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(Major League Baseball)   Volstad overpowered in loss. This is not a repeat from every fifth day since July 17th, 2011   (chicago.cubs.mlb.com) divider line 26
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2012-08-15 08:30:48 AM
Wasn't Volstad the asshole responsible for Prohibition?
 
2012-08-15 10:42:24 AM
Don't worry, Cubbies. Those powerhouse-of-the-division Astros will be gone next year and then nothing will stand in the way of your march to the World Series!
 
2012-08-15 10:54:26 AM
Volstad overpowered in loss. This is not a repeat from every fifth day since July 17th, 2011July 22, 1919

FTFY
 
2012-08-15 10:57:11 AM
At least it was against a respectable team like the Astros.
 
2012-08-15 11:18:27 AM
It was nice to finally see a complete game from the Astros. Maybe next year they won't finish last in the AL West.

/FU Selig
 
2012-08-15 11:21:26 AM
They thought they could turn Anthony Young's career around, too.
 
2012-08-15 11:35:51 AM
Volstad (wasn't he one of the Darryl's from "Newhart"?) is just another body to fill out the rotation while the latest "5-year plan" slowly starts to build. With Dempster banished to Texas where he can destroy his contract year, that leaves Alfonso Soriano (and possibly Marmol) as the last big-money player(s) keeping the Cubs from achieving their goal of collecting ticket money ($80 bleacher seats), parking and concessions like they are the Yankees.. while shelling out a player payroll like they are the Rays.

But that's not important now, the organization is laser-focused on their top goal of wringing $200-300 million out of state and local government.

/Epstein was supposed to be the GM to save us
//Instead he's team president, hiring his cronies to fill the front office
///Pretty much like happened when the Cubs brought in Andy MacFAIL, just sayin'.
 
2012-08-15 11:39:42 AM

Bull Schmitt: Volstad (wasn't he one of the Darryl's from "Newhart"?) is just another body to fill out the rotation while the latest "5-year plan" slowly starts to build. With Dempster banished to Texas where he can destroy his contract year, that leaves Alfonso Soriano (and possibly Marmol) as the last big-money player(s) keeping the Cubs from achieving their goal of collecting ticket money ($80 bleacher seats), parking and concessions like they are the Yankees.. while shelling out a player payroll like they are the Rays.

But that's not important now, the organization is laser-focused on their top goal of wringing $200-300 million out of state and local government.

/Epstein was supposed to be the GM to save us
//Instead he's team president, hiring his cronies to fill the front office
///Pretty much like happened when the Cubs brought in Andy MacFAIL, just sayin'.


You were expecting the new management to turn that mess around in a year?
 
2012-08-15 11:49:20 AM

Bull Schmitt: Volstad (wasn't he one of the Darryl's from "Newhart"?) is just another body to fill out the rotation while the latest "5-year plan" slowly starts to build. With Dempster banished to Texas where he can destroy his contract year, that leaves Alfonso Soriano (and possibly Marmol) as the last big-money player(s) keeping the Cubs from achieving their goal of collecting ticket money ($80 bleacher seats), parking and concessions like they are the Yankees.. while shelling out a player payroll like they are the Rays.

But that's not important now, the organization is laser-focused on their top goal of wringing $200-300 million out of state and local government.

/Epstein was supposed to be the GM to save us
//Instead he's team president, hiring his cronies to fill the front office
///Pretty much like happened when the Cubs brought in Andy MacFAIL, just sayin'.


The Cubs were over burdened with a mess of huge contracts and aging players. The rebuilding model is what every good team tries to do: go young, build from within, use free agency and smart trades to fill in the blanks. Whether or not they have any success is really hard to tell, but this method has been proven to work time and time again.

Being stuck with Soriano's contract, Dempster's contract, Marmol's contract and a cupbaord full of spare parts and not quite ready-for-primtime players does not lead to a one-year or even two-year turn around. They are building a foundation that hopefully settles into a strong system in the long run. They want to become a franchise run like the Yankees. This is the way to do it.

They got off to a good start by dumping Zambrano (not that Volstad has been any better, but at least the human volcano is gone). Next they promoted their three top players from Iowa and traded Dempster for some good prospects from Texas. Next is finding a way to dump off Soriano, much like they did with Zambrano. Then finally move Marmol when his contract expires. The errors of the previous management will take a few years to erode, but when they do, the Cubs will come out better for it and will contend for many years...not just once every ten.

