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2012-08-15 09:53:31 AM  
i0006.photobucket.com

Not impressed
 
2012-08-15 09:57:16 AM  
Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.
 
2012-08-15 10:02:12 AM  
What what in his butt?
 
2012-08-15 10:23:01 AM  
the unidentified Sparks resident was seeing "The Bourne Legacy,"

It's not a mistake. They don't make mistakes. They don't do random. There's always an objective. Always a target.
 
2012-08-15 11:21:33 AM  

MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.


It usually does. It doesn't cure stupidity.
 
2012-08-15 11:22:05 AM  
Whoops, sorry about that. Mind if I slide past you here to limp into the lobby?
 
2012-08-15 11:22:35 AM  

MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.


In civilized states, this is already required. Entering your typical red state is akin to passing through a construction zone. Do so at your own risk.
 
2012-08-15 11:22:44 AM  
Thank gawd for the heroic concealed weapons carriers.
 
2012-08-15 11:23:28 AM  
He apologized? Huh. Maybe an armed society is a polite society.
 
2012-08-15 11:23:47 AM  

MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.


And just how do you propose to regulate dumbasses?
I mean, it has been tried.
Regulating smartasses will not affect dumbasses and the only negligence is expecting someone else to do it for you.
 
2012-08-15 11:23:56 AM  
It's good to know that if a mass killer opened fire in the theater, this hero could have been there to return fire and shoot himself.
 
2012-08-15 11:23:59 AM  
A nice butt hole tattoo should cover up the scar.
 
2012-08-15 11:24:20 AM  
I shot my butt in Reno -- just to watch it die.
 
2012-08-15 11:24:22 AM  
Seriously, he claims his weapon discharged after falling from his pocket, and hitting the floor...

This is the guy who has a homework eating dog, I bet.
 
2012-08-15 11:25:34 AM  
Two things:

TFA: "The (man) was cooperative with police and admitted that his gun fell out of his pocket and when it hit the floor it discharged," Dyer said in the police statement.

ORLY?

TFA: One caller told police that seven to eight shots were fired in the theater, but police later determined only one shot was involved.

Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?
 
2012-08-15 11:25:39 AM  
Gee, thanks Forrest.

"Yassuh, directly in the butt-tocks."
 
2012-08-15 11:25:44 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.

It usually does. It doesn't cure stupidity.


Do you lose you CC permit (or have it suspended pending a retest) when you do something stupid like this?
 
2012-08-15 11:25:47 AM  
I feel a lot safer knowing I might be sitting next to a heroic hero such as this at the next movie I see.
 
2012-08-15 11:25:49 AM  
Can't wait to hear about a kid being killed during a Disney movie because some jackoff's CCH fell out of his pocket.

/CCH carrier
 
2012-08-15 11:26:49 AM  

maxximillian: Do you lose you CC permit (or have it suspended pending a retest) when you do something stupid like this?


Yes. In NC, at least.
 
2012-08-15 11:27:54 AM  
You know, there's gun safety and then there are safe guns and holsters. There are 3 things you can safely assume here concerning the shooter's actions. 1, there was a bullet in the chamber/pipe. 2, the gun has no safety or the safety was off. 3, the gun was not in a holster that prevents the trigger from being manipulated while the weapon is holstered.

It all comes down to the idiot behind the trigger here. Or in front of, in this case since he Forrest Gumped himself.
 
2012-08-15 11:28:01 AM  
Seriously, in his POCKET? Pull his guns; he's obviously an idiot looking to be Charles Bronson.
 
2012-08-15 11:28:10 AM  
good thing he didn't accidentally kill someone
 
2012-08-15 11:28:49 AM  
"Accidently"? Really?
 
2012-08-15 11:29:05 AM  
Someday someone with a gun will stop someone from committing a gun crime.

Then you'll see why guns need to be easily accessible to anyone regardless of their mental state.
 
2012-08-15 11:30:18 AM  
He Plaxicoed himself, he did.
 
2012-08-15 11:30:59 AM  
not sure how it is in NV but in MN a business owner can post a sign saying that CC weapons are not allowed in the building. Many states have CC laws against carrying in churches, malls, etc.

did this guy break and CC laws in NV?
 
2012-08-15 11:31:38 AM  
Mr. Eugenides: You know, there's gun safety and then there are safe guns and holsters. There are 3 things you can safely assume here concerning the shooter's actions. 1, there was a bullet in the chamber/pipe. 2, the gun has no safety or the safety was off. 3, the gun was not in a holster that prevents the trigger from being manipulated while the weapon is holstered.

It all comes down to the idiot behind the trigger here. Or in front of, in this case since he Forrest Gumped himself.


Yep.
 
2012-08-15 11:32:32 AM  

cgraves67: Whoops, sorry about that. Mind if I slide past you here to limp into the lobby?


Heh, I thought of Kramer dumping his coffee on his lap.
 
2012-08-15 11:33:13 AM  
When it happened he should have jumped up and said "Something bit me!"
 
2012-08-15 11:34:28 AM  
I guess he didn't have his pistol in a holster in his pocket.
 
2012-08-15 11:35:18 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: ...How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?


Dolby Surround 7.1?
 
2012-08-15 11:36:10 AM  
PhiloeBedoe
*image

Someone needs to give credit on this one. Nice job, brother.
 
2012-08-15 11:36:45 AM  

tom baker's scarf: not sure how it is in NV but in MN a business owner can post a sign saying that CC weapons are not allowed in the building. Many states have CC laws against carrying in churches, malls, etc.

did this guy break and CC laws in NV?


While it is true that business owners can post no weapons signs, they arent legally obligating at all. All they can do once they know you have a gun, is ask you to leave, and if you dont, then they can press trespassing charges.

Most states that have CC laws have a "public gathering" clause, that says you cant bring the weapon to large public gatherings. This can include sporting events, church events, and yes, movie theaters.
 
2012-08-15 11:36:49 AM  
www.kafejo.com
 
2012-08-15 11:37:10 AM  
i1245.photobucket.com
/what a Sparks man looks like.
 
2012-08-15 11:37:21 AM  
Let's see. Illegally discharging a firearm within city limits. Check. Reckless endangerment. Check. Fleeing the scene of a crime. Check.
I don't pretend to actually know what laws he violated, but I imagine there were a few.
 
2012-08-15 11:37:29 AM  
That must have been a really bad date.
 
2012-08-15 11:37:44 AM  
Oh, and its complete bullshiat that he says he dropped the weapon on the ground and it fired up at his butt. He put the thing in his pants and pulled the trigger.
 
2012-08-15 11:38:39 AM  
Yeah, because that extra fraction of a second you need to put one in the chamber could be the difference between you dieing and an innocent bystander dieing of your blatant stupidity.

/cue the gun nuts
//learn how to defend yourselves with your hands, pussies!
 
2012-08-15 11:39:23 AM  

cgraves67: Whoops, sorry about that. Mind if I slide past you here to limp into the lobby?


More importantly, which way did he face while passing people? Do you stick your groin in their face, or your (bleeding) buttocks?
 
2012-08-15 11:39:54 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: Two things:

TFA: "The (man) was cooperative with police and admitted that his gun fell out of his pocket and when it hit the floor it discharged," Dyer said in the police statement.

