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2012-08-15 09:07:02 AM
3 votes:
Sorry, but I'll never vote Libertarian as long as "libertarian" means believing that issues like poverty, health care and civil rights (as enshrined in the Civil Rights Act of 1964) are things that don't merit attention from government.

Libertarians seem to forget that this whole "leaving it to the Free Market®" thing has been tried before, and it worked terribly.

Correction: it worked wonderfully for those already at the top of the social ladder; it only worked terribly for everyone else.
2012-08-15 08:49:23 AM
3 votes:
"There are a lot more people in this country that describe themselves as libertarian than vote libertarian," says Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson.

Because they aren't really libertarian, they are just people ashamed to call themselves republican.
2012-08-15 08:42:35 AM
3 votes:
For better or worse, he does seem to stick to true Libertarian values, rather than just Republican Light
2012-08-15 09:22:59 AM
2 votes:
Um, no. See, I've been to countries that are functioning social democracies, with strong state investment in infrastructure, education, and health care, and (relative to the U.S.) low military spending. And guess what- the people there are pretty farking free.

So no, no thanks.
2012-08-15 09:12:17 AM
2 votes:
Gary Johnson: because everybody figured out Ron Paul and his screwball kid are totally nuts.

I have to believe that the people who think Johnson is a reasonable candidate are mostly the same people who jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon a few years back because he started waving his hands about the Iraq war and drug policy then fled out the back when they finally figured out that just because he presented a few common sense policy objectives on the surface doesn't mean he's even remotely reasonable the closer you get to the core of his beliefs.

Libertarianism as a whole is absurd. Depending on its particular incarnation, it's either social liberalism for people who hate the poor but not gays or non-whites or arch-conservatism for people who like to pretend they're not part of "the system".
2012-08-15 09:01:54 AM
2 votes:
Gary Johnson is Ron Paul Lite. With maybe a bigger set of balls for actually leaving the Republican Party.

On the other hand, if he keeps this up, he might have a chance in 2016, which, if Obama wins this election, will be a make-it-or-break-it year for third parties, I think.

/Give people a reason to not vote for Hillary over which turd the Republicans throw against the wall...
2012-08-15 09:00:22 AM
2 votes:
Seeing as there is no way my State will not vote Rmoney, this guy may be on shortlist for an otherwise throwaway vote. Unless there is someone very entertaining on the ballot.

//The good thing about living in a State locked into one party or another, is that I'm not bombarded by the tiresome political adverts nearly as much as those in swing/battle States.
2012-08-15 08:58:59 AM
2 votes:
Libertarians remind me of a pharmaceutical commercial.

"Vote Libertarian! Smoke pot! Enjoy Freedom and privacy! No more wars and meddling in foreign affairs!"


Side effects may include economic ruin, social chaos, under-education, reduced literacy, and slavery to unchecked capitalist monopolies.....
2012-08-15 03:32:38 PM
1 votes:

Aarontology: Might as well. My vote means nothing in this state any way.


I've been a lifelong republican, and I live in Maryland now - a very blue state. A vote for a republican here is really not going to make any difference. That said, as disgusted as I am with the current state of the republican party I have sworn off voting for ANY republican until the party at least makes an honest attempt at righting itself. No farking way will a republican get a vote from me in the forseeable future. The republican party of today is dangerous, stupid and deeply harmful for America.

So I figured I'd vote for Obama this time around... I don't think Obama is the extreme leftist the republican party wants me to think he is - because he isn't and that's stupid. But he's not particularly leftist at all, really. He's pretty much just another goddamn establishment candidate perpetuating the two party cycle of shiatty governance. Not the worst of that bunch by any means, but certainly not revolutionary either (and we need someone revolutionary at this point). So I'm not exactly jazzed about voting for Obama, I'm just in no way voting for a republican.

So you know what? Fark it. I'll vote for the Libertarian candidate this time. Gary Johnson, you got my vote. I've voted republican in every election since my first one - Dole/Clinton. I'm not doing the two party dance anymore. Fark that bullshiat. Voting R or D every time is just giving a powerful elite a blank check to shiat on our country's future, abandon the legacy of our founders and rob the rest of society blind in cahoots with their wealthy backers.
2012-08-15 02:29:38 PM
1 votes:

bmongar: The only way to end the Republican party's old guard establishment grip on the presidential election process is to vote Libertarian.


It would certainly be nice if a substantial fraction of Republicans vote Libertarian in November. Like, say, half of them.
2012-08-15 02:29:11 PM
1 votes:

Dog Welder: I really want to vote for Gary Johnson.