I still believe...
 
2012-08-15 11:49:21 AM

FreakinB: You were expecting the new management to turn that mess around in a year?


It's been what, 8 months now? It's pretty clear that it wasn't fixed 3 months in. Since it wasn't fixed by then it was pretty clear that Bull's assessment is right, even if he is a lot more patient than he should have been.
 
2012-08-15 11:57:20 AM
Chris Volstad sucks? Wait, I thought this was a news site.
 
2012-08-15 12:01:31 PM
also (and not to derail), but why no Red Sox mutiny thread?
I know at least two were submitted yesterday.
 
2012-08-15 12:06:49 PM

Cubs300: They got off to a good start by dumping Zambrano (not that Volstad has been any better, but at least the human volcano is gone). Next they promoted their three top players from Iowa and traded Dempster for some good prospects from Texas. Next is finding a way to dump off Soriano, much like they did with Zambrano. Then finally move Marmol when his contract expires. The errors of the previous management will take a few years to erode, but when they do, the Cubs will come out better for it and will contend for many years...not just once every ten.


Good luck dumping Soriano without eating 75% of the contract
 
2012-08-15 12:14:43 PM

The Bestest: also (and not to derail), but why no Red Sox mutiny thread?
I know at least two were submitted yesterday.


Wondering the same thing. I can't fathom Farkers would rather extrapolate on a poor outing from Chris f*cking Volstad,
 
2012-08-15 12:21:04 PM

Killer Cars: The Bestest: also (and not to derail), but why no Red Sox mutiny thread?
I know at least two were submitted yesterday.

Wondering the same thing. I can't fathom Farkers would rather extrapolate on a poor outing from Chris f*cking Volstad,


No, this is another "lets laugh and gawk at the Cub's futility" thread. These are as common as Red Sox vs. Yankees threads.

/10 runs?
//to the Astros?!?
 
2012-08-15 12:30:46 PM

FreakinB: You were expecting the new management to turn that mess around in a year?


No, and it's not really fair to compare Epstein to MacPhail, just that the circumstances around the Epstein hiring drama turned out similar, in the sense of the GM the fans wanted turned out to become team president, eerily similar.

But certainly Prince Fielder figures to be a productive player in three years, when the team is supposed to be contending. (Resources that were used to trade for Rizzo could have been used to address a different need.) And now that the starting rotation has been cleaned out in trades, and possibly non-tendering Garza off his injury.. you have AAAA guys like Volstad surrounding Jeff Spellcheck and Travis Wood. Do I think they are going to pony up to go after Greinke? No, it will be two or three guys signed in late January, trying to find more Paul Maholm lightning in a bottle.

img1.fark.net "The Chicago Cubs will be parting ways with Oneri Fleita, a 15-year member of the front office who had headed up the Cubs' farm system for many years. Fleita's considered one of the top executives dealing with Latin America, and had been a big part of the Cubs' development efforts in the Dominican Republic, among other places."

Purge continues.
 
2012-08-15 01:08:41 PM

Bull Schmitt: But certainly Prince Fielder figures to be a productive player in three years


Maybe. The thing about fat ass baseball sluggers is that when they go downhill, they go down fast. Prince is 5'10, 275+ lb. That is hell on the knees.

Especially without having a DH, it was not worth the gamble for the Cubs, imo.
 
2012-08-15 01:11:36 PM

Bull Schmitt: But certainly Prince Fielder figures to be a productive player in three years


Yeah, but why would you waste $70mil for 2012-2014 when Fielder isn't going to bring this team out of the cellar single-handedly? Same with Greinke. Dempster had the lowest ERA in the league and still couldn't win games. Why spend the money right now when there will be a similar caliber player available in 3 years when they are ready to compete?
 
2012-08-15 01:35:59 PM
What I mean is that Fielder should still be productive in 2014-2018, and useful in 2019-2020. Note that I didn't mention Pujols, who is going to be an albatross before that contract runs out. Fielder is about everything Epstein (supposedly) wants in a player.

(It would have been a lot harder to convince him to come play for a rebuilding team than it would have been a bad decision to bring him in. Again, if you sign Fielder, you could also have used Cashner to trade for *another piece.)

