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(Stars and Stripes)   What's the first reaction of the National Reconnaissance Office deputy director, an Air Force major general, upon learning she had four whistleblowers reporting illegal activity? "I would like to find them and fire them"   (stripes.com) divider line 34
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2012-08-15 12:00:30 PM  
3 votes:

Cubicle Jockey: . Whistleblower Bradley Manning, accused of leaking Army and State Department documents to the website WikiLeaks, spent more than a year in the worst of punitive conditions in a U.S. Marine prison and was denied the chance even to appear in court to defend himself until almost two years after his arrest.


Good.

Don't lump Bradley Manning in with legitimate whistleblowers. It's one thing to do a narrow reveal on a particular thing you think is wrong. Indiscriminately dumping hundreds of thousands of documents so they can be made public, with no consideration whatsoever of the contents, is unconscionable.

Also, PFC Manning is under military jurisdiction. The rules are different there, and he knew that when he signed his name on his enlistment papers and took his oath.
2012-08-15 01:04:01 PM  
2 votes:

Cubicle Jockey: dittybopper: Don't lump Bradley Manning in with legitimate whistleblowers

True. They weren't forced to go through isolation torture prior to trial.

Link

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See that stain on the carpet? That's the purple piss my heart bleeds for him.
2012-08-15 11:21:17 AM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: BillCo: Weaver95: NONE of this is Obama's fault.

During the Bush administration, if a cat was run over by a mail truck in Baltimore, some moron would come on here and say "I blame Bush". Now we have major scandals rocking some of the biggest agencies in the government and you say "NONE of this is Obama's fault" You're carrying that Messiah worship a bit too far. It's time to see about a little intervention.

to be fair, Bush unleashed a lot of our current problems - he signed the Patriot Act. took a couple/few years for these issues to surface though. Bush stripped a LOT of civilian oversight out of this process. Congress helped of course. And the corporate press hammered home the message that these measures were necessary for 'national defense'. People stopped paying attention, and the military (and all our intel agencies really) learned that they had very few restrictions on how they could operate.

Now we're seeing that this permissive and secretive culture is breeding bad leaders. well no shiat - what did you THINK was going to happen? in order to fix that sort of situation, Obama would have to completely rebuild several US intelligence agencies....and he doesn't have that sort of political capital. NOBODY has that sort of political capital. I"m sure this director is going to be ordered to fall on her sword. which she will do. then she'll retire and be moved off stage. Obama will say the matter is closed, the NRO will close ranks and the abuses will silently continue with the public none the wiser. you can biatch about that if you'd like...but it really wouldn't matter who's in the white house when it comes to this sort of organization. we've given the spies damn near unlimited power and I don't know how we're ever going to stuff them back into the box.



Actually it is Obamas fault, I grant that Bush started it, but he is not in the drivers seat now and no matter how many bbbbutt the Rethugs you trow out he is the Commander in Chief, his executive orders are the word of God to the military, they may be overridden by an act of congress but that would take a 2/3 majority to overcome his veto.

To show just how out of control he has allowed it to get you need look no farther than this; the CIA uses drones for targeted killings in Pakistan, from the time they started doing this till Bush left office was 5 years, during which there were 52 strikes, in Obamas 3 and a half years in the drivers seat there have been 282 strikes so far and they are continuing, despite us not being at war with Pakistan and their repeated demands that we stop.

Also Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 by rightfully denouncing Bushes secret prisons and brutal interrogations, which were public knowledge only because of leaks of classified information to the news media. He began his term by pledging the most transparent administration in history.

In office, however, he has outdone all previous presidents in mounting criminal prosecutions over such leaks, overseeing six such cases to date, compared with three under all previous administrations combined.

Bush has a lot to answer for but when you campaign on change and the only change you make is giving insurance companies millions of new customers under the guise of healthcare reform, then its time to pack your bags, now if there were only someone to vote for besides Obama and Romney
2012-08-15 11:05:50 AM  
2 votes:

miss diminutive: "Given the lack of transparency over intelligence operations, we can't go on the word of agency officials that everything is fine," said one official, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter. "There needs to be a neutral and outside review of what's going on."

Conducted by TMZ and the National Inquirer?


The employees went to the Inspector General. The person they're supposed to report wrongdoing to. Their boss wants to equate this with leaking to the press and a crime.

Obama's been so anti-whistleblower he probably would have prosecuted 95-year-old Mark Felt (Deep Throat) if Felt hadn't died before Obama took office.
2012-08-15 10:53:34 AM  
2 votes:

BillCo: During the Bush administration, if a cat was run over by a mail truck in Baltimore, some moron would come on here and say "I blame Bush". Now we have major scandals rocking some of the biggest agencies in the government and you say "NONE of this is Obama's fault" You're carrying that Messiah worship a bit too far. It's time to see about a little intervention.


