
2012-08-15 05:53:16 PM

what_now: MITT ROMNEY: DOING WHAT IS LEGALLY REQUIRED. PROBABLY. WE GUESS.

 
2012-08-15 05:53:27 PM

Baby Face Fister: NEWSFLASH! Rich people are better than you and I, I just wish I knew how they put their pants on different or how they went to the bathroom different. Does their poop smell different? I've known so called rich people who were absolute pigs and were quite disgusting. This woman is so far removed from any sort of reality. I would love her and Mittens to lose everything for three months and have to live like you and I. That would make a pretty good reality show, call it "Strip the rich".


I would SO watch that.
 
2012-08-15 05:54:19 PM
Why the fark do they keep saying this? It just makes it worse, not better. Holy hell are these people disconnected from reality.
 
2012-08-15 06:00:38 PM

SurfaceTension: They've had a year to get out in front of any issues with the tax returns. What's in there MUST be a doozy.


One year? The guy has been running for public office since he ran against Kennedy in 1994. He's had 18 years to clean up his tax returns.
 
2012-08-15 06:01:27 PM
The more I read about how blind trusts are supposed to be more ethical than disclosed investments, the more I keep thinking that we live in a universe designed to give people like me aneurysms.
 
2012-08-15 06:06:54 PM

what_now: MITT ROMNEY: DOING WHAT IS LEGALLY REQUIRED.



You know who else did what was legally required? Jo Paterno. And what happened? A bunch of innocent people got farked.

/do not trust those that only do what is legally required.
 
2012-08-15 06:07:35 PM

Philip Francis Queeg



Buffalo77: So what's your purpose. Are you going to determine his effective tax rate was less than 20% and then attempt to use that as a point against him with the more feeble minded voters.

We should all be happy to pay a higher percentage of our income in taxes than a great man like Mitt Romney. In fact he deserves the 0.82% rate that the Romney/Ryan plan promises him.


Keep swinging, maybe one day someone will get the point you are trying to make.
 
2012-08-15 06:16:49 PM

Buffalo77: Philip Francis Queeg


Buffalo77: So what's your purpose. Are you going to determine his effective tax rate was less than 20% and then attempt to use that as a point against him with the more feeble minded voters.

We should all be happy to pay a higher percentage of our income in taxes than a great man like Mitt Romney. In fact he deserves the 0.82% rate that the Romney/Ryan plan promises him.

Keep swinging, maybe one day someone will get the point you are trying to make.


Well here's Romney's problem: his entire campaign is "I pay too much in taxes, we need to lower my taxes for the good of the economy." Which is fine, the problem is that the people want to know how much he does pay in taxes so we can determine whether we agree with his statement or not and act accordingly in the voting booth.
 
2012-08-15 06:18:34 PM
What if Romney is saving the returns for an October surprise? The plan would be to goad the Obama campaign and the media into hammering on him for a couple of months for his refusal to release the returns, then release them in mid-October with a big show of victimhood, let everyone see there's nothing shocking in the returns, and then pound back on Obama and the media for making a fuss about nothing.

//only works if there's actually nothing embarassing in the returns
/high-risk strategy, but pretending to be long-suffering seems to be one of his acts, and it would fit right in
 
2012-08-15 06:22:39 PM
thismomentinblackhistory


Buffalo77: thismomentinblackhistory


The fact that he showed McCain so many tax returns to cross the threshold of being a VP candidate, and won't release the same to the electorate, simply doesn't pass the smell test.

Could also be that it's none of your farking business.

What do you hope to accomplish by seeing his tax returns. You already know what's in them. If there were anything illegal, IRS would have nailed him.

So what's your purpose. Are you going to determine his effective tax rate was less than 20% and then attempt to use that as a point against him with the more feeble minded voters.

BRRRR... not going to play that game.

As it has been pointed out, this is already a lose/lose situation for Romney. The point I was making is that McCain thought they were relevant in determining his fitness for office.

Are we not also entitled to the standard practice of viewing income tax returns, as we are now determining his fitness for office? If they don't matter, why did Ryan have to show Romney several years worth -- ESPECIALLY since we can already guess that neither Romney nor Ryan will be releasing multiple years?


No you are not entitled to them. Standard practice, where did you get that BS. Explain to me how looking at his tax returns determines his fitness for office.

We already determined that personal lives don't matter when it comes to politics. At least that was the argument I heard from the left when Clinton was getting BJs in the Oval Office. If he did something illegal, then we have IRS to pursue that.

Now don't be coy, tell us why you want to see his tax returns. Is it to see how well he did investing his money. Oh look Romney made $30 million this year on his investments, boy he is really smart. Oh look he donated $6 million to charities and the Mormon church, he really is a compassionate man looking out for his fellow man and his church. Wow, he paid $4 million in taxes to the government, boy that seems like more than his fair share, that's a lot of money.

No, you want to do something like "Ha, he gave 3 million to the Mormons, isn't that a cult, what would Jesus say about that" or "He paid less than 17% in taxes, that's too low, Pay your fair share Mormon boy." All the while attempting to rile up the idiots who don't understand the tax code nor do they pay any FIT at all themselves (up to 51% of population now).

