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(Washington Post)   Conspiracy theorists freak out over National Weather Service order for 46,000 rounds of hollowpoint ammo   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 32
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2012-08-15 01:31:13 AM
5 votes:
So, back during all the furor in the aftermath of the movie theater shooting, gun rights supporters were telling us that one guy buying 6,000 rounds of ammo is not something that should raise a red flag; it's perfectly reasonable for one person to have that much ammo.
Now, a government agency buying 46,000 rounds of ammo is cause for concern and indicative of some deep dark government conspiracy.
But if 6k rounds is an appropriate amount for one person, maybe the NOAA is just buying ammo for 8 guys. No big deal.
2012-08-15 07:23:08 AM
2 votes:

untaken_name: I'm actually a lot more worried about the 1.2 BILLION hollowpoints the DHS has recently ordered. Link


That doesn't worry me at all.
DHS employes something like 200,000 people. That works out to 6 bullets a person. They need to maintain some kind of stock, and they need bullets to practice with as well.

DHS wants to stock up on pistol ammo? No problem. DHS orders 1.2 billion .50 bmg rounds, or 40mm grenade rounds, then I'll start worrying.
2012-08-15 07:16:36 AM
2 votes:
We train NOAA here in the simulators. The stories of the nut-cases they encounter curl your skin back. They need to protect themselves. No one seem to realize out on the ocean it's worse than the sterotypes of the old times wild west.
2012-08-15 07:09:26 AM
2 votes:

gameshowhost: *reads*

Yup. Alex Jones. He's got an amazing record for uncovering plots and simultaneously not whiffing on everything else he proclaims.

/so i was told, just recently


He has an amazing record of keeping everybody's eye off the ball, which is his job.

People are convicted of conspiracy every day in this country, black guys "conspiring" to sell crack and whatnot for a few thousand bucks. But start wondering what lengths people would go to for BILLIONS and whoa there Sparky, that's a conspiracy theory.
2012-08-15 06:41:30 AM
2 votes:

BravadoGT: propasaurus: So, back during all the furor in the aftermath of the movie theater shooting, gun rights supporters were telling us that one guy buying 6,000 rounds of ammo is not something that should raise a red flag; it's perfectly reasonable for one person to have that much ammo.
Now, a government agency buying 46,000 rounds of ammo is cause for concern and indicative of some deep dark government conspiracy.
But if 6k rounds is an appropriate amount for one person, maybe the NOAA is just buying ammo for 8 guys. No big deal.

Why does the NOAA need any ammo?


You didn't RTFA didja?

It was really for NOAA's Dept. of Fisheries, which had to deal with drunk fishermen and drug smugglers on the open water without any backup.
2012-08-15 02:23:46 PM
1 votes:

BostonEMT: /I wonder what would happen if Joe-Schmo tried to order 46,000 round of FMJs.


Joe would proably have them delivered. 46,000 PRVI brand 40S&W JHP would be $13,257.20 plus shipping from "Cheaper than Dirt" of Fort Worth, Texas. As government contracts go, this is pretty small beans.

NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement has 135 officers. That's 340 rounds per officer. Let's say they carry Glock 22's (I have no idea what they carry, but glocks are popular with law enforcement) with 4 magazines each that's 60 per officer just for carry, leaving 280 left over for practice, spares against loss or damage, etc. So if they wanted to practice every other month, say, that would allow 46.6 rounds per practice session, or three full magazines, for the year.

Not that they would be doing much practicing, as they only ordered 500 targets, total. If enough officers flake on training, you get to shoot up a whole target every three months!
2012-08-15 02:15:20 PM
1 votes:

OriginalGamer: BostonEMT:

no - they are questions whose answers are classified, no *apparently* good reason.

/please feel free to give us the answers.

How about this: Get out of Moms basement, put away tinfoil hat, and if you ever spout 9/11 conspiracy crap to me in person, I will gladly take possession of your balls, and you won't be getting them back.


ah - the good 'ol internet tough girl... instead of actually answering a question - ones that i'm sure have very simple answers - you make threats and insults. very mature. Just admit you don't know or don't care. and if you DO know, feel free to post the answers and links to documentation here, or just continue covering up your insecurities with insults.

/I'm guessing you have psychological issues with admitting that you don't know something.
2012-08-15 11:30:20 AM
1 votes:

Oldiron_79: Why does the NWS need ammo? I mean I'm not wanting to jump aboard the Alex jones train, but can someone seriously answer me what they do that they would need it for, I mean its not like you are gonna shoot a tornado with your glock or something.


It isn't the National Weather Service purchasing the ammo, it is it's parent agency, NOAA, purchasing it for the Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement (da fish cops). It was a clerical error on the form that implied it was for the NWS, while explicitly stating that it was to be delivered to da fish cops.
2012-08-15 09:15:09 AM
1 votes:

CujoQuarrel: Gyrfalcon: BravadoGT: propasaurus: So, back during all the furor in the aftermath of the movie theater shooting, gun rights supporters were telling us that one guy buying 6,000 rounds of ammo is not something that should raise a red flag; it's perfectly reasonable for one person to have that much ammo.
Now, a government agency buying 46,000 rounds of ammo is cause for concern and indicative of some deep dark government conspiracy.
But if 6k rounds is an appropriate amount for one person, maybe the NOAA is just buying ammo for 8 guys. No big deal.

