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2012-08-15 12:33:16 PM  

2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.

The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.


Having been around guns all my life and having worked in a gun store: Get more training, genius.

The vast majority of handguns are designed to not fire accidentally and are drop tested a ridiculous number of times to make sure they can't fire if dropped, but you still don't trust Murphy. Shooting yourself is bad enough, what if it was your wife/girlfriend/daughter in the next seat who catches the bullet?
 
2012-08-15 12:33:34 PM  

2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.

The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.


How well does a gun that accidentally goes off and hits a random person protect anyone? Like on a scale of -10 to 10, what would be your best quantitative value? Take all the time you need.
 
2012-08-15 12:33:57 PM  

snocone: MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.

And just how do you propose to regulate dumbasses?
I mean, it has been tried.
Regulating smartasses will not affect dumbasses and the only negligence is expecting someone else to do it for you.


So your theseis is that society should never attempt to ameliorate or improve any situation unless there is an ironclad certainty of 100% success? Well, that paradigm ought to simplify life considerably.
The fact is that there is a moderate, reasonable amount of dumbass-control that a society can, in fact, egage in with some limited success, and no real impact on civil liberties, and societies that do are better for it.
A free society is not one in which anybody can do any goddamn thing they please.
 
2012-08-15 12:36:38 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: [i0006.photobucket.com image 250x250]

Not impressed


Done in one!

+1 subby!
 
2012-08-15 12:38:04 PM  

MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?


Arizona's CC is free for the asking. Apparently self-maiming gunslingers was part of the reason to change the law to allow for more of that sport.

My family prefers Buntline Specials in an appropriate long holster -- that way you get the calf of the leg or the odd toe, but your vital butt cheeks are spared (at least by the lone gunslinger).

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2012-08-15 12:38:38 PM  
Had he been handcuffed by the Jonesboro police?
 
2012-08-15 12:39:27 PM  
So was this theater designated a "gun-free zone"?
 
2012-08-15 12:42:21 PM  
FTFA: The man has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, Dyer added.

Not anymore, I bet.
 
2012-08-15 12:43:49 PM  
Did he set the alarm off leaving the theatre?
 
2012-08-15 12:47:47 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Nezorf: How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?
You are watching an action packed thriller with gunshots galore?

I don't think you meant this seriously, but I've seen other comments that did. I really don't see how you could confuse an actual gunshot for a movie sound effect. They really don't sound much alike, and the real thing is unmistakably, incredibly loud compared to theater speakers.


Oh yeah I know, but a lot of people don't know.
130db+ is really loud.

I had an old roommate from the burbs who moved to the big bad city of Minneapolis. For the first month he would perk up and look at me whenever there was a pop or clap outside. Multiple times he would ask if they were gunshots, and every time they weren't. I'm talking the volume of clapping together two 2x4's.

They probably heard the first one and then assumed every pop after that was an AK-47 blazing at full auto.....
 
2012-08-15 12:47:58 PM  

MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.


Agreed. And that permit should be revoked immediately in cases of dumb negligence. I don't care that no one else was hurt, if you can't be bothered to properly secure your weapon, no carry for you.
 
2012-08-15 12:48:08 PM  
Come on, guys. If he hadn't had a gun it just would have been something else he would have maimed himself with...
 
2012-08-15 12:53:52 PM  

2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.

The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.


Right.... "ALWAYS" have one in the chamber.... because if SHTF, the extra .08 seconds it takes to pull the slide back is really going to make a difference after 1) Identifying there is an issue that is going to require this dumb-f*ck to go for his weapon, 2) standup out of a movie theather chair (Given this was Sparks, NV., I'm guessing this was a 280lb+ fat old white guy), 3) dig the pistol out of his pocket (more time consuming than a holster), 4) acquire his target, 5) shoot.

I'm estimating the non-combat suspecting movie goer in this case would take at least 4 or 5 seconds to even get out of his chair. Pullng the slide back to chamber a round would not be a major factor.
 
2012-08-15 01:02:01 PM  
The man has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, Dyer added.

Not any more if there is any justice. He was granted a privilege by the community and failed to take it responsibly.

He should not be allowed anything more dangerous than a butter knife.
 
2012-08-15 01:06:57 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: You know, there's gun safety and then there are safe guns and holsters. There are 3 things you can safely assume here concerning the shooter's actions. 1, there was a bullet in the chamber/pipe. 2, the gun has no safety or the safety was off was in complete disrepair and UNSAFE for use. 3, the gun was not in a holster that prevents the trigger from being manipulated while the weapon is holstered.

