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(Stars and Stripes)   What's the first reaction of the National Reconnaissance Office deputy director, an Air Force major general, upon learning she had four whistleblowers reporting illegal activity? "I would like to find them and fire them"   (stripes.com) divider line 132
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2012-08-15 11:21:17 AM

Weaver95: BillCo: Weaver95: NONE of this is Obama's fault.

During the Bush administration, if a cat was run over by a mail truck in Baltimore, some moron would come on here and say "I blame Bush". Now we have major scandals rocking some of the biggest agencies in the government and you say "NONE of this is Obama's fault" You're carrying that Messiah worship a bit too far. It's time to see about a little intervention.

to be fair, Bush unleashed a lot of our current problems - he signed the Patriot Act. took a couple/few years for these issues to surface though. Bush stripped a LOT of civilian oversight out of this process. Congress helped of course. And the corporate press hammered home the message that these measures were necessary for 'national defense'. People stopped paying attention, and the military (and all our intel agencies really) learned that they had very few restrictions on how they could operate.

Now we're seeing that this permissive and secretive culture is breeding bad leaders. well no shiat - what did you THINK was going to happen? in order to fix that sort of situation, Obama would have to completely rebuild several US intelligence agencies....and he doesn't have that sort of political capital. NOBODY has that sort of political capital. I"m sure this director is going to be ordered to fall on her sword. which she will do. then she'll retire and be moved off stage. Obama will say the matter is closed, the NRO will close ranks and the abuses will silently continue with the public none the wiser. you can biatch about that if you'd like...but it really wouldn't matter who's in the white house when it comes to this sort of organization. we've given the spies damn near unlimited power and I don't know how we're ever going to stuff them back into the box.



Actually it is Obamas fault, I grant that Bush started it, but he is not in the drivers seat now and no matter how many bbbbutt the Rethugs you trow out he is the Commander in Chief, his executive orders are the word of God to the military, they may be overridden by an act of congress but that would take a 2/3 majority to overcome his veto.

To show just how out of control he has allowed it to get you need look no farther than this; the CIA uses drones for targeted killings in Pakistan, from the time they started doing this till Bush left office was 5 years, during which there were 52 strikes, in Obamas 3 and a half years in the drivers seat there have been 282 strikes so far and they are continuing, despite us not being at war with Pakistan and their repeated demands that we stop.

Also Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 by rightfully denouncing Bushes secret prisons and brutal interrogations, which were public knowledge only because of leaks of classified information to the news media. He began his term by pledging the most transparent administration in history.

In office, however, he has outdone all previous presidents in mounting criminal prosecutions over such leaks, overseeing six such cases to date, compared with three under all previous administrations combined.

Bush has a lot to answer for but when you campaign on change and the only change you make is giving insurance companies millions of new customers under the guise of healthcare reform, then its time to pack your bags, now if there were only someone to vote for besides Obama and Romney
 
2012-08-15 11:26:14 AM

Weaver95: "Four directors went to the IG," the inspector general quoted Mashiko as saying to a senior officer. "I would like to find them and fire them."

I wish I could say I was surprised at this.....

*sigh*

when you remove oversight from military organizations (specifically - intelligence operations) as we did when we started this whole 'war on terror' thing, you are going to get people who abuse their authority.


I'd guess that she probably stepped on those who are reporting her. A good sign that she isn't a good, quality leader that was promoted too fast, too soon by not taking care of those she's appointed over. There is a right way and wrong way to lead troops. I would guess she's not a quality leader.
 
2012-08-15 11:31:44 AM
How does a Jap get so fat? She shames her ancestors.
 
2012-08-15 11:32:45 AM

DivorceWar Veteran: I'd guess that she probably stepped on those who are reporting her. A good sign that she isn't a good, quality leader that was promoted too fast, too soon by not taking care of those she's appointed over. There is a right way and wrong way to lead troops. I would guess she's not a quality leader.


Not just that, but also, her body is round.
 
2012-08-15 11:36:50 AM
www.stripes.com

I wondered what Rosanne Barr was doing. "What's up with all these whistleblowers? Why can't the come to me? I'd address their complaints, listen to their concerns and then fire them."
 
2012-08-15 11:37:07 AM
Geeze, read the comments in the article. Vicious, but some were funny.
 
