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(Fox News)   Yet another school district decides that it is in their best interest to waste a boat load of money losing a court battle. This time they want to keep religious songs in music class because it isn't really praying if you're singing   (foxnews.com) divider line 21
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2012-08-15 06:01:08 AM
3 votes:

gimmegimme: Somacandra: Do you know why no one sings Hanukkah songs in school? Not because they're Jewish. But because they read like Ronnie James Dio lyrics:

Check out this rockin' Mormon song. It's awesome because they're singing about going to a different planet. And the last several verses are extremely brainwashy.

1. If you could hie to Kolob
In the twinkling of an eye,
And then continue onward
With that same speed to fly,
Do you think that you could ever,
Through all eternity,
Find out the generation
Where Gods began to be?

2. Or see the grand beginning,
Where space did not extend?
Or view the last creation,
Where Gods and matter end?
Methinks the Spirit whispers,
"No man has found 'pure space,'
Nor seen the outside curtains,
Where nothing has a place."

3. The works of God continue,
And worlds and lives abound;
Improvement and progression
Have one eternal round.
There is no end to matter;
There is no end to space;
There is no end to spirit;
There is no end to race.

4. There is no end to virtue;
There is no end to might;
There is no end to wisdom;
There is no end to light.
There is no end to union;
There is no end to youth;
There is no end to priesthood;
There is no end to truth.

5. There is no end to glory;
There is no end to love;
There is no end to being;
There is no death above.
There is no end to glory;
There is no end to love;
There is no end to being;
There is no death above.


Burma-Shave!
2012-08-15 03:18:51 AM
3 votes:
Do you know why no one sings Hanukkah songs in school? Not because they're Jewish. But because they read like Ronnie James Dio lyrics:

"To sever the towering cypress
sought the Aggagite, son of Hammedatha,
But it became [a snare and] a stumbling block to him
and his arrogance was stilled.
The head of the Benjaminite You lifted
and the enemy, his name You obliterated
His numerous progeny - his possessions -
on the gallows You hanged.


"Bare Your Holy arm
and hasten the End for salvation -
Avenge the vengeance of Your servants' blood
from the wicked nation.
For the triumph is too long delayed for us,
and there is no end to days of evil,
Repel the Red One in the nethermost shadow
and establish for us the seven shepherds.
"

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2012-08-15 12:53:37 AM
3 votes:
"He's Got The Whole World In His Hands" isn't a religious song, is it? I thought it was an Allstate Insurance jingle.
2012-08-15 07:42:25 AM
2 votes:
"Soft Kitty" is actually a hymn to Ceiling Cat.
2012-08-15 07:25:54 AM
2 votes:
I don't know any Muslim songs except Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, and Allah only shows up there as the other reindeer who used to laugh and call him names.
2012-08-15 02:25:32 AM
2 votes:

EvilEgg: There is a huge difference between Handel Messiah or Coltrane's A Love Supreme and whatever crap some Christian Rock group put out.

Teaching the former is fine, the latter is indoctrination. I just don't know where that line is.


You know what, I wouldn't mind if some elementary school wanted to have their chorus sing the beautiful songs of Faith + 1:

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"I need you in my life, Jesus
I can't live without you, Jesus.
And I just want to feel you deep inside me, Jesus."

"The body of Christ, sleek swimmer's body all muscled up and toned...
The body of Christ, oh, what a body, I wish I could call it my own..."

"I want to get down on my knees and start pleasing Jesus.
I wanna feel his salvation all over my face..."
2012-08-15 12:44:29 PM
1 votes:

Dansker: I have a feeling I'm out of milk, but I don't know, and I can't prove it where I am right now.


There's an app for that.
2012-08-15 12:05:10 PM
1 votes:

Farktastic: PsiChick: Rufus Lee King: So, kids can't sing songs with any sort of religious references any more? And a lot of you would support that concept. Crypto-Nazis, take off your masks. I can still see you.

Okay. Let's have them sing This lovely song. It can be sung as a round, and a wonderful commenter added more verses, which means the kids get more than that 'row row row your boat' stuff, which, let's be honest, is just the beginner's version of that hell known as singing rounds:

Ladies spin your circle bright,
Weave your web of dark and light,
Earth, Air, Fire and Water,
Bind us as one.