It all comes down to the idiot behind the trigger here. Or in front of, in this case since he Forrest Gumped himself.


Forest Gump'ed himself... I like it! A few notes about "safety." There are many guns that dont have "active safeties." Glock's, Sigs, and MANY other brands have guns that dont have a safety that you can flip on or off. However my Sig, all Glocks, all 1911's have several "passive safeties" There is a lock on the firing pin that prevents it from hitting the bullet, there is a block between the hammer and the firing pin, and there is a trigger disconnect. You have to have a really old revolver or a weapon in complete disrepair to have a malfunction like in this article.

Bottom line, your assessment was correct
 
2012-08-15 01:07:35 PM  
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2012-08-15 01:08:00 PM  
realmojo: [www.kafejo.com image 360x257]

I see I'm not needed here.
 
2012-08-15 01:08:24 PM  
One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.
 
2012-08-15 01:08:51 PM  

BurnShrike: cgraves67: Whoops, sorry about that. Mind if I slide past you here to limp into the lobby?

More importantly, which way did he face while passing people? Do you stick your groin in their face, or your (bleeding) buttocks?


If it's hot chicks then groin

If doctors who may have forceps and a suture kit with them, then butt-ocks.

And NO, it is NOT OK to comet-tail when doing this.
 
2012-08-15 01:08:56 PM  
If I was there with my gun that I didn't have to have a background check to get at Wlamart, I could have stopped him.
 
2012-08-15 01:11:28 PM  

davidab: Mr. Eugenides: You know, there's gun safety and then there are safe guns and holsters. There are 3 things you can safely assume here concerning the shooter's actions. 1, there was a bullet in the chamber/pipe. 2, the gun has no safety or the safety was off was in complete disrepair and UNSAFE for use. 3, the gun was not in a holster that prevents the trigger from being manipulated while the weapon is holstered.

It all comes down to the idiot behind the trigger here. Or in front of, in this case since he Forrest Gumped himself.

Forest Gump'ed himself... I like it! A few notes about "safety." There are many guns that dont have "active safeties." Glock's, Sigs, and MANY other brands have guns that dont have a safety that you can flip on or off. However my Sig, all Glocks, all 1911's have several "passive safeties" There is a lock on the firing pin that prevents it from hitting the bullet, there is a block between the hammer and the firing pin, and there is a trigger disconnect. You have to have a really old revolver or a weapon in complete disrepair to have a malfunction like in this article.

Bottom line, your assessment was correct


Forrest got shot in the ass rescuing wounded men from a firefight in Vietnam. Not quite the same as shooting yourself in the ass while watching a movie.
 
2012-08-15 01:12:34 PM  

lostcat: One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.


Dropped guns don't go off... unless they do. Got it?
 
2012-08-15 01:14:08 PM  

BurnShrike: cgraves67: Whoops, sorry about that. Mind if I slide past you here to limp into the lobby?

More importantly, which way did he face while passing people? Do you stick your groin in their face, or your (bleeding) buttocks?


www.daftblogger.com
Wonders the same thing on airplanes...
 
2012-08-15 01:15:13 PM  
One caller told police that seven to eight shots were fired in the theater, but police later determined only one shot was involved

Farking really? That witness probably drives a Prius and voted for Obama.

/Guns are teh evil.
 
2012-08-15 01:17:07 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Allen. The end.: Seriously, in his POCKET? Pull his guns; he's obviously an idiot looking to be Charles Bronson.

Pocket carry can be safe. You just need to use a pocket holster. A pocket holster will do several things for you:
1. It keeps the gun in your pocket
2. It completely covers the trigger so it can't be inadvertently pulled or blocked
3. It keeps anything else that might be in your pocket from interacting with the gun (although it really should be the only thing in your pocket)
4. It keeps the gun's orientation consistent, so if you do need it, you won't have to fumble around for a proper grip
5. It breaks up the outline of the gun for better concealment

With all they do for you, and as cheap as they are, I don't see why anyone wouldn't use one.


This.
So. Much. This.

Use a farking holster people. Not just gansta-style a gun into your waistband.
 
2012-08-15 01:19:21 PM  
I call shenanigans. No way there were 30 people seeing The Bourne Legacy.