2012-08-15 11:37:30 AM
*Mashiko, deputy director of the National Reconnaissance Office, is among officials being investigated over criminal allegations *
When the officer reacted with surprise, Mashiko backed off, saying she would have preferred if the directors had come to her first


www.wearysloth.com
"Have you told anyone else about this?"

The correct answer is "Yes. 5 different news agencies, every one of my family members, posted it to my facebook wall, and mailed out copies to all my friends"

You never say "No." NEVER!
 
2012-08-15 11:38:46 AM

Weaver95: "Four directors went to the IG," the inspector general quoted Mashiko as saying to a senior officer. "I would like to find them and fire them."

I wish I could say I was surprised at this.....

*sigh*

when you remove oversight from military organizations (specifically - intelligence operations) as we did when we started this whole 'war on terror' thing, you are going to get people who abuse their authority.


Actually we removed oversight in 1953 when asshole Eisenhower decided it was a great idea to overthrow the democratically elected leader of Iran.

Not many people realize the nuts in the intel organizations had tried to get Truman to do the overthrow but he realized it was an insane idea.
 
2012-08-15 11:39:34 AM
The agency's deputy director, Air Force Maj. Gen. Susan Mashiko, then heard about the investigation and made what the inspector general described as an illegal threat of retaliation against the whistleblowers.


Someone's not being a very good model.
 
2012-08-15 11:40:01 AM
Boy she's uglier that janet Nipplelittle. I hope no one was dumb enough to marry her. Nipplelittle's husband is a judge, a very bad judge of taste for sure.
 
2012-08-15 11:40:12 AM
I think that statement by itself should be grounds for removal and arrest.
 
2012-08-15 11:40:52 AM
You would think the National Reconnaissance Office, if they lived up to their name, could find out who was ratting them out if they were in fact the National Reconnaissance Office

National Reconnaissance Office
 
2012-08-15 11:44:23 AM

BMFPitt: I think that statement by itself should be grounds for removal and arrest.


I'd go for a fair trail and execution.
 
2012-08-15 11:45:26 AM

Great Odins Raven: How does a Jap general get so fat?


1. She's Air Force. That says a lot right there.

2. She's a general. Nobody puts generals on mandatory weight control programs, or forces them to do PT.

3. She's a woman. Different body fat standard than men.

4. She's older. Body mass restrictions relax with age (along with PT standards).
 
2012-08-15 11:45:36 AM

CommieTaoist: Regardless of any wrongdoing with the contracts, she should be fired for being stupid enough to say something so idiotic in front of an IG.


I think she should be fired, too, but where would we find a cannon that size?
 
2012-08-15 11:45:36 AM
She's like the Joe Paterno of the USAF.
I bet that food abuser couldn't make it through basic training.
 
2012-08-15 11:46:25 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: DivorceWar Veteran: I'd guess that she probably stepped on those who are reporting her. A good sign that she isn't a good, quality leader that was promoted too fast, too soon by not taking care of those she's appointed over. There is a right way and wrong way to lead troops. I would guess she's not a quality leader.

Not just that, but also, her body is round.


No fitness requirements for field grades?
 
2012-08-15 11:47:24 AM

dittybopper: 2. She's a general. Nobody puts generals on mandatory weight control programs, or forces them to do PT.


Exactly.
They are there to implement ridiculous standards and programs. Not to adhere to them.
Jerks.
 
2012-08-15 11:48:10 AM
This sure does underline why it's all over for america. Our self correcting mechanism is seen as the problem by our scumbag leaders.

Very similar to the way the republican party lost it's ability to fix itself when it adopted retard Rayguns 11th commandment.
 
2012-08-15 11:48:13 AM

vudukungfu: She's like the Joe Paterno of the USAF.
I bet that food abuser couldn't make it through basic training.


My bet, and I'll give real good odds; she is somebody's crotchfruit.

/somebody powerful by "God's" choice.
 
2012-08-15 11:48:38 AM

Heron: What really spooks me is just how much of our intelligence work has been privatized. Those "Top Secret America" articles the Washington Post ran were chilling (and infuriating).


Thomas Drake exposed $1.2 billion in waste in a single privatized contract for the NSA when he handed over unclassified information to The Baltimore Sun,

The reprisal was heavy:


But wait, there's more!

