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2012-08-15 07:51:27 AM
Lawyers love me this I know.
their accountants tell me so.
Stupid ones that like to baiotch
end up poor but they are rich.

Yes, lawyers love me.
Yes, lawyers love me.
Yes, lawyers love me.
Their accountants told me so.
 
2012-08-15 07:51:44 AM

NetOwl:
Actually, since you go to school to learn stuff about the world.


I think I see your problem.
 
2012-08-15 07:52:13 AM

MythDragon: Atheists can be just as bad as Christians. They both try and shove doctrine down your throat. Agnostics on the other hand are like "meh." and leave people in peace.


I haven't met an ideology of any sort that's incapable of self-righteousness- particularly when you know which buttons to press.

Feel free to pick your favorites. Just realize that they are in fact, your favorites.
 
2012-08-15 07:53:11 AM

MythDragon: It's predatory to conduct this toward a young, captive audience who would be truant if they didn't attend public school

But songs about how much you love the country, Obama, your school, your sports team, or songs about a man being eaten by a boa constrictor while he describes the painful process in exacting detail (♫I'm being eaten by a boa constrictor and I don't like one bit! Oh no, he's eaten my toe, Oh gee, it's up to my knee♪ - I remember singing this in 2nd grade) is okay?

I'm not overly religious. I haven't been to church in 25 years. But I really see no problem with religious songs. Some are really quite good. Like Hallelujah by Jeff Buckley. It's a really sweet song. As long as you do a variety, who cares if you have a couple religious songs in there? If you are approaching it simply from a musical standpoint, there is no indoctrination going on. In English Lit in 12th grade we looked at some stories from the bible. It wasn't presented as 'you must believe this' it was done strictly from a literary perspective. No one freaked out. One day we were reading about some guy building an ark to save his family from a flood, the next we read about some guy taking ten years to get home after ransacking Troy and meeting hooking up with some sea goddess.

Atheists can be just as bad as Christians. They both try and shove doctrine down your throat. Agnostics on the other hand are like "meh." and leave people in peace.

School says to kids "God created everything and if you don't believe that yo will go to hell" = wrong.
School says to kids "Today we have a song about this hippy who could walk on water and magic up some fish chowder" = okay.

Fundies on both sides, give it a damn rest.


Silence, you. Your rational common sense does not benefit the political agendas of either group, making you more threatening then they are to each other.
 
2012-08-15 07:53:21 AM
Religious music isn't popular in my house for the same reason Wagner isn't popular in Israel: the body count. There is no painting of real beauty done in blood.

/Piss Christ, OTOH
 
2012-08-15 07:54:01 AM

kid_icarus: Silence, you. Your rational common sense does not benefit the political agendas of either group, making you more threatening then they are to each other.


THIS
 
2012-08-15 07:54:08 AM
Guess you missed the part of American History where both prayer and the Bible were the school norm, not the exception.

Muta
I agree but with that said...
had religious nutbags not been fighting tooth and nail to get prayer into schools people would be less skeptical about the motives behind singing songs with religious themes in schools.
 
2012-08-15 07:55:08 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: America is not a historically Muslim country. You'd have to inject songs that have never been remotely part of American culture


I have two issues with that statement.

1) Again... It'd be cool for a school chorus to cover "Blues for Allah".

2) We live in a global environment. For a student to succeed in a career, he'll have to interact with people from China, India, Bahrain, Japan, Germany and probably a half dozen other countries. I agree it is important for American students to learn about American culture. It is just as import (if not more so) for students to be exposed to and learn about other cultures. To exclude music and other forms of art from a curriculum because it isn't "American Enough" is ignorant.
 
2012-08-15 07:55:10 AM

kid_icarus: The possibly-religious songs include "Thank You for the World So Sweet," which says "Thank you God for everything," "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep," which says "I pray the Lord my soul to keep," "Michael Row your Boat Ashore" and "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands."

Well, to be fair, "Enter Sandman" has those lyrics, too.


All 3 of those are fairly simple choral arrangements that kids can sing. Not too much range and with a repetitive pattern meaning there isn't that much to memorize.

Like others have pointed out. If you want any kind of traditional choral arrangement that kids can sing it is probably a religious song (or a song somehow tied to religion like Christmas carols) from some point in history.