/also, it's spelled 'dying'
 
2012-08-15 01:20:33 PM  

lostcat: One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.


I'm guessing he had it in his back pocket, shifted his fat ass and it went off. Or he possibly had it in his wasteband in the small of his back without a holster, shifted and it went off.

I can't really see in movie theater style seats a pistol falling through the narrow sides of the chair with arm rests on both sides, nor it falling out of his pocket, traveling behind his back, and then falling to the floor.

and, "guns don't just go off". trigger pin's keep the gun from firing when they're dropped. so either this was a pretty old pistol, or a pistol that was problematic to begin with. (Putting problems without a safety in your pocket is a really bad idea, FYI).
 
2012-08-15 01:21:24 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: For this you must have a prehensile penis to hold the weapon once it is thrust into the pants.


Catch-22. People who own guns don't have long penises.

/snark
 
2012-08-15 01:27:35 PM  

Historyteller: 2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.

The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.

Having been around guns all my life and having worked in a gun store: Get more training, genius.

The vast majority of handguns are designed to not fire accidentally and are drop tested a ridiculous number of times to make sure they can't fire if dropped, but you still don't trust Murphy. Shooting yourself is bad enough, what if it was your wife/girlfriend/daughter in the next seat who catches the bullet?


Why are you responding to me? Surely it was a mistake because it seems that you are arguing point that neither I nor the person I quoted were talking about. (number of shots and witnesses)

Get more training! HA! I have had 240 hrs of tactical shooting school, oh and I was born an raised in WV, we get a gun on our first birthday.

Empty chambers only under the hammer on a revolver...genius
 
2012-08-15 01:29:18 PM  
Nevada Theater Assacre!
 
2012-08-15 01:31:51 PM  

boozehat: 2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.

The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.

Right.... "ALWAYS" have one in the chamber.... because if SHTF, the extra .08 seconds it takes to pull the slide back is really going to make a difference after 1) Identifying there is an issue that is going to require this dumb-f*ck to go for his weapon, 2) standup out of a movie theather chair (Given this was Sparks, NV., I'm guessing this was a 280lb+ fat old white guy), 3) dig the pistol out of his pocket (more time consuming than a holster), 4) acquire his target, 5) shoot.

I'm estimating the non-combat suspecting movie goer in this case would take at least 4 or 5 seconds to even get out of his chair. Pullng the slide back to chamber a round would not be a major factor.


It actually does....see above post on my training. We would run drills with snap caps and a person with a knife/weapon 25 feet away from you would "attack" and you would try to get "shot" off. They can get to you ALMOST as fast as you can draw and definitely before you chamber.

And the fact that you think that shows you have handled few weapons in your life
 
2012-08-15 01:33:24 PM  

Carn: 2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.

The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.

How well does a gun that accidentally goes off and hits a random person protect anyone? Like on a scale of -10 to 10, what would be your best quantitative value? Take all the time you need.


If a gun is properly maintained and concealed they do not accidentally go off. Period

This guy needs his CCW permit revoked
 
2012-08-15 01:36:19 PM  

lostcat: One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.


Most likely this guy was carrying in a pocket and not using a holster. He shifted, the trigger snagged, *bang*. Pure speculation, barring further info.

He should lose his permit privileges and he should face charges for the negligent discharge, if that is what happened.


//Yes carrying is privilege not a right.
 
2012-08-15 01:39:22 PM  

lostcat: One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.


I'm pretty sure "I dropped it and it went off" belongs in the same category as "accidentally shot himself in the head while cleaning his gun."
 
2012-08-15 01:40:10 PM  

2KanZam: Carn: 2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.

The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.

How well does a gun that accidentally goes off and hits a random person protect anyone? Like on a scale of -10 to 10, what would be your best quantitative value? Take all the time you need.

If a gun is properly maintained and concealed they do not accidentally go off. Period

This guy needs his CCW permit revoked


Completely agree. Forgive my previous snark, but cases like these are awfully good examples of why it would be a good idea to make it harder for people to get a CCW permit, wouldn't you agree? Imagine if you will:

CCW Permit Issuer: Please demonstrate safely holstering and removing your weapon five times, go.
CCW Requestor: One, Two, Three, BANG
CCW Permit Issuer: Permit denied! Next!
 
2012-08-15 01:44:57 PM  

2KanZam: boozehat: 2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.

The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.