In Kiriakou's case, the CIA found an excuse to fire his wife, also employed by the Agency, while she was on maternity leave. Whistleblower Bradley Manning, accused of leaking Army and State Department documents to the website WikiLeaks, spent more than a year in the worst of punitive conditions in a U.S. Marine prison and was denied the chance even to appear in court to defend himself until almost two years after his arrest. Former chief military prosecutor at Guantanamo Morris Davis lost his career as a researcher at the Library of Congress for writing a critical op-ed for the Wall Street Journal and a letter to the editor at the Washington Post on double standards at the infamous prison, as did Robert MacClean for blowing the whistle on the Transportation Security Administration.

Four employees of the Air Force Mortuary in Dover, Delaware, attempted to address shortcomings at the facility, which handles the remains of all American service members who die overseas. Retaliation against them included firings, the placing of employees on indefinite administrative leave, and the imposition of five-day suspensions. The story repeats itself in the context of whistleblowers now suing the Food and Drug Administration for electronically spying on them when they tried to alert Congress about misconduct at the agency. We are waiting to see the Army's reaction to whistleblower Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis, who documented publicly this week that senior leaders of the Department of Defense intentionally and consistently misled the American people and Congress on the conduct and progress of the Afghan War.

Greenwald, 2/9/12
 
2012-08-15 11:55:16 AM

Snarfangel: CommieTaoist: Regardless of any wrongdoing with the contracts, she should be fired for being stupid enough to say something so idiotic in front of an IG.

I think she should be fired, too, but where would we find a cannon that size?


No way you can, our biggest gun, Little David only had a bore diameter of 36 inches, since she is air force maybe you could drop her like a squishy bunker buster?
 
2012-08-15 11:55:40 AM
Peter Principle in Action
 
2012-08-15 11:56:21 AM
My first impression is that she's toast.
Perhaps she can retire to SFO and become a consultant to Homeland Security or get a job at Lockheed.
 
2012-08-15 11:58:57 AM

Cubicle Jockey: But wait, there's more!


Oh, hell yes.
The Company doesn't love you. Never did, never will.
You threaten it, or even rock the career boat for anyone else, never mind get caught breaking the rules, and you're done.

/Walked away from a Beltway Toady career.
 
2012-08-15 12:00:30 PM

Cubicle Jockey: . Whistleblower Bradley Manning, accused of leaking Army and State Department documents to the website WikiLeaks, spent more than a year in the worst of punitive conditions in a U.S. Marine prison and was denied the chance even to appear in court to defend himself until almost two years after his arrest.


Good.

Don't lump Bradley Manning in with legitimate whistleblowers. It's one thing to do a narrow reveal on a particular thing you think is wrong. Indiscriminately dumping hundreds of thousands of documents so they can be made public, with no consideration whatsoever of the contents, is unconscionable.

Also, PFC Manning is under military jurisdiction. The rules are different there, and he knew that when he signed his name on his enlistment papers and took his oath.
 
2012-08-15 12:02:33 PM

Weaver95: BillCo: Weaver95: BillCo: Just more proof that the agencies under the Obama administration are out of control.

Obama passed the Patriot Act...? wow. I didn't know he had a time machine.

Weav, you old dog. I knew you were an ultra lefty liberal, but I didn't realize until now that you are also obtuse. I was referring to the complete lack of leadership that Obama has displayed to the agencies under him. This is just one more example of weak leadership.

But then, what can you expect from a community organizer with no real experience.

do you understand just how BIG our military is these days? just how many intelligence operations we've got running at any given time? i'm not sure one guy can keep track of that anymore. Not to mention the fact that I"m pretty sure that the military isn't always honest with the administration about what they're up to at any given moment.

I'd love to see tighter civilian oversight of the military. that'd be awesome! but...its not going to happen any time soon. the Republicans would fight against it, the military itself is too gotdamn big right now to easily track and our culture seems to actually LIKE having corrupt intel agencies running the show. NONE of this is Obama's fault. it's merely the logical consequences of the Patriot act and an institutional blind spot towards how our intel agencies operate.


4/10 - had me going until that
 
2012-08-15 12:11:51 PM

dittybopper: Also, PFC Manning is under military jurisdiction. The rules are different there, and he knew that when he signed his name on his enlistment papers and took his oath.