I guess that's the transparency we get from the libs. Now how bout Obama releasing his transcripts from School, that is relevant.
 
2012-08-15 06:22:57 PM

Raoul Eaton: What if Romney is saving the returns for an October surprise? The plan would be to goad the Obama campaign and the media into hammering on him for a couple of months for his refusal to release the returns, then release them in mid-October with a big show of victimhood, let everyone see there's nothing shocking in the returns, and then pound back on Obama and the media for making a fuss about nothing.

//only works if there's actually nothing embarassing in the returns
/high-risk strategy, but pretending to be long-suffering seems to be one of his acts, and it would fit right in


I can easily see Obama aikido-ing this back on him with a simple, "There, that wasn't so hard now, was it Mitt? Now we can talk about this budget proposal of yours..."
 
2012-08-15 06:25:01 PM

Buffalo77: I guess that's the transparency we get from the libs. Now how bout Obama releasing his transcripts from School, that is relevant.


Meh really overplayed your hand by going into birther derp.
 
2012-08-15 06:30:11 PM
The Homer Tax

Well here's Romney's problem: his entire campaign is "I pay too much in taxes, we need to lower my taxes for the good of the economy." Which is fine, the problem is that the people want to know how much he does pay in taxes so we can determine whether we agree with his statement or not and act accordingly in the voting booth.

Sorry I disagree with your premise. His entire campaign is not "I pay too much in taxes" (I would be hard pressed to find that quote but if you can provide a reference I would appreciate it)

He is saying he wants to simplfy the tax code thereby freeing up regulations and restrictions on business which will then get the economy moving.

There are other aspects but "His entire campaign is 'I pay too much in taxes'" is not one of them.
 
2012-08-15 06:34:06 PM
Halli


Buffalo77: I guess that's the transparency we get from the libs. Now how bout Obama releasing his transcripts from School, that is relevant.

Meh really overplayed your hand by going into birther derp.



Well, well, well.

One of you enters the fray.

Birther derp, how quaint.

I see you see things that aren't there or your reading comprehension is not as good as it should be.

Transcripts not birth certificate.

I apologize if that was your standard response to any issue and I did not recognize it as such.
 
2012-08-15 06:38:43 PM
One of you enters the fray.

It's more like watching you miss your mouth with a spoonful of strained peas than a fray.
 
2012-08-15 06:39:55 PM
Transcripts are the new thing the birthers want. They tend to have a lot of crazy conspiracy theories about Obama being a foreigner.
 
2012-08-15 06:43:43 PM
It's like watching a retard version of "Housewives of Beverly Hills" or whatever. It's worse because those worthless turds don't have a shot at getting into the White House.

She married into third base and thinks she hit a home run.
 
2012-08-15 06:45:58 PM

Buffalo77: The Homer Tax

Well here's Romney's problem: his entire campaign is "I pay too much in taxes, we need to lower my taxes for the good of the economy." Which is fine, the problem is that the people want to know how much he does pay in taxes so we can determine whether we agree with his statement or not and act accordingly in the voting booth.

Sorry I disagree with your premise. His entire campaign is not "I pay too much in taxes" (I would be hard pressed to find that quote but if you can provide a reference I would appreciate it)

He is saying he wants to simplfy the tax code thereby freeing up regulations and restrictions on business which will then get the economy moving.

There are other aspects but "His entire campaign is 'I pay too much in taxes'" is not one of them.


You're actually denying the premise that Romneys campaign is based around the notion that the wealthy need lower taxes for the good of the economy? It's literally one of the principle tenants of his platform.

I mistook you for someone who wanted to engage in intellectually honest discussion, my mistake.
 
2012-08-15 07:02:40 PM
skipjack

Since the only people that care about this are far left liberals or the regular fark derp brigade, you won't be seeing his tax returns anytime soon.

I think you're totally right, which is why the candidates wife was on ABC talking about it just this morning! And why every Sunday news show that had one of Romney's former VP candidates asked over and over about how how many years of returns they were asked to provide the Romney campaign.

If nobody truly gave a shiat about it, you wouldn't see near-daily stories on the subject in August....
 
2012-08-15 07:12:50 PM


Birther derp, how quaint.

I see you see things that aren't there or your reading comprehension is not as good as it should be.

Transcripts not birth certificate.

I apologize if that was your standard response to any issue and I did not recognize it as such.

You're pretty good at trying to divert attention from the matter that Mitt Romney is a greedy bastard and is sucking up more wealth from the economy than he will ever put in (thus he is shrinking rather than growing the economy).
 
2012-08-15 07:17:25 PM
namatad : WhyteRaven74: Mitt's dad is turning over in his grave.

and his progressive mother

Mitt is perfect evidence that inheritance taxes should be closer to 100%. Would Mitt be as much of an amoral tool if he started out life with more of an even playing field?


While I agree they should be high, I do agree that someone who saved a lot and worked hard should be able to pass on a significant amount to their children if they want.
 