ORLY?

TFA: One caller told police that seven to eight shots were fired in the theater, but police later determined only one shot was involved.

Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

.
.
My guess is that it was an AP reporter seeing the movie.
 
2012-08-15 11:40:07 AM  
If only more people carried guns, this kind of thing wouldn't happen.
 
2012-08-15 11:40:50 AM  

Allen. The end.: Seriously, in his POCKET? Pull his guns; he's obviously an idiot looking to be Charles Bronson.


Pocket carry can be safe. You just need to use a pocket holster. A pocket holster will do several things for you:
1. It keeps the gun in your pocket
2. It completely covers the trigger so it can't be inadvertently pulled or blocked
3. It keeps anything else that might be in your pocket from interacting with the gun (although it really should be the only thing in your pocket)
4. It keeps the gun's orientation consistent, so if you do need it, you won't have to fumble around for a proper grip
5. It breaks up the outline of the gun for better concealment

With all they do for you, and as cheap as they are, I don't see why anyone wouldn't use one.
 
2012-08-15 11:42:10 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: Two things:

TFA: "The (man) was cooperative with police and admitted that his gun fell out of his pocket and when it hit the floor it discharged," Dyer said in the police statement.

ORLY?

TFA: One caller told police that seven to eight shots were fired in the theater, but police later determined only one shot was involved.

Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?


maybe they counted the echos.
 
2012-08-15 11:42:48 AM  

Allen. The end.: Seriously, in his POCKET? Pull his guns; he's obviously an idiot looking to be Charles Bronson.


Yeah, no, pocket carry is pretty common for small guns, and like the poster above says, a proper holster would have prevented this accident.
 
2012-08-15 11:42:53 AM  
It's Plaxico Burress' fault. Damn copycats!
 
2012-08-15 11:43:56 AM  

Alonjar: Oh, and its complete bullshiat that he says he dropped the weapon on the ground and it fired up at his butt. He put the thing in his pants and pulled the trigger.


Even really cheap pos "guns" do not discharge when dropped.
/hollywood

//but don't bet your life on it
 
2012-08-15 11:44:24 AM  
I wonder if he left his popcorn behind.
 
2012-08-15 11:44:28 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?


The miracle of Jesus surrounded her and protected her from the bullet. The sound of the single shot echoed inside the Jesus bubble making it sound like 7 or 8 shots.
 
2012-08-15 11:44:41 AM  

The Bunyip: I shot my butt in Reno -- just to watch it die.


Your newsletter, good sir. I wish to subscribe to it.

/ Oh - and you owe me a new keyboard.
 
2012-08-15 11:45:14 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Uh..Uh.....I know what your thinking...did he shoot eight shots...or only seven Well come to think of it - in all this confusion - I kinda lost track my self.....Now, seein' as this is a '44 Magnum...the most powerful handgun in the world...and capable of blowing your ass..clean..-off...you gotta ask yourself just one question....'Do I feel lucky?'....Well do ya PUNK!"

>
 
2012-08-15 11:46:15 AM  

Rufus Lee King: Whoops! Sorry! Meant to shoot some white folks! Catch me next time!



I'm a little slow on the uptake. Can you explain your comment to me? Why would the man want to shoot white people?
 
2012-08-15 11:47:57 AM  
Protip #1: don't stick a pistol in your waistband/pocket like you see in the movies. You're just gonna blow off your junk.

Protip #2: don't hold and fire your gun sideways 'gangsta style' like you see in the movies. You're just going to miss and also have the bullet casing eject into your face.

/more from Ric Romero at 11.
 
2012-08-15 11:49:13 AM  

realmojo: [www.kafejo.com image 360x257]


Clearly that town warn't big enough for both of them...
 
2012-08-15 11:49:42 AM  
Having that guy around sounds like a real pain in the ass.
 
2012-08-15 11:51:26 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-15 11:51:28 AM  

PhiloeBedoe: [i0006.photobucket.com image 250x250]

Not impressed


/appreciated
 
2012-08-15 11:51:58 AM  

Sybarite: the unidentified Sparks resident was seeing "The Bourne Legacy,"

It's not a mistake. They don't make mistakes. They don't do random. There's always an objective. Always a target.


Nice
 
2012-08-15 11:52:01 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

In the butt-tocks.
 
2012-08-15 11:52:40 AM  
Why don't we ever hear about somebody being shot in a theater because they won't STFU? It needs to happen frequently.
 
2012-08-15 11:53:09 AM  

PsyLord: Protip #1: don't stick a pistol in your waistband/pocket like you see in the movies. You're just gonna blow off your junk.

Protip #2: don't hold and fire your gun sideways 'gangsta style' like you see in the movies. You're just going to miss and also have the bullet casing eject into your face.

/more from Ric Romero at 11.



Yeah, what is up with that waistband thing they always do in movies? I had one of those BB-guns that's a replica of a real gun, all metal, and I tried to stick it in my waistband like in the movies and it just immediately falls down your pant leg. It's physically impossible for a gun to stay there if you're moving, at least according to my experiments.
 
2012-08-15 11:54:02 AM  
Used to have to travel to Reno occasionally, and was warned about Sparks. They told me the people there weren't quite right and called them Sparklers.

/no one liked traveling to the Reno office
//it's not quite Hell, but close enough you can see Sparks
 
2012-08-15 11:54:48 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?


Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.
 
2012-08-15 11:55:08 AM  
Richard Kimble won't rest until he finds the one-buttocked man.
 
2012-08-15 11:55:23 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

I heard he's from Earth.
 
2012-08-15 11:55:47 AM  

Devo: He apologized? Huh. Maybe an armed society is a polite society.


Well of course. If he'd been rude, someone might have pulled out a gun and shot his ass.
 
2012-08-15 11:56:24 AM  

PhiloeBedoe: [i0006.photobucket.com image 250x250]

Not impressed


Done in one.

Om nom nom!
 
2012-08-15 11:56:51 AM  

realmojo: [www.kafejo.com image 360x257]


He's going to cool places?
 
2012-08-15 11:56:53 AM  
police Sgt. Pay Dyer

A cop named Dyer? He may as well just put on a red shirt and beam down to the planet with Kirk.
 
2012-08-15 11:58:38 AM  
Sparks man accidently shoots self...

So, you could say that he wasn't the brightest of sparks.

*Crickets*
 
2012-08-15 11:59:12 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: Two things:

TFA: "The (man) was cooperative with police and admitted that his gun fell out of his pocket and when it hit the floor it discharged," Dyer said in the police statement.

ORLY?

It can happen! I saw it in a movie once. I bet it killed all the bad guys and hurt no one else too!
t1.gstatic.com

TFA: One caller told police that seven to eight shots were fired in the theater, but police later determined only one shot was involved.

Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

You are watching an action packed thriller with gunshots galore?
encrypted-tbn3.google.com
 
2012-08-15 12:00:47 PM  

JRoo: Yeah, what is up with that waistband thing they always do in movies? I had one of those BB-guns that's a replica of a real gun, all metal, and I tried to stick it in my waistband like in the movies and it just immediately falls down your pant leg. It's physically impossible for a gun to stay there if you're moving, at least according to my experiments.


