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(Reason Magazine)   Gary Johnson tells you why you should vote Libertarian, just this one time   (reason.com) divider line 107
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2012-08-15 08:27:50 AM
I like him, but he seems a bit too extreme on entitlement reform. Now, if he comes up with a way to slash entitlement spending without harming beneficiaries, I'd be all over that.

He also wants to cut DEFENSE SPENDING by 43%.

....

Yeeeeeeeep.

/also, the ACLU seems to love him
 
2012-08-15 08:35:16 AM
Oh, and he supports Fair Tax?

... hmm. :-/
 
2012-08-15 08:42:35 AM
For better or worse, he does seem to stick to true Libertarian values, rather than just Republican Light
 
2012-08-15 08:45:58 AM

Lost Thought 00: For better or worse, he does seem to stick to true Libertarian values, rather than just Republican Light


That's what I was thinking. He's definitely progressive on defense spending, equality issues, drugs, and a few other things, but he's "woah" on entitlements, women's issues (actually, he's somewhere in the middle there), business regulation, and monetary policy.

I believe that the government should have as little impact as possible in everyone's lives. But there are some entities that need extensive regulation lest they REALLY go overboard. I.e., repealing that banking regulation helping to cause this current downturn.
 
2012-08-15 08:46:04 AM
Might as well. My vote means nothing in this state any way.
 
2012-08-15 08:47:27 AM
Until we kick out the Electorial College and bring in a non-binary voting system, this exercise is pointless.
 
2012-08-15 08:47:52 AM
THAT'LL SHOW THOSE FAT CATS IN WASHINGTON!!! SHOW THE DEMS YOU MEAN BUSINESS! VOTE LIBERTARIAN
 
2012-08-15 08:48:34 AM

xanadian: Now, if he comes up with a way to slash entitlement spending without harming beneficiaries


and a unicorn
 
2012-08-15 08:48:38 AM
"You are a libertarian. How about voting just this way one time."

3.bp.blogspot.com

Would love it if all self described Libertarians voted for Gary Johnson.

Realize that's not gonna happen because in the main American self described Libertarians are really just embarrassed Republicans that want to smoke pot.

/Image is hot like an angry Paulistinian.
 
2012-08-15 08:49:03 AM
The only way to end the Republican party's old guard establishment grip on the presidential election process is to vote Libertarian.
 
2012-08-15 08:49:23 AM
"There are a lot more people in this country that describe themselves as libertarian than vote libertarian," says Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson.

Because they aren't really libertarian, they are just people ashamed to call themselves republican.
 
2012-08-15 08:53:09 AM

bmongar: The only way to end the Republican party's old guard establishment grip on the presidential election process is to vote Libertarian something other than Republican.


FTFY

If you're going to vote against the status quo, why limit yourself to the party of confused anarchists?
 
2012-08-15 08:54:11 AM

Headso: "There are a lot more people in this country that describe themselves as libertarian than vote libertarian," says Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson.

Because they aren't really libertarian, they are just people ashamed to call themselves republican.


They're Republicans who like to smoke dope.
 
2012-08-15 08:55:08 AM
ace and gary
 
2012-08-15 08:55:15 AM

Jackson Herring: xanadian: Now, if he comes up with a way to slash entitlement spending without harming beneficiaries

and a unicorn


Meh. I'll just settle for a pony.
 
2012-08-15 08:55:50 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Headso: "There are a lot more people in this country that describe themselves as libertarian than vote libertarian," says Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson.

Because they aren't really libertarian, they are just people ashamed to call themselves republican.

They're Republicans who like to smoke dope.


And smoke pole. But I'm being redundant.
 
2012-08-15 08:56:31 AM
I bought one issue of Reason. I would read one article that seemed pretty reasonable, even if I didn't agree, and then one that was practically lifted out of Atlas Shrugged. Then reasonable. Then derp. Almost like they were interleaved.

One thing was certain: they hate taxes, all taxes, all the time.

So, no more issues for me.
 
2012-08-15 08:58:18 AM
Sorry, Johnson; this is a race war in the making

obama 2012

/don't f*ckin' tell me this ain't white guy vs black guy, Rmoney's made his money off pot -- hello? tinyurl.com/1mn
 
2012-08-15 08:58:59 AM
Libertarians remind me of a pharmaceutical commercial.

"Vote Libertarian! Smoke pot! Enjoy Freedom and privacy! No more wars and meddling in foreign affairs!"


