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(New York Daily News)   New York gets new smartphone app to report crimes, since calling 911 was much too difficult to remember   (nydailynews.com ) divider line
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2012-08-15 09:45:52 AM  
Whatever works.
 
2012-08-15 10:27:00 AM  
"Anonymously"

Definitely nothing personally identifiable in a smartphone.
 
2012-08-15 11:14:14 AM  
Yay a new app to report crimes to the black hole while the police write tickets to bicyclists for going too fast down an empty street

progress
 
2012-08-15 11:15:14 AM  
You still can't text 911 can you? You'd think they would have made that a priority since there are plenty of situations you might not be able to talk but want to alert the police where you are.
 
2012-08-15 11:15:25 AM  
Quick! What's the number for 911?
 
2012-08-15 11:15:59 AM  
Sometimes a crime doesn't require an instant emergency response. 911 is for emergencies.
 
2012-08-15 11:16:11 AM  
So I assume this is for the crimes that aren't really crimes.

"I ordered an extra large coke at Carl's Jr and they gave me a medium, but I am too much of a passive aggressive coward to go back"
 
2012-08-15 11:17:03 AM  
It's actually designed to bypass the police and report crime concerns to their local politicians. Some communities don't like calling the police for very good reason. It's not a 911 system.
 
2012-08-15 11:17:11 AM  
Operator, give me the number for 911!
 
2012-08-15 11:18:04 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: It's actually designed to bypass the police and report crime concerns to their local politicians. Some communities don't like calling the police for very good reason. It's not a 911 system.


Which is why it will get shut down as soon as people start using it to record and report police misconduct.
 
2012-08-15 11:19:05 AM  

cgraves67: Sometimes a crime doesn't require an instant emergency response. 911 is for emergencies.


This

darkmayo: So I assume this is for the crimes that aren't really crimes.

"I ordered an extra large coke at Carl's Jr and they gave me a medium, but I am too much of a passive aggressive coward to go back"


And this.

It probably has the added benefit of not tying up phone lines for real emergencies and allowing responders to queue properly.
 
2012-08-15 11:20:10 AM  
Sen. Eric Adams (D-Brooklyn) plans to unveil an app Sunday that goes around cops, letting users snap a picture of suspected criminal activity or make a voice recording describing what they've seen and submit it anonymously. A team of retired law enforcement volunteers will share it with investigators through a private Facebook page.

"It does away with the fear that people have - I don't want to walk into a precinct. I don't want to call the police and have them come to my house because the bad guys are going to see them," Adams said.

Some think the idea is off base.

"I think it's foolish," said Sen. Marty Golden (R-Brooklyn), also a former cop. "This can give people the opportunity to anonymously complain about police abuse and harassment, and we need to know who those people are, where they live, and what times they're home," he said.
 
2012-08-15 11:21:42 AM  
Sen. Eric Adams (D-Brooklyn) plans to unveil an app Sunday that goes around cops, letting users snap a picture of suspected criminal activity or make a voice recording describing what they've seen and submit it anonymously. A team of retired law enforcement volunteers will share it with investigators through a private Facebook page.


Facebook? *facepalm*

"Hey, let's use a social site - one that is solely dedicated to information gathering and has a poor privacy track record - to transmit potentially sensitive info to 'investigators'".

As a side issue, are people who are reluctant to make a phone call really going to be willing to get close enough to "suspected criminal activity" to get a pic with a smartphone?
 
2012-08-15 11:23:18 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: As a side issue, are people who are reluctant to make a phone call really going to be willing to get close enough to "suspected criminal activity" to get a pic with a smartphone?


youthvoices.net
Yep.
 
2012-08-15 11:24:07 AM  
Anonymity is a powerful force when collecting information about crimes or where a fugitive is located. Crime Stoppers uses an anonymous model, and has been extremely successful.

And, yes, smartphone and web-based tips can be conveyed anonymously. Crime Stoppers agencies have been using this kind of technology for several years.
 
2012-08-15 11:24:56 AM  
Welcome to the New York Police Department's 911 system. For Arabic, press "1". For Bantu, press "2",,,
 
2012-08-15 11:25:25 AM  
sounds nice. but, it's not a replacement of 911. it appears to be an alternative crime reporting method.

being that I live in a high crime city, you get to realize the reason crimes don't get solved is because people are afraid to go to the police. afraid of retaliation, afraid the cops/prosecutors won't convict, afraid some 14 year old kid wants to make a name for himself by killing the rat...

whatever. if you value your life, it's important to have unique ways to tell the police about serious crime in the area. it seems like an informant system which allows you to provide electronic data. that could help prosecution. of course, you won't be anonymous to the organization, but hopefully they can find a way to safeguard your info. otherwise, good luck.
 
