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(MSNBC)   We may have some tough cigarette laws, but Australia is flat-out banning logos on cigarette packs (some images are graphic)   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 181
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2012-08-14 11:50:04 PM  
As a former smoker of 23 years, I'm ok with this.
 
2012-08-15 12:12:22 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: As a former smoker of 23 years, I'm ok with this.


As a current smoker living in australia, I'm ok with this. Wait till the WTO protests start though.
 
2012-08-15 12:23:32 AM  
I think it is time to get in the cigarette case business in Australia.
 
2012-08-15 12:35:01 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: As a former smoker of 23 years, I'm ok with this.


24 years and me too.

Break free folks. You can do it and it's worth the struggle.
 
2012-08-15 12:47:42 AM  
Cigarette packaging in the US is pretty tame compared to some places. Last time I was in England their packs all had "SMOKING KILLS" written in bigass letters. None of this namby-pamby "The Surgeon General recommends" crap.
 
2012-08-15 01:04:57 AM  

feckingmorons: I think it is time to get in the cigarette case business in Australia.


Made from kangaroo scrotums?
 
2012-08-15 03:12:58 AM  
Didn't they try this in the U.S. not too long ago?
 
2012-08-15 03:23:59 AM  

timujin: Didn't they try this in the U.S. not too long ago?


Yeah, but the tobacco companies cried about their freedom of speech being infringed, iirc.
 
2012-08-15 03:51:04 AM  
Have there been any studies that have shown any of this works?
The graphic photos, removing logos, etc.

Hell, I think the images only make them seem cooler to teenagers.

Damn, look at Johnny, that package has a rotting mouth and he's still buying it.
He just doesn't care. He knows the rules and he's breaking them.

I can change him.
 
2012-08-15 03:56:09 AM  
If smoking is really that terrible that the government decides to mess with its packaging, why not just ban cigarettes/tobacco? What is the point of all the warnings and regulations if they still let the companies sell these "dangerous" items anyway? The message they are saying is "It's ok to do something that would kill yourself, as long as the people behind that thing can pay the government". At least that's how I see it.
 
2012-08-15 03:56:41 AM  

SJKebab: Mr. Fuzzypaws: As a former smoker of 23 years, I'm ok with this.

As a current smoker living in australia, I'm ok with this. Wait till the WTO protests start though.


I was stuck behind a complete plonker in Woollies the other day who made the check-out chick search through all of the packs of Longbeach Mild 40s (natch) to find one with a non-gruesome photo. I didn't catch what he got in the end but he most definitely didn't want the eyeball one.

/I'll give up when they my Stuyvo 25s hit $20. And as they cost $19.50 at my local late-night convenience store on Sunday, I reckon that will be pretty soon.
 
2012-08-15 03:56:53 AM  
Considering that the tobacco companies are already banned from any sort of advertising whatsoever and all of the stores have to keep all of their smokes and ashtrays locked away in a cupboard - what's the friggen' point in this?
 
2012-08-15 03:57:40 AM  
My wife is from Bali so I know a lot of Aussies, They all smoke but only when they drink so it's just two/three packs a day.

/Not kiddding
//hopefully it's just a (only on) holiday thing
 
2012-08-15 04:00:16 AM  
How about put pictures of naked fat people on them?
 
2012-08-15 04:01:40 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: [words]


I said "All of the/their" twice.

ENACT ALL OF THE USELESS FEEL-GOOD FASCIST LAWS!
 
2012-08-15 04:01:44 AM  
I hope they never win the war on smoking. I don't smoke and I hate being around smokers but it's clear that once smoking is illegal they are coming after alcohol.

/cold dead hands
 
2012-08-15 04:03:26 AM  

FunkOut: How about put pictures of naked fat people on them?


That's for Warcraft boxes.
 
2012-08-15 04:04:26 AM  
"Still they want the money/still they want the tax"

noisenarcs.com

"The biggest serial killer is a heart attack."
 
2012-08-15 04:05:03 AM  

fusillade762: Yeah, but the tobacco companies cried about their freedom of speech being infringed, iirc.


By which you mean they accurately and correctly defended their freedom of speech and you had better be damned glad they did.
 
2012-08-15 04:05:11 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Considering that the tobacco companies are already banned from any sort of advertising whatsoever and all of the stores have to keep all of their smokes and ashtrays locked away in a cupboard - what's the friggen' point in this?


