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2012-08-15 01:03:15 PM
Everybody talks about the weather but a few brave men and women at the National Weather Service have decided to do something about it.

12 Men and Women. 46,000 rounds of hollow tip bullets.

Extreme weather won't know what hit it.

Coming to theatres on Friday, August 24.
 
2012-08-15 01:11:11 PM
The National Weather Service. Your 27th line of defence after the League of Women Voters (24), the Girl Scouts(25), and Mrs. Melba F. Feldspar, the Swamp Witch of Back Bacon Bayou, Louisiana (26).

Simpsons did it. That's where web jokers steal half their material, knowing that web hipsters and trolls don't watch the Simpsons since season 3, 5 or maybe even 1. It's always save to steal material from a show that is ranked between 21 and 200. Hipsters only watch shows ranked below 200 and trolls only watch shows ranked above 20.
 
2012-08-15 01:11:15 PM

propasaurus: So, back during all the furor in the aftermath of the movie theater shooting, gun rights supporters were telling us that one guy buying 6,000 rounds of ammo is not something that should raise a red flag; it's perfectly reasonable for one person to have that much ammo.
Now, a government agency buying 46,000 rounds of ammo is cause for concern and indicative of some deep dark government conspiracy.
But if 6k rounds is an appropriate amount for one person, maybe the NOAA is just buying ammo for 8 guys. No big deal.


Just for informational purposes.

A group spends an afternoon at the range shooting the shiat out of cans or targets, that can be a few hundred rounds very very easily, more if it's a gathering of several gun nuts because everyone wants to try the other guy's gun for compatibility testing. Size, weight, kick, recoil, sight packages, etc.(feel free to insert your gay jokes here).

So, no, 6,000 rounds is not insane, just efficient. Bulk deals and less frequent buying, money is saved(if you've got that kind of money to begin with, may as well cut corners when feasible. Also, people with the same ammo needs can split up a large order, everyone wins.

Some people like to do this every weekend or once a month. That's a lot of rounds, yes, but they do get used. It's a hobby, no different than someone buying gas for their cars for the monthly weekend road trip to the beach or paying X$ to play online games with monthly fees, or car parts for their restoration project.

Anti-gun people like to try to imply that the gun owner is sitting in his basement hand engraving anti-government slogans on each and every shell and then setting up some sort of shrine with the presidents eyes scratched out with a pen knife when they spit out that 6,000 is a lot of ammo for one guy to be buying.
 
2012-08-15 01:16:54 PM

BostonEMT: Big Dave: Headline: Conspiracy theorists

BostonEMT: skantea: I love a good conspiracy theory.
50+ surveillance videos of the plane hitting the pentagon
our president - who ran on a ticket of openness and transparency spending so much money to hide his school financial records?

Is this a joke?

no - they are questions whose answers are classified, no *apparently* good reason.

/please feel free to give us the answers.


How about this: Get out of Moms basement, put away tinfoil hat, and if you ever spout 9/11 conspiracy crap to me in person, I will gladly take possession of your balls, and you won't be getting them back.
 
2012-08-15 01:19:13 PM
Channel Six would like to remind terrorists and our loyal viewers that the weather girl does not create the weather, she merely reports it. We are sorry if the weather has spoiled your plans but we are not responsible for its failure to conform with our predictions or guesses.

The National Weather Service actually creates the weather, we just pass it on to you from the national news feeds.

WARNING: National Weather Servicemen and women are heavily armed in preparation for attacks by TV weather audiences and are believed by Jane's Book of Federal Agencies to be capable of holding out against a seige by the Four H Clubs of Iowa for as long as three days.

Hey, they're not the Post Office, but they are a bunch of patriotic loonies with guns, just like you.
 
2012-08-15 01:38:20 PM

way south:
I have read that higher velocity rounds have a bad habit of wanting to boat tail and flip when they hit flesh, and the shock of all that force can outright destroy the bullet.


Bad habit? Heck, yaw and tumble are designed into modern bullets. So is fragmentation. That's why a 5.56 out of an AR is a better choice for home defense than a 230gr FMJ out of a 1911.
 
2012-08-15 02:11:22 PM
Big deal. Like other farkers said, I know people who go through a few hundred rounds in an afternoon training session, never mind the folks with class-III guns. So they buy 1-2K at a time for a better price.

/convert your full auto to 22LR for bargain shooting.
 