Seriously speaking, if you are trying to teach royalty free choral songs to kids how many non religious options do you have? Thanks to modern copyright law the songs have to be the better part of a century old or more if you don't want to pay all kinds of stupid fees on them. Given how pitifully underfunded most school music programs are what are they supposed to do?
 
2012-08-15 07:56:08 AM

Rufus Lee King: Guys and gals, people are entitled to believe whatever they choose to believe.


reverent.org
That is preposterous!
 
2012-08-15 07:57:52 AM

BrassArt: Guess you missed the part of American History where both prayer and the Bible were the school norm, not the exception.


There was a part in American History where Slavery was part of the labor norm.

Not sure this makes such a good argument for continuing it into the present though. Certainly not on it's own merits.
 
2012-08-15 07:58:53 AM

fusillade762: So are they going to require reading the bible as a historical document next?

Actually that might be fun.


You know, if i were a history teacher in the south, and they required me to use the bible as a historic reference, i would...

I would go in and mark each section that would be considered recorded history, bypassing anything supernatural, just going off bible accounts of kings, wars, etc...

I would earmark each section

Once that is done, i would issue each student an earmarked bible and a real history book and make each student write a report.

Section A: compare and contrast the bible's historic anecdotes, with real historical accounts

Section B: hypothesize as to why there are differences between the bible and history text books

Section C: Which version of history is credible and why?

Section D (Extra Credit*): Given the bible's accuracy about history, what does that say about its mythology?

*this is just for the troll
 
2012-08-15 07:58:54 AM

Hacker_X: kid_icarus: The possibly-religious songs include "Thank You for the World So Sweet," which says "Thank you God for everything," "Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep," which says "I pray the Lord my soul to keep," "Michael Row your Boat Ashore" and "He's Got the Whole World in His Hands."

Well, to be fair, "Enter Sandman" has those lyrics, too.

All 3 of those are fairly simple choral arrangements that kids can sing. Not too much range and with a repetitive pattern meaning there isn't that much to memorize.

Like others have pointed out. If you want any kind of traditional choral arrangement that kids can sing it is probably a religious song (or a song somehow tied to religion like Christmas carols) from some point in history.

Seriously speaking, if you are trying to teach royalty free choral songs to kids how many non religious options do you have? Thanks to modern copyright law the songs have to be the better part of a century old or more if you don't want to pay all kinds of stupid fees on them. Given how pitifully underfunded most school music programs are what are they supposed to do?


That's how they get ya?
 
2012-08-15 07:59:41 AM

Muta: 1) Again... It'd be cool for a school chorus to cover "Blues for Allah".


You know, there is a reason Dead fans need to be loaded on drugs to listen to that crap. And how exactly does a school choir properly cover Garcia noodling away on an untuned guitar for 45 minutes?

/hate the Dead
//they insist upon themselves
 
2012-08-15 08:02:03 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: Rufus Lee King: Guys and gals, people are entitled to believe whatever they choose to believe.

[reverent.org image 350x300]
That is preposterous!


Just noticed: Hitler had lady fingers. Grandad always told me: if they spend more time on their hair than a woman or their hands make you horny, don't trust 'em.
 
2012-08-15 08:03:08 AM

Charlie Freak: I work at a music store that is in the middle of hosting our annual new music reading clinic, and this came up in today's session, so I'm getting a big kick...

For whatever it's worth, I'm agnostic and it bothers me when a song sung in a school choir can't mention Jesus or even Santa (and many can't). There are LOADS of wonderful, historic works that get tossed completely aside and it does nothing to further music.

I think I've disagreed with Ignite Ice on things in the past, but in this case, I have to agree. There is too much that gets thrown out to the detriment of the student's education.

It's art, it's history, and it's important - lighten the fark up.


Very much this. I'm also an agnostic (of course the atheists will end up hating more on us than the religious folk) and I don't have a problem with music that may have a religious theme. A LOT of music has religious overtones but that doesn't mean it's any less important as music.

So long as there isn't a religious message being taught with the songs, I have no problem with it. It's part of our music history (maybe a disclaimer should be announced beforehand).

gimmegimme: Maybe they're performing the John Cage arrangement.