Unfortunately I live in Ohio so my vote seems to matter more, and I refuse to reward the GOP for all the shenanigans they've been pulling in this state to suppress voters, and refuse to reward the GOP on a national level for trying to destroy the economy to make a President they don't like look bad.


YOUR vote probably wont matter. Even if its a close state, itll be by like 50,000 votes.

Want to show the republicans theyre losing your vote? Put it in the libertarian column. Theyll see it loud and clear.
2012-08-15 11:30:51 AM
1 votes:
SO! To be the GARY JOHNSON guy this thread, I would humbly request, wise people of Fark, that if you receive a call from a national poll, state that you are planning to vote for Gary Johnson come election day.

I am not saying to actually vote Gary Johnson. Research him, see if you agree with his policies and ideas, decide for yourself if he's too much for you (I'm quite sure he's too much for me). But, once again, if you receive a call from a national poll, state that you are planning to vote for Gary Johnson come election day.

If Gary Johnson were to poll at 15% nationwide in popularity, he would automatically be included in the national Presidential debates, where he can make his case and possibly make this two-party system a little less confident.

As I said, it is unlikely that come November, I will actually vote for Gary Johnson. More likely I will vote for Barack Obama (again). But having talked with the man, I like him, and more importantly I appreciate his candor and his stances even if I don't absolutely agree with him. So, once more, if you receive a call from a national poll, please state that you are planning to vote for Gary Johnson come election day
2012-08-15 11:30:45 AM
1 votes:

Teufelaffe: bmongar: The only way to end the Republican party's old guard establishment grip on the presidential election process is to vote Libertarian something other than Republican.

FTFY

If you're going to vote against the status quo, why limit yourself to the party of confused anarchists?


We are long past that now, aren't we? The "but Somalia" phase was cute for a while, but pretty much nobody worth talking to confuses constitutional government with anarchy. Yes, some of "those people" do, but they aren't worth talking to.
2012-08-15 11:24:32 AM
1 votes:

xanadian: I like him, but he seems a bit too extreme on entitlement reform. Now, if he comes up with a way to slash entitlement spending without harming beneficiaries, I'd be all over that.

He also wants to cut DEFENSE SPENDING by 43%.

....

Yeeeeeeeep.

/also, the ACLU seems to love him


Defense spending needs to be cut. All the bases outside the country need to be removed as well.
2012-08-15 10:51:21 AM
1 votes:

MugzyBrown: The Name: Sorry, but I'll never vote Libertarian as long as "libertarian" means believing that issues like poverty, health care and civil rights (as enshrined in the Civil Rights Act of 1964) are things that don't merit attention from government.

Poverty, public education, and healthcare have all become worse issues the more government has focused on them.


We would have no pubic education if it weren't for the government. It would be private education.

We've greatly reduced poverty among the elderly, and have kept a lot of kids from dying since implementing social assistance programs.

And our healthcare system has just really begun to have the government step in, because it's been exclusionary in the hands of private industry.
2012-08-15 10:15:04 AM
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: pave the summer-home driveway of Lutefisk Luigi their union boss.


Oh, you think Unions are bad. Thanks for the heads up- disregarding opinions.

/also, I think Lutefisk is a Swedish "food"
2012-08-15 10:11:32 AM
1 votes:

coco ebert: Um, no. See, I've been to countries that are functioning social democracies, with strong state investment in infrastructure, education, and health care, and (relative to the U.S.) low military spending. And guess what- the people there are pretty farking free.

So no, no thanks.



And you know what those countries have more often than not, that we don't have in the US? A strong tradition of governmental honesty, competence and prudent spending.

When the Norwegian government says a bridge is going to cost a billion kroner, it comes in at a billion kroner, on time, there's no parts falling off it, and the construction crews didn't have to divert any of the asphalt to pave the summer-home driveway of Lutefisk Luigi their union boss.

I'm voting for Johnson because okay, I'm in New York and thanks to a moribund state GOP it's about as much in play for the Republicans as Detroit is...but mainly because both parties utterly fail in trustworthiness. Yeah, both sides are bad. Both sides are incompetent and corrupt. They failed their final exam. If anybody wants to argue that b-b-b-b-b-b-but the Democrats got a 24 on the final whereas the Republicans got a 22 so my side's better neener neener neener...go right ahead.
2012-08-15 09:45:59 AM
1 votes:
I like Gary Johnson. Some of his financial ideas I find absurd, but I may throw him a vote -- I'm in Illinois, so another Obama vote isn't going to change anything -- just because I'd like to see another voice at the debates, and Johnson is pretty rational on a lot of things. I get the idea that he'd at least listen to ideas that he disagrees with, something I don't get from the Republican candidates at all.

