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2012-08-15 10:56:27 AM
As much as I like old Gospel songs, I don't see why they need religious songs in standard music education. Of course, it's not against my religion to sing 'em, but it is for some people. And others are simply opposed. So let them be exempted from that part, if you feel so strongly that it has to be included. And while you're at it, include traditional tunes from other religions (I don't know - maybe music for buddhist meditation or something), so you can really have some education.
 
2012-08-15 10:57:05 AM
Which means, conversely, that a bunch of stick-up-their ass twits campaigned to remove any religous songs from school, cause it's so offensive to hear.



/atheist- you can sing and pray all you want
 
2012-08-15 11:04:37 AM
I am fine with this as long as the songs feature EVERY religion, not just christianity. My main problem is when people say `religious` they actually mean `christian`

lets see

FTA The possibly-religious songs include "Thank You for the World So Sweet," which says "Thank you God for everything," "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep," which says "I pray the Lord my soul to keep," "Michael Row your Boat Ashore" and "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands."

thank you for the world is based on a creator religion. Same with thank you god for everything. Now I lay me down mentions souls, another christian theme. Micheal is a bible character and the final one specifically says hands not noodles, trunk or tentacles and was sung to me in christian religious studies.

Where are the non-christian songs?

/should we get the kids to sing `A is for Aryan` as well?
 
2012-08-15 11:05:49 AM

STRYPERSWINE: "The whole point to being an atheist is not giving a crap!"
-atheist Adam Carolla on militant atheism


I don't "give a crap" because I'm an atheist. I "give a crap" because I'm a humanist and I'm sick of theocrats farking up my world and the world I'm leaving to my children.
 
2012-08-15 11:07:45 AM

NetOwl: Beethoven religious references outside of the final movement of the 9th


Well, there was the whole Mass in D thing. If you haven't heard it, you should. If you ever saw the movie Immortal Beloved, the Kyrie is playing during the funeral scene.
 
2012-08-15 11:11:20 AM
Our money still says "In God We Trust", and they are worried about what song kids are singing in schools?
 
2012-08-15 11:13:23 AM

psyon: Our money still says "In God We Trust", and they are worried about what song kids are singing in schools?


If you've ever tried to hum a few bills, you'd know why.
 
2012-08-15 11:42:49 AM
I'm a middle school choir director in a public school, and an atheist. I've programmed religious pieces before, and will continue to do so. Religious texts make up a vast majority of all available choir music, and I know of no other teacher that would feel they can limit over half of their subject and still give kids a full-rounded education. On the other hand, I'm partial to "burying" such things into foreign texts - Latin is lovely to sing in. I also shy away from modern "praise choir" music - It's usually hokey, but give me a good Robert deCormier or Moses Hogan arrangement of a spiritual any day.

What I tell the kids (I don't mention my atheism): "We are learning this for the music - we will discuss the text at times, and what it means, because the way the music is structured is deeply linked to the text, as is all choir music. Where I would cross a line is to say "That's what it means, and that's what you should believe." If I say that, I deserve to be fired."
 
2012-08-15 11:45:05 AM
so, if and when i have a kid in this school, they'll sing slayer?

/that would be awesome
 
2012-08-15 11:51:47 AM

Rufus Lee King: So, kids can't sing songs with any sort of religious references any more? And a lot of you would support that concept. Crypto-Nazis, take off your masks. I can still see you.


Okay. Let's have them sing This lovely song. It can be sung as a round, and a wonderful commenter added more verses, which means the kids get more than that 'row row row your boat' stuff, which, let's be honest, is just the beginner's version of that hell known as singing rounds:

Ladies spin your circle bright,
Weave your web of dark and light,
Earth, Air, Fire and Water,
Bind us as one.

Maiden spin your circle white,
Weave your web of glowing light,
Stag, hawk, bear and wolf,
Bind us as one.

Mother spin your circle red,
Weave your web of glowing thread,
Earth, Air, Fire and Water,
Bind us as one.

Wise One spin your circle black,
Weave the wisdom that we lack,
Moonlight, sunlight, starlight, shimmer,
Bind us as one.


Beautiful, no? And so educational!
 
2012-08-15 11:56:21 AM
fark all these religious nuts that think that their rights starts where mine end.
 