Or Metallica.
 
2012-08-15 08:03:42 AM

meanmutton: Are we going to ban religious art from study in art history classes, too?


It is a slippery slope. I can see this happening. Banning practically the entire Renaissance because some idiot can't understand the difference between art and religious indoctrination.

And, frankly, that is what these songs are. Art. Or at least, a way to teach art. In this case, music. Yes, there is religious roots but the religious roots are used in a music class as much as Leonardo's Last Supper is used a religious tool in art class. In other words, none.

This is a case of freedom of expression versus the separation of church and state.

And it's waste of time and money because in the end, if the school can prove that the songs were used as examples of music and nothing else, which should be easy to do, no way will the other side win.
 
2012-08-15 08:04:06 AM
Barack, Hussein, Obama.... ya ya ya!
 
2012-08-15 08:05:51 AM

BrassArt: Guess you missed the part of American History where both prayer and the Bible were the school norm, not the exception.


At one time, people believed the world was flat. Should Flat Earthism be taught in school today simply because a lot of people once thought it was right?
 
2012-08-15 08:06:09 AM
"Oh Lord, please don't burn us/Don't grill or toast your flock/Don't put us on the barbecue/Or simmer us in stock/Don't braise or bake or boil us/Or stir-fry us in a wok/Oh please don't lightly poach us/Or baste us with hot fat/Don't fricassee or roast us/Or boil us in a vat/And please don't stick thy servants Lord/In a Rotiss-o-mat."

/not remotely obscure
 
2012-08-15 08:06:26 AM
Thanks a lot, thread. I started thinking about secular music from the baroque period, and because of my childhood circumstances, my mind skipped over the good stuff and went directly to Vivaldi. Now I've got that concerto for two cellos running through my head, and it won't leave.

I love everything baroque, but I sometimes wonder if Vivaldi, in particular, can scar someone.
 
2012-08-15 08:06:32 AM

Man On Pink Corner: (Shrug) All they have to do is include songs from other faiths. But you know what? Something tells me that ain't happenin'.


It does at my daughter's school. They sing Jewish songs and Christian songs. And I'd rather that than when they sing "It's my party and I'll cry if I want to". That is an assault on the ears.
 
2012-08-15 08:09:27 AM

Mr. Right: The Freedom From Religion Foundation is a radical group of the same ilk as PETA. They fabricate offense where none exists. They would have us believe that a child singing the word God is predatory and will ruin the child.


Substitute Allah for God and give that one a whirl.
 
2012-08-15 08:09:32 AM

mutterfark: "Oh Lord, please don't burn us/Don't grill or toast your flock/Don't put us on the barbecue/Or simmer us in stock/Don't braise or bake or boil us/Or stir-fry us in a wok/Oh please don't lightly poach us/Or baste us with hot fat/Don't fricassee or roast us/Or boil us in a vat/And please don't stick thy servants Lord/In a Rotiss-o-mat."

/not remotely obscure


I wonder if anyone also remembers "You Can't Get to Heaven in an Electric Chair"?
 
2012-08-15 08:11:16 AM

Thunderpipes: Barack, Hussein, Obama.... ya ya ya!


Remember when they had kids in school singing songs about him? Those were good times... good times.
 
2012-08-15 08:12:02 AM

Jim_Callahan: Has this changed since the late 80s/early 90s? I was a public school kid and we listened to/sang rap and pop stuff pretty regularly. Nothing with overwhelming streams of obscenity since we had to use radio edits of everything, but still, it was represented.

Should I be cracking jokes about the pussification of America continuing?


We didn't have 'radio edits' when I was growing up. I got to hear Steve Miller lament on the radio about getting caught up in that 'funky shiat going down in the city' instead of getting caught in the 'funky kicks'. The pussification of America sucks.
 
2012-08-15 08:13:08 AM

Gramma: It does at my daughter's school. They sing Jewish songs and Christian songs.


Diverse.
 
2012-08-15 08:18:36 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: Religious music isn't popular in my house for the same reason Wagner isn't popular in Israel: the body count. There is no painting of real beauty done in blood.