2012-08-15 02:15:20 PM

OriginalGamer: BostonEMT:

no - they are questions whose answers are classified, no *apparently* good reason.

/please feel free to give us the answers.

How about this: Get out of Moms basement, put away tinfoil hat, and if you ever spout 9/11 conspiracy crap to me in person, I will gladly take possession of your balls, and you won't be getting them back.


ah - the good 'ol internet tough girl... instead of actually answering a question - ones that i'm sure have very simple answers - you make threats and insults. very mature. Just admit you don't know or don't care. and if you DO know, feel free to post the answers and links to documentation here, or just continue covering up your insecurities with insults.

/I'm guessing you have psychological issues with admitting that you don't know something.
 
2012-08-15 02:19:24 PM
Phase 1 of NOAA's master plan is complete.

Phase 2?

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2012-08-15 02:23:46 PM

BostonEMT: /I wonder what would happen if Joe-Schmo tried to order 46,000 round of FMJs.


Joe would proably have them delivered. 46,000 PRVI brand 40S&W JHP would be $13,257.20 plus shipping from "Cheaper than Dirt" of Fort Worth, Texas. As government contracts go, this is pretty small beans.

NOAA's Office of Law Enforcement has 135 officers. That's 340 rounds per officer. Let's say they carry Glock 22's (I have no idea what they carry, but glocks are popular with law enforcement) with 4 magazines each that's 60 per officer just for carry, leaving 280 left over for practice, spares against loss or damage, etc. So if they wanted to practice every other month, say, that would allow 46.6 rounds per practice session, or three full magazines, for the year.

Not that they would be doing much practicing, as they only ordered 500 targets, total. If enough officers flake on training, you get to shoot up a whole target every three months!
 
2012-08-15 02:25:11 PM

BostonEMT: nytmare: BostonEMT: Big Dave: Headline: Conspiracy theorists

BostonEMT: skantea: I love a good conspiracy theory.
50+ surveillance videos of the plane hitting the pentagon
our president - who ran on a ticket of openness and transparency spending so much money to hide his school financial records?

Is this a joke?

no - they are questions whose answers are classified, no *apparently* good reason.

/please feel free to give us the answers.

So how much does it cost to "hide" your own school records?

You can use google just as easily as I can - and if your plan is to answer a question WITH a question, you're only ADDING to the conspiracy theory.


School records are private information not available to unauthorized third parties. Claiming that the President of the United States incurred any expense to "hide" records that are not legally available to the public demonstrates the claimant to be either ignorant or dishonest. As such, any individual who claims that the President of the United States has spent "millions" of dollars to "hide" his school financial records or any other private records related to his schooling either has not actually studied the subject that they are discussing, and thus is uninterested in being educated regarding the facts, or is willfully lying, and thus is uninterested in being educated regarding the facts.
 
2012-08-15 02:26:43 PM

dittybopper: Back when I hunted deer with a modern rifle, I switched bullets from 150 grain Winchester SilverTits to 165 grain Sierra GameKings. The reason was because the Winchester bullets kept "blowing up", ie., significantly fragmenting on impact.


Well, there's your problem...
 
2012-08-15 02:33:21 PM

BostonEMT: OriginalGamer: BostonEMT:

no - they are questions whose answers are classified, no *apparently* good reason.

/please feel free to give us the answers.

How about this: Get out of Moms basement, put away tinfoil hat, and if you ever spout 9/11 conspiracy crap to me in person, I will gladly take possession of your balls, and you won't be getting them back.

ah - the good 'ol internet tough girl... instead of actually answering a question - ones that i'm sure have very simple answers - you make threats and insults. very mature. Just admit you don't know or don't care. and if you DO know, feel free to post the answers and links to documentation here, or just continue covering up your insecurities with insults.

/I'm guessing you have psychological issues with admitting that you don't know something.


Wait, a 9/11 conspiracist is claiming I'm the one with psychological issues admitting lack of knowledge?

That's rich.

To answer your question, there is FAR more than enough released footage, eye witness accounts, and physical evidence to corroborate what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11.

You will now disregard this, and/or move the goal posts.
 
2012-08-15 02:55:07 PM
This thread is a kook magnet.
 
2012-08-15 03:01:38 PM
Hey, you got birthers on my gun nut thread!

/Reese's Fark.com
 
2012-08-15 04:50:05 PM

gameshowhost: This thread is a kook magnet.


What threads on Fark are not any more?