2012-08-15 11:56:49 AM
Wow. Farkers amaze me. No one is saying we need to ignore all allusions to religion in the historical record, or insisting that we keep our children from learning about them in any context whatsoever. No one's disparaging Beethoven, either. But folks, these are the exact songs that you learn when you're four years old in Sunday school. (If you're lucky enough to have that experience.) They may as well have them singing "Jesus Loves Me," (or whatever the name of that damned song is) while they're at it.

I'm not saying it isn't a fine line, or that I know just where that line is, but it's pretty f*cking far from singing "Thank You For The World So Sweet" in a public school.

Also, many agnostics do indeed believe in a "higher power," and will tell you as much. It's the nature of that entity which they claim no knowledge of.

/It's not "Is our children learning?," so much as "WHAT is our children learning?"
//slashies
 
2012-08-15 11:57:23 AM

I sound fat: gimmegimme: I'm shocked...SHOCKED that the Fox News story is short on details. Even though I'm the biggest atheist who ever atheisted, I do think that context is important. High school chorus kids can learn a LOT by singing Handel's Messiah. That's fine. Shoot, you could really impress me and perform Mozart's Requiem or the Ninth. If this school is putting together a program of Negro spirituals for Black History Month...fine.

However, this is an elementary school. I really don't think there's anything you can learn from "He's got the whole world in his hands" that you can't learn from any song that isn't referring to a specific deity.

And Billy Donahue, King of Fake Outrage, please stop patronizing us by claiming that "Michael, Row Your Boat Ashore" doesn't refer to a specific deity.

He's got the whole world in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands.

He's got my brothers and my sisters in His hands,
He's got my brothers and my sisters in His hands,
He's got my brothers and my sisters in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands.

He's got the sun and the rain in His hands,
He's got the moon and the stars in His hands,
He's got the wind and the clouds in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands.

He's got the rivers and the mountains in His hands,
He's got the oceans and the seas in His hands,
He's got you and he's got me in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands.

He's got everybody here in His hands,
He's got everybody there in His hands,
He's got everybody everywhere in His hands,
He's got the whole world in His hands.


Where is the specific diety you speak of? Couldnt they be talking about Lord Obama himself?


"He" sounds very touchy feely... do we really want "him" around our kids?
 
2012-08-15 11:58:44 AM

PsiChick: Rufus Lee King: So, kids can't sing songs with any sort of religious references any more? And a lot of you would support that concept. Crypto-Nazis, take off your masks. I can still see you.

Okay. Let's have them sing This lovely song. It can be sung as a round, and a wonderful commenter added more verses, which means the kids get more than that 'row row row your boat' stuff, which, let's be honest, is just the beginner's version of that hell known as singing rounds:

Ladies spin your circle bright,
Weave your web of dark and light,
Earth, Air, Fire and Water,
Bind us as one.

Maiden spin your circle white,
Weave your web of glowing light,
Stag, hawk, bear and wolf,
Bind us as one.

Mother spin your circle red,
Weave your web of glowing thread,
Earth, Air, Fire and Water,
Bind us as one.

Wise One spin your circle black,
Weave the wisdom that we lack,
Moonlight, sunlight, starlight, shimmer,
Bind us as one.

Beautiful, no? And so educational!


This is magnitudes better than farking "jesus loves me," or that idiot whole world in his hands song. I spent some time listening to some world music I hadn't heard before last week. All easy to play for an elementary student and from an educational standpoint would teach rhythm and music theory so much better than sunday school songs. Plus, kids can play simple instruments like blocks along to the music.

Educators who use sunday school songs instead are being lazy and bigoted.
 
2012-08-15 12:04:52 PM

slayer199: That's a different question. If you're asking "Do you believe in a supreme being?", the answer is difficult to quantify because I can't believe or disbelieve what I don't know.


I see. Maybe I know, and can prove it.
As a matter of fact, I hold here in my hand solid, irrefutable, conclusive proof about the existense of gods. I'd show it to you, but I don't want to, and you can't prove I don't, so you don't know.
Do you believe I do?

The answer to that question is probably easier to quantify if I answered like this: based on my current knowledge the answer is no, but I can't rule it out either.

The question is "Do you believe in gods?", so that makes you just like an atheist. Except I don't feel a need to state the bleedingly obvious: that I can't rule it out.


f you're asking if I align with any religion (or atheism), the answer would be a definitive no. Why? Because those require belief or faith in the unprovable existence or non-existence of a god. If you're asking me if a supreme being exists, the answer is I don't know. The point is that I really have no feelings on the on "belief" of a supreme being because it's a question that I intellectually cannot answer.

Hope that clarifies things.