Maiden spin your circle white,
Weave your web of glowing light,
Stag, hawk, bear and wolf,
Bind us as one.

Mother spin your circle red,
Weave your web of glowing thread,
Earth, Air, Fire and Water,
Bind us as one.

Wise One spin your circle black,
Weave the wisdom that we lack,
Moonlight, sunlight, starlight, shimmer,
Bind us as one.

Beautiful, no? And so educational!

This is magnitudes better than farking "jesus loves me," or that idiot whole world in his hands song. I spent some time listening to some world music I hadn't heard before last week. All easy to play for an elementary student and from an educational standpoint would teach rhythm and music theory so much better than sunday school songs. Plus, kids can play simple instruments like blocks along to the music.

Educators who use sunday school songs instead are being lazy and bigoted.


I don't appreciate you people trying to send my child to hell by exposing him to witchcraft!
2012-08-15 11:51:47 AM
1 votes:

Rufus Lee King: So, kids can't sing songs with any sort of religious references any more? And a lot of you would support that concept. Crypto-Nazis, take off your masks. I can still see you.


Okay. Let's have them sing This lovely song. It can be sung as a round, and a wonderful commenter added more verses, which means the kids get more than that 'row row row your boat' stuff, which, let's be honest, is just the beginner's version of that hell known as singing rounds:

Ladies spin your circle bright,
Weave your web of dark and light,
Earth, Air, Fire and Water,
Bind us as one.

Maiden spin your circle white,
Weave your web of glowing light,
Stag, hawk, bear and wolf,
Bind us as one.

Mother spin your circle red,
Weave your web of glowing thread,
Earth, Air, Fire and Water,
Bind us as one.

Wise One spin your circle black,
Weave the wisdom that we lack,
Moonlight, sunlight, starlight, shimmer,
Bind us as one.


Beautiful, no? And so educational!
2012-08-15 08:36:19 AM
1 votes:
This would never stand a chance with the Supreme Court. They [FFRF] wants to censor the expressions of Christianity -- and they only go after the Christians, not the Jews or the Muslims.

I don't know, I remember when they went after that one school for singing "Achmed Row The Dhow Ashore"
2012-08-15 08:04:06 AM
1 votes:
Barack, Hussein, Obama.... ya ya ya!
2012-08-15 07:53:11 AM
1 votes:

MythDragon: It's predatory to conduct this toward a young, captive audience who would be truant if they didn't attend public school

But songs about how much you love the country, Obama, your school, your sports team, or songs about a man being eaten by a boa constrictor while he describes the painful process in exacting detail (♫I'm being eaten by a boa constrictor and I don't like one bit! Oh no, he's eaten my toe, Oh gee, it's up to my knee♪ - I remember singing this in 2nd grade) is okay?

I'm not overly religious. I haven't been to church in 25 years. But I really see no problem with religious songs. Some are really quite good. Like Hallelujah by Jeff Buckley. It's a really sweet song. As long as you do a variety, who cares if you have a couple religious songs in there? If you are approaching it simply from a musical standpoint, there is no indoctrination going on. In English Lit in 12th grade we looked at some stories from the bible. It wasn't presented as 'you must believe this' it was done strictly from a literary perspective. No one freaked out. One day we were reading about some guy building an ark to save his family from a flood, the next we read about some guy taking ten years to get home after ransacking Troy and meeting hooking up with some sea goddess.

Atheists can be just as bad as Christians. They both try and shove doctrine down your throat. Agnostics on the other hand are like "meh." and leave people in peace.

School says to kids "God created everything and if you don't believe that yo will go to hell" = wrong.
School says to kids "Today we have a song about this hippy who could walk on water and magic up some fish chowder" = okay.

Fundies on both sides, give it a damn rest.


Silence, you. Your rational common sense does not benefit the political agendas of either group, making you more threatening then they are to each other.
2012-08-15 07:51:27 AM
1 votes:
Lawyers love me this I know.
their accountants tell me so.
Stupid ones that like to baiotch
end up poor but they are rich.