Side effects may include economic ruin, social chaos, under-education, reduced literacy, and slavery to unchecked capitalist monopolies.....
 
2012-08-15 09:00:22 AM
Seeing as there is no way my State will not vote Rmoney, this guy may be on shortlist for an otherwise throwaway vote. Unless there is someone very entertaining on the ballot.

//The good thing about living in a State locked into one party or another, is that I'm not bombarded by the tiresome political adverts nearly as much as those in swing/battle States.
 
2012-08-15 09:01:06 AM
How about no?
 
2012-08-15 09:01:36 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Libertarians remind me of a pharmaceutical commercial.

"Vote Libertarian! Smoke pot! Enjoy Freedom and privacy! No more wars and meddling in foreign affairs!"


Side effects may include economic ruin, social chaos, under-education, reduced literacy, and slavery to unchecked capitalist monopolies.....


Welcome to my favorites list.
 
2012-08-15 09:01:54 AM
Gary Johnson is Ron Paul Lite. With maybe a bigger set of balls for actually leaving the Republican Party.

On the other hand, if he keeps this up, he might have a chance in 2016, which, if Obama wins this election, will be a make-it-or-break-it year for third parties, I think.

/Give people a reason to not vote for Hillary over which turd the Republicans throw against the wall...
 
2012-08-15 09:03:26 AM
hogewash.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-15 09:03:54 AM
if you could combine the best of his ideas with the best of stein's you'd actually have an intelligent and sustainable vision for this country in the 21st century. unfortunately on their own, each has severely flawed ideas, and isn't electable anyways.

/ revoke corporate personhood
// Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho !
/// we're farked anyways
 
2012-08-15 09:05:09 AM

quatchi: "You are a libertarian. How about voting just this way one time."

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 599x358]

Would love it if all self described Libertarians voted for Gary Johnson.

Realize that's not gonna happen because in the main American self described Libertarians are really just embarrassed Republicans that want to smoke pot.

/Image is hot like an angry Paulistinian.


Saw this article earlier today and shot it off to my "Card Carryin' since '74, BIG ELL, Libertarian" relation.

"You've been talking up Paul Ryan all week, and I understand where you're coming from, but have you heard much about Gary Johnson? He was in the Primary but really didn't get a fair shake, as Libertarians are used to. I like some of his ideas. He seems a little more pragmatic about his views than Ron Paul, which makes him more attractive as a candidate for President."

I'm expecting him to google a WSJ article from earlier this year about how Gary Johnson wants to make it legal for kids to grow pot in their middle school cafeterias or something. But maybe he'll actually take a look.
 
2012-08-15 09:07:02 AM
Sorry, but I'll never vote Libertarian as long as "libertarian" means believing that issues like poverty, health care and civil rights (as enshrined in the Civil Rights Act of 1964) are things that don't merit attention from government.

Libertarians seem to forget that this whole "leaving it to the Free Market®" thing has been tried before, and it worked terribly.

Correction: it worked wonderfully for those already at the top of the social ladder; it only worked terribly for everyone else.
 
2012-08-15 09:08:27 AM

macadamnut: [hogewash.files.wordpress.com image 320x240]


i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-15 09:11:11 AM
i.imgur.com

for he is my homeboy you see
 
2012-08-15 09:12:17 AM
Gary Johnson: because everybody figured out Ron Paul and his screwball kid are totally nuts.

I have to believe that the people who think Johnson is a reasonable candidate are mostly the same people who jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon a few years back because he started waving his hands about the Iraq war and drug policy then fled out the back when they finally figured out that just because he presented a few common sense policy objectives on the surface doesn't mean he's even remotely reasonable the closer you get to the core of his beliefs.

Libertarianism as a whole is absurd. Depending on its particular incarnation, it's either social liberalism for people who hate the poor but not gays or non-whites or arch-conservatism for people who like to pretend they're not part of "the system".
 
2012-08-15 09:22:06 AM
Libertarian philosophy is attractive because it assumes some of the best about people.

At the core seems to be the assumption that people are decent, rational, thoughtful, intelligent beings, at all times.

We aren't.
 
2012-08-15 09:22:59 AM
Um, no. See, I've been to countries that are functioning social democracies, with strong state investment in infrastructure, education, and health care, and (relative to the U.S.) low military spending. And guess what- the people there are pretty farking free.