This. He transmitted classified information to a (probably) foreign national.
The US gubmint doesn't like that, not one bit.
 
2012-08-15 12:12:42 PM
I'll be the general's favorite morning beverage is 'Tang.
 
2012-08-15 12:22:26 PM

aseras: Englebert Slaptyback: What's the first reaction of the National Reconnaissance Office deputy director, an Air Force major general, upon learning she had four whistleblowers reporting illegal activity? "I would like to find them and fire them"


She'll be promoted to Lt. Colonel for this.

She's a Major GENERAL dumbass. She's got 2 stars.


What is wrong with you? Would you interact this way to a person face to face who may have made an innocent mistake? What happened in your life that you feel that this was an inappropriate response.

Also I'm pretty sure you're the dumb one here because I would imagine that the comment was a tongue in cheek reference to her upcoming demotion.
 
2012-08-15 12:28:09 PM
GawdDayum I'm always amused how Americans can turn almost any issue into a platform for bi-partisan bickering.

For example:

NewsFlash -- Rogue black bear breaks into Walmart and eats food, terrifies shoppers

Republican -- Here's another fine example of how Obama has failed America by dismantling the national bear patrol in favour of bankrupting the country through liberal wharrgarbl

Democrat -- There were bears during the Bush administration, you moran. Perhaps if you stopped getting all your news from Limbaugh then you would know that...

Political Candidate -- This bear problem is something that affect each and every American, regardless of age, gender, or tax bracket. If you vote for me, I will make bear amelioration my TOP PRIORITY

Sophomore Congressman -- We need to pass this "Keep our chilluns' safe from ursine predators" bill which includes an amendment which establishes a national bear safety agency which will drive trucks around and stop citizens to make sure they aren't bears in disguise.

And so on, and so on, ad infitnitum
 
2012-08-15 12:29:12 PM
www.stripes.com

Maj. Gen. Susan Mashiko to whistleblowers, "CHUT UP!"
 
2012-08-15 12:37:05 PM
Can anybody tell me what the insignia on her left breast means? I see soem type of wings ont here, but she seems to fat to do anythingt hat requires them howeve rI am not familiar with Air Force insignia.
 
2012-08-15 12:42:55 PM
What? No this yet?

media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-15 12:44:12 PM

IAmRight: CommieTaoist: Regardless of any wrongdoing with the contracts, she should be fired for being stupid enough to say something so idiotic in front of an IG.

Even though literally every officer thinks it when someone goes to the IG instead of them. (though in this case, apparently they had gone to her previously)

Englebert Slaptyback: That's a facetious way to say that she will be demoted, genius.

Since when do officers get demoted? In my Air Force and Marine Corps, officers got booted the f*ck out (or just prevented from ever getting promoted again), not demoted.


I must have been in a different AF. Some of the ones booted were demoted first.

Link

Link
 
2012-08-15 12:44:54 PM
CSB:
When I was working near Rome-on-the-Potomac, I dated an Air Force officer, a captain, who was pretty porky. She also had a pretty high security clearance and was surprisingly unselfconscious and not even especially intelligent. I mean, she was bright enough, but there was something about her mind that was just sterile or something. She tended to have very little sense of humor, though generally cheerful enough. Anyway, she once told me that she would be glad when she got out of the Air Force because she was tired of people telling her to lose weight. So here was this pretty porky woman, just maintaining or probably exceeding fitness standards, who was looking forward to letting her inner glutton loose on the world and she could get an $80K job with a defense contractor. I got out of there pretty fast.

/She was crazy in an unimaginative way, which was ultimately pretty boring.
//The high security clearance part of it just mystified me. I guess they need office gofers with better than Top Secret clearances.
///Oh, that woman was dull.
 
2012-08-15 12:47:09 PM

dittybopper: Nem Wan: miss diminutive: "Given the lack of transparency over intelligence operations, we can't go on the word of agency officials that everything is fine," said one official, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter. "There needs to be a neutral and outside review of what's going on."

Conducted by TMZ and the National Inquirer?

The employees went to the Inspector General. The person they're supposed to report wrongdoing to. Their boss wants to equate this with leaking to the press and a crime.