And you ask why not Greinke? The Cubs don't have a single pitching prospect close to ready for the majors (unless you count Wood and Volstad, already up with the big club), and two AAA-AAAA cyphers filling the rotation right now. Maybe they bring Garza back for $9.5 million even with the arm trouble next year, but if they mean to contend the Cubs are going to need SOMEONE to start games.
 
2012-08-15 01:41:11 PM

Bull Schmitt: What I mean is that Fielder should still be productive in 2014-2018, and useful in 2019-2020. Note that I didn't mention Pujols, who is going to be an albatross before that contract runs out. Fielder is about everything Epstein (supposedly) wants in a player.

(It would have been a lot harder to convince him to come play for a rebuilding team than it would have been a bad decision to bring him in. Again, if you sign Fielder, you could also have used Cashner to trade for *another piece.)

And you ask why not Greinke? The Cubs don't have a single pitching prospect close to ready for the majors (unless you count Wood and Volstad, already up with the big club), and two AAA-AAAA cyphers filling the rotation right now. Maybe they bring Garza back for $9.5 million even with the arm trouble next year, but if they mean to contend the Cubs are going to need SOMEONE to start games.


But I agree with what the others are saying: Fielder and/or Greinke by themselves are not going to make enough of a difference to make the Cubs a legitimate contender over the next 3-ish years, so why throw all that money at them now? Regardless of whether the player will still be good in year 6, there's no point in spending a bunch of money on a guy when you're not close. Not when that money can be put into development. More frustrating, but more sensible.
 
2012-08-15 01:49:01 PM
Back in March, during my fantasy league auction, I got confused and started bidding on Volstad. Luckily I was outbid and picked up Vogelsong later in the draft.
 
2012-08-15 02:03:55 PM
They have bigger issues than just player development. For the first time in a long time, attendance is down. Personally, I haven't had interest in watching a single game this year...let alone go to one. The magic is dwindling and I'm becoming to wonder if just putting a competitive team on the feild will be enough to get it back.
 
2012-08-15 02:07:58 PM

markyp09: Bull Schmitt: But certainly Prince Fielder figures to be a productive player in three years

Yeah, but why would you waste $70mil for 2012-2014 when Fielder isn't going to bring this team out of the cellar single-handedly? Same with Greinke. Dempster had the lowest ERA in the league and still couldn't win games. Why spend the money right now when there will be a similar caliber player available in 3 years when they are ready to compete?


Exactly. You save the money and spend it on whichever big name is on the market when you are ready to compete. That way, you're paying the guy to help your team win during the tail end of his prime as opposed to the beginning of his decline years
 
2012-08-15 02:13:12 PM

FreakinB: Fielder and/or Greinke by themselves are not going to make enough of a difference to make the Cubs a legitimate contender over the next 3-ish years, so why throw all that money at them now? Regardless of whether the player will still be good in year 6, there's no point in spending a bunch of money on a guy when you're not close. Not when that money can be put into development. More frustrating, but more sensible.


This isn't an either-or, the Cubs aren't the Tampa Rays or KC or Pittsburgh. They have the money to put a $120 million payroll on the field *and spend all that MLB will allow to sign prospects. The issue should be "will a guy help us contend in 2014 and beyond?". No, you don't throw money at a short-term fix - but guys like Fielder and Greinke (and there aren't many of them available as free agents) figure to be productive in the window the team is aiming for.

There's already 5-10 thousand no-shows per game, I'm guessing the season ticket holders are wondering how many years they have to wait for a new farm system that won't really be producing until 2015 or so, assuming Epstein & Co. still have the mojo.
 
2012-08-15 02:22:17 PM

Bull Schmitt: They have the money to put a $120 million payroll on the field *and spend all that MLB will allow to sign prospects.


Also, too: Even with paying off Z's deal and Byrd and whatever they gave Texas to pay Dempster, payroll was down $25 million before this season started, and those deals off the books will give the Cubs another $35 million to play with. Fielder and Greinke could easily have fit into what should be the payroll. (Not that I'm saying sign them at any price, but Epstein never sniffed at Fielder, and they've already said "don't expect any big signings this winter".)
 
2012-08-16 02:08:49 PM
no prohibition ref in title, smh.
 
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