So no, no thanks.
 
2012-08-15 09:24:00 AM
The only solution to our multiple problems is to continue voting for the two parties that control the electoral machinery, openly take bribes, allow lobbyists to write legislation, and use their tenure in the halls of power to amass wealth and engage in legalized insider trading. Yes sir, keep on voting for Republicans and Democrats, because they obviously have done such a magnificent job of running the country in these last few decades. Keep on voting for the establishment that has led us into our current situation. I mean, what could go wrong? It's clear that they'll turn things around any day now.
 
2012-08-15 09:25:13 AM
Libertarians: People who think legalizing pot and privatizing fire protection are great ideas that go hand in hand.
 
2012-08-15 09:25:25 AM
If I was a super rich Liberal American wanting to influence the election in favour of the DNC, I would be donating buckets of money to the Libertarian Party.

Ralph Nader stole just enough votes from Gore to hand Dubya the election (plus voter fraud in Florida of course).
 
2012-08-15 09:26:25 AM
Vote Libertarian 2012: Because the government is only legitimate when I feel like it.
riotjoke.com

/homework is legal theft!
 
2012-08-15 09:26:37 AM

coco ebert: Um, no. See, I've been to countries that are functioning social democracies, with strong state investment in infrastructure, education, and health care, and (relative to the U.S.) low military spending. And guess what- the people there are pretty farking free.

So no, no thanks.


Also, THIS.
 
2012-08-15 09:26:38 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: the Ron Paul bandwagon


Ron Paul is your ol' Uncle Ron. He shows up at Thanksgiving, and he's that fun uncle. He's goofy, and weird, and seems pretty smart while you're sitting around the TV waiting for dinner to be cooked. You'll even find yourself nodding along with him. And then a commercial for a bank comes on, and everything changes. He starts talking about gold standards, and then segues into welfare, and he always refers to welfare recipients as either "welfare queens" or "those people", and you get this sense that there's something really racist about his opinions on welfare, but he's smart enough not to say it out loud. By the time you're all sitting around the table, he's got on a good head of steam. Your mom is grinning like a skull while choking down her mashed potatoes, and everybody's just deathly afraid that Uncle Bob is going to have too much wine and start getting into it with Uncle Ron, because that's going to end with a lot of screaming and cursing.
 
2012-08-15 09:27:12 AM
My dog is libertarian.
I'll be writing in her name in November.
 
2012-08-15 09:27:15 AM
Personally, the L party should focus fewer resources on their quixotic Presidential campaigns and focus more on getting a few Congressmen elected in friendly districts. Once you have some elected officials it's much easier to work your way onto the various talking-head shows and thus into the national debate. But the trick is once your officials are in Congress, they need to not get sucked under the "R" umbrella but rather keep themselves as a distinct option.
 
2012-08-15 09:27:34 AM

canyoneer: The only solution to our multiple problems is to continue voting for the two parties that control the electoral machinery, openly take bribes, allow lobbyists to write legislation, and use their tenure in the halls of power to amass wealth and engage in legalized insider trading. Yes sir, keep on voting for Republicans and Democrats, because they obviously have done such a magnificent job of running the country in these last few decades. Keep on voting for the establishment that has led us into our current situation. I mean, what could go wrong? It's clear that they'll turn things around any day now.


Or maybe -- Just maybe -- get involved with the existing party infrastructure. Show up to caucuses, change the platforms, change the spending rules, and clean the corruption from the inside.

Oh, wait. That's too hard. I'd rather sit on the couch and let someone else do it.
 
2012-08-15 09:30:16 AM
Gary Johnson is gonna hand Obama New Mexico on a silver platter.

All of my Derpy relations and ex co-workers are sporting Gary Johnson stickers this year.

///I do like Johnson, he was an excellent governor.
///Voting for Obama this year though.
///Let's try this thing in 2016 Gary, maybe we can break the Republican party in half then!
 
2012-08-15 09:31:06 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: get involved with the existing party infrastructure.


What if you want to scrap the constitution and go to something more modern? No party has the infrastructure in place to do that.
 
2012-08-15 09:32:21 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Or maybe -- Just maybe -- get involved with the existing party infrastructure. Show up to caucuses , change the platforms, change the spending rules, and clean and join the corruption from the inside.


FTFY.

