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(CBS Sports)   "Florida State had some numbers that looked bad, but this UNC scandal dwarfs it. FSU had 61 tainted players, almost all from the same class. North Carolina has at least 54 tainted classes." Duke sucks   (cbssports.com) divider line 64
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2012-08-15 08:27:18 AM
I'm amazed that Doyle didn't go his usual route of bashing NC State fans. I'm also amazed that this story is actually starting to get national attention again after the NCAA did their half-assed investigation.

I guess bringing Peppers into it made it "interesting" again.
 
2012-08-15 08:33:02 AM
That's a lot of taints.
 
2012-08-15 08:57:40 AM
Students first, athlete second. Hundreds of other scholarship athletes at unc understand it, why can't football and basketball programs?

Kill those two sports at unc and be done with it, as they obviously can't be trusted with either of them.

/overreaction, sure. I'm just tired of the academic fraud crap.
//former scholarship athlete at a university
 
2012-08-15 08:58:23 AM
This is definitely something the NCAA can get involved in. At first I would like to think shut down at least the football program for a year or two with the repoeat offender status (the booster scandal or whatever it was that led to a bowl ban this year). But they would probably plea their way to a lesser penalty, like a three year bowl ban and major loss of scholarships. Men's Basketball? I imagine they would get hit pretty hard too, let's see how this all works out.
 
2012-08-15 08:58:51 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: That's a lot of taints.


See, that's the problem. If there was an actual "taint" involved (especially underage), this would be a national story. Roy Williams would be fired and be branded a pariah, Butch Davis would never be allowed to coach college again (and after what he did with the Browns, no NFL team will touch him, either), and they'd get some form of not-"death penalty" penalty.

But no, this is just cheating the academic system. Roy will still be there, Butch will find another college football job from some school dumb enough to not see what happened at his last two college jobs, and, of course, the NCAA will slap N.C. State with harsh penalties.
 
2012-08-15 09:08:16 AM
EVERY PROGRAM CHEATS.

Except those in the SEC, of course, because that's God's conference.
 
2012-08-15 09:11:05 AM
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.
 
2012-08-15 09:20:11 AM
Surprised something like this hasn't come out sooner, but I'm surprised UNC was the first to fall. It's been my suspicion for a while that these basketball one-and-done collection schools are able to attract so many recruits because they don't actually make them do any work.

Recruit: "Hey Coach Calipari, why should I bring my basketball talents to [UMass/Memphis/Kentucky]?"
Calipari: "Well, you won't actually have to go to class at this school AND we'll give you a couple thousand dollars for 'groceries'"
Recruit: "Gee whiz, sign me up!"
Calipari: "Be sure to tell all of your summer-league friends so we can also make a run at the title during the 8 months you're on campus!"
 
2012-08-15 09:26:53 AM

damnproud1388: Surprised something like this hasn't come out sooner, but I'm surprised UNC was the first to fall. It's been my suspicion for a while that these basketball one-and-done collection schools are able to attract so many recruits because they don't actually make them do any work.


The beautiful part is how many UNC fans were screaming about how crooked UK is, and how they are going to get stripped of their wins. All the while, the worst case of organized cheating in the history of college sport is going on right under their precious widdle noses.

Suck it, you arrogant pricks.
 
2012-08-15 09:30:05 AM

damnproud1388: Surprised something like this hasn't come out sooner, but I'm surprised UNC was the first to fall. It's been my suspicion for a while that these basketball one-and-done collection schools are able to attract so many recruits because they don't actually make them do any work.

Recruit: "Hey Coach Calipari, why should I bring my basketball talents to [UMass/Memphis/Kentucky]?"
Calipari: "Well, you won't actually have to go to class at this school AND we'll give you a couple thousand dollars for 'groceries'"
Recruit: "Gee whiz, sign me up!"
Calipari: "Be sure to tell all of your summer-league friends so we can also make a run at the title during the 8 months you're on campus!"