There's a thing called an In-Waist-Band (IWB) holster. It clips to the belt and waistband of your pants but as the name implies, the holster is inside the pants, with the pistol, ostensibly, inside the holster. Keeps it from sliding down your pant-leg, too.
pic80.picturetrail.com


/hot, like the shell casing on the movie house floor.
 
2012-08-15 12:01:43 PM  
My first thought was this was some old idiot who had recently bought a piece of shiat gun with no holster in response to the Colorado tragedy. But no, he has been in the game long enough to have not done what he did.

What a shame.


Also: One caller told police that seven to eight shots were fired in the theater

The ironic part of this all is the old guy will probably be charged, but not that farking idiot.
 
2012-08-15 12:03:40 PM  
Too bad he only shot his ass and not his head.
 
2012-08-15 12:03:44 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: JRoo: Yeah, what is up with that waistband thing they always do in movies? I had one of those BB-guns that's a replica of a real gun, all metal, and I tried to stick it in my waistband like in the movies and it just immediately falls down your pant leg. It's physically impossible for a gun to stay there if you're moving, at least according to my experiments.

There's a thing called an In-Waist-Band (IWB) holster. It clips to the belt and waistband of your pants but as the name implies, the holster is inside the pants, with the pistol, ostensibly, inside the holster. Keeps it from sliding down your pant-leg, too.
[pic80.picturetrail.com image 640x360]


/hot, like the shell casing on the movie house floor.


Right, they also have small pocket holsters too. However, you rarely see people use those when sticking a gun into their waistband/pocket in the movies. They just stick the firearm there commando style.
 
2012-08-15 12:04:54 PM  

snocone: Even really cheap pos "guns" do not discharge when dropped.
/hollywood


Actually, an old-school revolver can fire if it gets dropped and the hammer hits the floor just right.
 
2012-08-15 12:05:19 PM  

RantCasey: Too bad he only shot his ass and not his head.


You missed a good opportunity for a Butthole Surfers reference.

Pauly caught a bullet
But it only hit his leg
Well it should have been a better shot
and got him in the head
 
2012-08-15 12:05:37 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: There's a thing called an In-Waist-Band (IWB) holster. It clips to the belt and waistband of your pants but as the name implies, the holster is inside the pants, with the pistol, ostensibly, inside the holster. Keeps it from sliding down your pant-leg, too.


He's talking about "movie-carry," though, which never involves a holster. In the movies you can sprint from the cops, jump a fence, and get into a wrestling match without dislodging the Desert Eagle that's just tucked into the waistband of your track pants.
 
2012-08-15 12:05:55 PM  

RantCasey


Too bad he only shot his ass and not his head.


It sounds like he easily could have gotten both with one round.
 
2012-08-15 12:06:56 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: He's talking about "movie-carry," though, which never involves a holster. In the movies you can sprint from the cops, jump a fence, and get into a wrestling match without dislodging the Desert Eagle that's just tucked into the waistband of your track pants.


For this you must have a prehensile penis to hold the weapon once it is thrust into the pants.
 
2012-08-15 12:10:32 PM  
I just moved away from that hell hole. This does not surprise me in the least.
 
2012-08-15 12:11:09 PM  
Eats shoots, apologizes, and leaves?

/I never remember what to do with that comma.
 
2012-08-15 12:12:26 PM  

PsyLord: AngryJailhouseFistfark: JRoo: Yeah, what is up with that waistband thing they always do in movies? I had one of those BB-guns that's a replica of a real gun, all metal, and I tried to stick it in my waistband like in the movies and it just immediately falls down your pant leg. It's physically impossible for a gun to stay there if you're moving, at least according to my experiments.

There's a thing called an In-Waist-Band (IWB) holster. It clips to the belt and waistband of your pants but as the name implies, the holster is inside the pants, with the pistol, ostensibly, inside the holster. Keeps it from sliding down your pant-leg, too.
[pic80.picturetrail.com image 640x360]


/hot, like the shell casing on the movie house floor.

Right, they also have small pocket holsters too. However, you rarely see people use those when sticking a gun into their waistband/pocket in the movies. They just stick the firearm there commando style.


Would not the absence of underwear create an added risk of chafing?
 
2012-08-15 12:15:15 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: TFA: One caller told police that seven to eight shots were fired in the theater, but police later determined only one shot was involved.

Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?


That's the thing that amused me most about the article too... I'm surprised the witness didn't claim it was an AK47 in his back pocket too
 
2012-08-15 12:15:15 PM  

trucktrash: Yeah, because that extra fraction of a second you need to put one in the chamber could be the difference between you dieing and an innocent bystander dieing of your blatant stupidity.

/cue the gun nuts
//learn how to defend yourselves with your hands, pussies!


But then you just run the risk of your hands going off accidentally in a crowded theater!
 
2012-08-15 12:16:13 PM  
gifsforum.com
 
2012-08-15 12:17:50 PM  

HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.




The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.
 
2012-08-15 12:20:21 PM  

Nezorf: How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?
You are watching an action packed thriller with gunshots galore?


I don't think you meant this seriously, but I've seen other comments that did. I really don't see how you could confuse an actual gunshot for a movie sound effect. They really don't sound much alike, and the real thing is unmistakably, incredibly loud compared to theater speakers.
 
2012-08-15 12:22:14 PM  

trucktrash: Yeah, because that extra fraction of a second you need to put one in the chamber could be the difference between you dieing and an innocent bystander dieing of your blatant stupidity.

/cue the gun nuts
//learn how to defend yourselves with your hands, pussies!


I'm a pussy for getting disabled from a vehicle accident?

Come say that to my face and I'll...well, shoot you in the foot I guess. I sure can't fight you, or run away.
 
2012-08-15 12:22:47 PM  

2KanZam: The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??


I thought that was odd, too. As I just mentioned, gunshots are farking loud.
 
2012-08-15 12:22:59 PM  

toraque: But then you just run the risk of your hands going off accidentally in a crowded theater!


www.hecklerspray.com
Unavailable for comment
 
2012-08-15 12:23:13 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Nezorf: How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?
You are watching an action packed thriller with gunshots galore?

I don't think you meant this seriously, but I've seen other comments that did. I really don't see how you could confuse an actual gunshot for a movie sound effect. They really don't sound much alike, and the real thing is unmistakably, incredibly loud compared to theater speakers.


I would normally agree, but several gunshots in The Dark Knight Rises sounded realistic when played on an IMAX system.
 
2012-08-15 12:23:58 PM  

Beowoolfie: trucktrash: Yeah, because that extra fraction of a second you need to put one in the chamber could be the difference between you dieing and an innocent bystander dieing of your blatant stupidity.

/cue the gun nuts
//learn how to defend yourselves with your hands, pussies!

I'm a pussy for getting disabled from a vehicle accident?

Come say that to my face and I'll...well, shoot you in the foot I guess. I sure can't fight you, or run away.


Regardless of disability, you experience a moral obligation to provide a fair fight, taking no advantages for yourself, when confronted with an unprovoked violent aggressor.
 
2012-08-15 12:28:46 PM  

Beowoolfie: I'm a pussy for getting disabled from a vehicle accident?

Come say that to my face and I'll...well, shoot you in the foot I guess. I sure can't fight you, or run away.