Ron Paul is a crazy person.
2012-08-15 09:40:18 AM
1 votes:
I'm voting for Gary Johnson this year.

First, even if I don't agree with everything he wants, I agree with enough of his platform I would be willing to give him a shot. He would still have to pass shiat through a hostile congress.
Second, he isn't going to win. Winning is a pipedream. But it might wake up Republicans enough to realize that people are tired of their shiat.

I live in Louisiana. This state will go for Romney regardless of rather I vote for Obama or not.
2012-08-15 09:36:07 AM
1 votes:

canyoneer: Lenny_da_Hog: Or maybe -- Just maybe -- get involved with the existing party infrastructure. Show up to caucuses , change the platforms, change the spending rules, and clean and join the corruption from the inside.

FTFY.

Yeah, the brave reformer is going to "clean up" these entrenched, powerful, criminal organizations from "the inside." That's my plan for battling the drug cartels in Mexico: I'm going to join up as a recruit and convince them to renounce violence "from the inside."

I suppose you might have been joking. If so, I salute your sense of sarcasm.


It takes numbers, but it's much more viable than waiting for a new party to form that happens to meet your ideals.

It's how the Moral Majority and Christian Coalition took over the GOP.

The main problem is people don't know about how their own parties work, and the party power structures tend to keep these things quiet in order to maintain their own interests.
2012-08-15 09:34:08 AM
1 votes:

xanadian: Lost Thought 00: For better or worse, he does seem to stick to true Libertarian values, rather than just Republican Light

That's what I was thinking. He's definitely progressive on defense spending, equality issues, drugs, and a few other things, but he's "woah" on entitlements, women's issues (actually, he's somewhere in the middle there), business regulation, and monetary policy.

I believe that the government should have as little impact as possible in everyone's lives. But there are some entities that need extensive regulation lest they REALLY go overboard. I.e., repealing that banking regulation helping to cause this current downturn.


Yeah, from his website: "Life is precious and must be protected. A woman should be allowed to make her own decisions during pregnancy until the point of viability of a fetus."

What does that even mean?

Cut Taxes, Cut infrastructure, and change regular taxation to a regressive sales tax. Calls school vouchers a "success" (only in dreamland). End auto bailouts, state bailouts (wait, let a state default?) and...huh, nothing about bank bailouts. Wonder why.

Yeah, his platform is terrible when you actually look at it.
2012-08-15 09:32:36 AM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: If I was a super rich Liberal American wanting to influence the election in favour of the DNC, I would be donating buckets of money to the Libertarian Party.

Ralph Nader stole just enough votes from Gore to hand Dubya the election (plus voter fraud in Florida of course).


I'm not sure if we've had this conversation before, but there were more overvotes (ballots where two or more people were selected for President) in Florida than votes for Nader. And it's been almost a dozen years since then, and neither party has shown any interest in fixing a voting system that throws out a hundred thousand votes in a single state.
2012-08-15 09:27:34 AM
1 votes:

canyoneer: The only solution to our multiple problems is to continue voting for the two parties that control the electoral machinery, openly take bribes, allow lobbyists to write legislation, and use their tenure in the halls of power to amass wealth and engage in legalized insider trading. Yes sir, keep on voting for Republicans and Democrats, because they obviously have done such a magnificent job of running the country in these last few decades. Keep on voting for the establishment that has led us into our current situation. I mean, what could go wrong? It's clear that they'll turn things around any day now.


Or maybe -- Just maybe -- get involved with the existing party infrastructure. Show up to caucuses, change the platforms, change the spending rules, and clean the corruption from the inside.

Oh, wait. That's too hard. I'd rather sit on the couch and let someone else do it.
2012-08-15 09:27:15 AM
1 votes:
Personally, the L party should focus fewer resources on their quixotic Presidential campaigns and focus more on getting a few Congressmen elected in friendly districts. Once you have some elected officials it's much easier to work your way onto the various talking-head shows and thus into the national debate. But the trick is once your officials are in Congress, they need to not get sucked under the "R" umbrella but rather keep themselves as a distinct option.
2012-08-15 09:26:25 AM
1 votes:
Vote Libertarian 2012: Because the government is only legitimate when I feel like it.
riotjoke.com

/homework is legal theft!
2012-08-15 09:24:00 AM
1 votes:
The only solution to our multiple problems is to continue voting for the two parties that control the electoral machinery, openly take bribes, allow lobbyists to write legislation, and use their tenure in the halls of power to amass wealth and engage in legalized insider trading. Yes sir, keep on voting for Republicans and Democrats, because they obviously have done such a magnificent job of running the country in these last few decades. Keep on voting for the establishment that has led us into our current situation. I mean, what could go wrong? It's clear that they'll turn things around any day now.
2012-08-15 09:22:06 AM
1 votes:
Libertarian philosophy is attractive because it assumes some of the best about people.