Some things, while leaving me baffled about others.
Why don't you have feelings about things you can't intellectually prove? That doesn't sound quite human.
And why do you keep reducing the question to one supreme being? Sounds like you have a specific belief about gods in mind.
 
2012-08-15 12:05:10 PM

Farktastic: PsiChick: Rufus Lee King: So, kids can't sing songs with any sort of religious references any more? And a lot of you would support that concept. Crypto-Nazis, take off your masks. I can still see you.

Okay. Let's have them sing This lovely song. It can be sung as a round, and a wonderful commenter added more verses, which means the kids get more than that 'row row row your boat' stuff, which, let's be honest, is just the beginner's version of that hell known as singing rounds:

Ladies spin your circle bright,
Weave your web of dark and light,
Earth, Air, Fire and Water,
Bind us as one.

Maiden spin your circle white,
Weave your web of glowing light,
Stag, hawk, bear and wolf,
Bind us as one.

Mother spin your circle red,
Weave your web of glowing thread,
Earth, Air, Fire and Water,
Bind us as one.

Wise One spin your circle black,
Weave the wisdom that we lack,
Moonlight, sunlight, starlight, shimmer,
Bind us as one.

Beautiful, no? And so educational!

This is magnitudes better than farking "jesus loves me," or that idiot whole world in his hands song. I spent some time listening to some world music I hadn't heard before last week. All easy to play for an elementary student and from an educational standpoint would teach rhythm and music theory so much better than sunday school songs. Plus, kids can play simple instruments like blocks along to the music.

Educators who use sunday school songs instead are being lazy and bigoted.


I don't appreciate you people trying to send my child to hell by exposing him to witchcraft!
 
2012-08-15 12:12:30 PM

Dansker: Why don't you have feelings about things you can't intellectually prove? That doesn't sound quite human.


Dunno what members of H. Sapiens you've had contact with, but that sounds exceedingly human to me...
 
2012-08-15 12:13:42 PM
Farktastic SmartestFunniest 2012-08-15 11:58:44 AM


PsiChick: Rufus Lee King: So, kids can't sing songs with any sort of religious references any more? And a lot of you would support that concept. Crypto-Nazis, take off your masks. I can still see you.

Okay. Let's have them sing This lovely song. It can be sung as a round, and a wonderful commenter added more verses, which means the kids get more than that 'row row row your boat' stuff, which, let's be honest, is just the beginner's version of that hell known as singing rounds:

Ladies spin your circle bright,
Weave your web of dark and light,
Earth, Air, Fire and Water,
Bind us as one.

Maiden spin your circle white,
Weave your web of glowing light,
Stag, hawk, bear and wolf,
Bind us as one.

Mother spin your circle red,
Weave your web of glowing thread,
Earth, Air, Fire and Water,
Bind us as one.

Wise One spin your circle black,
Weave the wisdom that we lack,
Moonlight, sunlight, starlight, shimmer,
Bind us as one.




Funniest thing I've seen today. Thanks!
 
2012-08-15 12:15:20 PM

Dansker: Some things, while leaving me baffled about others.
Why don't you have feelings about things you can't intellectually prove? That doesn't sound quite human.
And why do you keep reducing the question to one supreme being? Sounds like you have a specific belief about gods in mind.


Why don't I have a feeling on the issue of god/gods existence or non-existence? Why am I required to have a feeling on the issue? Let me give you an example of a similar argument. Do you believe in extraterrestrials? Do you find it possible that as vast as the universe is that there may be intelligent life elsewhere in the universe?

Supreme being as a term was a generality...not a specificity.
 
2012-08-15 12:16:43 PM
There's a big difference between singing a choral arrangement in a music class and singing a hymn.

If they sing it in a church, it's a hymn.

/I once signed up for a choir where we sang Hallelujah Chorus. I was once threatened with official punishments for refusing to sing hymns. The two are not the same.

If someone signs up for a history of music course they'll expect to learn religious music, otherwise do not expect to force your religion on me.
 
2012-08-15 12:18:34 PM
There was a time when it was thought holy to write music in 3/4 time because the 3 beats per measure represented the Holy Trinity.

Let's ban all waltzes from public!
 
2012-08-15 12:22:00 PM

meanmutton: When did "think for yourself" start meaning "ignore anyone with a different view"?


I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone use that and mean anything else
 
2012-08-15 12:24:39 PM

SweetRoisinDubh: There was a time when it was thought holy to write music in 3/4 time because the 3 beats per measure represented the Holy Trinity.