Yes, lawyers love me.
Yes, lawyers love me.
Yes, lawyers love me.
Their accountants told me so.
2012-08-15 07:28:27 AM
1 votes:

Ryan2065: Wait, since when was Now I Lay Me Down To Sleep a song? It's a prayer:

Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the Lord my soul to keep
And if I die before I wake
I pray the Lord my soul to take

I'm not against singing songs in school that are religious, but come on, you can't just put you prayers to music to get them in schools.


So Metallica is banned too?
2012-08-15 07:24:41 AM
1 votes:

Charlie Freak: For whatever it's worth, I'm agnostic and it bothers me when a song sung in a school choir can't mention Jesus or even Santa (and many can't). There are LOADS of wonderful, historic works that get tossed completely aside and it does nothing to further music.


As a non-Christian, I find it to be extremely insulting to be inundated every winter with songs about Frosty the Snowman and a reindeer with a genetic defect. There Christmas songs. I know they're Christmas songs; you know they're Christmas songs. Can we drop the pretense and have something with some artistic merit like "Angels We Have Heard On High," rather than something that makes me want to bash my ears with a hammer every time I hear it?
2012-08-15 07:18:56 AM
1 votes:
I'm ok with a big bunch of bullies...I mean lawyers threatening these nearly bankrupt school districts to purge even the slightest Christian reference and all non commercial holidays and events. I think big money from outside groups or even out of state groups should constantly threaten schools, those who run it and those vile teachers to conform, go bankrupt or get out!
2012-08-15 05:37:36 AM
1 votes:
I am an atheist and I have no problem with religious songs in schools. They aren't going to affect the kids any more then singing Folsom Prison Blues will make you 'shoot a man in Reno, just to watch him die'.
2012-08-15 05:35:08 AM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: I'm shocked...SHOCKED that the Fox News story is short on details. Even though I'm the biggest atheist who ever atheisted, I do think that context is important. High school chorus kids can learn a LOT by singing Handel's Messiah. That's fine. Shoot, you could really impress me and perform Mozart's Requiem or the Ninth. If this school is putting together a program of Negro spirituals for Black History Month...fine.

However, this is an elementary school. I really don't think there's anything you can learn from "He's got the whole world in his hands" that you can't learn from any song that isn't referring to a specific deity.

And Billy Donahue, King of Fake Outrage, please stop patronizing us by claiming that "Michael, Row Your Boat Ashore" doesn't refer to a specific deity.


He's got the whole world in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands.

He's got my brothers and my sisters in His hands,
He's got my brothers and my sisters in His hands,
He's got my brothers and my sisters in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands.

He's got the sun and the rain in His hands,
He's got the moon and the stars in His hands,
He's got the wind and the clouds in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands.

He's got the rivers and the mountains in His hands,
He's got the oceans and the seas in His hands,
He's got you and he's got me in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands.

He's got everybody here in His hands,
He's got everybody there in His hands,
He's got everybody everywhere in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands.


Where is the specific diety you speak of? Couldnt they be talking about Lord Obama himself?
2012-08-15 03:26:10 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: "He's Got The Whole World In His Hands" isn't a religious song, is it? I thought it was an Allstate Insurance jingle.


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2012-08-15 01:59:45 AM
1 votes:

Ryan2065: ecmoRandomNumbers: As a music teacher and an atheist...

This is farking stupid. Religious music is an inextricable part of any study of music, music history, or repertoire.

Alright music teacher, exactly what lessons are the elementary school kids learning from a song with these lyrics that they couldn't get from any other number of children's songs?

Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the Lord my soul to keep
If I should die before I wake
I pray the Lord my soul to take
Keep me safe throughout the night
And wake me with the morning light


Maybe they're performing the John Cage arrangement.
2012-08-15 01:52:36 AM
1 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: As a music teacher and an atheist...

This is farking stupid. Religious music is an inextricable part of any study of music, music history, or repertoire.


As an appreciator of music and an atheist, I completely agree. This shiat is bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S.

/I never said I appreciated good music
 
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