At the core seems to be the assumption that people are decent, rational, thoughtful, intelligent beings, at all times.

We aren't.
2012-08-15 09:05:09 AM
1 votes:

quatchi: "You are a libertarian. How about voting just this way one time."

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Would love it if all self described Libertarians voted for Gary Johnson.

Realize that's not gonna happen because in the main American self described Libertarians are really just embarrassed Republicans that want to smoke pot.

/Image is hot like an angry Paulistinian.


Saw this article earlier today and shot it off to my "Card Carryin' since '74, BIG ELL, Libertarian" relation.

"You've been talking up Paul Ryan all week, and I understand where you're coming from, but have you heard much about Gary Johnson? He was in the Primary but really didn't get a fair shake, as Libertarians are used to. I like some of his ideas. He seems a little more pragmatic about his views than Ron Paul, which makes him more attractive as a candidate for President."

I'm expecting him to google a WSJ article from earlier this year about how Gary Johnson wants to make it legal for kids to grow pot in their middle school cafeterias or something. But maybe he'll actually take a look.
2012-08-15 09:03:54 AM
1 votes:
if you could combine the best of his ideas with the best of stein's you'd actually have an intelligent and sustainable vision for this country in the 21st century. unfortunately on their own, each has severely flawed ideas, and isn't electable anyways.

/ revoke corporate personhood
// Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho !
/// we're farked anyways
2012-08-15 08:56:31 AM
1 votes:
I bought one issue of Reason. I would read one article that seemed pretty reasonable, even if I didn't agree, and then one that was practically lifted out of Atlas Shrugged. Then reasonable. Then derp. Almost like they were interleaved.

One thing was certain: they hate taxes, all taxes, all the time.

So, no more issues for me.
2012-08-15 08:55:50 AM
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: Headso: "There are a lot more people in this country that describe themselves as libertarian than vote libertarian," says Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson.

Because they aren't really libertarian, they are just people ashamed to call themselves republican.

They're Republicans who like to smoke dope.


And smoke pole. But I'm being redundant.
2012-08-15 08:54:11 AM
1 votes:

Headso: "There are a lot more people in this country that describe themselves as libertarian than vote libertarian," says Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson.

Because they aren't really libertarian, they are just people ashamed to call themselves republican.


They're Republicans who like to smoke dope.
2012-08-15 08:53:09 AM
1 votes:

bmongar: The only way to end the Republican party's old guard establishment grip on the presidential election process is to vote Libertarian something other than Republican.


FTFY

If you're going to vote against the status quo, why limit yourself to the party of confused anarchists?
2012-08-15 08:48:38 AM
1 votes:
"You are a libertarian. How about voting just this way one time."

3.bp.blogspot.com

Would love it if all self described Libertarians voted for Gary Johnson.

Realize that's not gonna happen because in the main American self described Libertarians are really just embarrassed Republicans that want to smoke pot.

/Image is hot like an angry Paulistinian.
2012-08-15 08:47:27 AM
1 votes:
Until we kick out the Electorial College and bring in a non-binary voting system, this exercise is pointless.
2012-08-15 08:46:04 AM
1 votes:
Might as well. My vote means nothing in this state any way.
2012-08-15 08:45:58 AM
1 votes:

Lost Thought 00: For better or worse, he does seem to stick to true Libertarian values, rather than just Republican Light


That's what I was thinking. He's definitely progressive on defense spending, equality issues, drugs, and a few other things, but he's "woah" on entitlements, women's issues (actually, he's somewhere in the middle there), business regulation, and monetary policy.

I believe that the government should have as little impact as possible in everyone's lives. But there are some entities that need extensive regulation lest they REALLY go overboard. I.e., repealing that banking regulation helping to cause this current downturn.
2012-08-15 08:27:50 AM
1 votes:
I like him, but he seems a bit too extreme on entitlement reform. Now, if he comes up with a way to slash entitlement spending without harming beneficiaries, I'd be all over that.

He also wants to cut DEFENSE SPENDING by 43%.

....

Yeeeeeeeep.

/also, the ACLU seems to love him
 
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