This was him to Derrick Rose when he coached at University of Memphis.
 
2012-08-15 09:33:06 AM
UNC has a football team?
 
2012-08-15 09:38:34 AM

damnproud1388: Surprised something like this hasn't come out sooner, but I'm surprised UNC was the first to fall. It's been my suspicion for a while that these basketball one-and-done collection schools are able to attract so many recruits because they don't actually make them do any work.

Recruit: "Hey Coach Calipari, why should I bring my basketball talents to [UMass/Memphis/Kentucky]?"
Calipari: "Well, you won't actually have to go to class at this school AND we'll give you a couple thousand dollars for 'groceries'"
Recruit: "Gee whiz, sign me up!"
Calipari: "Be sure to tell all of your summer-league friends so we can also make a run at the title during the 8 months you're on campus!"


There's a far more crooked "Coach Cal" closer to your whereabouts than Mr. Calipari.
 
2012-08-15 09:44:06 AM

EyeballKid: damnproud1388: Surprised something like this hasn't come out sooner, but I'm surprised UNC was the first to fall. It's been my suspicion for a while that these basketball one-and-done collection schools are able to attract so many recruits because they don't actually make them do any work.

Recruit: "Hey Coach Calipari, why should I bring my basketball talents to [UMass/Memphis/Kentucky]?"
Calipari: "Well, you won't actually have to go to class at this school AND we'll give you a couple thousand dollars for 'groceries'"
Recruit: "Gee whiz, sign me up!"
Calipari: "Be sure to tell all of your summer-league friends so we can also make a run at the title during the 8 months you're on campus!"

There's a far more crooked "Coach Cal" closer to your whereabouts than Mr. Calipari.


Crooked? yes. More crooked? Debatable. Better at covering it up? Certainly.

U-Con is just trying to find the right time to take Ole' Calhoun out to the backfields of Storres so they can put him down before as much of it gets into the light as UNC. I may live in CT but I am no fan of the Huskies.
 
2012-08-15 09:45:54 AM
Hard for me to care about these stories. Penn State simply set the bar too high when their head coach and administration sanctioned child rape.
 
2012-08-15 09:46:59 AM
I must've missed this one when it broke, but after reading this article, did UNC really create fake classes for a decade designed solely for athletes? And was this guy teaching them?

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2012-08-15 09:51:12 AM
I wonder how many scholarships the NCAA will take away from UNC-Charlotte because of the UNC violations...
 
2012-08-15 09:54:01 AM
Wait until the NCAA fully investigates Penn State and JoePa's control over his student athlete's academic issues. It could end up being far worse. 46 years is a long time of routing problems through the coach's office, in order to hide the problems and make your program look like it has some semblance of integrity to the outside world.
 
2012-08-15 09:55:40 AM
This probably happens everywhere.

1. UNC created the AFAM department to increase minority enrollment and minority graduation rates.
2. Yes, it is an utterly easy and useless degree program.
3. Yes, minority students flock to take the easy classes.
4. Yes, the black football players also flock to these classes, and they get priority for enrolling in any class they want.
5. Yes, the advisors advise players to do this.

Is this some sort of scandal? No.
Do the faculty want to cover up and deflect criticism by pointing fingers at the athletic department? Yes.
 
2012-08-15 10:14:59 AM
Given the degree of academic dishonesty at the high schools in Chapel Hill, I'm not surprised it's happening up at the college level, too.
 
2012-08-15 10:18:06 AM

msupf: Students first, athlete second. Hundreds of other scholarship athletes at unc understand it, why can't football and basketball programs?

Kill those two sports at unc and be done with it, as they obviously can't be trusted with either of them.

/overreaction, sure. I'm just tired of the academic fraud crap.
//former scholarship athlete at a university


That is so cute that you think that this stuff only happens in football and basketball. It happens in every college sport male and female, especially if you have a championship caliber team. Just look at the FSU scandal, that was what 64 athletes from 10 different sports teams.