2012-08-15 07:26:45 PM
Intercourse you, Ann Rmoney, thou mewling quim.

/Why hast thou forsaken the kitchen?
 
2012-08-15 07:30:58 PM
Ask follow-up question, dammit. In what way would your returns be used against you? Do you think people might object to some of your deductions? Did you take advantage of the amnesty deal for overseas accounts in 2009? Do you have overseas accounts? Why? What was your gross income? What was your AGI. What was your effective tax rate? How much, in dollars, did you give to the Mormon church? Is that 10% of your gross income? You don't know? Didn't you sign the return?

And a blind trust doesn't mean you don't know how much money is involved. It just means you don't control the investment choices.
 
2012-08-15 07:40:19 PM

Buffalo77: The Homer Tax

Well here's Romney's problem: his entire campaign is "I pay too much in taxes, we need to lower my taxes for the good of the economy." Which is fine, the problem is that the people want to know how much he does pay in taxes so we can determine whether we agree with his statement or not and act accordingly in the voting booth.

Sorry I disagree with your premise. His entire campaign is not "I pay too much in taxes" (I would be hard pressed to find that quote but if you can provide a reference I would appreciate it)

He is saying he wants to simplfy the tax code thereby freeing up regulations and restrictions on business which will then get the economy moving.

There are other aspects but "His entire campaign is 'I pay too much in taxes'" is not one of them.


While he doesn't say that specifically, he does want to lower taxes in his bracket though. Because the 'job creators' will then create more. Let's put aside the fact that there's no factual basis for that policy. Cutting taxes can lead to growth in certain cases, but I don't think a lack of supply at the top is a problem right now, so it'll likely do fark all.

If we see that he pays some ridiculously low effective tax rate it shows that there are plenty of ways to relieve yourself of taxes if you are rich. So why would we give them more tax breaks?

Also "He is saying he wants to simplfy the tax code thereby freeing up regulations and restrictions on business which will then get the economy moving." has some contradictions in it. First simplifying the tax code I'm all for. But that will likely increase taxes on most big business because of the loss of loopholes and subsidies, there putting more tax restrictions on companies (though the simplified return would reduce some overhead, which would be good). Second, making the tax code simpler doesn't have to do much with regulations. Taxes are fees charged for things done. Regulations are guidelines for how things should be done. Also not all regulations are awful job killing things, some are necessary. The TAX CUTS ALWAYS GOOD REGULATIONS ALWAYS BAD rhetoric needs to stop.

I'd also like to say you can simplify the code without losing some of the progressiveness by income bracket, which is what I'd like to see.
 
2012-08-15 07:42:33 PM

Buffalo77: Halli


Buffalo77: I guess that's the transparency we get from the libs. Now how bout Obama releasing his transcripts from School, that is relevant.

Meh really overplayed your hand by going into birther derp.


Well, well, well.

One of you enters the fray.

Birther derp, how quaint.

I see you see things that aren't there or your reading comprehension is not as good as it should be.

Transcripts not birth certificate.

I apologize if that was your standard response to any issue and I did not recognize it as such.


Most people think the call to release college transcripts is silly and irrelevant...Obama has good grades by all accounts, and even if he didn't, does it farking matter? Lots of presidents haven't been academic scholars.
 
2012-08-15 07:45:06 PM

Phins: And a blind trust doesn't mean you don't know how much money is involved. It just means you don't control the investment choices.


If Wilard's own words are to be believed a blind trusts invest precisely they are told to invest. As terrible a politician and person as Palin is, the republicans managed to somehow find someone worse on both counts. To lowerer the bar from Romney they'll need to nominate a convicted embezzler and child molestor who's currently trafficing in heroin and sexually abused make-a-wish children.
 
2012-08-15 07:45:15 PM
At this point, I wouldn't doubt Romney has something in his tax returns most people would consider heinous, but he's completely unaware of it. He's probably embarrassed he did something like not add donations to his church as a deduction, and he's afraid the right will brand him has an incompetent tax loving liberal.
 
2012-08-15 07:51:56 PM
No you are not entitled to them. Standard practice, where did you get that BS. Explain to me how looking at his tax returns determines his fitness for office.

We already determined that personal lives don't matter when it comes to politics. At least that was the argument I heard from the left when Clinton was getting BJs in the Oval Office. If he did something illegal, then we have IRS to pursue that.

Now don't be coy, tell us why you want to see his tax returns. Is it to see how well he did investing his money. Oh look Romney made $30 million this year on his investments, boy he is really smart. Oh look he donated $6 million to charities and the Mormon church, he really is a compassionate man looking out for his fellow man and his church. Wow, he paid $4 million in taxes to the government, boy that seems like more than his fair share, that's a lot of money.

No, you want to do something like "Ha, he gave 3 million to the Mormons, isn't that a cult, what would Jesus say about that" or "He paid less than 17% in taxes, that's too low, Pay your fair share Mormon boy." All the while attempting to rile up the idiots who don't understand the tax code nor do they pay any FIT at all themselves (up to 51% of population now).