/Piss Christ, OTOH


Music is art. Avoiding religious music cuts you off from some of the most beautiful pieces of classical music, obviously all spirituals and gospel, and lots of contemporary works like Bowie's "Word On a Wing".
 
2012-08-15 08:20:13 AM
We sang the entire Hallelujah chorus one year for xmas (public high school). It was very pretty, but kind of weirded me out. I mean...

"Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
For the Lord God Omnipotent reigneth.
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!

For the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!

The kingdom of this world
Is become the kingdom of our Lord,
And of His Christ, and of His Christ;
And He shall reign for ever and ever,
For ever and ever, forever and ever,

King of kings, and Lord of lords,
King of kings, and Lord of lords,
And Lord of lords,
And He shall reign,
And He shall reign forever and ever,
King of kings, forever and ever,
And Lord of lords,
Hallelujah! Hallelujah!"
 
2012-08-15 08:22:40 AM

ignite ice: I implore people with an open mind to read the article. The songs are being used as historical references. It's up to each individual student to decide how and what they take away from each song. Students are not being encouraged to interpret any of the songs as having religious meaning. They may have religious symbols of religious connotations in the lyrics, but they won't have a religious meaning to someone who isn't religious. I wish they did, but you don't see me writing to schools asking them to remove non-religious songs. Atheism failing to see the double standard here and I'm not surprised.


I read this and expected to read about militant atheists getting upset about songs that were in no way religious. I grew up in a religious household and these songs were always considered religious. He's got the whole world in his hands was one of the first songs we learned as kids at sunday school. If my kid went to this school I would be pissed.
 
2012-08-15 08:23:30 AM

MythDragon: It's predatory to conduct this toward a young, captive audience who would be truant if they didn't attend public school

But songs about how much you love the country, Obama, your school, your sports team, or songs about a man being eaten by a boa constrictor while he describes the painful process in exacting detail (♫I'm being eaten by a boa constrictor and I don't like one bit! Oh no, he's eaten my toe, Oh gee, it's up to my knee♪ - I remember singing this in 2nd grade) is okay?

I'm not overly religious. I haven't been to church in 25 years. But I really see no problem with religious songs. Some are really quite good. Like Hallelujah by Jeff Buckley. It's a really sweet song. As long as you do a variety, who cares if you have a couple religious songs in there? If you are approaching it simply from a musical standpoint, there is no indoctrination going on. In English Lit in 12th grade we looked at some stories from the bible. It wasn't presented as 'you must believe this' it was done strictly from a literary perspective. No one freaked out. One day we were reading about some guy building an ark to save his family from a flood, the next we read about some guy taking ten years to get home after ransacking Troy and meeting hooking up with some sea goddess.

Atheists can be just as bad as Christians. They both try and shove doctrine down your throat. Agnostics on the other hand are like "meh." and leave people in peace.

School says to kids "God created everything and if you don't believe that yo will go to hell" = wrong.
School says to kids "Today we have a song about this hippy who could walk on water and magic up some fish chowder" = okay.

Fundies on both sides, give it a damn rest.


That's a pretty derpy statement, as neither one of those is acceptable in public schools.
 
2012-08-15 08:29:31 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: You know, there is a reason Dead fans need to be loaded on drugs to listen to that crap


Blues for Allah.

Arabian wind, the needle's eye is thin
The ships of state sail on mirage and drown in sand
Out in no man's land, where Allah does command
What good is spilling blood? It will not grow a thing
"Taste eternity", the swords sing
Blues for Allah, Insh'Allah

They lie where they fall, there's nothing more to say
The desert stars are bright tonight, let's meet as friends
The flower of Islam, the fruit of Abraham
The thousand stories have come round to one again

Arabian night, our gods pursue their flight
What fatal flowers of darkness bloom from seeds of light
Bird of Paradise fly in the white sky
Blues for Allah, Insh'Allah
Let's see with our heart these things our eyes have seen
And know the truth must still lie somewhere in between

These lyrics are better without drugs since you'd miss some great symbolism and literary allusions.
The song uses an interesting scale and time signature. It is a very accessible song that can introduce students to this type of music.
 
2012-08-15 08:29:35 AM

Rufus Lee King: No one can say anything any more! I COMMAND IT!!! FARK will be shut down now. I say so.


Anything.
 