Right.... "ALWAYS" have one in the chamber.... because if SHTF, the extra .08 seconds it takes to pull the slide back is really going to make a difference after 1) Identifying there is an issue that is going to require this dumb-f*ck to go for his weapon, 2) standup out of a movie theather chair (Given this was Sparks, NV., I'm guessing this was a 280lb+ fat old white guy), 3) dig the pistol out of his pocket (more time consuming than a holster), 4) acquire his target, 5) shoot.

I'm estimating the non-combat suspecting movie goer in this case would take at least 4 or 5 seconds to even get out of his chair. Pullng the slide back to chamber a round would not be a major factor.

It actually does....see above post on my training. We would run drills with snap caps and a person with a knife/weapon 25 feet away from you would "attack" and you would try to get "shot" off. They can get to you ALMOST as fast as you can draw and definitely before you chamber.

And the fact that you think that shows you have handled few weapons in your life


Well, I don't have 240 hours of tactical shooting lessons, nor do I need to be at the gym in 26 minutes. But I do get out a few times a month to shoot with my modest collection.

My point was the "ALWAYS" portion of the comment, as in all caps which seems to stress the idea that a semi-auto fire arm should "NEVER" be caried without a bullet chambered, is debatable.

It's really cute that you came out of the vag with a gun in hand; I'm sure that made your baby pictures even that much more adorable. I also feel much better knowing someone like you has had good training and can protect other's around you in the time of need....

.....But if you think this jackhole who puts a loaded gun into his pants pocket without a holster, with pockets that are so big and loose that his loaded pistol can just simply fall out, and a pistol that is in such sh*ty condition that it goes off when dropped, is in the right, well you're entitled to your opinion I guess.
 
2012-08-15 01:45:22 PM  
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RIP Sparxxx man.
 
2012-08-15 01:46:04 PM  

Carn: Completely agree. Forgive my previous snark, but cases like these are awfully good examples of why it would be a good idea to make it harder for people to get a CCW permit, wouldn't you agree? Imagine if you will:

CCW Permit Issuer: Please demonstrate safely holstering and removing your weapon five times, go.
CCW Requestor: One, Two, Three, BANG
CCW Permit Issuer: Permit denied! Next!


I wouldn't want to be standing in that line.
 
2012-08-15 01:50:42 PM  

PsyLord:

Right, they also have small pocket holsters too. However, you rarely see people use those when sticking a gun into their waistband/pocket in the movies. They just stick the firearm there commando style.


The proper term is "Mexican carry"
 
2012-08-15 01:54:02 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: 2KanZam: The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

I thought that was odd, too. As I just mentioned, gunshots are farking loud.


I'm guessing the guy was carrying a cheap, low caliber derringer.
 
2012-08-15 01:56:35 PM  

Carn: Completely agree. Forgive my previous snark, but cases like these are awfully good examples of why it would be a good idea to make it harder for people to get a CCW permit, wouldn't you agree? Imagine if you will:

CCW Permit Issuer: Please demonstrate safely holstering and removing your weapon five times, go.
CCW Requestor: One, Two, Three, BANG
CCW Permit Issuer: Permit denied! Next!


There are technical reasons why a test like that isn't helpful, but there's a larger problem: people don't do dumb shiat like this because they don't know better. They do dumb shiat like this because they're dumb, lazy and not safety conscious. Let me say that again. Ignorance is not the problem; assholes who can't be bothered to be safe are the problem. Any idiot can pass a basic safety class because it's really simple stuff. That doesn't mean that they'll actually apply what they've learned once the class is over.

Every organization I'm a part of has safety front and center, so it's virtually impossible not to know how to do things the right way. Yet we still have incidences like this because many individuals don't think it's relevant to them. They've been shooting since they've been crawling, so following The Rules isn't necessary for them. They're too good to screw up. Following The Rules is for newbs. They sneer at The Rules. If you ask them to not be a dangerous asshole around you, at best they'll graciously humor you until you leave.

In case you can't tell, this kind of pisses me off.
 
2012-08-15 01:57:02 PM  

davidab: MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.

Agreed! Plus what is the condition of the firearm? Guns dont go off when dropped unless something is severely wrong... Even a poorly maintained gun should only discharge when the trigger is pulled.