Let's ban all waltzes from public!


Screw you, the country waltz is the only dance I've managed to teach my girlfriend.

Mind you, my dancing probably ought to fall under public indecency.
 
2012-08-15 12:27:43 PM
How about the boatload of stupid people who object to God?

Don't start nothin won't be nothin
 
2012-08-15 12:30:00 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: SweetRoisinDubh: There was a time when it was thought holy to write music in 3/4 time because the 3 beats per measure represented the Holy Trinity.

Let's ban all waltzes from public!

Screw you, the country waltz is the only dance I've managed to teach my girlfriend.

Mind you, my dancing probably ought to fall under public indecency.


I was just trying to be silly.

You can dance if you want to...
 
2012-08-15 12:32:13 PM

SweetRoisinDubh: I May Be Crazy But...: SweetRoisinDubh: There was a time when it was thought holy to write music in 3/4 time because the 3 beats per measure represented the Holy Trinity.

Let's ban all waltzes from public!

Screw you, the country waltz is the only dance I've managed to teach my girlfriend.

Mind you, my dancing probably ought to fall under public indecency.

I was just trying to be silly.

You can dance if you want to...


Can I leave my friends behind?

/Put in an apostrophe to get "friend's" and that's a really unfortunate turn of phrase.
 
2012-08-15 12:42:07 PM

SkunkWerks: Dansker: Why don't you have feelings about things you can't intellectually prove? That doesn't sound quite human.

Dunno what members of H. Sapiens you've had contact with, but that sounds exceedingly human to me...


Feelings of religious belief are extremely common. Feeling a lack of belief in gods is rarer, but not uncommon. Some feel that gods are unknowable, but of course they can't prove that.
Most people I've met feel that their parents love them. At least, I have a feeling they do.
Some people feel confident without reason.
Some people always feel bad things are going to happen to them. A few days ago a friend of mine had a feeling about a horse, but he should have ignored that.
I have a feeling I'm out of milk, but I don't know, and I can't prove it where I am right now.
 
2012-08-15 12:44:21 PM
IIRC, we just had a thread a few days ago about Missouri's state constitutional amendment that supports the right of people to pray in government-funded locations, as long as it's voluntary.

IIRC, the Fark reaction ot that was, "what a huge waste of time, nobody's trying to ban religious speech."

And now we have subby assuming it's a slam-dunk that any songs with potentially religious content should obviously be banned from school music classes.

Watching secular humanists is fun.. as long as you can make your head spin fast enough.
 
2012-08-15 12:44:29 PM

Dansker: I have a feeling I'm out of milk, but I don't know, and I can't prove it where I am right now.


There's an app for that.
 
2012-08-15 12:44:48 PM
Well, seeing as your friends don't dance, and if they don't dance, they're no friends of mine...

I think you can do that.

/There should ALWAYS be an apostrophe there.
 
2012-08-15 12:46:37 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: SweetRoisinDubh: I May Be Crazy But...: SweetRoisinDubh: There was a time when it was thought holy to write music in 3/4 time because the 3 beats per measure represented the Holy Trinity.

Let's ban all waltzes from public!

Screw you, the country waltz is the only dance I've managed to teach my girlfriend.

Mind you, my dancing probably ought to fall under public indecency.

I was just trying to be silly.

You can dance if you want to...

Can I leave my friends behind?

/Put in an apostrophe to get "friend's" and that's a really unfortunate turn of phrase.


Damn. Posted this twice because I didn't reply to you the first time:

Well, seeing as your friends don't dance, and if they don't dance, they're no friends of mine...

I think you can do that.

/There should ALWAYS be an apostrophe there.
 
2012-08-15 01:05:12 PM
Fox News link? Pass.
 
2012-08-15 01:29:37 PM

yingtong: IIRC, we just had a thread a few days ago about Missouri's state constitutional amendment that supports the right of people to pray in government-funded locations, as long as it's voluntary.

IIRC, the Fark reaction ot that was, "what a huge waste of time, nobody's trying to ban religious speech."

And now we have subby assuming it's a slam-dunk that any songs with potentially religious content should obviously be banned from school music classes.

Watching secular humanists is fun.. as long as you can make your head spin fast enough.


IIR, the objection to the Missouri state constitutional amendment was that it was using tax payer money to promote a religion.

IIR, the objection to singing religious songs in school if that it is using taxpayer money to promote a religion.