Well, no...

www.combatlifestyle.com
 
2012-08-15 12:29:51 PM  

toraque: trucktrash: Yeah, because that extra fraction of a second you need to put one in the chamber could be the difference between you dieing and an innocent bystander dieing of your blatant stupidity.

/cue the gun nuts
//learn how to defend yourselves with your hands, pussies!

But then you just run the risk of your hands going off accidentally in a crowded theater!


when i was a little kid my older brother told me "never point a loaded finger at anyone". he said it so seriously that i never have, even to this day.
 
2012-08-15 12:31:09 PM  
i45.tinypic.com

also shot in the ass
 
2012-08-15 12:31:28 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Fish in a Barrel: He's talking about "movie-carry," though, which never involves a holster. In the movies you can sprint from the cops, jump a fence, and get into a wrestling match without dislodging the Desert Eagle that's just tucked into the waistband of your track pants.

For this you must have a prehensile penis to hold the weapon once it is thrust into the pants.


Well yeah, obviously...wait, you mean you don't?
 
2012-08-15 12:32:11 PM  

MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.


Agreed! Plus what is the condition of the firearm? Guns dont go off when dropped unless something is severely wrong... Even a poorly maintained gun should only discharge when the trigger is pulled.
 
2012-08-15 12:33:00 PM  

trucktrash: Yeah, because that extra fraction of a second you need to put one in the chamber could be the difference between you dieing and an innocent bystander dieing of your blatant stupidity.

/cue the gun nuts
//learn how to defend yourselves with your hands, pussies!


As a matter of fact, yes. In order to put a round into the chamber, you first need to draw the weapon. That extra second of dicking around with your weapon drawn is more than enough opportunity for someone at close range to take your gun from you, stab you, etc.

If you actually knew how to defend yourself with your hands, you'd be aware that you're at a severe disadvantage against an assailant with even an improvised weapon. If a guy comes at you with a knife or a bat, and all you have are your hands and feet, your odds of walking away from that one are less than favorable. Even if he's unarmed, you're basically farked if he brought a friend.
 
2012-08-15 12:33:16 PM  

2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.



The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.


Having been around guns all my life and having worked in a gun store: Get more training, genius.

The vast majority of handguns are designed to not fire accidentally and are drop tested a ridiculous number of times to make sure they can't fire if dropped, but you still don't trust Murphy. Shooting yourself is bad enough, what if it was your wife/girlfriend/daughter in the next seat who catches the bullet?
 
2012-08-15 12:33:34 PM  

2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.



The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.


How well does a gun that accidentally goes off and hits a random person protect anyone? Like on a scale of -10 to 10, what would be your best quantitative value? Take all the time you need.
 
2012-08-15 12:33:57 PM  

snocone: MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.

And just how do you propose to regulate dumbasses?
I mean, it has been tried.
Regulating smartasses will not affect dumbasses and the only negligence is expecting someone else to do it for you.


So your theseis is that society should never attempt to ameliorate or improve any situation unless there is an ironclad certainty of 100% success? Well, that paradigm ought to simplify life considerably.
The fact is that there is a moderate, reasonable amount of dumbass-control that a society can, in fact, egage in with some limited success, and no real impact on civil liberties, and societies that do are better for it.
A free society is not one in which anybody can do any goddamn thing they please.
 
2012-08-15 12:36:38 PM  

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Done in one!

+1 subby!
 
2012-08-15 12:38:04 PM  

MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?


Arizona's CC is free for the asking. Apparently self-maiming gunslingers was part of the reason to change the law to allow for more of that sport.

My family prefers Buntline Specials in an appropriate long holster -- that way you get the calf of the leg or the odd toe, but your vital butt cheeks are spared (at least by the lone gunslinger).

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2012-08-15 12:38:38 PM  
Had he been handcuffed by the Jonesboro police?
 
2012-08-15 12:39:27 PM  
So was this theater designated a "gun-free zone"?
 
2012-08-15 12:42:21 PM  
FTFA: The man has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, Dyer added.

Not anymore, I bet.
 
2012-08-15 12:43:49 PM  
Did he set the alarm off leaving the theatre?
 
2012-08-15 12:47:47 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Nezorf: How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?
You are watching an action packed thriller with gunshots galore?

I don't think you meant this seriously, but I've seen other comments that did. I really don't see how you could confuse an actual gunshot for a movie sound effect. They really don't sound much alike, and the real thing is unmistakably, incredibly loud compared to theater speakers.


Oh yeah I know, but a lot of people don't know.
130db+ is really loud.

I had an old roommate from the burbs who moved to the big bad city of Minneapolis. For the first month he would perk up and look at me whenever there was a pop or clap outside. Multiple times he would ask if they were gunshots, and every time they weren't. I'm talking the volume of clapping together two 2x4's.

They probably heard the first one and then assumed every pop after that was an AK-47 blazing at full auto.....
 
2012-08-15 12:47:58 PM  

MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.


Agreed. And that permit should be revoked immediately in cases of dumb negligence. I don't care that no one else was hurt, if you can't be bothered to properly secure your weapon, no carry for you.
 
2012-08-15 12:48:08 PM  
Come on, guys. If he hadn't had a gun it just would have been something else he would have maimed himself with...
 
2012-08-15 12:53:52 PM  

2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.



The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.


Right.... "ALWAYS" have one in the chamber.... because if SHTF, the extra .08 seconds it takes to pull the slide back is really going to make a difference after 1) Identifying there is an issue that is going to require this dumb-f*ck to go for his weapon, 2) standup out of a movie theather chair (Given this was Sparks, NV., I'm guessing this was a 280lb+ fat old white guy), 3) dig the pistol out of his pocket (more time consuming than a holster), 4) acquire his target, 5) shoot.

I'm estimating the non-combat suspecting movie goer in this case would take at least 4 or 5 seconds to even get out of his chair. Pullng the slide back to chamber a round would not be a major factor.
 
2012-08-15 01:02:01 PM  
The man has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, Dyer added.

Not any more if there is any justice. He was granted a privilege by the community and failed to take it responsibly.

He should not be allowed anything more dangerous than a butter knife.
 
2012-08-15 01:06:57 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: You know, there's gun safety and then there are safe guns and holsters. There are 3 things you can safely assume here concerning the shooter's actions. 1, there was a bullet in the chamber/pipe. 2, the gun has no safety or the safety was off was in complete disrepair and UNSAFE for use. 3, the gun was not in a holster that prevents the trigger from being manipulated while the weapon is holstered.

It all comes down to the idiot behind the trigger here. Or in front of, in this case since he Forrest Gumped himself.


Forest Gump'ed himself... I like it! A few notes about "safety." There are many guns that dont have "active safeties." Glock's, Sigs, and MANY other brands have guns that dont have a safety that you can flip on or off. However my Sig, all Glocks, all 1911's have several "passive safeties" There is a lock on the firing pin that prevents it from hitting the bullet, there is a block between the hammer and the firing pin, and there is a trigger disconnect. You have to have a really old revolver or a weapon in complete disrepair to have a malfunction like in this article.

Bottom line, your assessment was correct
 
2012-08-15 01:07:35 PM  
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2012-08-15 01:08:00 PM  
realmojo: [www.kafejo.com image 360x257]

I see I'm not needed here.
 