Yeah, the brave reformer is going to "clean up" these entrenched, powerful, criminal organizations from "the inside." That's my plan for battling the drug cartels in Mexico: I'm going to join up as a recruit and convince them to renounce violence "from the inside."

I suppose you might have been joking. If so, I salute your sense of sarcasm.
 
2012-08-15 09:32:36 AM

mrshowrules: If I was a super rich Liberal American wanting to influence the election in favour of the DNC, I would be donating buckets of money to the Libertarian Party.

Ralph Nader stole just enough votes from Gore to hand Dubya the election (plus voter fraud in Florida of course).


I'm not sure if we've had this conversation before, but there were more overvotes (ballots where two or more people were selected for President) in Florida than votes for Nader. And it's been almost a dozen years since then, and neither party has shown any interest in fixing a voting system that throws out a hundred thousand votes in a single state.
 
2012-08-15 09:34:08 AM

xanadian: Lost Thought 00: For better or worse, he does seem to stick to true Libertarian values, rather than just Republican Light

That's what I was thinking. He's definitely progressive on defense spending, equality issues, drugs, and a few other things, but he's "woah" on entitlements, women's issues (actually, he's somewhere in the middle there), business regulation, and monetary policy.

I believe that the government should have as little impact as possible in everyone's lives. But there are some entities that need extensive regulation lest they REALLY go overboard. I.e., repealing that banking regulation helping to cause this current downturn.


Yeah, from his website: "Life is precious and must be protected. A woman should be allowed to make her own decisions during pregnancy until the point of viability of a fetus."

What does that even mean?

Cut Taxes, Cut infrastructure, and change regular taxation to a regressive sales tax. Calls school vouchers a "success" (only in dreamland). End auto bailouts, state bailouts (wait, let a state default?) and...huh, nothing about bank bailouts. Wonder why.

Yeah, his platform is terrible when you actually look at it.
 
2012-08-15 09:36:07 AM

canyoneer: Lenny_da_Hog: Or maybe -- Just maybe -- get involved with the existing party infrastructure. Show up to caucuses , change the platforms, change the spending rules, and clean and join the corruption from the inside.

FTFY.

Yeah, the brave reformer is going to "clean up" these entrenched, powerful, criminal organizations from "the inside." That's my plan for battling the drug cartels in Mexico: I'm going to join up as a recruit and convince them to renounce violence "from the inside."

I suppose you might have been joking. If so, I salute your sense of sarcasm.


It takes numbers, but it's much more viable than waiting for a new party to form that happens to meet your ideals.

It's how the Moral Majority and Christian Coalition took over the GOP.

The main problem is people don't know about how their own parties work, and the party power structures tend to keep these things quiet in order to maintain their own interests.
 
2012-08-15 09:37:20 AM

canyoneer: Lenny_da_Hog: Or maybe -- Just maybe -- get involved with the existing party infrastructure. Show up to caucuses , change the platforms, change the spending rules, and clean and join the corruption from the inside.

FTFY.

Yeah, the brave reformer is going to "clean up" these entrenched, powerful, criminal organizations from "the inside." That's my plan for battling the drug cartels in Mexico: I'm going to join up as a recruit and convince them to renounce violence "from the inside."

I suppose you might have been joking. If so, I salute your sense of sarcasm.


If you took HALF the effort that you spend on making up excuses and devoted it towards trying what Lenny suggested you just might make some progress.
 
2012-08-15 09:40:18 AM
I'm voting for Gary Johnson this year.

First, even if I don't agree with everything he wants, I agree with enough of his platform I would be willing to give him a shot. He would still have to pass shiat through a hostile congress.
Second, he isn't going to win. Winning is a pipedream. But it might wake up Republicans enough to realize that people are tired of their shiat.

I live in Louisiana. This state will go for Romney regardless of rather I vote for Obama or not.
 
2012-08-15 09:41:09 AM

wingnut396: Seeing as there is no way my State will not vote Rmoney, this guy may be on shortlist for an otherwise throwaway vote. Unless there is someone very entertaining on the ballot.

//The good thing about living in a State locked into one party or another, is that I'm not bombarded by the tiresome political adverts nearly as much as those in swing/battle States.


Vermin Supreme! Zombie driven power plants. Oral health for all (by force, if necessary). Everyone gets a pony.

Forget the phony, I want a pony!

...and Jesus told him to make Randall Terry gay

\In the same boat you are, there's no way this state isn't going Obama so fark it. I'm voting comedy.
 
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