But what always got me is that even though just about every school has something like this set up to pass athletes, yes your school does the same and you are incredibly naive to think they don't, you always have a number of athletes who are academically ineligible. How in the hell does that even happen?
 
2012-08-15 10:18:38 AM
So what happens to the players' degrees? Are they voided or are they offered a chance to take one real class to make up for each fake one?

Also, outside of extremely specialized fields, do colleges ever legitimately offer an undergrad class when there is only one student enrolled? I remember several courses I signed up for over my four years which were cancelled before the semester began due to lack of interest.
 
2012-08-15 10:21:20 AM
As an FSU alumnus, I am thoroughly enjoying watching these holier-than-thou assholes -- Penn State, UNC, all of them -- get taken down after decades of "DURR HURR FREE SHOES".

Have fun losing to ECU for a decade, UNC.
 
2012-08-15 10:23:23 AM

RickyWilliams'sBong: Have fun losing to ECU for a decade, UNC.


I have a sickening feeling that the NCAA will find a way to avoid punishing them much. Even they have favorites.

/2 on that road
 
2012-08-15 10:25:10 AM

ongbok: That is so cute that you think that this stuff only happens in football and basketball. It happens in every college sport male and female, especially if you have a championship caliber team. Just look at the FSU scandal, that was what 64 athletes from 10 different sports teams.

But what always got me is that even though just about every school has something like this set up to pass athletes, yes your school does the same and you are incredibly naive to think they don't, you always have a number of athletes who are academically ineligible. How in the hell does that even happen?


I've sad this before: If you have an athletics department trying to play big-time ball, you're cheating. If you don't believe it, you're an idiot.

The difference is that fans of big state schools that care about football (FSU, Bama, SC, Clemson, etc) don't live with the delusion that it isn't happening. Penn State and UNC actually believe their own bullshiat.
 
2012-08-15 10:27:01 AM

Weigard: Given the degree of academic dishonesty at the high schools in Chapel Hill, I'm not surprised it's happening up at the college level, too.


Chapel Hill high schools are among the best in the nation, not sure where you pulled that one out of.
 
2012-08-15 10:32:16 AM

The Muthaship: RickyWilliams'sBong: Have fun losing to ECU for a decade, UNC.

I have a sickening feeling that the NCAA will find a way to avoid punishing them much. Even they have favorites.

/2 on that road


Actually, no, what people are missing is that nothing is going to happen, because it's a scandal UNC is going to have to explain to their alumni and donors who care more about academic integrity than sports. UNC isn't being accused of having a crappy player only program. It's accused of having a couple stupid degrees available to all students. It's almost like people have known for decades that degrees in African American Studies were total bullshiat, and are bullshiat are most universities.
 
2012-08-15 10:35:33 AM

Mr Guy: Actually, no, what people are missing is that nothing is going to happen, because it's a scandal UNC is going to have to explain to their alumni and donors who care more about academic integrity than sports.


UNC must be a pretty unique place if they have alumni and donors that care more about academic integrity than sports.
 
2012-08-15 10:36:02 AM
PS Full Disclosure: While attending North Carolina State University, I got four credit hours for a Country Omitted Cultural Studies class that entirely consisted of the professor drinking in his office, then showing us a slideshow of cultural buildings that reminded him of home, while he smoked and talked about how much he missed his homeland. There was one test, which involved identifying churches.

There are always fluff classes if you look hard enough. They just don't do you any good if you're really trying to get an education, but you're delusional if you don't think every college has professor people take to pad their GPAs.
 
2012-08-15 10:36:37 AM

Weigard: Given the degree of academic dishonesty at the high schools in Chapel Hill, I'm not surprised it's happening up at the college level, too.


Dude, it starts in the preschools. I personally know of a couple of 4 year olds who were only given smiley face stickers for shoe tying because they were 6'2''.
 
2012-08-15 10:40:29 AM

Mr Guy: The Muthaship: RickyWilliams'sBong: Have fun losing to ECU for a decade, UNC.