I guess that's the transparency we get from the libs. Now how bout Obama releasing his transcripts from School, that is relevant.


Well, it's been standard practice for most presidential candidates, not all, but most.

I don't think personal issues matter, but remember, Clinton did lose a lot of support when that happened. I don't care what's in his tax returns, it's probably a low rate, but perfectly legal and it's not his fault the system sucks. However I think his policies will make the system worse, not better.

I don't think anyone thinks he did something illegal, but when he's trying to lower the taxes on his income bracket, people would like to see how low he pays now - it's reasonable. Most American's think that the rich should pay more in taxes than the middle class, and that's simply the reality. A strong middle class also helps to promote entrepreneurship and innovation imo, so I think keep the taxes low on them and the working class is more of a priority than gives the rich more breaks.

And I could be wrong, but I think that donation to the Mormon church is required by his faith. If that's the case I have a little bit of an issue with him calling it 'charity'.
 
2012-08-15 07:55:56 PM
Once liberals went full retard on romney is a felon refi, there is no reason to release shiat. You are too stupid to understand even basic sec filing requirements let alone complicated tax forms.
 
2012-08-15 07:57:11 PM

And I could be wrong, but I think that donation to the Mormon church is required by his faith. If that's the case I have a little bit of an issue with him calling it 'charity'.


He could be donating stocks that he considered overvalued at the time. Then he was 'technically' donating the 10% demanded.
 
2012-08-15 07:58:27 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Has Mitt even released one full year yet?

I get the feeling that his 2009 return is a steaming pile of outrage.


Nope and yup.

Also... Ann? Tits or GTFO.
 
2012-08-15 08:00:23 PM

MyRandomName: Once liberals went full retard on romney is a felon refi, there is no reason to release shiat. You are too stupid to understand even basic sec filing requirements let alone complicated tax forms.


From Romney's quotes, he really thinks that people will be disgusted with the legal trickery he uses to pay less than the spirit of the law allows, even if he's technically obeying it.

He's done nothing to counter the impression that he's a pig hogging the trough and wants more and more without limit, conscience or reason. He is greedy and considers himself so much better than "us people".
 
2012-08-15 08:05:10 PM

MyRandomName: Once liberals went full retard on romney is a felon refi, there is no reason to release shiat. You are too stupid to understand even basic sec filing requirements let alone complicated tax forms.



HELP WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED
 
2012-08-15 08:22:38 PM
It's going to be great when the Singularity arrives and we can upload our brains to computers. Snarky libs are going to find that their group-think brains all come out exactly the same, and they will all be lumped into one illogical, whiny clump of crap that all the individualistic uploaded brains will point at and laugh.
 
2012-08-15 08:23:45 PM

Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?

Gonna send her to "get tough with China" too, Mitt?


We know who wears the pants in that family.

//Save Seamus!
 
2012-08-15 08:26:42 PM

Slives: Should we start a betting pool on what is actually in there? I am betting that somehow he was continuing to write-off expenses from his time with the Salt Lake Olympics for several years after the Olympics were done. How much depreciation do you think he claimed on the buildings that built for that?


I recall a thread a few weeks back that claimed he'd expensed lubricant, leather outfits and CBT for pathological lying.
It could be true, but it would be hilarious if it was, so that's where I'm betting.
 
2012-08-15 08:41:41 PM
The Homer Tax




You're actually denying the premise that Romneys campaign is based around the notion that the wealthy need lower taxes for the good of the economy? It's literally one of the principle tenants of his platform.

I mistook you for someone who wanted to engage in intellectually honest discussion, my mistake.


Yeah it is your mistake. Argue for your premise, don't back off and run by saying I don't what to have an intellectually honest discussion. PROVE YOUR PREMISE.

Here is one on the tenants of his platform.

Remove the loopholes and simplify the tax code. This reduces costs to both businesses and individual. It also helps end crony capitalism because tax laws are wiped out that are tailored to specific companies, say companies that donate a lot of money to politicians. It reduces costs to business freeing up capital to invest to grow the business and create jobs as a result of that growth.

Lower everyone's tax rate as with a simplified tax code compliance will increase and revenues will increase. This is primarily directed at corporations, which have the highest tax rate in the world effectively after April 30 of this year. Investment will increase and growth will occur because ROI's will produce more favorable returns thereby making it less risky to make those investments.

There's my discussion.

.
 
2012-08-15 08:41:44 PM
I'd rather see Obama's school records. How did he pay for Harvard? His family isn't wealthy.
 
2012-08-15 08:46:18 PM

MyRandomName: Once liberals went full retard on romney is a felon refi, there is no reason to release shiat. You are too stupid to understand even basic sec filing requirements let alone complicated tax forms.


What I think is that folks remembered that his father was the one who prompted this disclosure, and that he is essentially pissing on his own father's legacy.