Brands like Dunhill, Camel and Marlboro all carry their own distinctive image from the days before the ban on cigarette advertising. Take away the packaging and generations of marketing goes - if you'll forgive the pun - up in smoke. Dunhill has adapted somewhat with high end lighters, watches and colognes to keep its name out there, but unless chaps and 10 gallon hats come back in fashion in a big way, Marlboro is kinda screwed.
 
2012-08-15 04:06:23 AM  

steerforth: Longbeach Mild 40s


That said it all right there.

steerforth: /I'll give up when they my Stuyvo 25s hit $20. And as they cost $19.50 at my local late-night convenience store on Sunday, I reckon that will be pretty soon.


Yep, that's right. This is what we pay over here for the privilege to smoke. How smrt are we?
 
2012-08-15 04:06:33 AM  
What's wrong with this?

They're not raising the price; they're just showing smokers the results of smoking. Why do smokers hate seeing that so much?
 
2012-08-15 04:07:02 AM  

Phoenix_M: My wife is from Bali so I know a lot of Aussies, They all smoke but only when they drink so it's just two/three packs a day.

/Not kiddding
//hopefully it's just a (only on) holiday thing


Sounds like your wife is from Kuta.

It's the number one destination for the Great Australian Bogan.
 
2012-08-15 04:07:14 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Considering that the tobacco companies are already banned from any sort of advertising whatsoever and all of the stores have to keep all of their smokes and ashtrays locked away in a cupboard - what's the friggen' point in this?


A friend of mine just got back from a trip to Bulgaria with a packet of smokes that look a little like this:

dosmoking.com

She lit one up at the pub and our 19-year-old friend said they looked cool and she wanted to try one.
 
2012-08-15 04:07:23 AM  
The one with the eyeball is kinda cool.
 
2012-08-15 04:09:20 AM  
People sell illegal drugs in plain packaging. How's that working out for them again?
 
2012-08-15 04:11:14 AM  

farkityfarker: What's wrong with this?

They're not raising the price; they're just showing smokers the results of smoking. Why do smokers hate seeing that so much?


Does a McDondald's Hamberger come wrapped in a picture of a clogged arterty? Does chocolate come with a picture of a foot amputation due to diabetes?

We know these things are bad for us. We enjoy some of them anyway.
 
2012-08-15 04:11:39 AM  
i299.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-15 04:13:43 AM  

farkityfarker: They're not raising the price; they're just showing smokers the results of smoking. Why do smokers hate seeing that so much?


Our packets already have these things on them, though; the top flap and the entire back panel.

I'm actually not outraged, though. I just think these laws are a ridiculous waste of everyone's time and money.

/Why is Fark so anti-War on Drugs but pro-War on Smoking?
//And why do so many people think legalised pot is on the horizon when smoking is two morons away from being illegal?
 
2012-08-15 04:14:17 AM  

steerforth: Fluorescent Testicle: Considering that the tobacco companies are already banned from any sort of advertising whatsoever and all of the stores have to keep all of their smokes and ashtrays locked away in a cupboard - what's the friggen' point in this?

A friend of mine just got back from a trip to Bulgaria with a packet of smokes that look a little like this:

[dosmoking.com image 186x200]

She lit one up at the pub and our 19-year-old friend said they looked cool and she wanted to try one.


That looks like the right kind of packaging for some kind of feminine cleansing product.
 
2012-08-15 04:14:26 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Considering that the tobacco companies are already banned from any sort of advertising whatsoever and all of the stores have to keep all of their smokes and ashtrays locked away in a cupboard - what's the friggen' point in this?


I was wondering pretty much the same thing.

ParanoidAgnostic: I hope they never win the war on smoking. I don't smoke and I hate being around smokers but it's clear that once smoking is illegal they are coming after alcohol.

/cold dead hands


I fear after smoking, we're going to see these type of pics on fast food wrappers and junk food packages.

fusillade762: timujin: Didn't they try this in the U.S. not too long ago?

Yeah, but the tobacco companies cried about their freedom of speech being infringed, iirc.


Tobacco taxes is a cash cow so the U.S. Government isn't going to risk killing that cow with pictures of cancer and blind eyeballs. And I would rather keep smoking legal so the government can continue to tax it than for the government to go after fast food, sodas, porn, or some other 'sin' that they can tax to make up for the loss of tobacco tax revenue.
 
2012-08-15 04:15:41 AM  
They either need to ban smoking and booze or they need to SHUT THE fark UP and let people do what they're going to do providing it's legal... and I HATE cig smoke.