Watching secular humanists must be boring sing they are so consistent.
 
jvl
2012-08-15 01:35:02 PM

StoPPeRmobile: [www.whydontyou.org.uk image 350x262]


Oh look, it's the anti-Christian "help help we're being oppressed" thing again.

According to your logic, because Shia are the majority in Iraq, Saddam Hussein and the Sunni couldn't possibly have oppressed them, right?
 
2012-08-15 01:35:07 PM

slayer199: Dansker: Why don't you have feelings about things you can't intellectually prove?

Why don't I have a feeling on the issue of god/gods existence or non-existence?


No,what I'm asking is why does your lack of proof about a subject rule out feelings on the subject?
But it's kinda moot, because you already admitted that you don't feel belief in gods, remember: "Do you believe in a supreme being? [...] based on my current knowledge the answer is no"
So welcome out of the closet and into the Atheist community. Just kidding, we don't have a community.


Why am I required to have a feeling on the issue?

You're not, but I believe you do, like you probably do about a lot of things, you can't intellectually prove
How do you feel about my claim to have solid proof concerning the existence of gods?

Let me give you an example of a similar argument. Do you believe in extraterrestrials?

Yes. I don't know that it's true, and I can't prove it, but it's a big universe, and I feel that there is probably life somewhere else. It could even be quite common.
Do you?

Do you find it possible that as vast as the universe is that there may be intelligent life elsewhere in the universe?

Yes, of course, I already said! Tsk, you never listen.
That was easy, what did you prove?


Supreme being as a term was a generality...not a specificity.

Yeah, I mean why do you keep reducing it to singular? I'm probably just splitting hairs.
 
2012-08-15 01:41:27 PM

jvl: According to your logic, because Shia are the majority in Iraq, Saddam Hussein and the Sunni couldn't possibly have oppressed them, right?


According to your logic, it'd be perfectly okay do do so because they're the majority.

In other news: you made this too easy.
 
2012-08-15 01:42:47 PM

SkunkWerks: jvl: According to your logic, because Shia are the majority in Iraq, Saddam Hussein and the Sunni couldn't possibly have oppressed them, right?

According to your logic, it'd be perfectly okay do do so because they're the majority.

In other news: you made this too easy.


Okay, maybe not that easy. Just substitute "power" for "majority" and we're still in business.
 
2012-08-15 01:50:59 PM

jvl: StoPPeRmobile: [www.whydontyou.org.uk image 350x262]

Oh look, it's the anti-Christian "help help we're being oppressed" thing again.

According to your logic, because Shia are the majority in Iraq, Saddam Hussein and the Sunni couldn't possibly have oppressed them, right?


Sure, since we're ruled by a dictator giving commands to bands of murdering thugs, you have a fair point.

As long as we're talking about completely different things, did you also know that there were a whole lot more peasants than nobles in the middle ages?
 
2012-08-15 02:05:29 PM

Dansker: So for Bach, you've got what, the Brandenberg Concertos and that's it?

No, are you freaking kidding me? All his concertos, hundreds of opuses for lute, cello, string quartets... You know I'm talking about Johann Sebastian, right?


Of his 50 year career, Bach spent 6 of them not employed by the Church. The majority of his body of work was commissioned by the dominant religious authority in Europe. It may not have lyrics, but most of Bach's output was ecclesiastical.

And the Catholic Church loves it some finale to the 9th Symphony.
 
2012-08-15 02:07:38 PM

Ryan2065:
They took a well known prayer that isn't generally a song, found a version with music, and are teaching that instead of teaching any number of other traditional children's songs. It is pretty clear what the intent is.


Context, sir. Context. I went to a public high school in the early 90's with an amazing music program. We did almost nothing but religious music. Rutter's Gloria, Bach's Christ Lag in Todesbanden, The Gospel Mass, Walton's Coronation Te Deum, Mozart's Requiem and a host of Spirituals. It was almost exclusively religious music in a Public High School. Without being in the room or hearing the context you can CLEARLY see that there was some kind of indoctrination of our young.... Except there wasn't. It was simply because that was the best music for our program.

So unless you can find something that says that there were religious lessons going on (and having gone to a Catholic grade school for 9 years, I've been in music classes where the music comes with a heaping dose of proselytizing)then how bout you just settle down. It's hard enough getting music taught in public schools. Let's not let them use this as an excuse to defund it any further with a "this is why you can't have nice things" wag of the finger.
 
2012-08-15 02:14:28 PM
sorry can't support the school here other songs could be used for the purpose those songs are being used for.
 