I don't think that there is anything in his tax returns that is remotely illegal--he has too much exposure for that. What he has, I suspect, are a lot of donations and a lot of money coming in from folks he'd rather not have to explain why he was getting X amount of dollars, or why he put his money down on something that he publicly distances himself from. Money IS speech in his mind, and it is something that Romney truly dislikes in actually appearing concrete on anything...

It's hard to be a candidate calling for fiscal responsibility, and the rights of corporate citizens, and then be exposed taking quite so liberally from folks who he advocates giving government subsidies and realizing exactly who he has taken cash from.

I sincerely doubt that there is anything illegal in his returns. They DO show a clear indication of who he gets his money from, and there is a direct correlation with the policies that they advocate and that he is pushing for, and Mitt really doesn't like folks to listen too closely to what he says...
 
2012-08-15 08:46:36 PM

manfriend: I'd rather see Obama's school records. How did he pay for Harvard? His family isn't wealthy.


Harvard has an amazing endowment. If you get accepted to Harvard, you will not be turned away because of your finances. They will make it work.
 
2012-08-15 08:50:36 PM

Buffalo77: The Homer Tax

You're actually denying the premise that Romneys campaign is based around the notion that the wealthy need lower taxes for the good of the economy? It's literally one of the principle tenants of his platform.

I mistook you for someone who wanted to engage in intellectually honest discussion, my mistake.

Yeah it is your mistake. Argue for your premise, don't back off and run by saying I don't what to have an intellectually honest discussion. PROVE YOUR PREMISE.

Here is one on the tenants of his platform.

Remove the loopholes and simplify the tax code. This reduces costs to both businesses and individual. It also helps end crony capitalism because tax laws are wiped out that are tailored to specific companies, say companies that donate a lot of money to politicians. It reduces costs to business freeing up capital to invest to grow the business and create jobs as a result of that growth.

Lower everyone's tax rate as with a simplified tax code compliance will increase and revenues will increase. This is primarily directed at corporations, which have the highest tax rate in the world effectively after April 30 of this year. Investment will increase and growth will occur because ROI's will produce more favorable returns thereby making it less risky to make those investments.

There's my discussion.

.


All I have to add is, good luck closing the loopholes. Or ending pointless subsidies. Congress people are owned by the corporations that benefit
 
2012-08-15 08:56:20 PM
Muk_Man




Buffalo77: The Homer Tax



While he doesn't say that specifically, he does want to lower taxes in his bracket though. Because the 'job creators' will then create more. Let's put aside the fact that there's no factual basis for that policy. Cutting taxes can lead to growth in certain cases, but I don't think a lack of supply at the top is a problem right now, so it'll likely do fark all.

If we see that he pays some ridiculously low effective tax rate it shows that there are plenty of ways to relieve yourself of taxes if you are rich. So why would we give them more tax breaks?


The tax breaks for job creators. I know its popular to say "job creator" as if that is a term to mock but it is true that for the most part wealthier individuals are the small business owners and they are the job creators.

Mocking them does no good at all.

Right now the US has the largest tax rate in the world for corporations, lowering those rates (see above discussion to Homer Tax) will spur growth. It is the only way to spur growth.

With regards to Rich Guys tax rates. I will assume you know the difference between income earned via salary and income earned via Capital Gains.

The capital gains rate is low so as to encourage capital investment as these investments typically are riskier than income earn through interest on deposits which is taxed at rates as though it was earned salary.

Guys like Romney, Buffet, Gates etc draw no salary so any income earned is appreciation in their investments when a taxable transaction occurs. Thus if a Rich Guy held all his investments in stock and never sold any stock then he would have no income for the year. Feeble minded voters would not recognize this was legal and even though he complied with the law, some dishonest people would attempt to use this against him
 
2012-08-15 08:59:09 PM
Obama isn't hiding anything either. Except absolutely everything he can legally hide with the exception of his taxes.

But I'm sure there's nothing at all damning in all that. He's just protecting his privacy.
 
2012-08-15 09:03:53 PM
Muk_Man

Most people think the call to release college transcripts is silly and irrelevant...Obama has good grades by all accounts, and even if he didn't, does it farking matter? Lots of presidents haven't been academic scholars.

If its silly and irrelevant, then release them. Obama has good grades by all accounts, really ok. Does it matter, when ask you lefty friends if it mattered with GWB. Thats all I heard about when he was in office, still rings in my ears - Moron, stupid, chimpy, idiot, daddy had to get him in Yale, etc etc etc.

So using you logic, Most people think Harry Reid's contention that Mitt Romney didn't pay taxes is silly and irrellevant. Romney paid his taxes by all accounts and even if he didnt... Obama's IRS would bust his ass on it.
 
2012-08-15 09:03:54 PM

randomjsa: Obama isn't hiding anything either. Except absolutely everything he can legally hide with the exception of his taxes.

But I'm sure there's nothing at all damning in all that. He's just protecting his privacy.


these stupid libs don't get it, Obama is HIDING things, besides his taxes, so Romney doesn't have to release ANYTHING! ESPECIALLY HIS TAXES!
 