Freedom is bigger than one person.
 
2012-08-15 04:17:58 AM  
It's kind of getting to a ridiculous point where if I were the tobacco companies, I would say, "We call your bluff. Make them illegal. We beg of you. Illegalize cigarettes." I'm not a smoker, don't have a dog in this, but from what I can tell, governments are willing to regulate tobacco marketing but not actual sales of tobacco because they want the revenue. I would say to that government, "If this is what our products do: if our products cause cancer, if our products hurt children, if our products cause blindness, then what is your moral justification for allowing them to be sold?"

Now, granted, that's an odd position to take. But these tobacco companies have already diversified from what I can tell, and they probably can survive without cigarettes. I'm sure the short-term profits are extremely desirable, and they'll take them as long as they can, but I also think the government wants those revenues as long as they can get them. So as far as I can tell, this is a stalemate. Unless something wildly changes, I think both sides know tobacco use will fizzle out over time. Each side is just trying to get what they can as it fades away. I don't think that the tobacco companies are in any worse of position than the government when it comes to negotiating. Even if the tobacco companies asked the government to illegalize cigarettes, I don't think the smoking population would allow it to happen.

/They should also post pictures like these on prescription drug bottles that cause chronic health conditions.
 
2012-08-15 04:18:08 AM  
Let's make it fair. Tax fast food. Junk Food. Booze. Condoms. Coffee. Birth control. Morning after pill.


/buy your smokes online, folks, no taxes, fark them.
 
2012-08-15 04:19:19 AM  

zzrhardy: Phoenix_M: My wife is from Bali so I know a lot of Aussies, They all smoke but only when they drink so it's just two/three packs a day.

/Not kiddding
//hopefully it's just a (only on) holiday thing

Sounds like your wife is from Kuta.

It's the number one destination for the Great Australian Bogan.


Denpasar but close enough
 
2012-08-15 04:19:41 AM  

Great Janitor: I fear after smoking, we're going to see these type of pics on fast food wrappers and junk food packages.


Here in Australia they are already running anti-alcohol ads similar to the scare tactics we saw before the hyper-regulation of smoking started.
 
2012-08-15 04:20:32 AM  

RKade: They either need to ban smoking and booze or they need to SHUT THE fark UP and let people do what they're going to do providing it's legal... and I HATE cig smoke.

Freedom is bigger than one person.


What you FAIL to take into account is that smoking doesn't just "hurt" the smoker. Second-hand smoke kills people, too. When people are able to smoke without forcing everyone around them to do so, I (and most other anti-smokers) will be happy to let them kill themselves just as fast as they want to...
 
2012-08-15 04:22:24 AM  
Cigarette smoke smells like burning garbage. Sometimes burning camel dung dipped in creosote.

Pipe tobacco smells fragrant and sweet.
 
2012-08-15 04:22:44 AM  
Another day that I'm proud to be an Australian!

Big Tobacco are evil companies that happily peddle death to children, Our government stood up for the CHILDREN and this will help save lives.

Australia, the best damn country in the world!
Regulations, Labor Unions, Universal Health care and no republicans, its like paradise on earth!
 
2012-08-15 04:23:10 AM  

farkityfarker: What's wrong with this?

They're not raising the price; they're just showing smokers the results of smoking. Why do smokers hate seeing that so much?


Brands like Philip Morris and BAT have invested large sums of money into their trademarks and logos. It's their way of differentiating the brands and allows them to sell pretty much the same cigarettes under different marketing.

Tobacco plain packaging eliminates the ability for the tobacco companies to differentiate, and also reduces their ability to brand different types of cigarettes. Uruguay, for example, who is implementing less stringent regulation, doesn't allow for the the Red/Gold/Green branding that Philip Morris uses for Marlboro. Australia's legislation takes it a step farther and doesn't even allow the use of a logo.

Viewed in isolation, this would be well within Australia's powers to do. Unfortunately, Australia has also signed international treaties with other countries that allow for bilateral investment. Part of that protection extends to trademarks. Australia's currently being sued by Philip Morris's Hong Kong branch for violation of those protections. And that's just for trademarks. If Australia went full bore and banned cigarettes altogether, they'd be facing billions of dollars in lawsuits.