Bush has a history of being drunk and high, so it could have been him driving the mail truck.

When Obama does anything close to the same league as ignoring warnings about a major terrorist attack and then starting an unnecessary and unjustified war, then you can whine. But you'll probably whine anyway.
2012-08-15 10:26:50 AM  
2 votes:

BillCo: Weaver95: NONE of this is Obama's fault.

During the Bush administration, if a cat was run over by a mail truck in Baltimore, some moron would come on here and say "I blame Bush". Now we have major scandals rocking some of the biggest agencies in the government and you say "NONE of this is Obama's fault" You're carrying that Messiah worship a bit too far. It's time to see about a little intervention.


to be fair, Bush unleashed a lot of our current problems - he signed the Patriot Act. took a couple/few years for these issues to surface though. Bush stripped a LOT of civilian oversight out of this process. Congress helped of course. And the corporate press hammered home the message that these measures were necessary for 'national defense'. People stopped paying attention, and the military (and all our intel agencies really) learned that they had very few restrictions on how they could operate.

Now we're seeing that this permissive and secretive culture is breeding bad leaders. well no shiat - what did you THINK was going to happen? in order to fix that sort of situation, Obama would have to completely rebuild several US intelligence agencies....and he doesn't have that sort of political capital. NOBODY has that sort of political capital. I"m sure this director is going to be ordered to fall on her sword. which she will do. then she'll retire and be moved off stage. Obama will say the matter is closed, the NRO will close ranks and the abuses will silently continue with the public none the wiser. you can biatch about that if you'd like...but it really wouldn't matter who's in the white house when it comes to this sort of organization. we've given the spies damn near unlimited power and I don't know how we're ever going to stuff them back into the box.
2012-08-15 10:10:01 AM  
2 votes:
Regardless of any wrongdoing with the contracts, she should be fired for being stupid enough to say something so idiotic in front of an IG.
2012-08-15 09:37:40 AM  
2 votes:

BillCo: Weaver95: BillCo: Just more proof that the agencies under the Obama administration are out of control.

Obama passed the Patriot Act...? wow. I didn't know he had a time machine.

Weav, you old dog. I knew you were an ultra lefty liberal, but I didn't realize until now that you are also obtuse. I was referring to the complete lack of leadership that Obama has displayed to the agencies under him. This is just one more example of weak leadership.

But then, what can you expect from a community organizer with no real experience.


do you understand just how BIG our military is these days? just how many intelligence operations we've got running at any given time? i'm not sure one guy can keep track of that anymore. Not to mention the fact that I"m pretty sure that the military isn't always honest with the administration about what they're up to at any given moment.

I'd love to see tighter civilian oversight of the military. that'd be awesome! but...its not going to happen any time soon. the Republicans would fight against it, the military itself is too gotdamn big right now to easily track and our culture seems to actually LIKE having corrupt intel agencies running the show. NONE of this is Obama's fault. it's merely the logical consequences of the Patriot act and an institutional blind spot towards how our intel agencies operate.
2012-08-15 09:18:16 AM  
2 votes:
"Four directors went to the IG," the inspector general quoted Mashiko as saying to a senior officer. "I would like to find them and fire them."

I wish I could say I was surprised at this.....

*sigh*

when you remove oversight from military organizations (specifically - intelligence operations) as we did when we started this whole 'war on terror' thing, you are going to get people who abuse their authority.
2012-08-15 06:22:28 PM  
1 votes:
Obiwanfartbama is awesome! And raiding medical cannabis after promising to leave it alone, and deporting more immigrants than Bush did in his eight years, and signing the NDAA, and surging in Afghanistan, and saying he believes in gay marriage without really fighting for it, and running a kill list, and running Gitmo, and backing down on the public option, and bailing out banks...

YES, MORE FASCISM PLEASE.
2012-08-15 03:11:37 PM  
1 votes:

Cubicle Jockey: The US armed forces have repeatedly stated that no US asset was harmed due to the wikileaks document dump.


Would they say so if foreign intelligence agencies received extremely damaging information?
Uh no. It's called counterintelligence.

Never mind the diplomatic damage.
Maning knew the consequences of his actions. He got specific training and instruction in what would happen to him if he did what he did. Yet, he did it anyway. Sucks to be him.
Also, it commonly takes time for prosecutors to bring a full set of charges.

You'd think the Army would have done a more thorough background check on him.
2012-08-15 02:56:24 PM  
1 votes:

Cubicle Jockey: His aim was absolutely to whistleblow. Even the incomplete logs of the Lamo conversation show that his goal was transparency and bringing the 2007 helicopter and more to light. He took a shotgun approach instead of a scalpel.


And therein lies his downfall.