2012-08-15 09:06:34 PM

Buffalo77: The tax breaks for job creators. I know its popular to say "job creator" as if that is a term to mock but it is true that for the most part wealthier individuals are the small business owners and they are the job creators.


How many decades does that philosophy have to not work before people start to think think maybe that philosophy doesn't work?
 
2012-08-15 09:07:47 PM

randomjsa: Obama isn't hiding anything either. Except absolutely everything he can legally hide with the exception of his taxes.

But I'm sure there's nothing at all damning in all that. He's just protecting his privacy.



So what you're saying is, Romney is just as bad as the sneaky Obama? That is not a good stance for a Republican to have.
 
2012-08-15 09:10:12 PM

Buffalo77: If its silly and irrelevant, then release them. Obama has good grades by all accounts, really ok. Does it matter, when ask you lefty friends if it mattered with GWB. Thats all I heard about when he was in office, still rings in my ears - Moron, stupid, chimpy, idiot, daddy had to get him in Yale, etc etc etc.


No, it was pretty much when he really started to act like a moron that people said that. Don't try to revise history that's less than a decade old.

The Obama's transcript thing in response to people asking for Romney's tax information is desperate, hilarious and sad. But mostly hilarious. And desperate. With a little sad.
 
2012-08-15 09:11:55 PM
The smartest thing the Romney campaign could do right now is keep Ann away from the cameras and reporters. She has too much of that rich biatch attitude and she doesn't know how to suppress it.
 
2012-08-15 09:17:31 PM

Buffalo77: The tax breaks for job creators. I know its popular to say "job creator" as if that is a term to mock but it is true that for the most part wealthier individuals are the small business owners and they are the job creators.


Most "Small Business Owners" that are running sole proprietorships makes far less than $250,000. Usually when you are making that much money, you have long since incorporated. The number of Sole proprietorships that make over $250k (and are therefore taxed at the same rate at regular income) is around 2%. The discussion about how extending the Bush Tax cuts for people making over $250k is 98% irrelevant to the discussion of "job creators."
 
2012-08-15 09:18:46 PM
GOP 2012 ticket in two words: "Randian Sociopaths"

It really doesn't matter who wins, Mitt or Obama the chickens are coming home to roost. The party's over and those who drank the most are leaving the clean-up to Proles.
 
2012-08-15 09:29:34 PM

Wendy's Chili: Why is it always Ann addressing the tax returns?

Gonna send her to "get tough with China" too, Mitt?



Because it's her tax returns that have the naughty stuff in them.
 
2012-08-15 10:41:51 PM
I AM Envirodude
 
2012-08-15 10:52:18 PM

namatad: DamnYankees: "We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us"

What the hell does that even mean.

we only follow the letter of the law. we do everything that we can to find loopholes and tax dodges in order to pay the bare minimum required to us by law and frankly, the fact that we even do you people that courtesy should be lauded.

farkem


FTFY.
 
2012-08-15 10:58:29 PM

impaler: "Beyond paying or taxes, we give 10% of our income to, to charity."

You mean the Mormon church.


which is for all intents and purposes a for profit corporation. that is politically active in funding hate groups.
 
2012-08-15 11:22:41 PM

Hobodeluxe: impaler: "Beyond paying or taxes, we give 10% of our income to, to charity."

You mean the Mormon church.

which is for all intents and purposes a for profit corporation. that is politically active in funding hate groups.


Also, the Mormon church basically requires/demands that their followers tithe a certain percentage. Charity is voluntarily giving. Tithing to the Mormon church is far from voluntary.
 
2012-08-15 11:24:42 PM
Mugato

Buffalo77: The tax breaks for job creators. I know its popular to say "job creator" as if that is a term to mock but it is true that for the most part wealthier individuals are the small business owners and they are the job creators.

How many decades does that philosophy have to not work before people start to think think maybe that philosophy doesn't work?


Enter the Mugato and his brilliant discussion skills. How bout you disprove my true statement instead on spouting things you wish were true
 
2012-08-15 11:25:11 PM

justtray: I AM Envirodude


I AM Envirodude
 
2012-08-15 11:27:15 PM
Mugato

Buffalo77: If its silly and irrelevant, then release them. Obama has good grades by all accounts, really ok. Does it matter, when ask you lefty friends if it mattered with GWB. Thats all I heard about when he was in office, still rings in my ears - Moron, stupid, chimpy, idiot, daddy had to get him in Yale, etc etc etc.

No, it was pretty much when he really started to act like a moron that people said that. Don't try to revise history that's less than a decade old.

The Obama's transcript thing in response to people asking for Romney's tax information is desperate, hilarious and sad. But mostly hilarious. And desperate. With a little sad.


Yes once again the Mugato spouts his wishful thinking. Yes its sad, its desperate but thats what you think of repubs and conservatives so it was to be expected. So you have the answer, answer the question.
 
2012-08-15 11:27:38 PM

Buffalo77: I know its popular to say "job creator" as if that is a term to mock


It is a term to mock. It's incredibly cheesy and makes it sound like Conservatives are deifying them, contrary to what the Bible said we should do.