About the only threads you don't get a blame Obama or Bush nutbag in are Boobies and Geek / Entertainment threads. Hopefully it will get better after the election.
/doubt it
 
2012-08-15 06:17:32 PM
ourbigdumbmouth:
There has been an awful lot of ammo orders recently. DHS, now this.

I just wonder how this compares to previous years.

Maybe they're just stockpiling like the tea party are.

Yeah, and the Social Security Administration, too... Article HERE.

I recall when GWB was going to be leaving office, and the tin-foil hat crowd was saying that he would declare martial law, suspend elections, and God knows what all. I haven't heard the same about Obama yet... I wonder why?

And HOLLOWPOINT ammo? Cripes, that's for making sure you get a kill, rather than wounding the target. WTF is up with this?
 
2012-08-15 08:31:02 PM

Confabulat: If you ever listen to Alex Jones (everyone should sometimes, not too often, just to remind us how crazy our fellow Americans are), the common psychological refrain is OMG YOU HAVE WOKEN ME UP TO THE TRUTH I AM GOING TO MAKE ALL MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY SEE THIS THANK YOU FOR OPENING UP MY EYES.

This is 90% of the thinking of an Alex Jones listener. Then they go back to their engineering and banking jobs and look just like the rest of us while these nutty thoughts keep rattling around their brains. omg conspiracy


That should be a domain thingee. piss a lot of people off.

conspiracy.omg
gunnuts.omg
Just think of the mirth.
 
2012-08-15 08:51:11 PM

GeneralJim: And HOLLOWPOINT ammo? Cripes, that's for making sure you get a kill, rather than wounding the target. WTF is up with this?


It's not for target practice, that's for sure. And the DHS ordered almost a billion rounds.
 
2012-08-15 10:19:55 PM
Mehh, back in the 70's they printed gas rationing coupon books and never used them.
Zombie Killer bullets?
Considering the level of fearmongering these days, not out of line.
 
2012-08-15 11:35:31 PM

david_gaithersburg: Progressive Democrats tend to by their guns from the trunks of cars and shoot their own children while doing drive by shootings and holding up 7-11s. These creatures are highly respected in your bizarro world.



Yes nothing says respected in progressive circles like a gang member.

I'm sure all the gang members vote for Democrats, especially since it's been progressives who want to decriminalize drugs. I bet that would be great for their bottom line

/all criminals vote Republican, it keeps the money flowing in because they know their activities will keep staying illegal
 
2012-08-15 11:41:44 PM

GeneralJim: Yeah, and the Social Security Administration, too... Article HERE.

I recall when GWB was going to be leaving office, and the tin-foil hat crowd was saying that he would declare martial law, suspend elections, and God knows what all. I haven't heard the same about Obama yet... I wonder why?

And HOLLOWPOINT ammo? Cripes, that's for making sure you get a kill, rather than wounding the target. WTF is up with this?



You should quote infowars for your climate change debates as well.
 
2012-08-16 12:11:30 AM

dittybopper: Also, while I don't really have that much experience in indoor pistol range maintenance


Well, there's your problem. Might want to take care of that before you speak out about the subject.
 
2012-08-16 12:14:21 AM

Hacker_X: Total Federal government, no. Armed federal government member operating domestically? That is a different matter. Other the different divisions of DHS you have The FBI and US Marshals. Those are the two major ones for the feds. Most other stuff either is covered by DHS, doesn't operate inside the US (or isn't supposed to at least), or is a military branch.


Well, the NEA is issuing carry pistols now, so I dunno about that.
 
2012-08-16 12:17:21 AM

omeganuepsilon: Anti-gun people like to try to imply that the gun owner is sitting in his basement hand engraving anti-government slogans on each and every shell and then setting up some sort of shrine with the presidents eyes scratched out with a pen knife when they spit out that 6,000 is a lot of ammo for one guy to be buying.


Right? It's so much cheaper to have the anti-government slogans pre-engraved onto the bullets before you buy them. Much more efficient.
 
2012-08-16 01:25:47 AM

untaken_name: So our military can't use hollowpoint rounds but it's okay for the DHS to?


The US Military doesn't get to use hollow-point bullets because the Hague Convention of 1899 prohibits the use of ammunition explicitly designed to increase injury to a soldier during times of war--basically it's the same general basis why the use of poison gas in warfare is illegal. If you want to read the specific reg, it's here and is in part based on the Declaration of St. Petersburg in 1868 to establish basic laws of war.