The thing is, Philip Morris, BAT, and other tobacco companies have had this plan of protecting their trademarks through international claims since Canada first proposed plain packaging legislation in the 1990s. Big Tobacco is ready for this, and there's unfortunately very little that states can do under the current international framework.
 
2012-08-15 04:23:18 AM  
It doesn't matter what it says on the package..

i199.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-15 04:23:39 AM  

FunkOut: steerforth: Fluorescent Testicle: Considering that the tobacco companies are already banned from any sort of advertising whatsoever and all of the stores have to keep all of their smokes and ashtrays locked away in a cupboard - what's the friggen' point in this?

A friend of mine just got back from a trip to Bulgaria with a packet of smokes that look a little like this:

[dosmoking.com image 186x200]

She lit one up at the pub and our 19-year-old friend said they looked cool and she wanted to try one.

That looks like the right kind of packaging for some kind of feminine cleansing product.


Yep. Do a GIS for "slim cigarettes" and it's farking tampon city.
 
2012-08-15 04:24:11 AM  
I wonder what would happen if RJR and Phillip Morris and the other tobbaco companies decided to stop selliing to the country. Good luck with the crime you just caused yourselves. Al Capone would be proud.
 
2012-08-15 04:25:00 AM  

steerforth: FunkOut: steerforth: Fluorescent Testicle: Considering that the tobacco companies are already banned from any sort of advertising whatsoever and all of the stores have to keep all of their smokes and ashtrays locked away in a cupboard - what's the friggen' point in this?

A friend of mine just got back from a trip to Bulgaria with a packet of smokes that look a little like this:

[dosmoking.com image 186x200]

She lit one up at the pub and our 19-year-old friend said they looked cool and she wanted to try one.

That looks like the right kind of packaging for some kind of feminine cleansing product.

Yep. Do a GIS for "slim cigarettes" and it's farking tampon city.


I can imagine some drunk woman at some trying to light a tampon while experiencing a nicotine tingle elsewhere.
 
2012-08-15 04:27:12 AM  
The tax revenue from smoking is supposed to go into the healthcare system, well that's the line anyway.

I've yet to be bothered by second hand alcohol...
 
2012-08-15 04:28:15 AM  

smadge1:
I've yet to be bothered by second hand alcohol...



Until a drunk smashes into you when you're driving. Does that count?
 
2012-08-15 04:28:52 AM  

Starfurry: Another day that I'm proud to be an Australian! Big Tobacco are evil companies that happily peddle death to children, Our government stood up for the CHILDREN and this will help save lives.


First they came for the marijuana, and you didn't speak out because you weren't a pot smoker.

Then they came for the cigarettes, and you didn't speak out because you weren't a tobacco smoker.

Then they came for the alcohol, and...
 
2012-08-15 04:30:38 AM  

FunkOut: steerforth: FunkOut: steerforth: Fluorescent Testicle: Considering that the tobacco companies are already banned from any sort of advertising whatsoever and all of the stores have to keep all of their smokes and ashtrays locked away in a cupboard - what's the friggen' point in this?

A friend of mine just got back from a trip to Bulgaria with a packet of smokes that look a little like this:

[dosmoking.com image 186x200]

She lit one up at the pub and our 19-year-old friend said they looked cool and she wanted to try one.

That looks like the right kind of packaging for some kind of feminine cleansing product.

Yep. Do a GIS for "slim cigarettes" and it's farking tampon city.

I can imagine some drunk woman at some trying to light a tampon while experiencing a nicotine tingle elsewhere.


Yeah, that was me, Sat'day night.
 
2012-08-15 04:30:45 AM  

smadge1: The tax revenue from smoking is supposed to go into the healthcare system, well that's the line anyway.

I've yet to be bothered by second hand alcohol...


Yeah mate, that second hand alcohol comes in the form of a speeding car crashing into your wife while she is walking your 5 year old daughter

but that's fine, I never really liked your daughter :)
 
2012-08-15 04:35:19 AM  

RKade: They either need to ban smoking and booze or they need to SHUT THE fark UP and let people do what they're going to do providing it's legal... and I HATE cig smoke.

Freedom is bigger than one person.


My father smoked when I was I kid, I had all sorts of respiratory problems. Asthma, every cold turned into bronchitis, I remember the steam baths that had to be run when I had croup. I was a panicky toddler, desperate to breathe. All those problems quickly disappeared when he gave up smoking.

I was thrilled when smoking in bars was outlawed. It was horrible waking up with a raspy dry mouth and hair reeking of stale smoke.
 
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