I have a sickening feeling that the NCAA will find a way to avoid punishing them much. Even they have favorites.

/2 on that road

Actually, no, what people are missing is that nothing is going to happen, because it's a scandal UNC is going to have to explain to their alumni and donors who care more about academic integrity than sports. UNC isn't being accused of having a crappy player only program. It's accused of having a couple stupid degrees available to all students. It's almost like people have known for decades that degrees in African American Studies were total bullshiat, and are bullshiat are most universities.


This is why I have you as "favorite: wise man"
 
2012-08-15 10:41:09 AM
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2012-08-15 10:42:03 AM

Mr Guy: UNC isn't being accused of having a crappy player only program. It's accused of having a couple stupid degrees available to all students.


FTA: Athletes staying eligible by getting grades in some classes that didn't even exist.

Hmmm.
 
2012-08-15 10:43:30 AM

RatBomb: [i1020.photobucket.com image 664x475]


That's hilarious.
 
2012-08-15 10:57:09 AM

The Muthaship: Mr Guy: UNC isn't being accused of having a crappy player only program. It's accused of having a couple stupid degrees available to all students.

FTA: Athletes staying eligible by getting grades in some classes that didn't even exist.

Hmmm.


Yeah, but you have to show that NON athletes don't ALSO take bullshiat independent study programs. NCSU had a whole code designation assigned to temporary independent study classes (I want to say it was ISL or something like that) while I was there, I wouldn't be at all shocked that UNC does the same thing. This is manufactured outrage, because people really enjoy watching UNC get their comeuppance. Especially when you know that UNC actually DOES take a lot of pride in the number of Academic All Americans we crank out. It's retarded that student athletes don't get course credit in athletics to help their GPAs. We used to do that in high school, for crying out loud. It's just part of not being willing to admit that these student athletes are essentially technical workers, seeing if they can make it in their chosen career with what's essentially four years of scholarship supported internship.
 
2012-08-15 11:03:33 AM

Mr Guy: Yeah, but you have to show that NON athletes don't ALSO take bullshiat independent study programs.


Every school has bullsh*t independent study programs. That's not the same as getting grades for courses that don't exist. I'm not vouching for the veracity of the allegations in this article. But, it specifically says athletes were given grades for classes that did not exist. If that's the case UNC has a problem.

Should all college athletes get GPA boosts for playing their chosen sport, even when there is no career possible in it?
 
2012-08-15 11:13:44 AM

The Muthaship: Mr Guy: Yeah, but you have to show that NON athletes don't ALSO take bullshiat independent study programs.

Every school has bullsh*t independent study programs. That's not the same as getting grades for courses that don't exist. I'm not vouching for the veracity of the allegations in this article. But, it specifically says athletes were given grades for classes that did not exist. If that's the case UNC has a problem.

Should all college athletes get GPA boosts for playing their chosen sport, even when there is no career possible in it?


Bogus independent studies are the "courses that don't exist", click through to the articles he links to. He changed the actual reporter's label of "no show" class to non existent. This is the perfect storm of a professor abusing the independent study system to abuse his tenure for profit, and the student athletes abused the hell out of it, but so, apparently did everyone else in the bullshiat major. More scandals like this and a degree in African American Studies isn't worth anything....
 
2012-08-15 11:17:26 AM

Mr Guy: This is the perfect storm of a professor abusing the independent study system to abuse his tenure for profit, and the student athletes abused the hell out of it, but so, apparently did everyone else in the bullshiat major. More scandals like this and a degree in African American Studies isn't worth anything....


I guess the difference is that the other students didn't need the class for eligibility to compete in a sport.
 
2012-08-15 11:17:30 AM

LarryDan43: Hard for me to care about these stories. Penn State simply set the bar too high when their head coach and administration sanctioned child rape.


Yep. My school is cheating. Your school is cheating. That rival school is cheating. My tolerance for "free shoes" or "cheating on tests" is much higher than a year ago.
 