Since we are a signatory to the Hague Convention of 1899 (and its successor documents including the Geneva Protocol to the Hague Convention), and since (per the Constitution) international treaties are the law of the land once ratified by Congress...no hollow-points for the Armed Forces, sorry, you cannot has unless you want the US to be charged with violations of human rights and the laws of war.

(Yes, as odd as a concept as it sounds, there are actually series of conventions that establish basic rules for legal acts in warfare; this is partly because in the Civil War and in European wars there WERE expanding-point bullets (that would take off someone's leg) and poison gas use which were seen as sufficiently horrific that their use in war was considered unnecessarily cruel. Yes, I know, this is a head-desker seeing as war is pretty much expressly designed to kill the shiat out of the other side until they roll over and cry uncle, but there you go; people HAVE tried to make laws of civility towards what may be seen as the ultimate in uncivil acts.)

As amazing as it sounds, no similar laws are in place prohibiting law enforcement from using hollow-points (in fact, they're preferred for the same reason some places including the UK mandate their use in deer hunting; hollow-points drop a target quicker). If you find this problematic, you may wish to have a friendly chat with your Congresscritter as to why law enforcement aren't subject to the same "rules of war" that soldiers are. :D (DIfficulty: At least some folks may throw up the Posse Comitatus Act as a counter-argument, and the friendly chat's success will depend on your Congresscritter's particular view of the Second Amendment and whether bans on any type of ammo for civilians are constitutional.)

Failing this, try proposing an international treaty prohibiting the manufacture or sale of hollow-point ammo (good luck with this one, especially since some countries mandate it for large game) or abolishing the Hague Conventions in regards to weapons of warfare (GOOD FARKING LUCK with this one, seeing as much of the legal basis for World War I was in fact Germany's blatant violations of the Hague Conventions and much of the legal theory for disarmament in general is ALSO based on the Conventions...including those international treaties that prohibit George American from having his own personal nuclear missile for home defense; you get rid of Hague, you also pretty much do away with the Geneva Conventions of 1924 which ban chemical and biological warfare).
 
2012-08-16 03:11:18 AM

Great Porn Dragon: The US Military doesn't get to use hollow-point bullets because the Hague Convention of 1899 prohibits the use of ammunition explicitly designed to increase injury to a soldier during times of war--basically it's the same general basis why the use of poison gas in warfare is illegal. If you want to read the specific reg, it's here and is in part based on the Declaration of St. Petersburg in 1868 to establish basic laws of war.


I know. Please note that I'm the one who made reference to the Hague Convention, and that I noted in that post that I am aware of the scope and that it does not apply to internal police matters. It would stand to reason that I know what the Hague Convention is.

Great Porn Dragon: As amazing as it sounds, no similar laws are in place prohibiting law enforcement from using hollow-points (in fact, they're preferred for the same reason some places including the UK mandate their use in deer hunting; hollow-points drop a target quicker). If you find this problematic, you may wish to have a friendly chat with your Congresscritter as to why law enforcement aren't subject to the same "rules of war" that soldiers are. :D (DIfficulty: At least some folks may throw up the Posse Comitatus Act as a counter-argument, and the friendly chat's success will depend on your Congresscritter's particular view of the Second Amendment and whether bans on any type of ammo for civilians are constitutional.)


I would have far more important things in that area to discuss with them (not the least of which is the blatant violations of the Possee Comitatus Act involving drones and the use of military personnel as LEOs domestically.)

Great Porn Dragon: Failing this, try proposing an international treaty prohibiting the manufacture or sale of hollow-point ammo (good luck with this one, especially since some countries mandate it for large game) or abolishing the Hague Conventions in regards to weapons of warfare (GOOD FARKING LUCK with this one, seeing as much of the legal basis for World War I was in fact Germany's blatant violations of the Hague Conventions and much of the legal theory for disarmament in general is ALSO based on the Conventions...including those international treaties that prohibit George American from having his own personal nuclear missile for home defense; you get rid of Hague, you also pretty much do away with the Geneva Conventions of 1924 which ban chemical and biological warfare).


What, from my post, gave you any inkling that I am against the existence of hollowpoint bullets or am an advocate for government intervention? Neither of those things is remotely true. I am also not against the existence or use of cocaine or alcohol, but I AM against their use by LEOs while on duty. Perhaps this will clarify my position a bit.
 
