gimmegimme: Somacandra: Do you know why no one sings Hanukkah songs in school? Not because they're Jewish. But because they read like Ronnie James Dio lyrics:Check out this rockin' Mormon song. It's awesome because they're singing about going to a different planet. And the last several verses are extremely brainwashy.1. If you could hie to KolobIn the twinkling of an eye,And then continue onwardWith that same speed to fly,Do you think that you could ever,Through all eternity,Find out the generationWhere Gods began to be?2. Or see the grand beginning,Where space did not extend?Or view the last creation,Where Gods and matter end?Methinks the Spirit whispers,"No man has found 'pure space,'Nor seen the outside curtains,Where nothing has a place."3. The works of God continue,And worlds and lives abound;Improvement and progressionHave one eternal round.There is no end to matter;There is no end to space;There is no end to spirit;There is no end to race.4. There is no end to virtue;There is no end to might;There is no end to wisdom;There is no end to light.There is no end to union;There is no end to youth;There is no end to priesthood;There is no end to truth.5. There is no end to glory;There is no end to love;There is no end to being;There is no death above.There is no end to glory;There is no end to love;There is no end to being;There is no death above.
EvilEgg: There is a huge difference between Handel Messiah or Coltrane's A Love Supreme and whatever crap some Christian Rock group put out.Teaching the former is fine, the latter is indoctrination. I just don't know where that line is.
Dansker: I have a feeling I'm out of milk, but I don't know, and I can't prove it where I am right now.
Farktastic: PsiChick: Rufus Lee King: So, kids can't sing songs with any sort of religious references any more? And a lot of you would support that concept. Crypto-Nazis, take off your masks. I can still see you.Okay. Let's have them sing This lovely song. It can be sung as a round, and a wonderful commenter added more verses, which means the kids get more than that 'row row row your boat' stuff, which, let's be honest, is just the beginner's version of that hell known as singing rounds:Ladies spin your circle bright,Weave your web of dark and light,Earth, Air, Fire and Water,Bind us as one.Maiden spin your circle white,Weave your web of glowing light,Stag, hawk, bear and wolf,Bind us as one.Mother spin your circle red,Weave your web of glowing thread,Earth, Air, Fire and Water,Bind us as one.Wise One spin your circle black,Weave the wisdom that we lack,Moonlight, sunlight, starlight, shimmer,Bind us as one.Beautiful, no? And so educational!This is magnitudes better than farking "jesus loves me," or that idiot whole world in his hands song. I spent some time listening to some world music I hadn't heard before last week. All easy to play for an elementary student and from an educational standpoint would teach rhythm and music theory so much better than sunday school songs. Plus, kids can play simple instruments like blocks along to the music.Educators who use sunday school songs instead are being lazy and bigoted.
Rufus Lee King: So, kids can't sing songs with any sort of religious references any more? And a lot of you would support that concept. Crypto-Nazis, take off your masks. I can still see you.
MythDragon: It's predatory to conduct this toward a young, captive audience who would be truant if they didn't attend public schoolBut songs about how much you love the country, Obama, your school, your sports team, or songs about a man being eaten by a boa constrictor while he describes the painful process in exacting detail (♫I'm being eaten by a boa constrictor and I don't like one bit! Oh no, he's eaten my toe, Oh gee, it's up to my knee♪ - I remember singing this in 2nd grade) is okay?I'm not overly religious. I haven't been to church in 25 years. But I really see no problem with religious songs. Some are really quite good. Like Hallelujah by Jeff Buckley. It's a really sweet song. As long as you do a variety, who cares if you have a couple religious songs in there? If you are approaching it simply from a musical standpoint, there is no indoctrination going on. In English Lit in 12th grade we looked at some stories from the bible. It wasn't presented as 'you must believe this' it was done strictly from a literary perspective. No one freaked out. One day we were reading about some guy building an ark to save his family from a flood, the next we read about some guy taking ten years to get home after ransacking Troy and meeting hooking up with some sea goddess.Atheists can be just as bad as Christians. They both try and shove doctrine down your throat. Agnostics on the other hand are like "meh." and leave people in peace.School says to kids "God created everything and if you don't believe that yo will go to hell" = wrong.School says to kids "Today we have a song about this hippy who could walk on water and magic up some fish chowder" = okay.Fundies on both sides, give it a damn rest.
Ryan2065: Wait, since when was Now I Lay Me Down To Sleep a song? It's a prayer:Now I lay me down to sleepI pray the Lord my soul to keepAnd if I die before I wakeI pray the Lord my soul to takeI'm not against singing songs in school that are religious, but come on, you can't just put you prayers to music to get them in schools.
Charlie Freak: For whatever it's worth, I'm agnostic and it bothers me when a song sung in a school choir can't mention Jesus or even Santa (and many can't). There are LOADS of wonderful, historic works that get tossed completely aside and it does nothing to further music.
gimmegimme: I'm shocked...SHOCKED that the Fox News story is short on details. Even though I'm the biggest atheist who ever atheisted, I do think that context is important. High school chorus kids can learn a LOT by singing Handel's Messiah. That's fine. Shoot, you could really impress me and perform Mozart's Requiem or the Ninth. If this school is putting together a program of Negro spirituals for Black History Month...fine.However, this is an elementary school. I really don't think there's anything you can learn from "He's got the whole world in his hands" that you can't learn from any song that isn't referring to a specific deity.And Billy Donahue, King of Fake Outrage, please stop patronizing us by claiming that "Michael, Row Your Boat Ashore" doesn't refer to a specific deity.
BarkingUnicorn: "He's Got The Whole World In His Hands" isn't a religious song, is it? I thought it was an Allstate Insurance jingle.
Ryan2065: ecmoRandomNumbers: As a music teacher and an atheist...This is farking stupid. Religious music is an inextricable part of any study of music, music history, or repertoire.Alright music teacher, exactly what lessons are the elementary school kids learning from a song with these lyrics that they couldn't get from any other number of children's songs?Now I lay me down to sleepI pray the Lord my soul to keepIf I should die before I wakeI pray the Lord my soul to takeKeep me safe throughout the nightAnd wake me with the morning light
ecmoRandomNumbers: As a music teacher and an atheist...This is farking stupid. Religious music is an inextricable part of any study of music, music history, or repertoire.
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