2012-08-15 01:08:24 PM  
One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.
 
2012-08-15 01:08:51 PM  

BurnShrike: cgraves67: Whoops, sorry about that. Mind if I slide past you here to limp into the lobby?

More importantly, which way did he face while passing people? Do you stick your groin in their face, or your (bleeding) buttocks?


If it's hot chicks then groin

If doctors who may have forceps and a suture kit with them, then butt-ocks.

And NO, it is NOT OK to comet-tail when doing this.
 
2012-08-15 01:08:56 PM  
If I was there with my gun that I didn't have to have a background check to get at Wlamart, I could have stopped him.
 
2012-08-15 01:11:28 PM  

davidab: Mr. Eugenides: You know, there's gun safety and then there are safe guns and holsters. There are 3 things you can safely assume here concerning the shooter's actions. 1, there was a bullet in the chamber/pipe. 2, the gun has no safety or the safety was off was in complete disrepair and UNSAFE for use. 3, the gun was not in a holster that prevents the trigger from being manipulated while the weapon is holstered.

It all comes down to the idiot behind the trigger here. Or in front of, in this case since he Forrest Gumped himself.

Forest Gump'ed himself... I like it! A few notes about "safety." There are many guns that dont have "active safeties." Glock's, Sigs, and MANY other brands have guns that dont have a safety that you can flip on or off. However my Sig, all Glocks, all 1911's have several "passive safeties" There is a lock on the firing pin that prevents it from hitting the bullet, there is a block between the hammer and the firing pin, and there is a trigger disconnect. You have to have a really old revolver or a weapon in complete disrepair to have a malfunction like in this article.

Bottom line, your assessment was correct


Forrest got shot in the ass rescuing wounded men from a firefight in Vietnam. Not quite the same as shooting yourself in the ass while watching a movie.
 
2012-08-15 01:12:34 PM  

lostcat: One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.


Dropped guns don't go off... unless they do. Got it?
 
2012-08-15 01:14:08 PM  

BurnShrike: cgraves67: Whoops, sorry about that. Mind if I slide past you here to limp into the lobby?

More importantly, which way did he face while passing people? Do you stick your groin in their face, or your (bleeding) buttocks?


www.daftblogger.com
Wonders the same thing on airplanes...
 
2012-08-15 01:15:13 PM  
One caller told police that seven to eight shots were fired in the theater, but police later determined only one shot was involved

Farking really? That witness probably drives a Prius and voted for Obama.

/Guns are teh evil.
 
2012-08-15 01:17:07 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Allen. The end.: Seriously, in his POCKET? Pull his guns; he's obviously an idiot looking to be Charles Bronson.

Pocket carry can be safe. You just need to use a pocket holster. A pocket holster will do several things for you:
1. It keeps the gun in your pocket
2. It completely covers the trigger so it can't be inadvertently pulled or blocked
3. It keeps anything else that might be in your pocket from interacting with the gun (although it really should be the only thing in your pocket)
4. It keeps the gun's orientation consistent, so if you do need it, you won't have to fumble around for a proper grip
5. It breaks up the outline of the gun for better concealment

With all they do for you, and as cheap as they are, I don't see why anyone wouldn't use one.


This.
So. Much. This.

Use a farking holster people. Not just gansta-style a gun into your waistband.
 
2012-08-15 01:19:21 PM  
I call shenanigans. No way there were 30 people seeing The Bourne Legacy.

/also, it's spelled 'dying'
 
2012-08-15 01:20:33 PM  

lostcat: One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.


I'm guessing he had it in his back pocket, shifted his fat ass and it went off. Or he possibly had it in his wasteband in the small of his back without a holster, shifted and it went off.

I can't really see in movie theater style seats a pistol falling through the narrow sides of the chair with arm rests on both sides, nor it falling out of his pocket, traveling behind his back, and then falling to the floor.

and, "guns don't just go off". trigger pin's keep the gun from firing when they're dropped. so either this was a pretty old pistol, or a pistol that was problematic to begin with. (Putting problems without a safety in your pocket is a really bad idea, FYI).
 
2012-08-15 01:21:24 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: For this you must have a prehensile penis to hold the weapon once it is thrust into the pants.


Catch-22. People who own guns don't have long penises.

/snark
 
2012-08-15 01:27:35 PM  

Historyteller: 2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.



The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.

Having been around guns all my life and having worked in a gun store: Get more training, genius.

The vast majority of handguns are designed to not fire accidentally and are drop tested a ridiculous number of times to make sure they can't fire if dropped, but you still don't trust Murphy. Shooting yourself is bad enough, what if it was your wife/girlfriend/daughter in the next seat who catches the bullet?




Why are you responding to me? Surely it was a mistake because it seems that you are arguing point that neither I nor the person I quoted were talking about. (number of shots and witnesses)

Get more training! HA! I have had 240 hrs of tactical shooting school, oh and I was born an raised in WV, we get a gun on our first birthday.

Empty chambers only under the hammer on a revolver...genius
 
2012-08-15 01:29:18 PM  
Nevada Theater Assacre!
 
2012-08-15 01:31:51 PM  

boozehat: 2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.



The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.

Right.... "ALWAYS" have one in the chamber.... because if SHTF, the extra .08 seconds it takes to pull the slide back is really going to make a difference after 1) Identifying there is an issue that is going to require this dumb-f*ck to go for his weapon, 2) standup out of a movie theather chair (Given this was Sparks, NV., I'm guessing this was a 280lb+ fat old white guy), 3) dig the pistol out of his pocket (more time consuming than a holster), 4) acquire his target, 5) shoot.

I'm estimating the non-combat suspecting movie goer in this case would take at least 4 or 5 seconds to even get out of his chair. Pullng the slide back to chamber a round would not be a major factor.




It actually does....see above post on my training. We would run drills with snap caps and a person with a knife/weapon 25 feet away from you would "attack" and you would try to get "shot" off. They can get to you ALMOST as fast as you can draw and definitely before you chamber.

And the fact that you think that shows you have handled few weapons in your life
 
2012-08-15 01:33:24 PM  

Carn: 2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.



The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.

How well does a gun that accidentally goes off and hits a random person protect anyone? Like on a scale of -10 to 10, what would be your best quantitative value? Take all the time you need.




If a gun is properly maintained and concealed they do not accidentally go off. Period

This guy needs his CCW permit revoked
 
2012-08-15 01:36:19 PM  

lostcat: One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.


Most likely this guy was carrying in a pocket and not using a holster. He shifted, the trigger snagged, *bang*. Pure speculation, barring further info.

He should lose his permit privileges and he should face charges for the negligent discharge, if that is what happened.


//Yes carrying is privilege not a right.
 
2012-08-15 01:39:22 PM  

lostcat: One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.


I'm pretty sure "I dropped it and it went off" belongs in the same category as "accidentally shot himself in the head while cleaning his gun."
 
2012-08-15 01:40:10 PM  

2KanZam: Carn: 2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.



The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.

How well does a gun that accidentally goes off and hits a random person protect anyone? Like on a scale of -10 to 10, what would be your best quantitative value? Take all the time you need.