2012-08-16 03:13:19 AM

untaken_name: Hacker_X: Total Federal government, no. Armed federal government member operating domestically? That is a different matter. Other the different divisions of DHS you have The FBI and US Marshals. Those are the two major ones for the feds. Most other stuff either is covered by DHS, doesn't operate inside the US (or isn't supposed to at least), or is a military branch.

Well, the NEA is issuing carry pistols now, so I dunno about that.


The National Endowment for the Arts? Are hecklers really that much of a problem?
 
2012-08-16 07:50:18 AM

Hacker_X: untaken_name: Hacker_X: Total Federal government, no. Armed federal government member operating domestically? That is a different matter. Other the different divisions of DHS you have The FBI and US Marshals. Those are the two major ones for the feds. Most other stuff either is covered by DHS, doesn't operate inside the US (or isn't supposed to at least), or is a military branch.

Well, the NEA is issuing carry pistols now, so I dunno about that.

The National Endowment for the Arts? Are hecklers really that much of a problem?


I guess so. People who work for them can carry concealed weapons on planes, provided they're government-issue. Also, the ED, the DOE, and a bunch of other federal agencies you'd think wouldn't have any need to issue weapons.
 
2012-08-16 08:10:18 AM

way south: It may be a loophole in the Hague when a properly made Assault rifles FMJ round "just happens" to explode because it was traveling at twice the normal speed of a WW2 rifle round.


They don't do that. A .30'06 with a 150 grain bullet has a velocity of around 2,800 fps to 2,900 fps. The velocity of the current NATO 5.56mm round? About 3,100 fps, or roughly 200 to 300 fps faster, not really a significant difference.
 
2012-08-16 08:14:24 AM

way south: The old ways are the best.

/If I ever did have to put meat on the table I'd probably use my Mosin.


If I had to do it to survive? I'd probably use a deer snare. Fair chase goes out the window when your life is on the line.
 
2012-08-16 11:57:08 AM

dittybopper: way south: The old ways are the best.

/If I ever did have to put meat on the table I'd probably use my Mosin.

If I had to do it to survive? I'd probably use a deer snare. Fair chase goes out the window when your life is on the line.


Do you have plans for a Congresscritter snare?
 
2012-08-16 07:10:56 PM

GeneralJim: intelligent comment below: You should quote infowars for your climate change debates as well.
The problem is that airheads like yourself believe that if it doesn't appear in left-leaning media, it didn't happen. As an example, the LBGT activist who shot up the Washington headquarters of the Family Research Council. Very little coverage of THAT particular hate crime. So, yeah, you go ahead and pretend you're informed by DNC talking points...

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Um, I saw lots of coverage of that. It was on ABC, CBS, and NBC. Three major TV networks covering it at once. How does that equate to very little coverage?
 
2012-08-16 07:49:44 PM

Hacker_X: GeneralJim: intelligent comment below: You should quote infowars for your climate change debates as well.
The problem is that airheads like yourself believe that if it doesn't appear in left-leaning media, it didn't happen. As an example, the LBGT activist who shot up the Washington headquarters of the Family Research Council. Very little coverage of THAT particular hate crime. So, yeah, you go ahead and pretend you're informed by DNC talking points...

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Um, I saw lots of coverage of that. It was on ABC, CBS, and NBC. Three major TV networks covering it at once. How does that equate to very little coverage?



But that's just what they want you to think, it's all part of the conspiracy. Trust him, he knows what he's talking about, especially when he tells you global warming is another liberal conspiracy.
 
2012-08-17 11:48:38 AM
Did they order garlic too?
 
2012-08-17 08:57:37 PM
intelligent comment below:
Hacker_X: GeneralJim: intelligent comment below: You should quote infowars for your climate change debates as well.
The problem is that airheads like yourself believe that if it doesn't appear in left-leaning media, it didn't happen. As an example, the LBGT activist who shot up the Washington headquarters of the Family Research Council. Very little coverage of THAT particular hate crime. So, yeah, you go ahead and pretend you're informed by DNC talking points...

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Um, I saw lots of coverage of that. It was on ABC, CBS, and NBC. Three major TV networks covering it at once. How does that equate to very little coverage?

Really? You saw discussions of the shooter's LGBT connections, and the significance of the Chick-fil-A bag? Did they discuss it as a hate crime? Did they track down all of the shooters political connections? No.
 
2012-08-18 12:43:09 PM
Mebee, like that chemtrail thingie you fix w/ vinegar, shooting hollowpoints into that villian CO2 in the air will reverse Global Warming.
Get on it.
 
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