2012-08-15 08:34:17 AM

slayer199: I'm also an agnostic (of course the atheists will end up hating more on us than the religious folk)


Since you bring it up, I just think you people are intellectually lazy and emotionally dishonest to yourselves, avoiding questions of belief with non sequiturs about proof. Otherwise fine people in general.
But nice bit of parenthetical, passive-aggressive self-victimization there.
 
2012-08-15 08:36:19 AM
This would never stand a chance with the Supreme Court. They [FFRF] wants to censor the expressions of Christianity -- and they only go after the Christians, not the Jews or the Muslims.

I don't know, I remember when they went after that one school for singing "Achmed Row The Dhow Ashore"
 
2012-08-15 08:39:37 AM

Muta: Captain_Ballbeard: You know, there is a reason Dead fans need to be loaded on drugs to listen to that crap

Blues for Allah.

Arabian wind, the needle's eye is thin
The ships of state sail on mirage and drown in sand
Out in no man's land, where Allah does command
What good is spilling blood? It will not grow a thing
"Taste eternity", the swords sing
Blues for Allah, Insh'Allah

They lie where they fall, there's nothing more to say
The desert stars are bright tonight, let's meet as friends
The flower of Islam, the fruit of Abraham
The thousand stories have come round to one again

Arabian night, our gods pursue their flight
What fatal flowers of darkness bloom from seeds of light
Bird of Paradise fly in the white sky
Blues for Allah, Insh'Allah
Let's see with our heart these things our eyes have seen
And know the truth must still lie somewhere in between

These lyrics are better without drugs since you'd miss some great symbolism and literary allusions.
The song uses an interesting scale and time signature. It is a very accessible song that can introduce students to this type of music.


What "type" of music? Druggies with minimal skills on their instruments, masturbating musically?
 
2012-08-15 08:39:55 AM
Anything too silly to say is sung - Voltaire.
 
2012-08-15 08:41:35 AM

Generation_D: ignite ice: I implore people with an open mind to read the article. The songs are being used as historical references. It's up to each individual student to decide how and what they take away from each song. Students are not being encouraged to interpret any of the songs as having religious meaning. They may have religious symbols of religious connotations in the lyrics, but they won't have a religious meaning to someone who isn't religious. I wish they did, but you don't see me writing to schools asking them to remove non-religious songs. Atheism failing to see the double standard here and I'm not surprised.

I implore people to shut the hell off FOX NEWS and think for themselves. No matter what, they're lying. Every time.


When did "think for yourself" start meaning "ignore anyone with a different view"?
 
2012-08-15 08:43:47 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: Muta: These lyrics are better without drugs since you'd miss some great symbolism and literary allusions.
The song uses an interesting scale and time signature. It is a very accessible song that can introduce students to this type of music.

What "type" of music? Druggies with minimal skills on their instruments, masturbating musically?


Music with time signatures other than 4/4 and scale other than a chromatic scale. There is more to music than the Dustin Bieber stuff you listen to. Sad you were never exposed to it.
 
2012-08-15 08:45:50 AM

fusillade762: So are they going to require reading the bible as a historical document next?

Actually that might be fun.


We read Job in high school as a literary text. I didn't find it much of an indoctrination. The story of Cain and Abel is as much of an indoctrination as the story of Hercules.
 
2012-08-15 08:47:51 AM

editorial_distractions: We sang the entire Hallelujah chorus one year for xmas (public high school). It was very pretty, but kind of weirded me out. I mean...

(. . .)

King of kings, and Lord of lords,
King of kings, and Lord of lords,
And Lord of lords,
And He shall reign,
And He shall reign forever and ever,
King of kings, forever and ever,
And Lord of lords,
Hallelujah! Hallelujah!"


How repetitious and boring. Is this *really* the best Christian music has to offer? It should be excluded not because of the Christian theme but due to its lack of musical merit.
 
2012-08-15 08:50:04 AM
If it were truly unbiased, the demographic of people standing up for this cause would share the national average percentages of christians and other religions. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess 99% or more are christian (which is obviously not the average) and that in itself proves the cause is not neutral, and by extension, neither are the songs and they all know it. Who do they think they're kidding?
 