2012-08-15 11:25:59 AM  

beezeltown: Anonymity is a powerful force when collecting information about crimes or where a fugitive is located. Crime Stoppers uses an anonymous model, and has been extremely successful.

And, yes, smartphone and web-based tips can be conveyed anonymously. Crime Stoppers agencies have been using this kind of technology for several years.


Doesn't your cell phone camera have exif data? If they have the GPS coordinates and serial number it wouldn't be too hard to figure out who submitted the tip. If the app strips that data couldn't they subpena the maker for the information?
 
2012-08-15 11:28:49 AM  

Carth: If the app strips that data couldn't they subpena the maker for the information?


Not if it actually strips the data, rather than sending it intact for stripping by the service provider. The most they could subpoena the app developer for is a statement saying "yes, the app strips the EXIF data prior to transmission."
 
2012-08-15 11:29:58 AM  
This also makes it easier for witnesses to report a crime without raising as much suspicion from the perpetrator. Reporting it silently via the app is a lot less obtrusive/obvious than dialing 911 and verbally reporting the crime, right in front of the perp.
 
2012-08-15 11:30:29 AM  

Theaetetus: Carth: If the app strips that data couldn't they subpena the maker for the information?

Not if it actually strips the data, rather than sending it intact for stripping by the service provider. The most they could subpoena the app developer for is a statement saying "yes, the app strips the EXIF data prior to transmission."


Oh ok. I didn't know if apps themselves were allowed to remove exif data or if it had to be done by the company sending the information.
 
2012-08-15 11:30:47 AM  
It's a marvelous new way to be passive-aggressive about your neighbor not picking up dog do.
 
2012-08-15 11:31:17 AM  
proof that we're all headed right in the shiater. It's like the old (insert hated ethnic group of choice here) joke: I tried to dial 911, but I couldn't find the 11 button. And now add, "but luckily my i-phone had an app for that"

/welcome to Costco. I love you
 
2012-08-15 11:31:30 AM  

Carth: beezeltown: Anonymity is a powerful force when collecting information about crimes or where a fugitive is located. Crime Stoppers uses an anonymous model, and has been extremely successful.

And, yes, smartphone and web-based tips can be conveyed anonymously. Crime Stoppers agencies have been using this kind of technology for several years.

Doesn't your cell phone camera have exif data? If they have the GPS coordinates and serial number it wouldn't be too hard to figure out who submitted the tip. If the app strips that data couldn't they subpena the maker for the information?


Why in the nine hells would the police want to out the sources to the criminals?
 
2012-08-15 11:35:00 AM  

jack21221: Carth: beezeltown: Anonymity is a powerful force when collecting information about crimes or where a fugitive is located. Crime Stoppers uses an anonymous model, and has been extremely successful.

And, yes, smartphone and web-based tips can be conveyed anonymously. Crime Stoppers agencies have been using this kind of technology for several years.

Doesn't your cell phone camera have exif data? If they have the GPS coordinates and serial number it wouldn't be too hard to figure out who submitted the tip. If the app strips that data couldn't they subpena the maker for the information?

Why in the nine hells would the police want to out the sources to the criminals?


What if the accused "criminal" is a police officer and the "source" is some whiny punk who needs to be taught a lesson?
 
2012-08-15 11:35:32 AM  
I can see the ads now...

"Are your neighbor's curtains unsitghtly? Want directions to a tourist attraction? Urgently need an officer to attend your home because Wendy's put mayo on your Baconator?

BQOL...There's an app for that."
 
2012-08-15 11:35:56 AM  

jack21221


Why in the nine hells would the police want to out the sources to the criminals?


If movies have taught me anything, it's that the cops will either have a family member in the criminal crew and/or will be receiving bribes.
 
2012-08-15 11:39:10 AM  
 
2012-08-15 11:41:59 AM  

Carth:
Which is why it will get shut down as soon as people start using it to record and report police misconduct.


This is why I wouldn't make a good American. I don't think I could spend my entire life filled with an irrational fear of every branch of government, cops, and everyone in authority. This chronic, ingrained, all-emcompassing paranoia you guys have must be exhausting. Maybe instead of a right to bear arms, you more urgently need the right to a warm hug and someone to sing "Soft Kitty" to you.
 
2012-08-15 11:47:30 AM  
they should change it to 0118 999 881 999 119 7253
 
2012-08-15 11:51:01 AM  

iheartscotch: Quick! What's the number for 911?


That joke has never been funny.
 
2012-08-15 11:51:43 AM  
I can certainly see a benefit of having precise location information sent from the phone by the app. Rather than reporting a crime "somewhere in Central Park", there's now a specific point that police can find quickly.
 