If a gun is properly maintained and concealed they do not accidentally go off. Period

This guy needs his CCW permit revoked


Completely agree. Forgive my previous snark, but cases like these are awfully good examples of why it would be a good idea to make it harder for people to get a CCW permit, wouldn't you agree? Imagine if you will:

CCW Permit Issuer: Please demonstrate safely holstering and removing your weapon five times, go.
CCW Requestor: One, Two, Three, BANG
CCW Permit Issuer: Permit denied! Next!
 
2012-08-15 01:44:57 PM  

2KanZam: boozehat: 2KanZam: HighZoolander: Fish in a Barrel: Gotta love the accuracy of witnesses. How do you get seven or eight out of one shot?

Well, you interview 7 or 8 witnesses. They each heard a shot, so you just add them up, and there you go.



The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

/and for those of you who don't know, if carying a concealed semiauto, ALWAYS have one chambered, an empty gun protects no one.

Right.... "ALWAYS" have one in the chamber.... because if SHTF, the extra .08 seconds it takes to pull the slide back is really going to make a difference after 1) Identifying there is an issue that is going to require this dumb-f*ck to go for his weapon, 2) standup out of a movie theather chair (Given this was Sparks, NV., I'm guessing this was a 280lb+ fat old white guy), 3) dig the pistol out of his pocket (more time consuming than a holster), 4) acquire his target, 5) shoot.

I'm estimating the non-combat suspecting movie goer in this case would take at least 4 or 5 seconds to even get out of his chair. Pullng the slide back to chamber a round would not be a major factor.



It actually does....see above post on my training. We would run drills with snap caps and a person with a knife/weapon 25 feet away from you would "attack" and you would try to get "shot" off. They can get to you ALMOST as fast as you can draw and definitely before you chamber.

And the fact that you think that shows you have handled few weapons in your life


Well, I don't have 240 hours of tactical shooting lessons, nor do I need to be at the gym in 26 minutes. But I do get out a few times a month to shoot with my modest collection.

My point was the "ALWAYS" portion of the comment, as in all caps which seems to stress the idea that a semi-auto fire arm should "NEVER" be caried without a bullet chambered, is debatable.

It's really cute that you came out of the vag with a gun in hand; I'm sure that made your baby pictures even that much more adorable. I also feel much better knowing someone like you has had good training and can protect other's around you in the time of need....

.....But if you think this jackhole who puts a loaded gun into his pants pocket without a holster, with pockets that are so big and loose that his loaded pistol can just simply fall out, and a pistol that is in such sh*ty condition that it goes off when dropped, is in the right, well you're entitled to your opinion I guess.
 
2012-08-15 01:45:22 PM  
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RIP Sparxxx man.
 
2012-08-15 01:46:04 PM  

Carn: Completely agree. Forgive my previous snark, but cases like these are awfully good examples of why it would be a good idea to make it harder for people to get a CCW permit, wouldn't you agree? Imagine if you will:

CCW Permit Issuer: Please demonstrate safely holstering and removing your weapon five times, go.
CCW Requestor: One, Two, Three, BANG
CCW Permit Issuer: Permit denied! Next!


I wouldn't want to be standing in that line.
 
2012-08-15 01:50:42 PM  

PsyLord:

Right, they also have small pocket holsters too. However, you rarely see people use those when sticking a gun into their waistband/pocket in the movies. They just stick the firearm there commando style.


The proper term is "Mexican carry"
 
2012-08-15 01:54:02 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: 2KanZam: The Article said only 5 out of 30 people in the theater heard it?? How is that possible and why hasn't anyone any fark consipiracy theorists brought this up in this thread yet??

I thought that was odd, too. As I just mentioned, gunshots are farking loud.


I'm guessing the guy was carrying a cheap, low caliber derringer.
 
2012-08-15 01:56:35 PM  

Carn: Completely agree. Forgive my previous snark, but cases like these are awfully good examples of why it would be a good idea to make it harder for people to get a CCW permit, wouldn't you agree? Imagine if you will:

CCW Permit Issuer: Please demonstrate safely holstering and removing your weapon five times, go.
CCW Requestor: One, Two, Three, BANG
CCW Permit Issuer: Permit denied! Next!


There are technical reasons why a test like that isn't helpful, but there's a larger problem: people don't do dumb shiat like this because they don't know better. They do dumb shiat like this because they're dumb, lazy and not safety conscious. Let me say that again. Ignorance is not the problem; assholes who can't be bothered to be safe are the problem. Any idiot can pass a basic safety class because it's really simple stuff. That doesn't mean that they'll actually apply what they've learned once the class is over.

Every organization I'm a part of has safety front and center, so it's virtually impossible not to know how to do things the right way. Yet we still have incidences like this because many individuals don't think it's relevant to them. They've been shooting since they've been crawling, so following The Rules isn't necessary for them. They're too good to screw up. Following The Rules is for newbs. They sneer at The Rules. If you ask them to not be a dangerous asshole around you, at best they'll graciously humor you until you leave.

In case you can't tell, this kind of pisses me off.
 
2012-08-15 01:57:02 PM  

davidab: MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.

Agreed! Plus what is the condition of the firearm? Guns dont go off when dropped unless something is severely wrong... Even a poorly maintained gun should only discharge when the trigger is pulled.


Cheapassed derringer, or maybe a 1911 with the hammer down and the safety off (if so, he's a double dumbass). Otherwise, I think some details were omitted by the shooter/shootee (who happen to be the same person). If there was nothing mechanically wrong with the gun, he probably farked up and worked the trigger while adjusting himself.
 
2012-08-15 01:57:44 PM  

BarefootInTheFark: Used to have to travel to Reno occasionally, and was warned about Sparks. They told me the people there weren't quite right and called them Sparklers.

/no one liked traveling to the Reno office
//it's not quite Hell, but close enough you can see Sparks


Reno: the biggest little trailer park in the world!
 
2012-08-15 02:01:49 PM  

MythDragon: Carn: Completely agree. Forgive my previous snark, but cases like these are awfully good examples of why it would be a good idea to make it harder for people to get a CCW permit, wouldn't you agree? Imagine if you will:

CCW Permit Issuer: Please demonstrate safely holstering and removing your weapon five times, go.
CCW Requestor: One, Two, Three, BANG
CCW Permit Issuer: Permit denied! Next!

I wouldn't want to be standing in that line.


Yeah, me neither. Maybe they can have a special testing tunnel.
 
2012-08-15 02:05:24 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: Carn: Completely agree. Forgive my previous snark, but cases like these are awfully good examples of why it would be a good idea to make it harder for people to get a CCW permit, wouldn't you agree? Imagine if you will:

CCW Permit Issuer: Please demonstrate safely holstering and removing your weapon five times, go.
CCW Requestor: One, Two, Three, BANG
CCW Permit Issuer: Permit denied! Next!

There are technical reasons why a test like that isn't helpful, but there's a larger problem: people don't do dumb shiat like this because they don't know better. They do dumb shiat like this because they're dumb, lazy and not safety conscious. Let me say that again. Ignorance is not the problem; assholes who can't be bothered to be safe are the problem. Any idiot can pass a basic safety class because it's really simple stuff. That doesn't mean that they'll actually apply what they've learned once the class is over.