2012-08-15 11:20:08 AM

The Muthaship: I guess the difference is that the other students didn't need the class for eligibility to compete in a sport.


Perhaps not, but as long as the student athletes don't get an advantage, being an embarrassment is your own problem.
 
2012-08-15 11:21:18 AM

Mr Guy: PS Full Disclosure: While attending North Carolina State University, I got four credit hours for a Country Omitted Cultural Studies class that entirely consisted of the professor drinking in his office, then showing us a slideshow of cultural buildings that reminded him of home, while he smoked and talked about how much he missed his homeland. There was one test, which involved identifying churches.

There are always fluff classes if you look hard enough. They just don't do you any good if you're really trying to get an education, but you're delusional if you don't think every college has professor people take to pad their GPAs.


NCAA: Hey kids! How you boys doin'?
[to man laying on the couch]

NCAA: Hey, keep chillin'. You know who we are? We're associates of your business partner College Sports. You do remember your business partner don't you? Let me take a wild guess here. You're Mr Guy, right?

Mr Guy: Yeah.

NCAA: I thought so. You remember your business partner College Sports, don't you, Mr Guy?

Mr Guy: Yeah, yeah, I remember him.

NCAA: Good. Looks like me an Sanctions caught you boys at breakfast. Sorry about that. Whatcha havin'?

Mr Guy: Hamburgers.

NCAA: Hamburgers! The cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast. What kind of hamburgers?

Mr Guy: Ch-cheeseburgers.

NCAA: No, no no, where'd you get 'em? McDonalds? Wendy's? Jack in the Box? Where?

Mr Guy: Big Kahuna Burger.

NCAA: Big Kahuna Burger. That's that Hawaiian burger joint. I hear they got some tasty burgers. I ain't never had one myself. How are they?

Mr Guy: They're good.

NCAA: Mind if I try one of yours? This is yours here, right?
[Picks up burger and takes a bite]

NCAA: Mmm-mmmm. That is a tasty burger. Sanctions, ever have a Big Kahuna Burger?
[Sanctions shakes his head]

NCAA: Wanna bite? They're real tasty.

Sanctions: Ain't hungry.

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Mr Guy: No.

NCAA: Tell 'em, Sanctions.

Sanctions: A Royale with cheese.

NCAA: A Royale with cheese! You know why they call it that?

Mr Guy: Because of the metric system?

NCAA: Check out the big brain on Mr Guy! You're a smart motherfarker. That's right. The metric system. What's in this?

Mr Guy: Sprite.

NCAA: Sprite, good. You mind if I have some of your tasty beverage to wash this down?

Mr Guy: Go right ahead.

NCAA: Ah, hit the spot.

NCAA: You, flock of seagulls, you know why we're here? Why don't you tell my man Sanctions where you got the shiat hid at?
NC State: It's over th...
NCAA: I don't remember askin' you a Goddamn thing! You were saying?
Football Program: It's in the cupboard.
[Sanctions starts looking in the upper cupboard]
Football Program: No, no, the one by your kn-knees.
NCAA: We happy?
[Sanctions continues staring at the briefcase's contents]
NCAA: Sanctions! We happy?
Sanctions: Yeah, we happy.
Mr Guy: I'm sorry, I didn't get your name. I got yours, Sanctions, right? But I didn't get yours...
NCAA: My name's Pitt. And your ass ain't talkin' your way out of this shiat.
Mr Guy: No, no, I just want you to know... I just want you to know how sorry we are that things got so farked up with us and College Sports. We got into this thing with the best intentions and I never...
NCAA: [NCAA shoots the Football Program] I'm sorry, did I break your concentration? I didn't mean to do that. Please, continue, you were saying something about best intentions. What's the matter? Oh, you were finished! Well, allow me to retort. What does College Sports look like?
Mr Guy: What?
NCAA: What country are you from?
Mr Guy: What? What? Wh - ?
NCAA: "What" ain't no country I've ever heard of. They speak English in What?
Mr Guy: What?
NCAA: English, motherfarker, do you speak it?
Mr Guy: Yes! Yes!
NCAA: Then you know what I'm sayin'!
Mr Guy: Yes!
NCAA: Describe what College Sports looks like!
Mr Guy: What?
NCAA: Say 'what' again. Say 'what' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfarker, say what one more Goddamn time!
 