Why does the NOAA need any ammo?

You didn't RTFA didja?

It was really for NOAA's Dept. of Fisheries, which had to deal with drunk fishermen and drug smugglers on the open water without any backup.

But they still wouldn't be allowed hollow points. Since they have been outlawed in combat for over a hundred years I would think that they wouldn't be used by law enforcement either.


Not true, the Hague Convention only outlaws their use for international warfare.
2012-08-15 08:47:44 AM
1 votes:

Captain_Ballbeard: dittybopper: Katolu: Want to have some fun? Go to the site Abovetopsecret.com and have a look around.

/was a member for a while but kept getting threatened because I dared try to debunk a stupid "conspiracy". Glad I escaped.

Every so often, when I have the time, I'll listen to Alex Jones on shortwave. It's actually kind of funny.

Alex Jones serves his purpose. When people start looking at the Grassy Knoll, he starts screaming about Elvis being spotted nearby in a UFO. Perps whistle and walk away.

If you listen to SW you know what S/N is. Alex's job is to be the N.

"Missiles on 9/11 planes, thermite, Elvis, fake OBL. Cui Bono? What does that mean?", asks Alex Jones, Mike Ruppert et al.


Actually, in English, almost all of the domestic broadcasters are religious stations. Hell, even Alex Jones is on a religious station (WWCR). The only one I know of that isn't religious per se is WBCQ up in Maine, and they do rent out airtime to religious shows.
2012-08-15 08:09:28 AM
1 votes:
The fisheries dept at NOAA is made up of 2 branches, the scientists which we all hear about, and the enforcement or police branch which you don't hear about unless you are in a fishing community like Gloucester MA.

They have a police/enforcement branch for the same reason the National Parks Service Rangers have one. They enforce federal law on federal territory, and they have to deal with people who are armed.

Csb time.

The enforcement branch has gotten NMFS in trouble with overreaching their authority and totally farked up any good will and rapport the scientists had with the fishermen.
2012-08-15 07:24:46 AM
1 votes:

meanmutton: untaken_name: BostonEMT: untaken_name: I'm actually a lot more worried about the 1.2 BILLION hollowpoints the DHS has recently ordered. Link

yeah, but remember, DHS has what? - 8 or 10 agencies under it, so they could be buying ammo for the whole lot (save for the secret service)... the coast gaurd is one of them too... divide that by how many employees?, how many of which are "officially" armed and need to re-certify every year?, yadda yadda yadda... lobster bisque...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Homeland_Sec u rity

Yes, but do they need enough hollowpoints (which are action rounds, not target rounds) to shoot every American three times? Really?

They're not training with target rounds.


So our military can't use hollowpoint rounds but it's okay for the DHS to? Additionally, if they're using them for target practice, they're going to dramatically increase the cost of maintaining those ranges. Additionally, the difference between firing FMJ and firing hollowpoints is tiny, except to the target. Finally, if *I* have to use FMJ at the range, they should, too.
2012-08-15 07:15:20 AM
1 votes:

mister aj: Case-in-point 3: Why is our "president" spending 2 mill of taxpayer money on lawyers to keep his birth certificate sealed, and to fight any attempt in court to unseal it? No previous president has done this, but then previous presidents have been legal Americans.


Because people are stupid and will believe anything they hear without question.. like stories that the guy who released his birth certificate to the public, twice, which is two times more than any other president before him, is somehow trying to hide his birth certificate. And that a Hawaiian birth certificate will somehow... prove? his lack of citizenship.

/NSIS, but too many people *still* believe that, including one guy who I used to think was reasonably bright.
2012-08-15 07:03:50 AM
1 votes:
Headline: Conspiracy theorists

BostonEMT:
skantea: I love a good conspiracy theory.
50+ surveillance videos of the plane hitting the pentagon
our president - who ran on a ticket of openness and transparency spending so much money to hide his school financial records?


Is this a joke?
2012-08-15 07:01:14 AM
1 votes:

Shirley Ujest: Why is if more than likely that republicans are gun nuts and democrats not as much?


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If by gun nuts you mean people who lawfully own and use their guns safely and in accordance with the US constitution, that would be Republicans.

Progressive Democrats tend to by their guns from the trunks of cars and shoot their own children while doing drive by shootings and holding up 7-11s. These creatures are highly respected in your bizarro world.
2012-08-15 06:59:41 AM
1 votes:

Shirley Ujest: Why is if more than likely that republicans are gun nuts and democrats not as much?


Because Democrats supported things like the Gun control act, the Hughes amendment, and the assault weapons ban.