Obama's been so anti-whistleblower he probably would have prosecuted 95-year-old Mark Felt (Deep Throat) if Felt hadn't died before Obama took office.

I doubt it. Felt blew the whistle on a Republican.


Obama is prosecuting Bush whistleblowers. Most egregiously, he's prosecuting those who leaked about illegal Bush torture and surveillance programs, programs he criticized as a candidate, while the people who conducted those programs are not prosecuted and their conduct is retroactively legalized.

Obama is using the Espionage Act to silence whistleblowers more aggressively than any president.
 
2012-08-15 12:49:38 PM
I hate to sound like a cynic, but if anything happens to Maj. Gen. Mashiko at all, she'll lose one star, retire as a Brigadier General, and keep her full pension. That's the worst case scenario. The most likely one is her retiring at her current rank with full pension, and immediately stepping into a contractor or civil service position somewhere w/in the DOD. Chances are the NRO is already preparing for her transition into civilian life.

There's a term in the military: RHIP. Rank Has Its Privileges.
 
2012-08-15 12:50:34 PM
Just to highlight the stunning, depraved hypocrisy: the political points Obama scored with liberals by criticizing Bush administration abuses were possible because of information made public by whistleblowers Obama is now prosecuting for leaking that very information.
 
2012-08-15 12:50:39 PM

liam76: Can anybody tell me what the insignia on her left breast means? I see soem type of wings ont here, but she seems to fat to do anything that requires them however I am not familiar with Air Force insignia.


That is the coveted "Buffet Grazing Rights - FIRST IN LINE" award.
 
2012-08-15 12:51:08 PM

dittybopper: Don't lump Bradley Manning in with legitimate whistleblowers


True. They weren't forced to go through isolation torture prior to trial.

Link

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2012-08-15 12:52:46 PM

liam76: Can anybody tell me what the insignia on her left breast means? I see soem type of wings ont here, but she seems to fat to do anythingt hat requires them howeve rI am not familiar with Air Force insignia.


Space and missile systems badge. No flappy things though.
 
2012-08-15 12:56:52 PM

Nem Wan: Just to highlight the stunning, depraved hypocrisy: the political points Obama scored with liberals by criticizing Bush administration abuses were possible because of information made public by whistleblowers Obama is now prosecuting for leaking that very information.


Yes but, you know, if you vote for the Green Party, you are giving the election to the Republicans, and all that. Just giving you an advance on some of the responses you'll be receiving.
 
2012-08-15 01:00:35 PM

BillCo: Weaver95: NONE of this is Obama's fault.

During the Bush administration, if a cat was run over by a mail truck in Baltimore, some moron would come on here and say "I blame Bush". Now we have major scandals rocking some of the biggest agencies in the government and you say "NONE of this is Obama's fault" You're carrying that Messiah worship a bit too far. It's time to see about a little intervention.


Okay, but you clearly have no idea how the military chain of command works.
 
2012-08-15 01:01:23 PM

Nem Wan: Just to highlight the stunning, depraved hypocrisy: the political points Obama scored with liberals by criticizing Bush administration abuses were possible because of information made public by whistleblowers Obama is now prosecuting for leaking that very information.


You expected more of Obiwanfartbongo?
I did.
That's why I won't be voting for him in November.
 
2012-08-15 01:02:54 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: aseras

She's a Major GENERAL dumbass. She's got 2 stars.


*facepalm*

That's a facetious way to say that she will be demoted, genius.




Well to be fair to aseras, it didn't come across as very funny


.....at all
 
2012-08-15 01:04:01 PM

Cubicle Jockey: dittybopper: Don't lump Bradley Manning in with legitimate whistleblowers

True. They weren't forced to go through isolation torture prior to trial.

Link

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See that stain on the carpet? That's the purple piss my heart bleeds for him.
 
2012-08-15 01:04:30 PM
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2012-08-15 01:05:01 PM

Cubicle Jockey: dittybopper: Don't lump Bradley Manning in with legitimate whistleblowers

True. They weren't forced to go through isolation torture prior to trial.

Link

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I guess we still have morons that are confusing mass release of anything secret they can get their hands on and whistleblowing.



URAPNIS: Space and missile systems badge. No flappy things though


Danka.
 
2012-08-15 01:05:07 PM
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