2012-08-15 11:22:18 AM

Mr Guy: The Muthaship: I guess the difference is that the other students didn't need the class for eligibility to compete in a sport.

Perhaps not, but as long as the student athletes don't get an advantage, being an embarrassment is your own problem.


I'm not so sure. The university could take action against the students who got degrees without doing the work. The NCAA can take action against the school for allowing players to play who didn't.
 
2012-08-15 11:25:00 AM
UNC's basketball I can see. Their football team? They risked a scandal like this to suck that bad??

Haha!
 
2012-08-15 11:39:13 AM

browser_snake: This probably happens everywhere.

1. UNC created the AFAM department to increase minority enrollment and minority graduation rates.
2. Yes, it is an utterly easy and useless degree program.
3. Yes, minority students flock to take the easy classes.
4. Yes, the black football players also flock to these classes, and they get priority for enrolling in any class they want.
5. Yes, the advisors advise players to do this.

Is this some sort of scandal? No.
Do the faculty want to cover up and deflect criticism by pointing fingers at the athletic department? Yes.


You left off the most important one.

6. Don't actually hold the classes that the athletes signed up for.
 
2012-08-15 12:04:13 PM

LeafyGreens: UNC's basketball I can see. Their football team? They risked a scandal like this to suck that bad??

Haha!


After the scandal and all the ensuing fallout, all UNC ended up with were two straight appearances in the Meineke Car Care Bowl. That's just...wow...why???
 
2012-08-15 12:07:38 PM
SCANDAL!!!
*yawn
Business as usual at big money sports programs. But let's keep pretending.
 
2012-08-15 12:13:52 PM

damnproud1388: Surprised something like this hasn't come out sooner, but I'm surprised UNC was the first to fall. It's been my suspicion for a while that these basketball one-and-done collection schools are able to attract so many recruits because they don't actually make them do any work.

Recruit: "Hey Coach Calipari, why should I bring my basketball talents to [UMass/Memphis/Kentucky]?"
Calipari: "Well, you won't actually have to go to class at this school AND we'll give you a couple thousand dollars for 'groceries'"
Recruit: "Gee whiz, sign me up!"
Calipari: "Be sure to tell all of your summer-league friends so we can also make a run at the title during the 8 months you're on campus!"


One and done kids only have to go to go to classes for 1 semester, 18 weeks.

UNC should be penalized harshly.
 
2012-08-15 12:25:14 PM
This scandal pales compared to the PSU scandal.

/thanks for destroying any perspective of CFB scandals JoePa!
//and UNC didn't even get their money's worth for this scandal
 
2012-08-15 12:40:14 PM
I am SHOCKED ... SHOCKED to discover corruption in the NCAA.

/they gave Penn State a wrist slap for raping children
//UNC will breeze right through this
///the NFL and NBA need to switch to a farm team system, ASAP
 
2012-08-15 12:43:49 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: Penn State and UNC actually believe their own bullshiat.


THIS. The arrogance of PSU was simply mind boggling. The opening for the football game right after the scandal broke made the NE Patriot's Superbowl celebrations look modest by comparison.
 
2012-08-15 01:21:07 PM

The Muthaship: Mr Guy: UNC isn't being accused of having a crappy player only program. It's accused of having a couple stupid degrees available to all students.

FTA: Athletes staying eligible by getting grades in some classes that didn't even exist.

Hmmm.


Yeah, the article says that, but it's exaggerating to the point where they are pretty much lying. There were courses that were independent study that required a term paper for a grade. No lecture. That's hardly "classes that didn't even exist".
 
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