Cheapassed derringer, or maybe a 1911 with the hammer down and the safety off (if so, he's a double dumbass). Otherwise, I think some details were omitted by the shooter/shootee (who happen to be the same person). If there was nothing mechanically wrong with the gun, he probably farked up and worked the trigger while adjusting himself.
 
2012-08-15 01:57:44 PM  

BarefootInTheFark: Used to have to travel to Reno occasionally, and was warned about Sparks. They told me the people there weren't quite right and called them Sparklers.

/no one liked traveling to the Reno office
//it's not quite Hell, but close enough you can see Sparks


Reno: the biggest little trailer park in the world!
 
2012-08-15 02:01:49 PM  

MythDragon: Carn: Completely agree. Forgive my previous snark, but cases like these are awfully good examples of why it would be a good idea to make it harder for people to get a CCW permit, wouldn't you agree? Imagine if you will:

CCW Permit Issuer: Please demonstrate safely holstering and removing your weapon five times, go.
CCW Requestor: One, Two, Three, BANG
CCW Permit Issuer: Permit denied! Next!

I wouldn't want to be standing in that line.


Yeah, me neither. Maybe they can have a special testing tunnel.
 
2012-08-15 02:05:24 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Carn: Completely agree. Forgive my previous snark, but cases like these are awfully good examples of why it would be a good idea to make it harder for people to get a CCW permit, wouldn't you agree? Imagine if you will:

CCW Permit Issuer: Please demonstrate safely holstering and removing your weapon five times, go.
CCW Requestor: One, Two, Three, BANG
CCW Permit Issuer: Permit denied! Next!

There are technical reasons why a test like that isn't helpful, but there's a larger problem: people don't do dumb shiat like this because they don't know better. They do dumb shiat like this because they're dumb, lazy and not safety conscious. Let me say that again. Ignorance is not the problem; assholes who can't be bothered to be safe are the problem. Any idiot can pass a basic safety class because it's really simple stuff. That doesn't mean that they'll actually apply what they've learned once the class is over.

Every organization I'm a part of has safety front and center, so it's virtually impossible not to know how to do things the right way. Yet we still have incidences like this because many individuals don't think it's relevant to them. They've been shooting since they've been crawling, so following The Rules isn't necessary for them. They're too good to screw up. Following The Rules is for newbs. They sneer at The Rules. If you ask them to not be a dangerous asshole around you, at best they'll graciously humor you until you leave.

In case you can't tell, this kind of pisses me off.


There must be some way to make it a tad more difficult to get that won't just be a cakewalk. In addition, putting extremely hefty fines on crimes like these or if unable to pay the fine, confiscating any and all weapons from the person might get the point across. "If you're not safe with your weapons, we will take them from you" is not unreasonable.
 
2012-08-15 02:06:39 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: lostcat: One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.

Most likely this guy was carrying in a pocket and not using a holster. He shifted, the trigger snagged, *bang*. Pure speculation, barring further info.

He should lose his permit privileges and he should face charges for the negligent discharge, if that is what happened.


//Yes carrying is privilege not a right.


This Nevada. We permit open carry without a permit. I'm fine with this guy losing his CFP. He still gets to carry, and everyone can see it.
 
2012-08-15 02:09:45 PM  

CthulhuCalling: or maybe a 1911 with the hammer down and the safety off


I doubt that would do it. The firing pin on a 1911 is inertial; the hammer doesn't drive it all the way to the primer. When down, the hammer rests on the slide in a 1911 so it can't move any farther forward if struck. While it's possible that the firing pin could be "Netwon's cradled" into the primer, I wouldn't expect it to. And wouldn't the firing pin stop prevent it too? I'm only familiar with WWII era 1911s, so I don't really know how that particular safety operates.
 
2012-08-15 02:10:48 PM  
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RIP PJ SPARXX
 
2012-08-15 02:25:56 PM  
must have been fumbling for his will rogers institute donation
 
2012-08-15 02:29:25 PM  

2KanZam: Why are you responding to me? Surely it was a mistake because it seems that you are arguing point that neither I nor the person I quoted were talking about. (number of shots and witnesses)

Get more training! HA! I have had 240 hrs of tactical shooting school, oh and I was born an raised in WV, we get a gun on our first birthday.

Empty chambers only under the hammer on a revolver...genius


Does this "tactical shooting school have a name? I'm betting on 2KanZam's Bar & Grill, but I'm willing to be surprised.

If you carry in public with one in the pipe, you're a threat to everyone around you.
 
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