2012-08-15 08:50:33 AM

I sound fat:
Where is the specific diety you speak of? Couldnt they be talking about Lord Obama himself?



More likely The Lord Ruler.
 
2012-08-15 08:50:43 AM
FTFA

""This would never stand a chance with the Supreme Court. They [FFRF] wants to censor the expressions of Christianity -- and they only go after the Christians, not the Jews or the Muslims. Now they're going after little children over an innocent song," Bill Donohue, president of Catholic League,

Wow, some "Foxworthy" whargarbbll there for sure

Hey Bill ,In the first place no one is "going after the little children" you dick , secondly it seems the that the Jews and Muslims know better than to try and force their religion on children...dick
 
2012-08-15 08:51:49 AM

NetOwl: Debeo Summa Credo: randomjsa: Strange how all of these 'educational' songs never seem to educate kids using songs that promote any other religion except Christianity.

As usual, if it's just about education let's see what happens if we start singing songs about Allah, and watch the reaction.

America is not a historically Muslim country. You'd have to inject songs that have never been remotely part of American culture. And that would be farkin stupid.

Actually, since you go to school to learn stuff about the world, leaning about non-western music wouldn't be so terrible. I don't know enough about it know if a significant portion of music developed in Muslim cultures is secular, though.

I mean, lots of western music is religious, but I had to pick one piece to show off to someone who knew nothing about western music, I'd probably go with something by Beethoven.


I think that the biggest reason you don't hear much Islamic music sung in a choral setting is because it's not easy to sing, especially in a group setting, especially when you're still developing your vocal technique. Western religious music, in general, is where the concept of harmony came from (aside from the droning found in some East Asian music). Yeah, that's a Eurocentric view, but justifying the benefits of group teaching in music pretty much requires that view, at least until later in a child's musical upbringing.
 
2012-08-15 08:53:37 AM

meanmutton: Generation_D: ignite ice: I implore people with an open mind to read the article. The songs are being used as historical references. It's up to each individual student to decide how and what they take away from each song. Students are not being encouraged to interpret any of the songs as having religious meaning. They may have religious symbols of religious connotations in the lyrics, but they won't have a religious meaning to someone who isn't religious. I wish they did, but you don't see me writing to schools asking them to remove non-religious songs. Atheism failing to see the double standard here and I'm not surprised.

I implore people to shut the hell off FOX NEWS and think for themselves. No matter what, they're lying. Every time.

When did "think for yourself" start meaning "ignore anyone with a different view"?


You don't understand the moral to The Boy Who Cried Wolf, do you? There's only so many hours in the day so why waste it on "news" that has historically shown itself so often to be incomplete, biased and sometimes just plain wrong. Even the choice of which stories to run points towards a blatant and obvious agenda.
 
2012-08-15 08:55:25 AM

Muta: Captain_Ballbeard: Muta: These lyrics are better without drugs since you'd miss some great symbolism and literary allusions.
The song uses an interesting scale and time signature. It is a very accessible song that can introduce students to this type of music.

What "type" of music? Druggies with minimal skills on their instruments, masturbating musically?

Music with time signatures other than 4/4 and scale other than a chromatic scale. There is more to music than the Dustin Bieber stuff you listen to. Sad you were never exposed to it.


I didn't know that, as a Rush fan.

12:5 FTW
 
2012-08-15 08:57:03 AM

I sound fat: Where is the specific diety you speak of? Couldnt they be talking about Lord Obama himself?


"Lord Obama"? Wow, is it 2008 again? Anyone else notice that the only people who ever referred to Obama in religious terms (savior, lord, your god) were conservatives? I guess on some level they must really believe it.
 
2012-08-15 08:58:10 AM
Free speech... unless it ofends the ACLU. Still not seeing congress making any laws pertainig to this so what is the violation?
 
2012-08-15 09:00:07 AM
My friend is an elementary school music teacher. I went to her winter concert a few years back (she had just started teaching). They weren't allowed to do any religious songs or traditional christmas songs. They weren't even allowed to do Jingle Bells which sounds to me like it is just about running around in the snow.

They did this generic song about sledding and she told me she was worried they might get complaints because that was really pushing it. The reason they couldn't do any remotely winter songs wasn't atheists but Christian Scientists I think...
 
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