And for the most part? You got a citation of that?

I find it really hard to believe that "for the most part", small business owners earn $250,000+ a year.
 
2012-08-15 11:37:15 PM

Buffalo77: Yes once again the Mugato spouts his wishful thinking. Yes its sad, its desperate but thats what you think of repubs and conservatives so it was to be expected. So you have the answer, answer the question.


The answer is where are Romney's transcripts?
 
2012-08-15 11:37:44 PM
The Homer Tax




Buffalo77: The tax breaks for job creators. I know its popular to say "job creator" as if that is a term to mock but it is true that for the most part wealthier individuals are the small business owners and they are the job creators.

Most "Small Business Owners" that are running sole proprietorships makes far less than $250,000. Usually when you are making that much money, you have long since incorporated. The number of Sole proprietorships that make over $250k (and are therefore taxed at the same rate at regular income) is around 2%. The discussion about how extending the Bush Tax cuts for people making over $250k is 98% irrelevant to the discussion of "job creators."


Well not really. People making 250K are just like you and me. They create a life with a house, car, family and the expenses related to that based on their income. They may have other factors like saving for retirement or savings in general.

So they run their business and out of the profits pay themselves say $300,000 per year. Out of that they pay their FIT of 85,000 and then pay another 45,000 or so in self employment tax so that leaves 170,000 per year to pay other taxes and expenses. You raise the tax rate, they will continue their life style they will just take more from the business to cover those expenses. Money that he could have used to employ more people and or grow his business. Thats how it works.
 
2012-08-15 11:42:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984


Buffalo77: Yes once again the Mugato spouts his wishful thinking. Yes its sad, its desperate but thats what you think of repubs and conservatives so it was to be expected. So you have the answer, answer the question.

The answer is where are Romney's transcripts?


You are right Cam, lets release everything. Obama starts, Romney will follow his example - but you release everything first.

But you know this is the most important issue in the election. Transcripts, tax returns birth certificates, yeah thats the real issue.

Not 16 Trillion in debt, real unemployment of 13%, worst recovery from a recession since the great depression - yeah, its about the tax returns.
 
2012-08-15 11:49:13 PM
Mrtraveler01

Buffalo77: I know its popular to say "job creator" as if that is a term to mock

It is a term to mock. It's incredibly cheesy and makes it sound like Conservatives are deifying them, contrary to what the Bible said we should do.

And for the most part? You got a citation of that?

I find it really hard to believe that "for the most part", small business owners earn $250,000+ a year.


Well Mr. Citation, give me a citation for you bible statement then read what I actually wrote which was "for the most part wealthier individuals are the small business owners and they are the job creators."

Isn't that intuitive to you. All start ups start small. These job creators or entrepreneurs start small and grow there business if they are allowed to.

You want to mock job creator, OK, so what's the name of the job creator that gave you a job and I don't mean your IT manager.
 
2012-08-15 11:49:59 PM

Buffalo77: cameroncrazy1984

Buffalo77: Yes once again the Mugato spouts his wishful thinking. Yes its sad, its desperate but thats what you think of repubs and conservatives so it was to be expected. So you have the answer, answer the question.

The answer is where are Romney's transcripts?

You are right Cam, lets release everything. Obama starts, Romney will follow his example - but you release everything first.

But you know this is the most important issue in the election. Transcripts, tax returns birth certificates, yeah thats the real issue.

Not 16 Trillion in debt, real unemployment of 13%, worst recovery from a recession since the great depression - yeah, its about the tax returns.


Yeah, we're off into hypothetical land. What if the republicans hadn't blocked everything? What if Obama hadn't hire bankers to run the the banking industry recovery? And where the heck are my Unicorns?
 
2012-08-15 11:58:21 PM

Buffalo77: Well not really. People making 250K are just like you and me.



Except for the fact they pay less in taxes
 
2012-08-15 11:58:47 PM

Buffalo77: Mugato

Buffalo77: The tax breaks for job creators. I know its popular to say "job creator" as if that is a term to mock but it is true that for the most part wealthier individuals are the small business owners and they are the job creators.

How many decades does that philosophy have to not work before people start to think think maybe that philosophy doesn't work?

Enter the Mugato and his brilliant discussion skills. How bout you disprove my true statement instead on spouting things you wish were true


Only 4% of small business owners would be effected if the Bush Tax Cuts expire.

Go away troll.
 
2012-08-15 11:59:45 PM

Buffalo77: Not 16 Trillion in debt, real unemployment of 13%, worst recovery from a recession since the great depression - yeah, its about the tax returns.



Man, who would have thought we'd see the day when REPUBLICANS are talking about real unemployment numbers not the ones released by the government. LOL man.

And yeah the economy sucks when you have Republicans throwing the country off a fiscal cliff literally and figuratively
 
2012-08-16 12:13:29 AM
Buffalo77

8/10

You hooked quite a few people, and may well have snared me too if I'd gotten to the thread earlier before you started showing your hand.
 