/Its like asking why pro-choice people tend to be Democrats.
/When a party makes banning something into a part of its political foundation, people who appose it join other parties.
2012-08-15 06:58:54 AM
1 votes:
If this is being stockpiled to mow down all the right wing nutbags who are going to go into Atomic WHARRGARBL Riot Mode the day After Obama wins this November, I'm OK with this.
2012-08-15 06:47:33 AM
1 votes:
They know that... winter is coming.
2012-08-15 06:40:57 AM
1 votes:
Its the end of the federal fiscal year, so everyone (in the federal gub'mint) is spending the rest of their allocated money. Use it or lose it. They could also be using it for a hedge on inflation as ammo prices have been going up considerably in the last few years...

/I wonder what would happen if Joe-Schmo tried to order 46,000 round of FMJs.
//prolly get watch listed if not visited directly - might get your bible/koran/FSM (recipe) book(s) taken away
///if you see something, SAY something - as long as its not about the gub'mint or the president, you paranoid, right-wing racists.
2012-08-15 06:34:22 AM
1 votes:
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2012-08-15 03:42:26 AM
1 votes:

Confabulat: If you ever listen to Alex Jones (everyone should sometimes, not too often, just to remind us how crazy our fellow Americans are), the common psychological refrain is OMG YOU HAVE WOKEN ME UP TO THE TRUTH I AM GOING TO MAKE ALL MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY SEE THIS THANK YOU FOR OPENING UP MY EYES.

This is 90% of the thinking of an Alex Jones listener. Then they go back to their engineering and banking jobs and look just like the rest of us while these nutty thoughts keep rattling around their brains. omg conspiracy


I've recently been back in contact with an old college pal I hadn't talked to in 30+ years, and he's clearly on the team. He's done everything but call me "sheeple" while repeatedly unleashing one tinfoil derpload after another. Really a nice guy, never really a dick like a lot of us could be at times, so it pains me to see this.
2012-08-15 03:19:08 AM
1 votes:

cman: Well this makes me glad to know that if a foreign enemy decimates the military, obliterates police departments, destroys Homeland Security, massacre the TSA, then we will have the NOAA with their military weapons ready to defend the homeland.


I thought that was what heavily armed high school football players were for?
2012-08-15 02:55:02 AM
1 votes:
If you ever listen to Alex Jones (everyone should sometimes, not too often, just to remind us how crazy our fellow Americans are), the common psychological refrain is OMG YOU HAVE WOKEN ME UP TO THE TRUTH I AM GOING TO MAKE ALL MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY SEE THIS THANK YOU FOR OPENING UP MY EYES.

This is 90% of the thinking of an Alex Jones listener. Then they go back to their engineering and banking jobs and look just like the rest of us while these nutty thoughts keep rattling around their brains. omg conspiracy
2012-08-15 02:15:53 AM
1 votes:
Would you conspiracy nutters all just go choke to death on a nice can of cream of bullet soup now?
2012-08-15 02:04:19 AM
1 votes:
You know, 46,000 rounds isn't that much anyway, even if this was a story.
2012-08-15 01:57:54 AM
1 votes:

ourbigdumbmouth: There has been an awful lot of ammo orders recently. DHS, now this.

I just wonder how this compares to previous years.

Maybe they're just stockpiling like the tea party are.


On a completely unrelated note, I wonder how the Syrian rebels are getting all that ammo?
2012-08-15 01:41:06 AM
1 votes:
It must be so disheartening to be an Alex Jones fan after a few decades and still waiting... still waiting... surely it's all coming down NOW, right?

sigh, maybe next year. Better buy some more canned goods for the bunker, ate all the chicken soup already.
2012-08-15 12:30:18 AM
1 votes:
Hey, them slight cold fronts are a biatch to take down!
2012-08-15 12:21:29 AM
1 votes:

ourbigdumbmouth: There has been an awful lot of ammo orders recently. DHS, now this.

I just wonder how this compares to previous years.

Maybe they're just stockpiling like the tea party are.


keeps the prices down.

I have a friend who is a redneck from north carolina. He's a john bircher - and keep in mind that utah is a state where you can admit that in public.

Back when barry soetoro was freshly elected, he and his other bircher friend - who i was bowling in league with at the time - were discussing how sure they were that obama wants to ban the sale of guns but knows that he can't so he'll ban the sale of ammunition.

They went on to discuss how the owner of the biggest gun store in town - who is also a bircher - loves when a democrat gets elected to the oval office because ammunition sales go through the roof for two years. And hates when republicans get elected because ammo sales go flat for two years.

I asked if they saw the irony in that.

They sincerely did not.
2012-08-14 11:57:17 PM
1 votes:
So the hollow-points will be used to protect fish and not weather vanes. I'm so relieved!
2012-08-14 11:54:46 PM
1 votes:
You mean the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement.
2012-08-14 11:54:08 PM
1 votes:
*reads*

Yup. Alex Jones. He's got an amazing record for uncovering plots and simultaneously not whiffing on everything else he proclaims.

/so i was told, just recently
 
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