2012-08-15 11:52:06 AM  
i277.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-15 11:53:38 AM  
Yankees

Too damn dum to handle their own bidness. Gotta call the Man.

www.lionheart-designs.com
 
2012-08-15 11:59:45 AM  

jscart: 0118


♫ 0118-999-8-8-1-99-9119-725 ...... 3 ♫
 
2012-08-15 12:00:31 PM  
*scrolls back to top to see wtf the number was*

Yeah, call 911, stupids.
 
2012-08-15 12:02:00 PM  

jscart: they should change it to 0118 999 881 999 119 7253


I watched all 4 seasons over the weekend. Very funny.
 
2012-08-15 12:02:17 PM  

Sasquach: iheartscotch: Quick! What's the number for 911?

That joke has never been funny.


You're just jealous that I posted it first.

/ I keed, I keed

// sometimes I like stupid humor; especially if you groan when you hear it.
 
2012-08-15 12:05:01 PM  
The anonymity works something like this: report submitted by tipster online, by text, etc., report goes to a server in a foreign country, report is stripped and "repackaged" in an anonymous format in said foreign country, then routed back to applicable law enforcement in US; original report deleted from foreign server.

US law enforcement receives an anonymous message from a foreign server. They can use the information, or not. Attempts to subpoena or gather the information in any legal manner are worthless--original report is gone, and was in a foreign country, anyway.

I'm obviously not Mr. Technical, but this IS in fact how anonymous tips are being routed via Crime Stoppers. There are a couple of companies offering the services (TipSoft, Anderson, maybe others). Additionally, many states have statutes in place protecting Crime Stoppers-type tips from subpoena or other discovery.

Not to say that the NSA or some other spy agency couldn't intercept this information, etc., but it's pretty hard to imagine an analyst in McClean tracking Billy's brother who stole a car in Brooklyn.
 
2012-08-15 12:05:28 PM  

BalugaJoe: jscart: they should change it to 0118 999 881 999 119 7253

I watched all 4 seasons over the weekend. Very funny.


It's a shame they canceled it, it's one of the best shows I've seen in years.

/The Hawk said it was OK
 
2012-08-15 12:08:19 PM  
A team of retired law enforcement volunteers will share it with investigators through a private Facebook page.


Ok. how come these guys get a private page and everyone else's is subject to being perused by anonymous FB staff so they can add the right ads?
 
2012-08-15 12:13:19 PM  
 
2012-08-15 12:13:32 PM  

jscart: BalugaJoe: jscart: they should change it to 0118 999 881 999 119 7253

I watched all 4 seasons over the weekend. Very funny.

It's a shame they canceled it, it's one of the best shows I've seen in years.

/The Hawk said it was OK


Agreed. I wish there was more. Very funny stuff.
 
2012-08-15 12:15:07 PM  
I tried 111, 211, 311. Finally I tried 411, and they told me to call 911.

/no, you have the wrong number -- this is 91..2
 
2012-08-15 12:19:41 PM  

Ambitwistor: I tried 111, 211, 311. Finally I tried 411, and they told me to call 911.

/no, you have the wrong number -- this is 91..2


I dialed 9 eleven times, just said it was no longer in service.
 
2012-08-15 12:40:36 PM  
Sounds good to me.
There's a lot of non-emergency crimes and bullshiat that people would report if it wasn't such a goddamm hassle.

Fire off a geotagged pic or clip and get on with life.
 
2012-08-15 12:50:01 PM  

jack21221: Carth: beezeltown: Anonymity is a powerful force when collecting information about crimes or where a fugitive is located. Crime Stoppers uses an anonymous model, and has been extremely successful.

And, yes, smartphone and web-based tips can be conveyed anonymously. Crime Stoppers agencies have been using this kind of technology for several years.

Doesn't your cell phone camera have exif data? If they have the GPS coordinates and serial number it wouldn't be too hard to figure out who submitted the tip. If the app strips that data couldn't they subpena the maker for the information?

Why in the nine hells would the police want to out the sources to the criminals?


A lot of informants, particularly in the drug trade, are in the game themselves and just want their competition out of the way. Some people know that if they're identified as a complainant they'll have to testify in court, and other folks just don't like police very much and would rather not deal with them.
 
2012-08-15 12:53:21 PM  

jscart: they should change it to 0118 999 881 999 119 7253


you can always send an email to get the fire dept.
 
2012-08-15 01:02:47 PM  
B-b-b-ut the terrorists chose that date so that we may NEVAR FORGET!
 
2012-08-15 01:04:19 PM  
Just a few weeks ago I was thinking about an app like this.

You could take photos or video of a crime/accident as it is occurring and the app would send the GPS coordinates to the police, with the media to follow.
 
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