Plus, I don't buy the altruistic motive crap: It was pure revenge for his perceived mistreatment by the military. If it was altruistic, he wouldn't have done a data dump like that, he would have only released legitimately bad stuff. There are plenty of things that are secret and should remain so, and that aren't necessarily embarrassing to the US but nonetheless can damage it, and Manning didn't farking care. He just wanted to hurt the system that hurt him.

Plus, he was held in "prevention of injury" status, which given his confused mental state, was probably appropriate. That's why he was in "solitary".
2012-08-15 01:10:34 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Cubicle Jockey: dittybopper: Don't lump Bradley Manning in with legitimate whistleblowers

True. They weren't forced to go through isolation torture prior to trial.

Link

.

See that stain on the carpet? That's the purple piss my heart bleeds for him.


Manning will probably be tried for espionage, which is okey-dokey.
2012-08-15 01:05:01 PM  
1 votes:

Cubicle Jockey: dittybopper: Don't lump Bradley Manning in with legitimate whistleblowers

True. They weren't forced to go through isolation torture prior to trial.

Link

.


I guess we still have morons that are confusing mass release of anything secret they can get their hands on and whistleblowing.



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Danka.
2012-08-15 12:50:34 PM  
1 votes:
Just to highlight the stunning, depraved hypocrisy: the political points Obama scored with liberals by criticizing Bush administration abuses were possible because of information made public by whistleblowers Obama is now prosecuting for leaking that very information.
2012-08-15 12:47:09 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Nem Wan: miss diminutive: "Given the lack of transparency over intelligence operations, we can't go on the word of agency officials that everything is fine," said one official, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter. "There needs to be a neutral and outside review of what's going on."

Conducted by TMZ and the National Inquirer?

The employees went to the Inspector General. The person they're supposed to report wrongdoing to. Their boss wants to equate this with leaking to the press and a crime.

Obama's been so anti-whistleblower he probably would have prosecuted 95-year-old Mark Felt (Deep Throat) if Felt hadn't died before Obama took office.

I doubt it. Felt blew the whistle on a Republican.


Obama is prosecuting Bush whistleblowers. Most egregiously, he's prosecuting those who leaked about illegal Bush torture and surveillance programs, programs he criticized as a candidate, while the people who conducted those programs are not prosecuted and their conduct is retroactively legalized.

Obama is using the Espionage Act to silence whistleblowers more aggressively than any president.
2012-08-15 12:22:26 PM  
1 votes:

aseras: Englebert Slaptyback: What's the first reaction of the National Reconnaissance Office deputy director, an Air Force major general, upon learning she had four whistleblowers reporting illegal activity? "I would like to find them and fire them"


She'll be promoted to Lt. Colonel for this.

She's a Major GENERAL dumbass. She's got 2 stars.


What is wrong with you? Would you interact this way to a person face to face who may have made an innocent mistake? What happened in your life that you feel that this was an inappropriate response.

Also I'm pretty sure you're the dumb one here because I would imagine that the comment was a tongue in cheek reference to her upcoming demotion.
2012-08-15 12:11:51 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Also, PFC Manning is under military jurisdiction. The rules are different there, and he knew that when he signed his name on his enlistment papers and took his oath.


This. He transmitted classified information to a (probably) foreign national.
The US gubmint doesn't like that, not one bit.
2012-08-15 11:58:57 AM  
1 votes:

Cubicle Jockey: But wait, there's more!


Oh, hell yes.
The Company doesn't love you. Never did, never will.
You threaten it, or even rock the career boat for anyone else, never mind get caught breaking the rules, and you're done.

/Walked away from a Beltway Toady career.
2012-08-15 11:48:38 AM  
1 votes:

Heron: What really spooks me is just how much of our intelligence work has been privatized. Those "Top Secret America" articles the Washington Post ran were chilling (and infuriating).


Thomas Drake exposed $1.2 billion in waste in a single privatized contract for the NSA when he handed over unclassified information to The Baltimore Sun,

The reprisal was heavy:


But wait, there's more!

In Kiriakou's case, the CIA found an excuse to fire his wife, also employed by the Agency, while she was on maternity leave. Whistleblower Bradley Manning, accused of leaking Army and State Department documents to the website WikiLeaks, spent more than a year in the worst of punitive conditions in a U.S. Marine prison and was denied the chance even to appear in court to defend himself until almost two years after his arrest. Former chief military prosecutor at Guantanamo Morris Davis lost his career as a researcher at the Library of Congress for writing a critical op-ed for the Wall Street Journal and a letter to the editor at the Washington Post on double standards at the infamous prison, as did Robert MacClean for blowing the whistle on the Transportation Security Administration.