2012-08-15 02:23:12 PM

edip1976: Context, sir. Context. I went to a public high school in the early 90's with an amazing music program. We did almost nothing but religious music. Rutter's Gloria, Bach's Christ Lag in Todesbanden, The Gospel Mass, Walton's Coronation Te Deum, Mozart's Requiem and a host of Spirituals.


Context, sir. Context. This is not Bach in high school. This is "Now I Lay Me Down To Sleep" in elementary school. Let 'em sing "The Inky-Dinky Spider," it'd teach 'em the same thing. (Minus the religious bit, of course.)
 
2012-08-15 02:23:21 PM

This text is now purple: Dansker: So for Bach, you've got what, the Brandenberg Concertos and that's it?

No, are you freaking kidding me? All his concertos, hundreds of opuses for lute, cello, string quartets... You know I'm talking about Johann Sebastian, right?

Of his 50 year career, Bach spent 6 of them not employed by the Church. The majority of his body of work was commissioned by the dominant religious authority in Europe. It may not have lyrics, but most of Bach's output was ecclesiastical.


He wrote hundreds and hundreds of works that have absolutely no religious reference. You're grasping at straws, and your original comment was that all music from the Baroque era (you know, they held a lot of dance parties back then), all Bach, Beethoven, Handel and Mozert is religious. It was a dumb thing to say. But it's okay, we all make mistakes.

And the Catholic Church loves it some finale to the 9th Symphony.

Everybody does.
 
2012-08-15 02:27:21 PM

yingtong: IIRC, we just had a thread a few days ago about Missouri's state constitutional amendment that supports the right of people to pray in government-funded locations, as long as it's voluntary.

IIRC, the Fark reaction ot that was, "what a huge waste of time, nobody's trying to ban religious speech."

And now we have subby assuming it's a slam-dunk that any songs with potentially religious content should obviously be banned from school music classes.

Watching secular humanists is fun.. as long as you can make your head spin fast enough.


Here's the two big differences: pray time in a public building isn't directly paid for by the state, music class in public elementary school is.

Praying in a government building is voluntary. No one is telling you to pray, nor are they stopping you from doing it. Having kids sing songs about your particular religion in class is not. Kids are expected to participate.

If you need these two things explained, perhaps you should take some elementary classes, you might get to live this problem first hand.
 
2012-08-15 02:47:16 PM

Mr. Right: The Freedom From Religion Foundation would have absolutely no problem if school children were singing about Allah.


Presumably so. Remarkably, that would be something on which they and the faux news crowd could agree, as it's safe to assume that the latter would maintain their "historical material" stance in that scenario.
 
2012-08-15 02:50:02 PM
Substitute "music education" for "historical."

I'm John Smith.

Also, Happy Holidays, everyone!
 
2012-08-15 03:08:21 PM

Proteios1: I'm ok with a big bunch of bullies...I mean lawyers threatening these nearly bankrupt school districts to purge even the slightest Christian reference and all non commercial holidays and events. I think big money from outside groups or even out of state groups should constantly threaten schools, those who run it and those vile teachers to conform, go bankrupt or get out!


That's just stupid talking, there. If they were following the law, there would be no issue. If they didn't insist on NOT following the law, there would be no issue.

You know what Christian privilege sounds like? It sounds exactly like what you just said.
 
2012-08-15 03:08:52 PM
Merry Happyday. Who's John Smith?
 
2012-08-15 03:17:22 PM

Dansker: Merry Happyday. Who's John Smith?


Old Simpsons reference, from one of the Treehouse of Horrors episodes. The two zombies going to their respective graves, one John Smith getting into another John Smith's.

(Paraphrased)
Zombie John Smith I: "Excuse me, I'm John Smith."
ZJS II: "John Smith 1884?"
ZJS I: "My mistake!"

(I was just saying I screwed that post up. "My mistake!")

/Old
 
2012-08-15 03:21:56 PM

ten foiled hats: Dansker: Merry Happyday. Who's John Smith?

Old Simpsons reference, from one of the Treehouse of Horrors episodes. The two zombies going to their respective graves, one John Smith getting into another John Smith's.

(Paraphrased)
Zombie John Smith I: "Excuse me, I'm John Smith."
ZJS II: "John Smith 1884?"
ZJS I: "My mistake!"

(I was just saying I screwed that post up. "My mistake!")

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Ah, I remember, and I get it.

/onions, belt
 
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