Every organization I'm a part of has safety front and center, so it's virtually impossible not to know how to do things the right way. Yet we still have incidences like this because many individuals don't think it's relevant to them. They've been shooting since they've been crawling, so following The Rules isn't necessary for them. They're too good to screw up. Following The Rules is for newbs. They sneer at The Rules. If you ask them to not be a dangerous asshole around you, at best they'll graciously humor you until you leave.

In case you can't tell, this kind of pisses me off.


There must be some way to make it a tad more difficult to get that won't just be a cakewalk. In addition, putting extremely hefty fines on crimes like these or if unable to pay the fine, confiscating any and all weapons from the person might get the point across. "If you're not safe with your weapons, we will take them from you" is not unreasonable.
 
2012-08-15 02:06:39 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: lostcat: One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.

Most likely this guy was carrying in a pocket and not using a holster. He shifted, the trigger snagged, *bang*. Pure speculation, barring further info.

He should lose his permit privileges and he should face charges for the negligent discharge, if that is what happened.


//Yes carrying is privilege not a right.


This Nevada. We permit open carry without a permit. I'm fine with this guy losing his CFP. He still gets to carry, and everyone can see it.
 
2012-08-15 02:09:45 PM  

CthulhuCalling: or maybe a 1911 with the hammer down and the safety off


I doubt that would do it. The firing pin on a 1911 is inertial; the hammer doesn't drive it all the way to the primer. When down, the hammer rests on the slide in a 1911 so it can't move any farther forward if struck. While it's possible that the firing pin could be "Netwon's cradled" into the primer, I wouldn't expect it to. And wouldn't the firing pin stop prevent it too? I'm only familiar with WWII era 1911s, so I don't really know how that particular safety operates.
 
2012-08-15 02:10:48 PM  
lh5.googleusercontent.com
RIP PJ SPARXX
 
2012-08-15 02:25:56 PM  
must have been fumbling for his will rogers institute donation
 
2012-08-15 02:29:25 PM  

2KanZam: Why are you responding to me? Surely it was a mistake because it seems that you are arguing point that neither I nor the person I quoted were talking about. (number of shots and witnesses)

Get more training! HA! I have had 240 hrs of tactical shooting school, oh and I was born an raised in WV, we get a gun on our first birthday.

Empty chambers only under the hammer on a revolver...genius


Does this "tactical shooting school have a name? I'm betting on 2KanZam's Bar & Grill, but I'm willing to be surprised.

If you carry in public with one in the pipe, you're a threat to everyone around you.
 
2012-08-15 02:43:03 PM  
Not possible. I've read that everyone is safe in cinemas just as long as everyone is carrying lethal weapons.
 
2012-08-15 02:57:53 PM  
The real question is: If he had farted, would he have excused himself?
wikka.moreawesomethanyou.com
 
2012-08-15 03:00:43 PM  

jso2897: snocone: MacEnvy: Can we at least all agree that to get a concealed carry permit one should have to take a gun safety course? Is that really too much to ask?

This isn't about infringing on your rights, it's about infringing on the safety of others through negligent regulation of dumbasses.

And just how do you propose to regulate dumbasses?
I mean, it has been tried.
Regulating smartasses will not affect dumbasses and the only negligence is expecting someone else to do it for you.

So your theseis is that society should never .


NEVER? That would be loser talk right there. All I got was bla, bla, blaa,b after that chit.
 
2012-08-15 03:08:45 PM  

Historyteller:

If you carry in public with one in the pipe, you're a threat to everyone around you.


Know how I know you've never fired a gun before?
 
2012-08-15 03:10:06 PM  
the butthurt.
 
2012-08-15 03:21:32 PM  

CthulhuCalling: Historyteller:

If you carry in public with one in the pipe, you're a threat to everyone around you.

Know how I know you've never fired a gun before?


Recreational shooter, former pistol range employee, occasional asst. for weekly CCW training, amateur mocker of police marksmanship ("You shot the ceiling?! What the hell is WRONG with you?!"}

I've fired all sorts of guns from a Calico (rotary .22) to a BAR and S&W 500. You can argue with my dislike of .45s, but not my firearms experience.
 
2012-08-15 03:33:36 PM  

lostcat: One of the few lessons I've learned from the Fark gun nuts is that guns don't just "go off" when you drop them, unless the bullets are really, really old.

So help me understand what's going on here? I've read two articles--since being admonished about this--in which a dropped gun has discharged.


You are assuming that the articles reported accurate information.
 
2012-08-15 03:34:03 PM  
Was he a panda ?
 
2012-08-15 03:35:02 PM  

DrExplosion: trucktrash: Yeah, because that extra fraction of a second you need to put one in the chamber could be the difference between you dieing and an innocent bystander dieing of your blatant stupidity.

/cue the gun nuts
//learn how to defend yourselves with your hands, pussies!

As a matter of fact, yes. In order to put a round into the chamber, you first need to draw the weapon. That extra second of dicking around with your weapon drawn is more than enough opportunity for someone at close range to take your gun from you, stab you, etc.

If you actually knew how to defend yourself with your hands, you'd be aware that you're at a severe disadvantage against an assailant with even an improvised weapon. If a guy comes at you with a knife or a bat, and all you have are your hands and feet, your odds of walking away from that one are less than favorable. Even if he's unarmed, you're basically farked if he brought a friend.


Wow, you deeply misunderstand self defense.

I'm going to go all ITG on you here. I have actually been in a few 'real' fights. Once against a guy with a toy gun that looked real, and once against two guys with knives (little bitty ones). I came out with nothing more than bruises either time. The guy with the fake gun stuck it to my head from the side, and got a broken arm for it (thank god it wasn't real, I'd be deaf or dead). The two guys with knives asked very politely that I give them my wallet. I threw my cell phone at the first one, and dislocated his knee joint in the aftermath. The second came at me all wild, and ended up face planted into a concrete retaining wall, while I smashed his knife hand with a rock I found near the other guy I put down. He had several broken fingers and a lot of nasty scrapes on his face.

I am a long ways away from being in perfect shape or a professional fighter type. I was taught when young that at some point, it would come down to your life or theirs. I got some training in martial arts, nothing fancy. It's worked out pretty farking well so far.

I'm not trying to say that every person can learn to defend themselves. I am saying that many ordinary people could learn to defend themselves, if they wanted to and they were willing to hurt someone else to do it. That last part is the biggest problem for most people.

That being said, I don't WANT to face an angry person with a weapon, not if I have any other options. And anyone with a real gun and even a mild ability to use it would probably kill me. Unless they get REAL close first, then I figure it's 25/75 odds.

/go ahead, call me an ITG
//reality agrees
 
2012-08-15 03:47:23 PM  

Historyteller: If you carry in public with one in the pipe, you're a threat to everyone around you.


If you DON'T carry one in the pipe, everyone around you is a threat. Use a holster, and keep your booger hookers off the Goddamn bang switch. If I have to draw a weapon, it's because I need it right NOW. Seconds do count.

Kahabut: That being said, I don't WANT to face an angry person with a weapon, not if I have any other options. And anyone with a real gun and even a mild ability to use it would probably kill me. Unless they get REAL close first, then I figure it's 25/75 odds.