2012-08-16 12:34:52 AM

xanadian: FTFA: "It's been managed by a blind trust since before Mitt was governor, you know, 2002 forward," she (Mitt's wife) told Morales. "And so, you know, I'll be curious to see what's in there too."

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Now THAT is comedy!


She should just ask Mitt: "You can always tell the blind trust what it can and cannot do," Romney had said. "You can give a blind trust rules."
 
2012-08-16 12:45:19 AM
I shall accept that us little people should trust our betters.
 
2012-08-16 01:33:21 AM

Slives: Should we start a betting pool on what is actually in there? I am betting that somehow he was continuing to write-off expenses from his time with the Salt Lake Olympics for several years after the Olympics were done. How much depreciation do you think he claimed on the buildings that built for that?


I've said it before: Mitt is massively understating his net worth. He claims to be worth $250 million, yet we know his IRA account alone is worth $100 million.

He's got a huge amount of money hidden (probably legally) in various shady tax shelters which he doesn't want exposed. My bet is that Ann is taking point on this because the biggest and most complex (and therefore the one he least wants exposed) is the Ann Romney Trust.
 
2012-08-16 01:35:39 AM

Irving Maimway: xanadian: FTFA: "It's been managed by a blind trust since before Mitt was governor, you know, 2002 forward," she (Mitt's wife) told Morales. "And so, you know, I'll be curious to see what's in there too."

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Now THAT is comedy!

She should just ask Mitt: "You can always tell the blind trust what it can and cannot do," Romney had said. "You can give a blind trust rules."


Amusingly, one of his "blind" trusts recently invested $10 million in a company one of his sons started.
 
2012-08-16 02:43:30 AM
She's such a martyr. She and Mitt deserve the White House and all the little people keep carping.
 
2012-08-16 07:33:16 AM

Buffalo77: The Homer Tax

You're actually denying the premise that Romneys campaign is based around the notion that the wealthy need lower taxes for the good of the economy? It's literally one of the principle tenants of his platform.

I mistook you for someone who wanted to engage in intellectually honest discussion, my mistake.

Yeah it is your mistake. Argue for your premise, don't back off and run by saying I don't what to have an intellectually honest discussion. PROVE YOUR PREMISE.

Here is one on the tenants of his platform.

Remove the loopholes and simplify the tax code. This reduces costs to both businesses and individual. It also helps end crony capitalism because tax laws are wiped out that are tailored to specific companies, say companies that donate a lot of money to politicians. It reduces costs to business freeing up capital to invest to grow the business and create jobs as a result of that growth.

Lower everyone's tax rate as with a simplified tax code compliance will increase and revenues will increase. This is primarily directed at corporations, which have the highest tax rate in the world effectively after April 30 of this year. Investment will increase and growth will occur because ROI's will produce more favorable returns thereby making it less risky to make those investments.

There's my discussion.

.


I don't believe a word of that.
 
2012-08-16 08:25:11 AM
She of course is right !
The Left will have no trouble twisting a bunch of numbers around and finding a intended result !
So you are screwed if you do and somewhat screwed if you don't .
 
2012-08-16 09:01:00 AM
In a time when the government has the power to mine the data of every phone call, every text, all internet correspondence, and all electronic exchanges to identify political adversaries, and have unlimited power over the people, minimum compliance with the law is not enough transparency for us to entrust a man with power.

Already, with the tools made available to the Federal Government, which can never be put back in the bag, I estimate that we're within 40 years of totalitarianism. Cheese left on the counter unprotected does not mold, spoil or dry out only 90 percent of the time, it does it EVERY time. Similarly, a government with access to money and power will have corruption every time. We live on the razor's edge, where the only thing worse than a country full of armed people is a country full of disarmed people. That's one goddamned awful situation. We've made these technological marvels, and they're fine as long as the people in control of them are 100 percent trustworthy. Everything devolves into totalitarianism if the government is only 99 percent trustworthy in the handling of what amounts to absolute power, and we're going to give the reins to a man who can't even disclose whether he has a) shown a pattern of avoiding having rules apply to him while he generates rules for others, or b) hasn't done so.

We're either intelligent enough to look through the tax forms and make up our own mind after hearing Romney's side, or we aren't intelligent enough to have a Democracy. If he believes he really can't get a fair shake from us, how can we trust him with this power knowing that he thinks we're sheeple? There's the rub. Either we're the electorate, or the mob. I think Romney thinks we're the mob.
 
2012-08-16 10:30:59 AM
Lt. Weinberg: Yeah, she said that if Envirodude doesn't want to be found, we're not gonna find him. She said I could be Envirodude and you wouldn't know it.

Kaffee: Are you Envirodude?

Lt. Weinberg: No.

Kaffee: I'm not Envirodude... that's two down.
 
2012-08-16 05:33:16 PM

larry00: She of course is right !
The Left will have no trouble twisting a bunch of numbers around and finding a intended result !
So you are screwed if you do and somewhat screwed if you don't .



Yes the left has perfected tax cheating and adjusting numbers written on a piece of paper. Stop oppressing the captains of industry!
 
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