Four employees of the Air Force Mortuary in Dover, Delaware, attempted to address shortcomings at the facility, which handles the remains of all American service members who die overseas. Retaliation against them included firings, the placing of employees on indefinite administrative leave, and the imposition of five-day suspensions. The story repeats itself in the context of whistleblowers now suing the Food and Drug Administration for electronically spying on them when they tried to alert Congress about misconduct at the agency. We are waiting to see the Army's reaction to whistleblower Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis, who documented publicly this week that senior leaders of the Department of Defense intentionally and consistently misled the American people and Congress on the conduct and progress of the Afghan War.

Greenwald, 2/9/12
2012-08-15 11:37:30 AM  
1 votes:
*Mashiko, deputy director of the National Reconnaissance Office, is among officials being investigated over criminal allegations *
When the officer reacted with surprise, Mashiko backed off, saying she would have preferred if the directors had come to her first


www.wearysloth.com
"Have you told anyone else about this?"

The correct answer is "Yes. 5 different news agencies, every one of my family members, posted it to my facebook wall, and mailed out copies to all my friends"

You never say "No." NEVER!
2012-08-15 11:14:19 AM  
1 votes:
As someone who just completed the "No FEAR" training, I am getting a kick out of this story. DoD employees know what I am talking about. I want to see her certificate.
2012-08-15 11:10:30 AM  
1 votes:

Nem Wan


The employees went to the Inspector General. The person they're supposed to report wrongdoing to. Their boss wants to equate this with leaking to the press and a crime.


Exactly. The IG is there to give people an avenue for reporting such things, especially in situations where the individual is reporting something related to the chain of command above him.
2012-08-15 11:09:51 AM  
1 votes:

Nem Wan: said one official, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter.


Shhhhhhssh. It's so secret I can't even tell you who I am.
Pinky promise me you won't tell anyone.
Very sensitive subject matter.

Authoritarians get orgasms from secrecy.
2012-08-15 11:01:47 AM  
1 votes:

BillCo: Just more proof that the agencies under the Obama administration are out of control.


Like they weren't under Bush?
2012-08-15 10:54:50 AM  
1 votes:

aseras


She's a Major GENERAL dumbass. She's got 2 stars.


*facepalm*

That's a facetious way to say that she will be demoted, genius.
2012-08-15 10:51:22 AM  
1 votes:

BillCo: Just more proof that the agencies under the Obama administration are out of control.


Yup. And unlike with Shrub, this isn't the result of mismanagement, incompetence, and widespread tolerance for graft; rather, the "ok" for showing disdain for legal limits and transparency is a message they are receiving straight from the top. I concede my leftist credentials to no one, but Mr. Obama has been positively atrocious on these issues, and a willingness to admit that shouldn't be a test of political loyalty.
2012-08-15 10:44:14 AM  
1 votes:

What's the first reaction of the National Reconnaissance Office deputy director, an Air Force major general, upon learning she had four whistleblowers reporting illegal activity? "I would like to find them and fire them"


She'll be promoted to Lt. Colonel for this.
2012-08-15 10:35:26 AM  
1 votes:
My first thought was more along the lines of "They should have come to me before they went to you," which is what she backpedalled to. But, from the rest of the article, it looks like that was BS anyway.

I have no remorse for a commander that lets stuff slide like that. And she's actually lucky that the whistle-blowers did what they should do and went to the IG instead of the press. (Not that it stopped the story from getting out)
2012-08-15 10:16:57 AM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: NONE of this is Obama's fault.


During the Bush administration, if a cat was run over by a mail truck in Baltimore, some moron would come on here and say "I blame Bush". Now we have major scandals rocking some of the biggest agencies in the government and you say "NONE of this is Obama's fault" You're carrying that Messiah worship a bit too far. It's time to see about a little intervention.
2012-08-15 09:32:04 AM  
1 votes:
Consider this: General Mashiko is in charge of the organization that is tasked with preventing the next Pearl Harbor, and she is of Japanese descent.

She was commissioned as a butter bar back in 1980, and assuming she was 22 years old at the time, she'd have been born sometime around 1958. That means it's entirely possible that her parents spent time in an internment camp.

Ain't America great? Yeah, we fark up, but we try to fix our mistakes and move forward.

/She sounds like a real biatch personally, though.
//If guilty, I hope they throw the book at her.
2012-08-15 09:31:36 AM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: BillCo: Just more proof that the agencies under the Obama administration are out of control.

Obama passed the Patriot Act...? wow. I didn't know he had a time machine.


Weav, you old dog. I knew you were an ultra lefty liberal, but I didn't realize until now that you are also obtuse. I was referring to the complete lack of leadership that Obama has displayed to the agencies under him. This is just one more example of weak leadership.

But then, what can you expect from a community organizer with no real experience.
2012-08-15 09:18:54 AM  
1 votes:

BillCo: Just more proof that the agencies under the Obama administration are out of control.


Obama passed the Patriot Act...? wow. I didn't know he had a time machine.
2012-08-15 08:07:21 AM  
1 votes:
Just more proof that the agencies under the Obama administration are out of control.
 
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