Pistols are *close quarters* weapons. Not *melee* weapons. If you are close enough to put a gun to someone's head, you are too damn close. If someone ever threatens me with a gun, I certianly hope they get close enough to touch my skull with it. That will be about the only chance I have of coming out alive.

Now if course if you have this, feel free to get up close and personal:
cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com

/I bought one because it was so damn ridiculous, only only 20 bucks.
//Will never try and use it
 
2012-08-15 03:57:30 PM  

MythDragon: Historyteller: If you carry in public with one in the pipe, you're a threat to everyone around you.

If you DON'T carry one in the pipe, everyone around you is a threat. Use a holster, and keep your booger hookers off the Goddamn bang switch. If I have to draw a weapon, it's because I need it right NOW. Seconds do count.


The time you lose jacking the slide or rotating the cylinder on a revolver is NOT worth the risk of an accidental discharge. If you carry the weapon everyday for years, the chances of it going off when you don't have control are astronomically higher than you losing a firefight in downtown Peoria because of that single second.

Leaving your FOB on patrol? Put one in the pipe.
Heading to the store for baby formula? Be as safe as possible.
 
2012-08-15 04:09:48 PM  

Historyteller: MythDragon: Historyteller: If you carry in public with one in the pipe, you're a threat to everyone around you.

If you DON'T carry one in the pipe, everyone around you is a threat. Use a holster, and keep your booger hookers off the Goddamn bang switch. If I have to draw a weapon, it's because I need it right NOW. Seconds do count.

The time you lose jacking the slide or rotating the cylinder on a revolver is NOT worth the risk of an accidental discharge. If you carry the weapon everyday for years, the chances of it going off when you don't have control are astronomically higher than you losing a firefight in downtown Peoria because of that single second.

Leaving your FOB on patrol? Put one in the pipe.
Heading to the store for baby formula? Be as safe as possible.


What kind of shiatty guns do you own?
My handgun has a safety switch, and a grip safety. It has never ever gone off when I didn't want it to, including having been dropped a couple of times. (woops)
 
2012-08-15 04:29:03 PM  

Kahabut: Wow, you deeply misunderstand self defense.

I'm going to go all ITG on you here. I have actually been in a few 'real' fights. Once against a guy with a toy gun that looked real, and once against two guys with knives (little bitty ones). I came out with nothing more than bruises either time. The guy with the fake gun stuck it to my head from the side, and got a broken arm for it (thank god it wasn't real, I'd be deaf or dead). The two guys with knives asked very politely that I give them my wallet. I threw my cell phone at the first one, and dislocated his knee joint in the aftermath. The second came at me all wild, and ended up face planted into a concrete retaining wall, while I smashed his knife hand with a rock I found near the other guy I put down. He had several broken fingers and a lot of nasty scrapes on his face.

I am a long ways away from being in perfect shape or a professional fighter type. I was taught when young that at some point, it would come down to your life or theirs. I got some training in martial arts, nothing f ...


The odds being "less than favorable" doesn't mean that success is impossible. It just means that the risk is higher than you should be comfortable with. I'll concede that with a bit of know-how and the willingness to hurt someone (which I will whole-heartedly agree is the most difficult part for most people to learn), most people can defend themselves quite well without a weapon and could probably handle the typical lowlife. But "probably" isn't good enough when you're gambling with your life. Just because you probably won't crash your car after having a few drinks doesn't mean that drunk driving is a good idea.

I've been shot at and blown up multiple times. I've managed to avoid incurring any injury beyond some MTBI from one particularly large explosion. This does not mean that I should consider myself immune to bombs or bullets - I just got lucky. Likewise, just because the gun was fake and the knife guys didn't know what they were doing doesn't mean that you can reliably go up against multiple armed assailants and expect to win. The odds may not be terrible, but they aren't good enough to bet your life when your wallet is the only thing otherwise at stake.

/That being said, I can't say for certain that I would have reacted any differently.
//Call me a hypocrite, sure. But knowing myself, I just might take my chances if they looked soft enough.
///There's a difference between what you should do and what you'll actually do.
 
2012-08-15 04:37:48 PM  
Have fun guys. Hope you never have an accident. :/
 
2012-08-15 04:52:40 PM  

Kahabut: Historyteller: MythDragon: Historyteller: If you carry in public with one in the pipe, you're a threat to everyone around you.

If you DON'T carry one in the pipe, everyone around you is a threat. Use a holster, and keep your booger hookers off the Goddamn bang switch. If I have to draw a weapon, it's because I need it right NOW. Seconds do count.

The time you lose jacking the slide or rotating the cylinder on a revolver is NOT worth the risk of an accidental discharge. If you carry the weapon everyday for years, the chances of it going off when you don't have control are astronomically higher than you losing a firefight in downtown Peoria because of that single second.

Leaving your FOB on patrol? Put one in the pipe.
Heading to the store for baby formula? Be as safe as possible.

What kind of shiatty guns do you own?
My handgun has a safety switch, and a grip safety. It has never ever gone off when I didn't want it to, including having been dropped a couple of times. (woops)


Right? I carry a Steyr M9, and before that I carried a Glock 19. No safety. But if you don't pull the trigger it won't fire. It stays in the waist holster where nothing can accidently grab the trigger. But it's ready to fire if I ever need it. God knows I hope I don't. And I never go anywhere that puts me into an expectation of having to use it. But if I get jumped from behind, I may not have the use of both hands to chamber a round. As long as it stays in the holster, it's not a threat to anyone. And if it drops, you let it go. The gun is equiped with a drop safety. My fingers are not.
 
2012-08-15 05:01:58 PM  

Historyteller: Have fun guys. Hope you never have an accident. :/


That is all people either intentionaly doing stupid shiat, not having proper training/instruction, or weapons malfunctions (either preventable or non preventable, the the mostly preventable ones falling back on training). Baring a couple of non-preventable malfunctions, all those could be averted.
 
2012-08-15 05:26:56 PM  

MythDragon: Historyteller: Have fun guys. Hope you never have an accident. :/

That is all people either intentionaly doing stupid shiat, not having proper training/instruction, or weapons malfunctions (either preventable or non preventable, the the mostly preventable ones falling back on training). Baring a couple of non-preventable malfunctions, all those could be averted.


Averted? Yes, most easily (in the second video) by not having a round in the chamber.

99 times out of 100 it won't matter if you carry it charged, but that last 1% could mean an innocent gets hurt or killed. I NEVER want to be responsible for that.

I've carried a gov't issue .45 (yes, I'm that old), a S&W 586, Beretta 92f, and a Kimber .45 at different times as an everyday thing. If you live alone and make your living as a diamond courier or something, I can see your viewpoint. I'm just not willing to take those chances.
 
2012-08-15 10:48:07 PM  
Acquaintance of mine called the PD out there, they said he was carrying a Walther PPK with the safety off. Gun slipped out of his pocked and landed on the hammer.
 
2012-08-16 12:07:26 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Acquaintance of mine called the PD out there, they said he was carrying a Walther PPK with the safety off. Gun slipped out of his pocked and landed on the hammer.


Sounds like a defective gun if what he was told is true. A PPK should have a block that prevents the hammer from reaching the firing pin unless the trigger has been pulled.
 
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